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Originally Posted by OldSchoolMech

This is how All you Mericans Should Think just like how JP said it. Not My guns Bigger and badder then yours. I went to COLLEGE to be an HVAC/R Tech. In Canada all you would be is a helper with a ODP/EPA card going to the supply house buying reefer. Doesn't matter if you know what you are doing or Not. Gotta have that License.

I know how to drive my car but still gotta have a License to prove it.

Oh, Hecks.

My guns are plenty big enough. And, I've got a license to carry them.

Reading various HVAC/R forums over the past few years, you tend to get an interesting cross-section of our trade and exposure to techs from around the world.

I was stunned by what I didn't know and am continuously amazed by what I don't know about this trade, but even more stunned by the knowledge level of comparable tradesmen in other countries.

This is how All you Mericans Should Think just like how JP said it. Not My guns Bigger and badder then yours. I went to COLLEGE to be an HVAC/R Tech. In Canada all you would be is a helper with a ODP/EPA card going to the supply house buying reefer. Doesn't matter if you know what you are doing or Not. Gotta have that License.

I know how to drive my car but still gotta have a License to prove it.

Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm

This type of attitude is exactly why the USA is so far behind in technical knowledge.

In my state, no certifications are required beyond a CFC handling certificate to be a HVAC/R technician.

And you think that is OK?? Really?

My 11 year old son could knock out EPA after reviewing the materials.

Continuing education. Higher education standards and greater oversight is EXACTLY what this trade needs right now.

Never said that it was okay, Just saying us, we, and me as an American Citizen willing to die in our military for our rights and others rights, have grown up with the attitude of shoot now ask questions later. Besides a man with a family trying to pay the bills sometimes doesn't have the time to go to night school. Learning and going to school are always important some can't learn in a classroom setting and need to have hands on so in that case carnell knowledge is the best way to go. If i was trying to be an engineer I would have gone to college but that not what I want to be. When I started at hussman they didn't send me to classes they gave me a torch and cutters and said start welding thius is how to do it. Here is a wire stripper connect this and this read the schematic if you get lost. I will never be an over acheiver or under acheiver but I will allways be willing to learn and grow but I cannot afford tosit in a classroom at night. Hey if it's on the company dime and time sign me up. Not everyone has that opportuny, however.

Originally Posted by toocoolforschool

Yea we take the same attitude when we dive into war to save your as@es too.

This type of attitude is exactly why the USA is so far behind in technical knowledge.

In my state, no certifications are required beyond a CFC handling certificate to be a HVAC/R technician.

And you think that is OK?? Really?

My 11 year old son could knock out EPA after reviewing the materials.

Continuing education. Higher education standards and greater oversight is EXACTLY what this trade needs right now.

Originally Posted by maxster

school will show you how much you don't know about any field your in

I think this about sums up how I feel about schooling. Its just like when I first started out a while back. I rode with a "senior technician" and he was called a senior tech. simply because he has been there for a while. He knows what he knows based on repetition but at the same time couldn't explain why and how a lot of things worked. I mean, if that works out for you than by all means continue doing it, but when I eventually get back out in the field, I personally like to know why things do what they do and then be able to explain it to someone, whether that be another tech or a customer. Knowledge goes a long way.

So for a short answer, no, school is not a waste especially if it pertains to the field you're interested in.

LMAO.

lol yup you got that need i remind you in ww2 when you guys couldnt take a trench you sent us canadians in to do it and we succeeded, and your right we dont put all are money into the military thats why were not in debt like you guys thats why we have healthcare thats why canada is a great place to leave...oh wait and if it wasnt for us you wouldnt have no trading in the world....keep talking maybe toocoolforschool needs to actually go to school and learn

Don't need to think about it, were you ever in the military? I didn't think so. I wonder why??? Because Canada doesen't need to protect itself that's what we are for.Your military is like an security force with flashlights, I SEE YOU- Don't worry we got your back.

lmao yup u can think that

Why would I joke about The Great United States protecting North America and Europe for ever.

Originally Posted by toocoolforschool

Yea we take the same attitude when we dive into war to save your as@es too.

lmao ur kidding right?

Yea we take the same attitude when we dive into war to save your as@es too.

Originally Posted by OldSchoolMech

You mericans need some guidlines/standards in your HVAC industry. No one asked if school is a waste of time in canada because they need to complete to course so they have a G2 TSSA gas lic to work on and install hvac equipment. Most company won't even hire you as a helper unless you have atleast a G3 Gas Lic. It's a sad world that someone thinks schooling is a waste of time. The best piece of advise i got going into this trade was get as many certs and qulifacations geared towards this trade and you will always have a job.

To the OP go to school take as many courses as you can towards the career you want to be in I say it will do nothing but help you gain a lead on the other applicants

excatly what ever puts food on the table

From Durham region all the way to peel work for small shop go where the work is

mostly peel and halton region how about you?

Thats how I see it steve
Where in Toronto you work mostly? Downtown,missasuga,scarbrough,Durham region???

more school, more tickets, more career choices

You mericans need some guidlines/standards in your HVAC industry. No one asked if school is a waste of time in canada because they need to complete to course so they have a G2 TSSA gas lic to work on and install hvac equipment. Most company won't even hire you as a helper unless you have atleast a G3 Gas Lic. It's a sad world that someone thinks schooling is a waste of time. The best piece of advise i got going into this trade was get as many certs and qulifacations geared towards this trade and you will always have a job.

To the OP go to school take as many courses as you can towards the career you want to be in I say it will do nothing but help you gain a lead on the other applicants

being a helper for 6 months isn't cutting edge experience if you had 6 yrs as a lead school will show you how much you don't know about any field your in don't want to spread yourself too thin as "jack of all trades" ....and "expert at nothing"

No education will be wasted.

A high percentage of problems that you will encounter as a service tech are electrical in nature, so a strong understanding of control circuits and power supplies is necessary to be successful.