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Originally posted by midhvac
Great job!

I've been looking for some pictures like that to show my customers

Thanks!

LOL Your a funny dude Midhvac!

Nice looking job.

Great job!

I've been looking for some pictures like that to show my customers

Thanks!

Great Job!
A good example of "Pride In Craftsmanship"!
Love the copper drains.

A styro-foam filled plastic device called "Kwik-bolks" Unistrut on top of that, held down with Unistrut clamps called "Cush-a-clamps".

The quick blocks can support the weight of an RTU, around 7.5 ton units. Only cost about $8.00 Cdn.

Very nice work. What do you use for supporting the line sets on the roof?

All the major manufacturers will sell direct to the end user. They could care less about contractors. If you get pricing from them in the commercial/industrial arena and they feel your not going to get the sale they will go owner direct.

I have seen alot more owner or GC supplied equipment in the last few years. Then they want the installer to assume warranty even though we didnt purchase the equipment. Any profit you would have made on the equipment to cover the warranty is gone. They are making it harder and harder to run good cos that make a profit. This industry is going to hell in a hand bag pretty darn fast. JMHO

Good point, Big.

Carrier direct to General Contractor

Beware, mechanical contractors; more & more equipment is being sold direct to the GC & owners. One of these days the mechanical contractor will just be an installer & servicer for the GC. I believe I will go to Wal-Mar this afternoon & get me two big steaks & then take them to the OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE tonight & let them cook em for me!!!!!!

The General Contractor of the entire Hotel Reno... supplied the Equipment, The blue prints had all Lennox equipment spec'd they just had our team put it all together. I talked until I was blue in the face to the GC about me installing LL driers. He insisted that the ones that are internal to the unit (LL Filter) was all that was spec'd and they didn't want them on.

I had the Vac Pumps on them Overnight, and down to 50 microns when all was said and done. Besides, I'll get the service work.

Hey, but get this... After I got all the A/C stuff done, we had to wait for the Gas Fitters to complete their job, and I was the one who was to commission all the gas fired appliances, three furns, Eng A RTU, and four Carrier Package units. They were to leave the gas off. I had some time and went on a 2 week holiday.

I went back to finish our part, and saw the gas was on, the furnaces and package units were running, Eng A hadn't started - they had NO REGULATORS on line... 7 psi to every valve. What a nightmare! Although I checked out the valves after they sorted the Dog-and-Pony-Show out. They seemed fine, but I still recommended they change them out. They haven't yet.

Carrier

I know, & you know Benncool, but several posts here lately have tried to say that Carrier will only sell to its dealers. I know that while Carrier upper management will tell their dealers to their faces that they only want to sell to them; they are plotting behind close doors to find other routes of distribution to increase market share. At the same time they tell their dealers that they want to increase their business only from their existing base of dealers; they instruct & demand their salespeople to call on & set up new dealers on a weekly basis. Don't get me wrong, other manufacturers are doing the same thing, but it bugs me when someone says something & does the exact opposite. Sounds a lot like politicians, doesn't it.

Re: Owner Supplied Equipment???

Originally posted by mr big
Good looking work, but just curious why owner supplied equipment. I keep hearing people trying to convince me that Carrier only sells equipment to its dealers.

Where did you hear that crock? Carrier completely destroyed any credibiliy that they once had in their dealer network.

Somewhere on this site is a picture of me ripping the Carrier Oval off of my building.

I know Dice, I need to go to an anger management course.

Nice piping job. That's the way refrigeration piping should look.

Look at the cost of a line set and then look at the cost of the ACR that you ACTUAllY use. You will be surprised.
Especially if you factor in the "oops I kinked the big black one."

I was wondering where the liquid line driers are located on this job?

Owner Supplied Equipment???

Good looking work, but just curious why owner supplied equipment. I keep hearing people trying to convince me that Carrier only sells equipment to its dealers.

That's sure beautiful pipin' on the roof. Around here, there would be such a tangled mess of copper you couldn't walk around the units to service them!

Looks good all around. I,too would like to see PVC for drains. As for clean-outs, use a shop vac at the end of the drain! I use my handy 1X1 shop vac all the time, winter to clean furnaces, summer to suck out drain lines.

Thanks for thoughts guys... This job was spec'd... and they were specific with the drains. Abs is right, when we go and service this equipment, we'll let them know that we need better access to the drains... but in truth, it's not rocket science. Codes in Canada seem a bit different than those south of the Border. Actually, they seem significantly different from State to State... and for the most part... the differ here too from Province to Province.

Often in Residential... we pipe the drains in 3/4" Pex. Traps aren't code in the Res. installs. But I've been putting them in.

We all know you have to install anything with all HVAC principals considered. Airflow, drainage, Super heat, Sub cooling, etc... but also... neatness counts.

My kindergarten teacher in the early sixties told me. "You must color within the lines..." When I asked her why... She said, with a wink:... "Why, to impress your kindergarten teacher, ofcourse!" She was a foxy lady with a short skirt and Go-go boots. WE are STILL impressed! So I still color within the lines during installs.

Geeze!!!

Very nice looking job. The guy used a real drain and its getting questioned as to why no pvc. So what if no cleanout tee. When and if plugs up sweat in a union. Probably one of the better looking piping jobs posted on here IMHO.

Originally posted by ct_hvac_tech
I am curious, why copper for the condensate line instead of PVC?

i, too am curious...also, no clean out tee, or is it easily accessible once the coils' panel is removed?

I am curious, why copper for the condensate line instead of PVC?