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Originally Posted by wgrr

You are very wrong on many points. I am not going to address them all.

It is clear to me that you do not pay much attention to politics or you would realize that the Senate is not a 50/50 + the Vice President majority rules group of folks. To overide a veto they have to have 60 votes. The Dems never had a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate. Some Dems/Indies joined with Repubs to filibuster many key bills that passed in the House. A few Republicans broke party rules and voted in favor of a the few bills that actually were passed in the Senate. Hundreds of bills never got a chance to recieve the Repubs vaunted up or down vote.

15 cents an hour in Malaysia is not like making $15 an hour here. The proposed raise would bring the average Malaysians standard of living up to what we would consider to be very poor in this country, but at least, according to the Malaysian government, would allow their citizens to have a standard of living that does not involve living in unsanitary conditions and not being able to buy sufficient food to keep their families fed.

George Soros? To much right wing propoganda I assume. All I know about Soros is he is a left leaning billionaire who is demonized by the right. I have never heard a darn thing he has said about anything.

Finally, Sam Walton, My Grandfather and Sam were very good friends. I lived in Bentonville, AR when Wal-Mart was born. I have been in Store #1 in Rogers, AR shopping with my mom. My dad did all of Sam's plumbing and HVACR work. I played tennis on his private court next to his Faye Jones designed house. Do I need to go on ad nausium? Trust me, as anti-union as Sam was, he was very good to his employees and believed the common worker should have a leg up. He made many secretaries, maintenance men, truck drivers, and warehouse workers millionaires. He shared the wealth the workers made for him. Remember his "buy American" program? Trust me, He is rolling in his grave right now.

The reason that the democrats can't get their agenda passed is because even though they have a Senate majority, not all of the Democrat senators will vote with the dems. In fact, the dems are not hampered by republicans, they are hampered by the lack of cohesiveness and agreement among their own ranks. So, when it comes time for cloture on important issues, they lose the fight. That loss is not so much because of short-lived attempts at a filibuster by republicans, but because not enough democrats agree with the bill or its riders.

Now, to further explain a couple of things.

Our "poor" are the wealthiest poor people on the planet, bar none. They drive cars, live in houses, and have flat screen TVs.

The poor of Malaysia are indeed "poor." In fact, Malaysians are a majority-poor nation. So, when you look at the average wage of Malaysia, that 15 cents is indeed analogous to $15.

Now, we can argue whether we, as a nation should be attempting to change the nature of poverty in foreign nations by paying more for goods and service than the free market demands. I would say "no," because those nations must advance their own agenda for education and economic production. We can advise them, and we do give that advice. We can plant seeds of prosperity, but it is up to the people of those nations, rich AND poor, to tend to their growth and success.

George Soros is a naturalized American citizen who made his money as a hedge fund manager that would make Gordon Greco cringe, so it is ironic indeed that Soros wants to change America to a socialist society. After all, this won't affect him, because Soros and his friends will still be de facto members of the ruling class here.

George Soros has funded most, if not all of the current left wing 527's and .orgs, including the Tides Foundation, who had spent the last six years writing the Obama healthcare bill. This is why none of the people in Congress knew what was in it. They just copied what had been written, and added a few paragraphs written by their legislative assistants.

Here is the "about" page for Soros' "Open Society" org. If you just scan this, it appears to be pretty innocuous, even laudable.

http://www.soros.org/about

What most people miss is that these folks go into countries and apply their own definition of justice and fairness, definitions they just cooked up themselves, rather than being representative of a nation that has a track record of refining those definitions over time. They have never given up their citizens' blood to defend or to advance freedom, anywhere. Instead, they wish to create nations where their influence leads to a government that redistributes wealth from those who have earned it, to those who have not.

That's what terms like "fairness" and "social equality" mean to them. So, you do have to read between the lines. This is Utopian Socialism, plain and simple.

Ah, Sam. A good man to be sure.

I was friends with his chief pilot, Bob Lake.

