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Originally Posted by Dowadudda

what is the ARCA acronym stand for, and what is the difference?

It's ARCA/MCA I think it stands for "Airconditioning, Refrigeration and Mechanical Contractors Association"

I'm new to the UA, so I'm not 100% sure, but I believe they operate as a party that writes the "collective bargaining agreement" between the company's & the UA.

Your company can either use their contract, or write their own.

They told my buddy they would call him in 30 days.

They did, and offered him a little over a $7 cut

Hill is in the process of learning that there is a shortage of qualified competent mechanics. And if they want a guy with 1/2 a brain, they are going to need to pay up.

My worry with Hill is they are going towards operating like Source.

It's a race to the bottom

The service manager told me the same thing!! Sounds like it's a polite way of saying "we will pass"... Oh well we have decided to stay up north anyways!

what is the ARCA acronym stand for, and what is the difference?

Originally Posted by Phase Loss

good luck!

hopefully they don't tell you to give them 30 days to figure things out?

Now I know what the heck you're talking about....I just heard that story.

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

If California labor law says Double Time after 12 Hrs, then that supersedes you CBA. Double Time on Holiday Days and Sundays are different than Double Time in excess of 12 Hrs worked.

The local union halls, representatives, handbooks, etc. All imply that the CBA supercedes california law by stating that you only get double time on holidays or Sundays if you're under the ARCA agreement. Those of us that worked under the same agreement that the steamfitters worked under (at least in Local 230 San Diego) got DT at 10 hours, any Sunday, any holiday, any time we were called out after hours if we had already returned home after an 8 hour shift...

That double time was the excuse my last union employer used to lay me off after they hired a couple local 250 ARCA guys from up north and I wouldn't agree to switch to the ARCA agreement back when Local 230 had zero ARCA journeymen and the pay scale difference between the two agreements was roughly $10/hour...

If California labor law says Double Time after 12 Hrs, then that supersedes you CBA. Double Time on Holiday Days and Sundays are different than Double Time in excess of 12 Hrs worked.

Originally Posted by Icanfixitall

I did my interview with Hill Phoenix, waiting to hear!

good luck!

hopefully they don't tell you to give them 30 days to figure things out?

I did my interview with Hill Phoenix, waiting to hear!

Working under the ARCA agreement?

Originally Posted by jackintheboxtec

In california after 12 hours in a day it's double time.

Not for me or Flanders

In california after 12 hours in a day it's double time.

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

How does Source pay DT?

After 12 hours worked in a day.

How does Source pay DT?

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

Do you guys go into DoubleTime after 12 Hrs.?

If you mean me, no

The only double time we see is holidays and "new"construction on Sundays.

Source gets all kinds of DT....that's one thing I miss .

Do you guys go into DoubleTime after 12 Hrs.?

Originally Posted by Icanfixitall

What really gets me is when a non union tech comes into the union and gets his journeyman card with little to no effort... This has nothing to do with phase loss. The standard should be they have to take the UA apprentice test as well as the UA STAR exam. Most of the new Journeyman all have to do it but why shouldn't they?? If a guy comes from non union I'm all for it, thats just making our union stronger, but they should have to do the same as the other journeyman do..

I came from non union side 10+ years ago. When I came over , they asked others in the trade about me, I spoke with the people hiring me,and blamo,I became a "journeyman" (whatever that means)

I never went through the union schooling.I know many that have also worked around it as I have. Some of these guys are the best in the trade. I know guys that are union for life that are awesome, I know lifers that are dumb ass hell.

Just because you spend time in a room with another guy talking to you , means NOTHING.

Not everyone takes the same path from A-B , but when we arrive , it's all the same. We all pay our dues in different ways. ( I know , I payed mine)

Being a tech union/non-union and learning in the field, could be argued, is a better way to learn.

Can't we all just get along? SoCal HP is the best ever,the rest suck(flame suit on)

That Phaseloss is a slippery one

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

So Hillphoenix is Union in CA?

Yup

So Hillphoenix is Union in CA? I was told that they're non-Union here. Guys at Source (and even non-Union Hussmann here) tend to compare their 60 Hrs paychecks to 40 Hrs Union shops paychecks. Of course, the 60 is higher, but the Union shops are about $5/Hr higher. I'd rather work for a Union shop at 40 Hrs with two pensions and health & welfare paid for. I'm not going to complain about paying membership dues and working dues because it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Icanfixitall

What really gets me is when a non union tech comes into the union and gets his journeyman card with little to no effort... This has nothing to do with phase loss. The standard should be they have to take the UA apprentice test as well as the UA STAR exam. Most of the new Journeyman all have to do it but why shouldn't they?? If a guy comes from non union I'm all for it, thats just making our union stronger, but they should have to do the same as the other journeyman do..

When I joined Local 230 down here in San Diego, I had a year to take the same test that an apprentice does when he turns out in order to keep my journeyman card.