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  • 07-21-2009, 02:37 AM
    rojacman

    did u sayfree breakfast!!!!!!

    QUOTE=y7turbo;3953202]well its a few years old now, located in mokena.
    Its a little far to drive, but the classes are worth it. The list for the classes is going to be updated in august, so we all have to wait till then to sign up.

    I think they offer breakfast once a month or something for retired 597 members.. maybe you should look into that and take a tour of the training center if its something you want to see, its a nice place...[/QUOTE]....what time ,i'll be there , thanks for the info mr turbo.ive lost track of the no. of classes i've taken there and can't even begin to imagine how much extra i've earned over my career because of them. it has been a satisfying career , a few bumps along the way with some bad guys running some shops , but when you're well experienced and valuable you can usually tell em to go jump and be left alone . Pension deal isn't bad , for a few bucks a month u can have your wife insured to get your pension for life if u pass before her...........regards.......Jack
  • 07-21-2009, 12:34 AM
    y7turbo
    Quote Originally Posted by rojacman View Post
    ............the new training center ??? I retired b/4 i had a chance to see it......Jack
    well its a few years old now, located in mokena.
    Its a little far to drive, but the classes are worth it. The list for the classes is going to be updated in august, so we all have to wait till then to sign up.

    I think they offer breakfast once a month or something for retired 597 members.. maybe you should look into that and take a tour of the training center if its something you want to see, its a nice place...
  • 07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
    rojacman

    how is.........

    Quote Originally Posted by y7turbo View Post
    I dont know when duck season is, but i hope it gets super hot NOW. lol, im missing all the overtime i should be having during the summer. This year has been cold, well below average.

    I'm looking forward to the classes starting up again at the 597 training center..
    ............the new training center ??? I retired b/4 i had a chance to see it......Jack
  • 07-20-2009, 09:32 PM
    sidecarr
    getting sick of maint all summer ,hope I can still troubleshoot its been so long
  • 07-20-2009, 09:08 PM
    y7turbo
    Quote Originally Posted by sidecarr View Post
    it was 72 in the chicago area ,hope we dont get summer during duck season. all you 597 guys should reconise my avitar ,thats the trane sidewinder from the 597 school
    I dont know when duck season is, but i hope it gets super hot NOW. lol, im missing all the overtime i should be having during the summer. This year has been cold, well below average.

    I'm looking forward to the classes starting up again at the 597 training center..
  • 07-20-2009, 07:19 PM
    sidecarr
    it was 72 in the chicago area ,hope we dont get summer during duck season. all you 597 guys should reconise my avitar ,thats the trane sidewinder from the 597 school
  • 07-20-2009, 05:23 PM
    Chuck65
    Work Hard!!

    Work Good!!

    Live Better!!

    Work Union!!

    That is todays reply. Attic was very hot today. Gotta go get cleaned up.
  • 07-20-2009, 12:30 AM
    rojacman

    hi sidecarr......

    Quote Originally Posted by sidecarr View Post
    597 rocks , bull**** on the UA paying a lower wage for aprentaces ,I know non union guys that are great at what they do and have 20 + years in the field ,and dont make as much an hour as a first year apprentice ,because they dont want to join the Union and put the time in , I got in the UA local 597 and took all the classes they had 2 to 3 nights a week for several years ,and when they opened the new school I started to take the classes again, taken some of the classes 3 times . the cool thing about the UA is if you become an aprentice you go to school during part of the week and work with a contractor the rest of the week. and get paid for all your time ,if you get hired by a contractor because you have experince ,you have to take the classes on your own time but, all the Ua classes (in chicago area ,not sure of other areas) are free ,I worked as a nonunion service guy for 13 years b4 I found a place that got me in , during my nonunion time I payed for classes that came nowhere close to the quality of the union classes . Dan Holohan also has a great website. he also does seminars for the MCA in chicago twice a year cost us in 597 $25.00 for them , if you look at his sight his seminars are usually $125 + been to his dead men steam twice , his book lost art of steam heat is a must have
    .....I'm retired 597 and i've said the same thing in different posts almost word for word , where can u get to tear down and learn to service a centrifugal chiller for a small shop fee?? and all the other classes for a small shop fee . the time i spent in their classrooms paid me back in many ways. I never had a boring day in my career with the different stuff i worked on . (some cold shivery days in Jan & Feb on those huge rooftops though)....Jack
  • 07-19-2009, 11:01 PM
    jayhawker
    I started out in the union (1980), moved to another town for the apprenticeship after going to trade shool for two years. Did every thing they asked ,got let go when the foremans brother in law needed another job. He had no training and had been working in maintanance at a beef processing plant. If you want in,and want to stay in you better have a connection because when times get bad the "FNG" is going to get the ax over somebody with a legacy in that local union. Everybody will swear to you that its not true ,but it is. At the core its a fraternal organization and they will protect the people that helped buid it , and thats their right to do so.
  • 07-19-2009, 07:28 PM
    timebuilder
    Quote Originally Posted by bt84 View Post
    Is the UA a good union to join. Will they help me find a job since im unemployed and have No experience. If you know anything about them and would recommend or not let me know.
    Since you have read the books I recommended, I would encourage you to reflect that experience in your writing. All of it. How many errors can you find in your original post?