I'm sure that Sam would be doing things a little differently than his successors, but I also think that one thing Sam excelled at was reading the tea leaves about what is happening in a current situation, and then extrapolating what would happen in the near and far term.

Perhaps Sam would argue against some things, but I also believe that Sam would agree with a surprising majority of how his family is reflecting his legacy, because as things have changed in America and around the world, Sam would certainly have changed with them.

I also think it is reasonable to believe that if Sam could not purchase his goods here, he would certainly be willing to purchase them elsewhere, because his customers would DEMAND those goods.

Sam Walton was a great man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Walmart is evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by wgrr

You are very wrong on many points. I am not going to address them all.

It is clear to me that you do not pay much attention to politics or you would realize that the Senate is not a 50/50 + the Vice President majority rules group of folks. To overide a veto they have to have 60 votes. The Dems never had a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate. Some Dems/Indies joined with Repubs to filibuster many key bills that passed in the House. A few Republicans broke party rules and voted in favor of a the few bills that actually were passed in the Senate. Hundreds of bills never got a chance to recieve the Repubs vaunted up or down vote.

15 cents an hour in Malaysia is not like making $15 an hour here. The proposed raise would bring the average Malaysians standard of living up to what we would consider to be very poor in this country, but at least, according to the Malaysian government, would allow their citizens to have a standard of living that does not involve living in unsanitary conditions and not being able to buy sufficient food to keep their families fed.

George Soros? To much right wing propoganda I assume. All I know about Soros is he is a left leaning billionaire who is demonized by the right. I have never heard a darn thing he has said about anything.

Finally, Sam Walton, My Grandfather and Sam were very good friends. I lived in Bentonville, AR when Wal-Mart was born. I have been in Store #1 in Rogers, AR shopping with my mom. My dad did all of Sam's plumbing and HVACR work. I played tennis on his private court next to his Faye Jones designed house. Do I need to go on ad nausium? Trust me, as anti-union as Sam was, he was very good to his employees and believed the common worker should have a leg up. He made many secretaries, maintenance men, truck drivers, and warehouse workers millionaires. He shared the wealth the workers made for him. Remember his "buy American" program? Trust me, He is rolling in his grave right now.

Originally Posted by timebuilder

15 cents an hour in Malaysia is like making $15 an hour here. Where to you get this stuff? George Soros?

You are very wrong on many points. I am not going to address them all.

It is clear to me that you do not pay much attention to politics or you would realize that the Senate is not a 50/50 + the Vice President majority rules group of folks. To overide a veto they have to have 60 votes. The Dems never had a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate. Some Dems/Indies joined with Repubs to filibuster many key bills that passed in the House. A few Republicans broke party rules and voted in favor of a the few bills that actually were passed in the Senate. Hundreds of bills never got a chance to recieve the Repubs vaunted up or down vote.

15 cents an hour in Malaysia is not like making $15 an hour here. The proposed raise would bring the average Malaysians standard of living up to what we would consider to be very poor in this country, but at least, according to the Malaysian government, would allow their citizens to have a standard of living that does not involve living in unsanitary conditions and not being able to buy sufficient food to keep their families fed.

George Soros? To much right wing propoganda I assume. All I know about Soros is he is a left leaning billionaire who is demonized by the right. I have never heard a darn thing he has said about anything.

Finally, Sam Walton, My Grandfather and Sam were very good friends. I lived in Bentonville, AR when Wal-Mart was born. I have been in Store #1 in Rogers, AR shopping with my mom. My dad did all of Sam's plumbing and HVACR work. I played tennis on his private court next to his Faye Jones designed house. Do I need to go on ad nausium? Trust me, as anti-union as Sam was, he was very good to his employees and believed the common worker should have a leg up. He made many secretaries, maintenance men, truck drivers, and warehouse workers millionaires. He shared the wealth the workers made for him. Remember his "buy American" program? Trust me, He is rolling in his grave right now.

