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The appliance enclosures shall not communicate with the occupiable areas of the building." I am wondering how much it costs to hire a lawyer to interpret "enclosures not communciating" to apply to however the builder wants the system installed. That does not specifically say it has to be outside the dwellling. Hands down Clinton could get around this wording.
Originally posted by bldgcode1 By the way do you have a license to hold up your fingers? Also was the drain hose dropping into the overflow pan for the Water heater? Not an approved sanitary drain or French pit! I took out a permit to hold up one finger. (the longest one). Yes, the drain hose went into the pan, but it's not really an issue because it was a 1/2" kinked garden hose, so it didn't drain. I think maybe the pan dumps straight down through a hole in the ceiling of the shower in the condo downstairs. This allows you to observe the lady below taking a shower. You have to sand off the burrs on the drain hole so you don't leave with a circle around your eye
Don't ask questions from Steve you don't want him to answer. He is very dedicated and good at this business. He is also very serious about it as his chosen profession. By the way do you have a license to hold up your fingers? Just kidding Steve! Also was the drain hose dropping into the overflow pan for the Water heater? Not an approved sanitary drain or French pit!
Yeah, Wiggins is scary. I'm not going to think very hard about anything I don't want people here to know Hey Steve, how many fingers do I have up? Now, let's see if he shows up.
Originally posted by nfury8n i still want to know how steve wiggins knew about the stuck blower relay :P He's being sneeky or he's really good! LOL That was a limited bulletin issued back in 03.
Me too!!!!!
i still want to know how steve wiggins knew about the stuck blower relay :P
Re: What's Wrong Originally posted by selfemployed Nobody said anything until now! LOL! Built 22 years ago. Front of furnace 2" from the doorway. Minimum distance from front of furnace to combustibles: 6" clearly stated on the furnace. Passed the original code inspection when built, has had multiple owners since then and several mechanical inspections. Current owner is a young woman who has owned it 2 years.
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In a mutiple dewelling like an aparment a common vent cannot be use inside of apartment mustbe outside.
What's Wrong Nobody said anything until now!
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Originally posted by Steve Wiggins 2000 IMC Section 801.19 "Common venting systems for appliances located on more than one floor level shall be prohibited, except where all of the appliances served by the common vent are located in rooms or spaces that are accessed only from the outdoors. The appliance enclosures shall not communicate with the occupiable areas of the building." Thanks for the cite.
Originally posted by Steve Wiggins Tell the inspector to build a wall around the tail pipe of his car. A kid could burn himself on it you know. If they are that worried about it just put a lock on the door. I just snapped a piece of 6" single wall around the existing vertical section of 5" double wall. We'll see what he says when he comes back. At least this way, they can still light the pilot or adjust the temp.
Tell the inspector to build a wall around the tail pipe of his car. A kid could burn himself on it you know. If they are that worried about it just put a lock on the door.
2000 IMC Section 801.19 "Common venting systems for appliances located on more than one floor level shall be prohibited, except where all of the appliances served by the common vent are located in rooms or spaces that are accessed only from the outdoors. The appliance enclosures shall not communicate with the occupiable areas of the building."
Originally posted by klrogers I don't know about 1982, but today the International Mechanical Code does not allow common flues for equipment on different floors. The International Fuel Gas Code (also an ICC book) does. Where does the IMC prohibit it?
Is there a section of code which prohibits the exposed b-vent which comes through the floor? The mechanical inspector wants a wall built around it.
Backdraft I bet that water heater's flue backdrafts a lot. Someone mentioned the absence of an air taken from the living space, which means that combustion gas from the furnace could run in a loop through the water heater's flue. Actually, it looks like there's a vent in the top right corner which would help, but I believe another one is needed at the bottom of such an enclosed space. Even if there was air from the living space, depending on how many other systems are hooked to this flue, and if the flue's exit on the roof is constricted a bit (see other wall of shame post showing that to be the case on another install), the water heater flue could backdraft when all the furnaces are on at the same time. If there's leakage in the furnace return, that could cause the water heater flue to backdraft as well. CO detector, anyone?
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Originally posted by Steve Wiggins Water heater not accessable without removing vent pipe. No lower combustion & fresh air taken from the living space. No secondary drain - garden hose not allowed material for main drain. Front of furnace too close to door. Stuck blower relay in 022 circuit board. Filter doesn't fit right in the back, no hold down wire. Dang!! You're good!! The front of the furnace is 2" from the doorway. Should be minimum 6" from front of furnace to combustibles. 1/2" garden hose drain, plugged up. YES!!! The control board won't bring the blower in in heat mode!! How in the hell did you know that???? The hole cut in the floor box is 26" long, so filter doesn't cover it. The old woman who lived there just laid the filter on top of the hold down wire. I tried putting a filter in but can't get the back end in right, so I'm going to have to redo the hole. Evaporator plugged solid with dirt. Condensate ran down the back of the heat exchangers and rotted out the back ends of the burners. I took everything out and wirebrushed for an hour. It was a lot of fun cleaning the evaporator Wires are laying on the single wall flue. Real estate job. Sellers agent hired me. Buyer's inspector just said "Clean & service & remove rust. Also said he wants a box built around the type B flue coming up through the floor because it's dangerous. Sellers agent asked him how anyone would be able to get to the water heater with a box there, and to specify why it's dangerous and to cite code, and inspector declined, but insisted it be done. ??? [Edited by midhvac on 05-21-2004 at 08:43 PM]
I don't know about 1982, but today the International Mechanical Code does not allow common flues for equipment on different floors.
Maybe I just can't see it, but where's the gas cutoff valve for the furnace? The hose for condensate drainage is a joke. No, I wouldn't touch that water heater, either. Nuh uhh no way fergetaboutit.
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