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Originally Posted by leakcheck

Any chance anyone could send me the pctool and pin out for sm2 controllers please?
Also I have a jace integration that I have a sm2 htp controller that all its sensors (t-30's) are all reading 10 degrees low. Is there a calibration or offset in the controller?
I am very tridium literate, just have not played with staefa controllers. Was wondering if an itegration is done into a jace, do they controllers retain any logic or must it all be written in the jace? It seems that every controller integrated into the jace on this site has alot of wiresheet logic in the jace.

Thanks for any help!

If you're reading 10 degrees off I'd be inclined to think it's one of two things. You're base and gain are wrong for the range module or the action is wrong. T30s are actually pretty linear and a better choice than a 1K IMO but they are no where near as accurate as a 10k on a new style controller.

When you calibrate, you essentially adjust your base. If you adjust more than a couple degrees you might want to check the gain and range module.

The control loops or canned application in the controllers are retained when you integrate. You'll be able to pull the set points out and link right to them.


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Could I also get that Staefa Tool aswell?

Any chance anyone could send me the pctool and pin out for sm2 controllers please?
Also I have a jace integration that I have a sm2 htp controller that all its sensors (t-30's) are all reading 10 degrees low. Is there a calibration or offset in the controller?
I am very tridium literate, just have not played with staefa controllers. Was wondering if an itegration is done into a jace, do they controllers retain any logic or must it all be written in the jace? It seems that every controller integrated into the jace on this site has alot of wiresheet logic in the jace.

Thanks for any help!

Any chance that I could get hold of the Staefa PC Tool Smart II software? Your help is appreciated as we are desperate to interrogate these old controllers.

Thanks!,
BACned

Old Staefa Trunk

Originally Posted by misery94

Any chance I could get the tool for use with Smart II controllers, as well? I am banging my head against the wall trying to figure out a comm problem on a job where we just removed and replaced 2 Smart II controller on a trunk with newer BACnet controllers.

For anyone more experienced with these older controllers, is there anything in particular I should be looking for? I know that the bus is continuous, because Ohmed each segment out. The bus is spliced together in the panel where we did the replacement.

When we first did the job, the first controller on trunk 1 was up at the frontend, but the rest of the floor was offline. I powered that first controller off to take the wires loose and ohm them out to the next panel. When I put it together and powered it back on, the unit came on and ran normally. However, the entire trunk, including this controller that was previously online, was down.

Our local Staefa rep changed a few years ago, and even the previous vendor wasn't really supporting this vintage anymore. I think the new guys support Talon only. Again, any advice and software would be appreciated.

If the trunk is interfaced to a Jace as described above and is spliced thru with the polarity correct you should have 5vdc on the trunk. If you have at least one card talking on the trunk this voltage will vary from 1.5 to 5 vdc. If you have a card locked up on the trunk it will bring the rest of trunk down. You will need to break the trunk down until you find the card that is doing it. You can also just shut all the cards down on the trunk and reset them which could reboot the screamer.
If you have the interface and everything setup proper at the Jace try to power down the interface card. Good Luck
Willys_4

Originally Posted by misery94

Any chance I could get the tool for use with Smart II controllers, as well? I am banging my head against the wall trying to figure out a comm problem on a job where we just removed and replaced 2 Smart II controller on a trunk with newer BACnet controllers.

For anyone more experienced with these older controllers, is there anything in particular I should be looking for? I know that the bus is continuous, because Ohmed each segment out. The bus is spliced together in the panel where we did the replacement.

When we first did the job, the first controller on trunk 1 was up at the frontend, but the rest of the floor was offline. I powered that first controller off to take the wires loose and ohm them out to the next panel. When I put it together and powered it back on, the unit came on and ran normally. However, the entire trunk, including this controller that was previously online, was down.

Our local Staefa rep changed a few years ago, and even the previous vendor wasn't really supporting this vintage anymore. I think the new guys support Talon only. Again, any advice and software would be appreciated.

I am not sure of your trunk structure. You cannot have SM2 and BACnet controllers on the same trunk. In the case of an integration to a JACE you need a staefa SM2 driver for the JACE, a Atkinson 232 to 485 converter, and that goes to a COM port on the JACE.

Smart II Trunk problems.

Any chance I could get the tool for use with Smart II controllers, as well? I am banging my head against the wall trying to figure out a comm problem on a job where we just removed and replaced 2 Smart II controller on a trunk with newer BACnet controllers.

For anyone more experienced with these older controllers, is there anything in particular I should be looking for? I know that the bus is continuous, because Ohmed each segment out. The bus is spliced together in the panel where we did the replacement.