Originally Posted by wgrr

Deregulation killed the savings and loans.

Nope.

Deregulation killed the banks too.

Nope.

We just had to bail them out with "our money" to avoid a collapse of the markets all around the world. That is what GWB said in a speech a week ago. People have no idea how close this country came to a total financial collapse.

People don't realize yet that we actually have collapsed. The roof just hasn't come down yet.


There is high unemployment because there are no jobs. 55,000 factories have outsourced since 2000. This country in October 2008 lost 700,000 jobs in one month.

We are slowly coming out of our financial woes. It will take a lot of time. If we put the Republicans back into power next week then it will take a lot longer.

No, the markets are waiting, the employers are waiting, and in fact, all of America is now waiting to exhale after the elections, because NONE of the promises made by Obama or the supporters in Congress have come true.

Well, one has.

They have indeed started to "fundamentally change this country," and that is why they will lose on Tuesday.

Republicans in the Senate have obstructed a record number of bills, many of them were introduced buy Republicans, by filibustering everything.

Not true. The Republicans did not have the votes to maintain a filibuster.

They will regress back to 2006 when they lost power. They have 0 new ideas to help the working class of this great nation. They will fight hard to continue the crippling taxcuts for millionaires and billionaires while cutting every Social program this country has to insure the common man does not die pennyless in a ditch, on the side of the road.

Pretty dramatic sounding, but 100% manure.

We cannot sustain the social programs. I will never get social security. If you are younger, you won't get it, either. We will get something CALLED social security, but it will bear little resemblance to what my father received. We can't afford it. We will get Medicare, but it won't exist like it does now.

And, you can tax millionaires as long as you want, and 1) it won't fix the problem, and 2) they won't have money to invest, and there goes all the hope of jobs.

If you want to fix this, we can't have the benefits we were promised. We must cut deeply. We cannot tax the rich, because they have smart people who will protect their assets, and they DO leave this country to protect their money. When taxes go down, they invest in companies, some of them here, and jobs are created. Raise those taxes, and it's Katie bar the door.

This is what the tea baggers believe in. That is why they run and hide from the press. Evertime they open their pie hole their numbers drop like a rock.

Not true. You keep saying it, though. I think its funny.

I am going to LMAO when all these older angry white tea baggers riding around on their "free" scooters and living off Social Security and Medicare, wake up and realize they just fought to get people elected to office that want to take all of that away from them. GET YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE. Ignorance is bliss.

But reality bites. And it will. They won't lose their scooters, but guess what, if you or I want one, we will have to pay for it.

As far as Wal-Mart goes, Sam is rolling in his grave. He would never have approved of the way his company does business today.

Says who? You?

Wal-Mart is responsible for much of the outsourcing that is going on today. They are so huge they can dictate what price they are willing to pay a vendor for a product. If the vendor does not meet the price then they lose 90% of their market. The vendors close up here and move out to countries that pay workers 15 cents an hour.

Sounds like the smarts that built a great nation, to me.

Wal-Mart is actually fighting, I believe in Malaysia, to keep the government there from increasing workers wages from 15 cents an hour to 30 cents an hour. They make Faded Glory jeans there. Workers are expected to sew 10 pairs an hour. Wal-Marts labor costs are what, 2.5 cents a pair and they ar fighting a rise to 5 cents a pair. That would mean you might have to pay $10 for a pair of jeans instead of $8. Keeping workers here and around the world in abject poverty is the Wal-Mart way.

I have no use for Wal-Mart. I do not shop there.

15 cents an hour in Malaysia is like making $15 an hour here. Where to you get this stuff? George Soros?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i never caps it takes too much work!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Originally Posted by wgrr

i believe it is sentence structure.

i believe we capitalize I when referring to ourselves because if we don't we are just an i.

Originally Posted by supertek65

hell!
i dont even know what syntax is???????????

i believe it is sentence structure.

i believe we capitalize I when referring to ourselves because if we don't we are just an i.

