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Only reviving this old thread because I'm pretty sure I have Stoecker's "Industrial Refrigeration" in PDF somewhere in my email. If you would like a copy shoot me a pm and I'll get it to you.

Originally Posted by spinning wheel

The question that you need to ask yourself, is if you want to travel alot. If you want to do industrial refrigeration, you will travel within your geograpic area, as there usually is not that much of it in a certain area. There is a very good book on industrial refrigeration called industrial refrigeration, by Wilbert Stoecker. This is about cold storage facilities, and recirculated ammonia. This type of system is always a built up system and not a packaged chiller. The book is not cheap, you will pay over $100 for it. This is not a PDF that you can download. Good luck in your choice and remember that ammonia is not for everyone.

T Stoecker's is an excellent book, packed with lots of valuable information. You might also look into RETA (Refrigerating Engineers and Technicians Association). They have lots of books, courses and educational materials. They also have a certification program and these days, if you want to do industrial refrigeration, most companies will want you to have a RETA certification.

Originally Posted by thermojohn

Tapped out one from the back card of a legal pad in a situation just like that. Worked like a champ until the real one was available. Have a ball peen and one of those note pads... will travel!

They wouldn't even get the reference!

Funniest thing I ever saw was a dude lighting a cigarette with a sulfur stick. I thought he was going to fall right out of the lift. Ammonia stinks but sulfur is worse.

Originally Posted by Auscold

so many young guys today couldn't even tap a gasket out but if you work for an industrial company you will learn all those skills because at 11pm on a Saturday night nobody is going to sell you one!

Tapped out one from the back card of a legal pad in a situation just like that. Worked like a champ until the real one was available. Have a ball peen and one of those note pads... will travel!

Was a young fella when I last worked on NH3 but still clearly remember nothing like a good wiff to clear the head after a hard night.

But seriously if you want a good grounding in mechanical refrigeration trade than you can't go past industrial work. You do actually build a tolerance to Ammonia the more you work with it. Agree with the above posts - Wilbert Stoecker will be your bible if you are an ammonia fridgee.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more with the grounding you will get from working for an industrial company, so many young guys today couldn't even tap a gasket out but if you work for an industrial company you will learn all those skills because at 11pm on a Saturday night nobody is going to sell you one!

Originally Posted by supertek65

Flange
I want do be a swimming pool repairman.

Nope that wont work, you will have too many callbacks.

Was a young fella when I last worked on NH3 but still clearly remember nothing like a good wiff to clear the head after a hard night.

But seriously if you want a good grounding in mechanical refrigeration trade than you can't go past industrial work. You do actually build a tolerance to Ammonia the more you work with it. Agree with the above posts - Wilbert Stoecker will be your bible if you are an ammonia fridgee.

Flange
I want do be a swimming pool repairman.

I totaly agree with Nh3-Refrigeration-Tech's post!
Please do some work experience with an Industrial refrigeration contracting company so you get a feel for it first as you may not handle the smell of ammonia for a 12 hour plus day the work can be very physical and the hours demanding but the job pays well and is very rewarding and it will provide endless opportunities to you

I purchased a copy of Industrial refrigeration, by Wilbert Stoecker when I first started and I still go back to it all the time, it is an exellent book if you intend to enter the Industrial field.

Good luck

you wanna be in homes with wives, dogs and cats, commercial spaces with pretty women, or processing plants with guys, making nice money, but often working a lot and smelling like...I cant describe it, you just have to smell it??

I've worked my whole life as an Industrial Ammonia Refrigeration Technician currently at the plant I work at our Ammonia System holds 436,441 pounds of Ammonia. That would be a good "definition" of Industrial. I love what I do, but like mentioned above Ammonia isn't for everyone. I'd say before you choose what "style" of Refrigeration work you go into, you really need to know what Ammonia smells like (And by no means am I telling or advising you to seek out Ammonia and sniff it, it will most likely cause you quite a bit of pain, but in order to know if its what you want to do with your life you need to know what it smells like and if Ammonia is somthing that you'll be confortable working around and with, and Googleing it wont work, its a smell that is very hard to describe) and it benifits and negatives of working with Ammonia. Please feel free to email me with any Ammonia questions that you may have. I've been working with Ammonia for a very long time, and hopefully I will be able to answer any questions you may have.

Thanks
-Chris

Originally Posted by spinning wheel

The question that you need to ask yourself, is if you want to travel alot. If you want to do industrial refrigeration, you will travel within your geograpic area, as there usually is not that much of it in a certain area. There is a very good book on industrial refrigeration called industrial refrigeration, by Wilbert Stoecker. This is about cold storage facilities, and recirculated ammonia. This type of system is always a built up system and not a packaged chiller. The book is not cheap, you will pay over $100 for it. This is not a PDF that you can download. Good luck in your choice and remember that ammonia is not for everyone.

Thanks guys, I appreciate it. I am the type of person that wants to try pretty much everything within the scope of the field i'm in. I am not married to the idea that "Industrial is for me" by any means. I just like all the big machines, the vibrations, the noise, and the smell. Despite all of those attractions, I might hate it and want to try a different part of the field. Thanks for your input.

Also, I see the travel as a plus. Get out and see some communities in the area I wouldn't normally visit. Thanks for the suggestion on the book. I'll add it to my amazon wishlist!

http://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Ref...6728296&sr=8-1

Some copies used for as little as $66. New is 78, free shipping I wish i'd known about this before, as my birthday was yesterday. I ended up getting a small cordless nut-driver instead, which is still a very nice gift mind you.

The question that you need to ask yourself, is if you want to travel alot. If you want to do industrial refrigeration, you will travel within your geograpic area, as there usually is not that much of it in a certain area. There is a very good book on industrial refrigeration called industrial refrigeration, by Wilbert Stoecker. This is about cold storage facilities, and recirculated ammonia. This type of system is always a built up system and not a packaged chiller. The book is not cheap, you will pay over $100 for it. This is not a PDF that you can download. Good luck in your choice and remember that ammonia is not for everyone.

theres a recent post "chilled water books" with a whole lot of info , stan

I see commercial as larger scale than residential, generally seen at retail outlets, malls, apartment blocks, hotels etc. Industrial would be more process refrigeration, large scale food processing (i.e turkey/chicken processing plant), cryogenics etc. When I think industrial, I think large screw compressors, ammonia,huge chillers, blast chillers, brine baths for rapid food cooling etc.

Any information documents/pdf's about any aspect of commercial and industrial would be very much appreciated.

what is your definition of 'commercial' and 'industrial'?

R-717

Greetings everyone,

I am in the process of taking a Refrigeration Mechanic Foundations course, and will be finishing up my level 1 in a couple of months. I am trying to decide whether I want to go commercial or industrial. I have some commercial reading material, I was wondering if anyone had information pdf's about industrial chillers that they would be willing to share.

I have the ASHRAE handbook and Modern Refrigeration text book. I found the chapter on chillers in both books to be rather sparse.

Thanks!
Tim