    A recent survey shows a high percentage of HR managers who find ONE error on a resume will place that missal in circular file #13.
  • 07-19-2009, 07:18 PM
    KevinCorr

    fun books

    I like Richard Russo. His newest one is Bridge of Sighs. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/books/24masl.html

    The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Chabon was the well deserved winner of the Pulitzer Prize for Lit in 2001.

    So many!!!!
  • 07-19-2009, 07:01 PM
    bt84
    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    There are a lot of HVAC books you could read, but they are not the books I'd recommend. Most of HVAC is truly a hands-on learning process, either in class or in the field. Very few people can pull technical information out of a book and successfully digest it into their memory and decision making processes. You need to be able to apply the information, or it is almost useless to you.

    For example, when I taught my college class in Instrument Flying, I could explain the effects of a turn on a magnetic compass, but almost no one would get that mental "light to go on" until they saw what happens in the actual aircraft. Sure, you can study the fundamentals until they are second nature, but that "eureka!" moment happens when you are in front of a unit that is misbehaving.

    Instead of limiting yourself to HVAC books, you can entertain yourself and grow mentally at the same time by reading some classic literature.

    As recently as the early 50's, most educated people had read the Bible, at least once. Most had read some Shakespeare, if nothing else, a scene from Hamlet or Macbeth. A good course in high school would have taught both of them. And, of course, Romeo and Juliet.

    Here are some of the classics I read from 7th to 9th grade.

    http://classiclit.about.com/library/...l-9th-read.htm

    I'd also throw in some John Steinbeck, such as Travels With Charlie, and for creepiness, Edgar Allen Poe's The Cask of Amontillado or The Telltale Heart.

    If you want to go deeper, try Homer's Odyssey or The Iliad. Both are excellent.

    Dickens, Austen, Bronte...there is so much more.

    Now, a lot of people will tell you that none of this is necessary. Carefully regard who it is that tells you that, and decide if you want to be that person, or someone with a little more going on "up there."
    Thank you for the advice on hvac books, I don't want to spend money if i don't have to. As far as the other books go I have read most of them and they are among some of my favorites. I am not some illiterate fool of a young man with no education. I love to read and do enjoy a great book so if you have any more books that you would recommend that would be greatly appreciated. And by the way The Cask of Amontillado is my favorite story ever.
  • 07-15-2009, 09:27 PM
    timebuilder
    Quote Originally Posted by bt84 View Post
    Can you suggest any good hvac learning books, I have completed tech school and would like to keep my education going. If you had any suggestions let me hear them. I also welcome any old fart advice that you are willing to give.
    There are a lot of HVAC books you could read, but they are not the books I'd recommend. Most of HVAC is truly a hands-on learning process, either in class or in the field. Very few people can pull technical information out of a book and successfully digest it into their memory and decision making processes. You need to be able to apply the information, or it is almost useless to you.

    For example, when I taught my college class in Instrument Flying, I could explain the effects of a turn on a magnetic compass, but almost no one would get that mental "light to go on" until they saw what happens in the actual aircraft. Sure, you can study the fundamentals until they are second nature, but that "eureka!" moment happens when you are in front of a unit that is misbehaving.

    Instead of limiting yourself to HVAC books, you can entertain yourself and grow mentally at the same time by reading some classic literature.