Originally Posted by Balystic

Really? Are you f*****g kidding me? What made everyone broke was the deregulation of the power companies and the banks (i.e. sub-prime mortgages and subsequent foreclosures).

This deregulation paved the way for these fat-ass CEOs to sit around, farting in their leather chairs, while they counted the cash they earned from the public.

I won't say STOLE because they didn't steal it. What these banks and wall-street people were doing was perfectly legal. So it ain't stealing.

But, it shouldn't have been legal.

They created the crash. Remember the downfall of WAMU?

They didn't steal. But they didn't care.

THAt'S WHY WE'RE BROKE, and now shop for Chinese goods at Sam's stores.

Can't blame Walmart either - they're good business people, realizing that everyone is f****d, and finding a way to make it work.

Deregulation killed the savings and loans. Deregulation killed the banks too. We just had to bail them out with "our money" to avoid a collapse of the markets all around the world. That is what GWB said in a speech a week ago. People have no idea how close this country came to a total financial collapse.

There is high unemployment because there are no jobs. 55,000 factories have outsourced since 2000. This country in October 2008 lost 700,000 jobs in one month.

We are slowly coming out of our financial woes. It will take a lot of time. If we put the Republicans back into power next week then it will take a lot longer. Republicans in the Senate have obstructed a record number of bills, many of them were introduced buy Republicans, by filibustering everything. They will regress back to 2006 when they lost power. They have 0 new ideas to help the working class of this great nation. They will fight hard to continue the crippling taxcuts for millionaires and billionaires while cutting every Social program this country has to insure the common man does not die pennyless in a ditch, on the side of the road.

This is what the tea baggers believe in. That is why they run and hide from the press. Evertime they open their pie hole their numbers drop like a rock. I am going to LMAO when all these older angry white tea baggers riding around on their "free" scooters and living off Social Security and Medicare, wake up and realize they just fought to get people elected to office that want to take all of that away from them. GET YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE. Ignorance is bliss.

As far as Wal-Mart goes, Sam is rolling in his grave. He would never have approved of the way his company does business today.

Wal-Mart is responsible for much of the outsourcing that is going on today. They are so huge they can dictate what price they are willing to pay a vendor for a product. If the vendor does not meet the price then they lose 90% of their market. The vendors close up here and move out to countries that pay workers 15 cents an hour.

Wal-Mart is actually fighting, I believe in Malaysia, to keep the government there from increasing workers wages from 15 cents an hour to 30 cents an hour. They make Faded Glory jeans there. Workers are expected to sew 10 pairs an hour. Wal-Marts labor costs are what, 2.5 cents a pair and they ar fighting a rise to 5 cents a pair. That would mean you might have to pay $10 for a pair of jeans instead of $8. Keeping workers here and around the world in abject poverty is the Wal-Mart way.

I have no use for Wal-Mart. I do not shop there.

Originally Posted by timebuilder

Cost will lock him out of good plans.

That is true because the "new" healthcare law is still controlled by the insurance industry. They can still set any price they want. With overhead costs of 30% most of which is salaries, stock options, and bonuses you can bet prices will continue to rise.

hell!
i dont even know what syntax is???????????

Originally Posted by supertek65

.....unfortunately, buying goods produced in china is what has made us all so broke and now we all have to buy chinese krapp cus it is all we can afford!!!!!!!!!!

"buying made goods in China is what made us all so broke we NOW have to buy goods produced in China?"

HAHAHA

Anyone else see the syntax error here?

Originally Posted by supertek65

wow dmac

that was a long frikkn post!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

unfortunately, buying goods produced in china is what has made us all so broke and now we all have to buy chinese krapp cus it is all we can afford!!!!!!!!!!

Really? Are you f*****g kidding me? What made everyone broke was the deregulation of the power companies and the banks (i.e. sub-prime mortgages and subsequent foreclosures).

