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  • 06-13-2011, 10:10 PM
    AC Shop
    Thanks for all the feed back. When I show pictures of my work to my wife, she yawns.........

    Sounds like my wife! LOL
  • 06-13-2011, 09:56 PM
    trouble time
    Thanks for all the feed back. When I show pictures of my work to my wife, she yawns.........

  • 06-13-2011, 07:12 PM
    dunkman
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcrj View Post
    It might run a long time like that with no problems.

    I've found a few that were like that for 5-10 years before the perfect conditions came along and frosted them up. Had others where the owner had to go out several times a winter to knock the frost out until I snorkeled it up.
    Ditto to that.

    It takes just the right breeze, or no breeze at all. It usually happens on incorrectly vented furnaces, because the exhaust and intake operate simultaneously. The temp also needs to stay -10 or -20 deg F for a week straight to frost them up. He'll probably never have a problem. A lot of times it takes several years for it to happen. But when it happens you can bet you'll be fixing a lot of vents during that week!
  • 06-13-2011, 10:46 AM
    DeltaT
    Really pretty. Never seen holes through bricks so perfect.
  • 06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
    Chuck
    BTW that is a very clean and nice furnace install.
  • 06-13-2011, 09:18 AM
    Chuck
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble time View Post
    Thanks for your insight. Now I will know how to fix it if I do run into problems.
    Do you think there should be a better way of venting appliances side by side?
    We Installers should come up with something that would be problem free. Just think of the years of experience on this forum. We together should be able to design a better venting system.
    The one common point in all frosted up vent pipes is when you have an exhaust pipe at the same or a lower level than a nearby intake pipe. So keep all exhaust pipes at least a foot above nearby intakes.

    Another way to prevent it if you have room is to run that wtr htr exhaust straight out a foot to shoot the exhaust gases out beyond where they could drift back into the intake.
  • 06-13-2011, 08:57 AM
    trouble time
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcrj View Post
    It might run a long time like that with no problems.

    I've found a few that were like that for 5-10 years before the perfect conditions came along and frosted them up. Had others where the owner had to go out several times a winter to knock the frost out until I snorkeled it up.
    Thanks for your insight. Now I will know how to fix it if I do run into problems.
    Do you think there should be a better way of venting appliances side by side?
    We Installers should come up with something that would be problem free. Just think of the years of experience on this forum. We together should be able to design a better venting system.
  • 06-13-2011, 08:49 AM
    Chuck
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble time View Post
    I see your point, but it is in a dead end ally. I am not anticipating too many problems with it. If I do, I will have to contact the manufacture of the tank to get approval to snorkel the vent. The manufactures instructions were followed for installation next to a furnace intake. We must follow B149.1 gas code and the Manufactures instructions.
    It might run a long time like that with no problems.

    I've found a few that were like that for 5-10 years before the perfect conditions came along and frosted them up. Had others where the owner had to go out several times a winter to knock the frost out until I snorkeled it up.
  • 06-13-2011, 08:44 AM
    trouble time
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcrj View Post
    Yes the water heater vent should snorkel up like the furnace exhaust. Just a slight breeze will blow the vent gases over to the furnace intake if they are both running at the same time. I've had to fix that many many times.
    I see your point, but it is in a dead end ally. I am not anticipating too many problems with it. If I do, I will have to contact the manufacture of the tank to get approval to snorkel the vent. The manufactures instructions were followed for installation next to a furnace intake. We must follow B149.1 gas code and the Manufactures instructions.
  • 06-13-2011, 08:37 AM
    trouble time
    Quote Originally Posted by johnt2_2002 View Post
    Nice installation! But how come you went with a drum humidifier?
    It was an existing humidifier that the customer wanted to keep.
  • 06-12-2011, 09:33 PM
    johnt2_2002
    Nice installation! But how come you went with a drum humidifier?
  • 06-12-2011, 04:49 PM
    trouble time
    I used a 2 1/2" Core bit.
    I wish I could take credit for how it looks, but the homeowner is an old brick layer. When I drilled the holes it loosened the joints around where I was drilling on this 100 year old house. A small section over the window fell out.
    He said no problem and fixed it, his workmanship impressed me. I would not have been able to fix it and make it look as nice.
  • 06-12-2011, 04:47 PM
    Chuck
    Quote Originally Posted by dunkman View Post
    I don't do any install either, but it looks great. Only thing that jumps out at me is the furnace intake might frost up a little with the water heater vent being even with it.
    Yes the water heater vent should snorkel up like the furnace exhaust. Just a slight breeze will blow the vent gases over to the furnace intake if they are both running at the same time. I've had to fix that many many times.
  • 06-12-2011, 02:58 PM
    CoolWine
    What did you use to core the brick? looks real clean.
  • 06-12-2011, 02:20 PM
    trouble time
    dfelt;
    That SS gear clamp is not a gear clamp. It is a support bracket. It must be installed on all Payne installations according to the manufactures literature.
    When I went to get it at Carrier they said Not too many people put them in. But, the installation would not be CGA approved without that clamp.
    I did use the primer, it does not show up too well in the pictures. Embridge inspected and passed the installation.
    In Ontario, we Rarely get the snow levels and cold that you get. I am not anticipating any issues with the venting.

    The pictures don't do it justice, but the min clearance is 12" the distance between the exhaust of the furnace and intake of the hwt 14-16" I can not remember but I did note it when I installed it that it was more than min required.
  • 06-12-2011, 01:41 PM
    dunkman
    I don't do any install either, but it looks great. Only thing that jumps out at me is the furnace intake might frost up a little with the water heater vent being even with it.
  • 06-12-2011, 01:00 PM
    dfelt
    Can't really see in pics but is that system636 pvc?At my location inspectors like to see evidence of primer{you know ,the purple crap that can end up all over}reason is becaus there was an allinone product that resulted in failed/leaking joints.I would use the clear primer product to clean off any stray purple crap for better look.
  • 06-12-2011, 12:51 PM
    dfelt
    Looks great ,not to knock but wondering what will happen in winter when vent exhaust leaves an icesicle by the window?The horizontal portion of exhaust is backgraded fr.outside to the furnace i'm sure but in real world my locale still translates to an outside sicle.
    Also,is that ss gear clamp w/screen on the intake?If it is these are the first place the intake will frost over in winter.With intakes I,ve had issues even w/2"dia.in ie.fall hoar frost gradually coning a restriction so instead put a tee on intake in lieu of the 90.The two openings on the tee alleviate this{also if there's powdery snow and swirling wind it lessens}
    Clearance fr.hwh vent to comb.air intake? Just wondering.
  • 06-12-2011, 09:13 AM
    trouble time
    Quote Originally Posted by dandyme View Post
    1-what size is that furnace?

    2-can you get to the far side of the c-pump to get the screw out?

    3-whats the other pvc pipe there?
    Its a Payne 2 stage 80,000 Btu.
    Yes you can get the screw out on the c-pump, (thought about that myself after moving the DHW in place, screw can be reached with small 5/16 tech)
    Other Pvc Pipe is the DHW

    The right angle filter case is a real nice unit, saves a lot of time and looks clean. You can match the size of the drop with an adjustment on top...
    Gives the customers a larger surface area filter......
  • 06-12-2011, 07:28 AM
    BaldLoonie
    Looks nice to me. Always been a fan of the "right angle" air cleaners.
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