When we first did the job, the first controller on trunk 1 was up at the frontend, but the rest of the floor was offline. I powered that first controller off to take the wires loose and ohm them out to the next panel. When I put it together and powered it back on, the unit came on and ran normally. However, the entire trunk, including this controller that was previously online, was down.

Our local Staefa rep changed a few years ago, and even the previous vendor wasn't really supporting this vintage anymore. I think the new guys support Talon only. Again, any advice and software would be appreciated.

Please email me too! Dealing with Staefa hell

me too please? If you could email it to me that would be amazing...

Dealing with a nasty staefa installation

email is in profile

Crazy NCRS Comm Issue
Since this is the most active thread I figure I will post about this mystery here. We have a Node issue that is this - the node was working fine communicating out through the ethernet to our MS1800 server for years. Suddenly if the ethernet is plugged in it will not scan the trunks and cannot be seen on the server or direct to the IP. We have seen this issue before, danced with OIT, replaced boards, etc until it is magically cured by something OIT does within the building network and they do not tell us the fix. This is a campus, so the guy who fixes it might not be there. We feel that it is a speed or timing issue due to the board behavior, and the fact that it will work via the ethernet jack and scan the trunks if I use a crossover cable and configure my laptop in range. I can see the other field controllers connected via the Lans, populate the graphics on my laptop etc. So it will talk via the ethernet adapter. Spoofing the controllers ip I can get out on the building jack on my laptop, surf the internet and discover network neighbors. The instant I plug the node back in the trunks die and likely there are other issues with the comm as well. Anyone encounter this in a campus network kind of situation?

Jogas,
any chance you get hit me up too?
I need mail.

Staefa Smart II / v3.0 tool.
Does it work over straight RS232? (TX / RX?)

Hi, guys!
Can anyone give-me a copy of PCtool and the cable schematic? I need to talk with a 70 Smart II DDC. Our last handheld was broken and I not able to fix it.
I tried to make a pm to some users to ask in private but i can not find this option on this forum.
Thanks in advanced.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by controlgeek

Thanks for the info. I don't believe there is a front end but will know more on Thursday at a visit. Can someone email me the software and pinout for the cable?

Email is in my profile. TIA.

You've Got Mail.

Thanks for the info. I don't believe there is a front end but will know more on Thursday at a visit. Can someone email me the software and pinout for the cable?

Email is in my profile. TIA.

Originally Posted by controlgeek

Will the pc tool allow me to pull existing logic out to view for an Ax integration? Getting ready to propose on one but havent done one yet. Could someone email me the software and pinout?

Tia

Been a while but...
After connecting to the Card, find the "Archive Button" in the Pulldown Menu's. It'll create a text file (look for the path on the archive screen). This will give you all of the changeable parameters.
We always use a SM2 Driver when we Integrate to SM2's with AX. But I guess it would be feasible if the site didn't have that many cards.

Good Luck.

PC Tool pulls out card level information. If you have Field Controller programming it will not show that. Is there currently a front end on the staefa system - as in MS1800? That is where you could see the programming.

Will the pc tool allow me to pull existing logic out to view for an Ax integration? Getting ready to propose on one but havent done one yet. Could someone email me the software and pinout?

Tia

Originally Posted by she_zams

Are you talking to individual cards or the FC directly? Changes are made to created blocks in MS1800 by modifying or commanding them, and what sort of block it is determines what you can do with it. If talking with PC Tool right to a card you connect then have to be in a temporary change mode or commissioning mode to make changes.

PC tool 1:1 a vav controller on my desk. What mode are you talking about? I'm not familiar with it.

Originally Posted by Papa7

I have a copy of the steafa pc tool, and if I use "FC Connect" I can talk to the controller. But I cannot make any changes.
If I type "Connect" it will timeout. What am I missing? I am using a cable provided by Atkinson.

Are you talking to individual cards or the FC directly? Changes are made to created blocks in MS1800 by modifying or commanding them, and what sort of block it is determines what you can do with it. If talking with PC Tool right to a card you connect then have to be in a temporary change mode or commissioning mode to make changes.

Originally Posted by she_zams

As long as I am back in the thread - does anyone have the bad luck to have SMVUs and if so have you made PC Tool work with them? BTW I have PC Tool ver 4 currently up on a service and can send a few more out within the limits of my free account.

To use PC Tool with SMVUs U need another componet that interfaces with them. Use to have one but since I still have a brick to use I haven't needed.