This deregulation paved the way for these fat-ass CEOs to sit around, farting in their leather chairs, while they counted the cash they earned from the public.

I won't say STOLE because they didn't steal it. What these banks and wall-street people were doing was perfectly legal. So it ain't stealing.

But, it shouldn't have been legal.

They created the crash. Remember the downfall of WAMU?

They didn't steal. But they didn't care.

THAt'S WHY WE'RE BROKE, and now shop for Chinese goods at Sam's stores.

Can't blame Walmart either - they're good business people, realizing that everyone is f****d, and finding a way to make it work.

Originally Posted by ct_hvac_tech

And that's exactly what our government wants. They WANT it to be just like China where to government lives high on a hill and keeps the citizens poor. And you know who's fault it is we are headed this way? It's the fault of the American voters. The people who don't see this stuff or don't care.

my brother in law is a self employed house appraiser. With all this health care reform, if they do not buy into the national health care system, they will now be fined over $700 every MONTH. If they do buy into it, they will be paying over $2,000 a month.

So yeah....people voted for change and they GOT change.

Then just don't buy into it, and pay the $700.00 a month.

Originally Posted by wgrr

Your brother in law got some bad advice. He needs to go back and reread the section on mandated health care coverage. If he already has insurance he can keep it. If he is self employed more options will soon open up because pre-existing conditions will no longer lock you out of good plans. The figures posted above don't look right at all.

Cost will lock him out of good plans.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by DMACCGrad11

Ba-dum-bum

Ba-dum-bum

i hope you like the trade?
it is fun and has been good to me!!!!!!

i just drive an old ford truck??

Originally Posted by DMACCGrad11

Yeah tek, sooooooo close to being done with my AAS. I can't wait to get into a place and start clocking internship hours. And get a sweet ass van with hydros and wicked sound system and a big hemi under the hood.

And when I wake up...

Yeah tek, sooooooo close to being done with my AAS. I can't wait to get into a place and start clocking internship hours. And get a sweet ass van with hydros and wicked sound system and a big hemi under the hood.

And when I wake up...

we were afraid o buy another American car!
we have had 10-12 American cars right off the showroom floor!
none of them went 50k without very expensive repairs and were very undependable!
not to mention the resale value?? that is a joke! they have NO value after 5 years!

anyhow we bought a 2002 mittsubishi montero, the full size one
from june of 2001 until october of 2010 the only thing it has needed was front brakes and a new power antennae !!!!!!!!!!!1
last week we think we blew a head gasket????
i have to put a pressure tester on it still!

i bought Helen a 2010 buick lacrosse fo xmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am hoping it is as good of a car is it looks!!!!!!!!!!!!


i forgot you were in school??
good luck!!!!!

Originally Posted by DMACCGrad11

You wanna know the good news? I'm about six months and two weeks away from graduation. I can't wait to get out in the field and make **** happen!

But you hit the nail on the head, the auto makers just made bottom line, cheap junk that was replaceable after 75k. (Remember the first Dodge Caravans?) Now cars are lasting over 150k from the import makers. The US cars are just starting to catch up although I worry with all the amazing electronic gadgets, that the layman won't be able to ever work on their car.

I'm still supporting Mitsubishi though because I love the Lancer, it made me rediscover the joy of driving...not so much the joy of repair however, but you know, I drive more than I repair, so I can't complain.

You wanna know the good news? I'm about six months and two weeks away from graduation. I can't wait to get out in the field and make **** happen!

But you hit the nail on the head, the auto makers just made bottom line, cheap junk that was replaceable after 75k. (Remember the first Dodge Caravans?) Now cars are lasting over 150k from the import makers. The US cars are just starting to catch up although I worry with all the amazing electronic gadgets, that the layman won't be able to ever work on their car.

I'm still supporting Mitsubishi though because I love the Lancer, it made me rediscover the joy of driving...not so much the joy of repair however, but you know, I drive more than I repair, so I can't complain.