    As recently as the early 50's, most educated people had read the Bible, at least once. Most had read some Shakespeare, if nothing else, a scene from Hamlet or Macbeth. A good course in high school would have taught both of them. And, of course, Romeo and Juliet.

    Here are some of the classics I read from 7th to 9th grade.

    http://classiclit.about.com/library/...l-9th-read.htm

    I'd also throw in some John Steinbeck, such as Travels With Charlie, and for creepiness, Edgar Allen Poe's The Cask of Amontillado or The Telltale Heart.

    If you want to go deeper, try Homer's Odyssey or The Iliad. Both are excellent.

    Dickens, Austen, Bronte...there is so much more.

    Now, a lot of people will tell you that none of this is necessary. Carefully regard who it is that tells you that, and decide if you want to be that person, or someone with a little more going on "up there."
  • 07-15-2009, 09:12 PM
    heavymetaldad
    Quote Originally Posted by sidecarr View Post
    heavymetaldad said it, but let me add one more thing ,scale is min wage, you can negotiate for more, thing is if your over scale you better be good
  • 07-15-2009, 09:06 PM
    sidecarr
    heavymetaldad said it, but let me add one more thing ,scale is min wage, you can negotiate for more, thing is if your over scale you better be good
  • 07-15-2009, 09:03 PM
    heavymetaldad
    journeyman pay starts at 43.05. it goes wherever the agreement is made with the employer
  • 07-15-2009, 09:00 PM
    timebuilder
    Quote Originally Posted by KevinCorr View Post
    One of the best intro's to my specialty is Dan Holohan- Hydronic...Heat...

    http://www.heatinghelp.com/shopcart/...m?category=2-2

    Lots of other good books on that site too.

    I also agree 100% with timebuilder that you should get as much education as possible.

    John Prine said it best:

    So I'm sitting in a hotel
    Trying to write a song
    My head is just as empty
    As the day is long
    Why it's clear as a bell
    I should have gone to school
    I'd be wise as an owl
    Stead of stubborn as a mule.

    from- It's A Big Old Goofy World
    I had the pleasure of knowing Prine when he was a much younger man, and his voice was clear as a bell. It seems like a different life....
  • 07-15-2009, 08:59 PM
    sidecarr
    think the aprentices start at $18 or $19hr journeyman scale is $43.05 , most I made as a nonunion mech was $22hr and was one of the 2 top mechanics at the shop ,had 8 years at that shop the other top guy made $24hr and he had 42 years at that shop ,when I left there for a union shop the service manager said all I can offer you is $28hr ,I played it off and told him I guess I can probably get by on that. the other nice thing about the UA is your insurance is thru the union so you dont have to pay $500 month for crappy cobra insurance when you change jobs ,your insurance stay with you from job to job
  • 07-15-2009, 08:50 PM
    gasjourneyman
    My Pay for me has been the following

    Large Company - Non union

    1st year apprentice - 10hr
    2nd year- 12hr
    3rd year- 15hr
    4th year- 17hr
    1st year through 5 year as a non union journeyman - 19-22hr



    Union journeyman when i was hired - 30.45hr

    And now currently - 36.50hr
  • 07-15-2009, 08:14 PM
    sidecarr
    597 rocks , bull**** on the UA paying a lower wage for aprentaces ,I know non union guys that are great at what they do and have 20 + years in the field ,and dont make as much an hour as a first year apprentice ,because they dont want to join the Union and put the time in , I got in the UA local 597 and took all the classes they had 2 to 3 nights a week for several years ,and when they opened the new school I started to take the classes again, taken some of the classes 3 times . the cool thing about the UA is if you become an aprentice you go to school during part of the week and work with a contractor the rest of the week. and get paid for all your time ,if you get hired by a contractor because you have experince ,you have to take the classes on your own time but, all the Ua classes (in chicago area ,not sure of other areas) are free ,I worked as a nonunion service guy for 13 years b4 I found a place that got me in , during my nonunion time I payed for classes that came nowhere close to the quality of the union classes . Dan Holohan also has a great website. he also does seminars for the MCA in chicago twice a year cost us in 597 $25.00 for them , if you look at his sight his seminars are usually $125 + been to his dead men steam twice , his book lost art of steam heat is a must have
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