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Hey R12 maybe you should change your name to R12 Ruined. Sorry I just could not resist. But the fact that you put your issues out here is a good sign that your willing to listen and make changes. I think you will land on your feet and learn from this and grow. Talk to your old boss and see if he will give you an idea of where you need to improve and if your saying the wrong things to others (religion). Sounds bad but maybe a list of areas for improvement, I hope you do OK and I think you will.

Oh, and self evaluation is rediculous at best... it's the lazyness of a supervisor or boss to initiate this process. The light is on... or the light is off... your worth should be reflected by the effort you put into your work in the work world.

People lie to cover their asses. How many people involved in the self evaluation program ever said....

"Well, I try hard most of the time, but I find that I sometimes sneak a fitting out of the shop now and again, and stay on coffee break for six or fifteen minutes now and again. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention - I'm often lazy when we have to work extra hours.... you know... so that I get the overtime... I'm not all the productive, but I sure love those O.T. hours...."


The only active reason for 'self evaluation' is two fold. Lazy supervisors that don't see what you do anyway - so they don't have to lift a finger. Or a boss has you pegged, and want's to see what kind of Bull Shipper you are.

IMHO.

R-12, God's got your back.... she ain't gonna let you down. Keep the magic alive... you'll do well. Her plans are clear. Even though we don't always see what she's up to. But hang in there Bro.

Originally posted by gruvn
Another thread disappears, I'm beginning to think that this is an occult going on here.

It is and we are having a special punch with the first glass reserved for you

We will all be right behind you so don’t worry we even made it cherry flavor to help it go down

Originally posted by hvac_czar
Don't take the BS personally. There are other jobs and companies out there. Go easy on the "self evaluation". Did you think that maybe the low numbers were a slimeball way of justifying the layoff which is a very real component of new construction? Look in the mirror and repeat after me... "You the Man..." Repeat as needed.

http://gorillamask.net/youdaman.shtml

gruvn
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There, now. Isn't that better?

Another thread disappears, I'm beginning to think that this is an occult going on here.

Does that make swamp a homo?

Smells more like a mole.

Man did I take some bait.

I smell another rat.

R12,

I just noticed your signature, and it makes me wonder if maybe your religion at work played a role in you getting canned from your job. I have seen some people come to an organization and talk about their religion excessively and eventually lose their job because of it.Is this a possibility ?

Do any of you think like me when this post came up or am I just an a hole?

I think a similar alarm went off in my mind as has yours. That is why I responded as I did in my previous post under this topic. IMO I'm not sure the gist of my post was received...that is, character over circumstance...R12's reply appeared to dwell on the circumstance.

That being said, I'm not led to believe the man is a thief, or lazy, or incompetent. It could be he's a highly competent, diligent mechanic that somehow has a way of rubbing people the wrong direction that he hasn't fully become aware of, yet.

I believe this is Dowadudda's point, as it was mine. Youth is inherent with rubbing folks the wrong way and not being aware of it...until later. That's just it. Each person has to learn how they're doing it and then look inward to discover how to change. It can be hard. Ego is a bad bear to wrestle down. Even if it appears to be cloaked in humility (i.e. oh woe is me!). I've been down that road more than once.

In closing, it does suck to be laid off. So my sympathies are extended for that purpose. However, each setback is an opportunity to reassess and push on. Learn from each, strive not to repeat, knowingly. It's well known that victory often arises from the ashes of failure.

Dowadudda

As long as were making an attempt to be honest here. Then I will come clean also, I thought his entire story was just that, a story. What is he even talking about when he refers to material so often in his post, was there material that came up missing ?

And,Why the hell wouldn't you fill out your own evaluatin ? You let someone else fill out your eval, an eval that could be so critical to your employment !!!

That is a stupid thing to do for a responsible person. If I were your boss and asked for a self eval and you turned in something filled out by someone else I would let you go too for being an idiot.

The bottom line is you are either lazy, stupid,hard to work with,a thief, unresponsible, a liar or you just don't want to work. My hunch is that you are a selfcentered selfish person and that most of the last sentence does apply to you.

Give us a break and cough up with the real story, do you think we are stupid R12 ?

Listen, Darn it.

Quit bull$HITTING.

Something is not right. And until you answer yourself honestly, I won't think you credible.

Quit trying to spin this shit like it is poor old me crap. I have been there as I have said. In an earlier post I said for all you guys to see. And I know my former bosses lurk on here. I was the jack ass. I fully admit it. I am comfortable knowing that and attoning for those bad times. And I am glad I can tell you all. I was young, cocky, stupid, and should have had my but kicked many many times.

Listen, each and every one of you young guys in the trade coming up. You get no where with out laying down your cards. And admitting what the hell you don't know. There are a ton of guys in this feild, that need their but kicked, and also told they don't know squat. I know so many guys in my time so far that think their "that and a bag of chips" and they absolutley stink. I know. I was one of those ignorant idiots. I still hold my guns, and I'll call you a moron if I you deserve it, still haven't learned to keep my mouth shut, but what you see is what you get with me. And I aint going to sit here and let all this "pat on the back" crap go on with out saying something.

And for guys who say don't take a layoff personal, well thats construction guys talking. Lets be frank. And thats there mentality. Bob is a service guy. And all us service guys just don't get arbitrarily laid off at the end of a job unless your not right in someway. And that don't mean you can'T BE COMPETENT TECHNICLLY. You could be a genious, but somehow you did not fit the bill. And this is a trend with R12. Quit spinning this crap and be honest all of you.

As for Bob. No one gets canned 3 times now, in a year and a half unless there is something weird going on. I mean my god. As I understand it. 25 years plus refrigeration experience, In the hottest part of the country, self employed for a period of time back in the day, exudes leadership on the website here, there aint no damn way you can not get a job asap and stay there unless something aint right.

And I would love to know what it is.

Do any of you think like me when this post came up or am I just an a hole?

People dump. happens all the time, company probably did not make profit margin on job.

I was with an oufit once that let go of over 60 guys in three days a few weeks before X-mass. the company got a bad rep locally after that and never recovered, I also thought to myself I wonder if I should leave. about six years later the same oufit laid me off two days before X-mass, with a severence package of 4 GR, that took a lot of the sting out after 13 years with them.

My point being you and many others will always remember this outfit and they will only get garbage help in the future. what goes around comes around.

I Got A Good Place Here, Old Company Just Refrigeration....5% A/C, Year round work...Likes Old Timers....Here Is a Back Door E-Mail...Let Me Know.
ICEGUY@bluebottle.com

r12 rules

forgive me for butting in, i have seen your posts and although i don't corespond with you as some of the others do i just wanted to say; the bright side is you always seem to have jobs to be laid off from. could be a little off cue but for all the lay-offs there was a job.

one of my co-workers recently shared with me the rule of twenties!

at twenty you think everyones talking about you

at forty you don't care what they say

and at sixty you realize they were never talking about you in the first place.

point is don't take it to heart. it probably dos'nt have that much of anything to do with you at all.

my two cents hope its worth something to you.

All I am saying, with all of whats has been said and written, something don't add up here. Period.

It doesn't make any sense. I don't understand.

I can not possibly offer any more advice than I have.

I wish you luck. Again.

R12

Have you tried sales, you some to have excellent people skills maybe you should give sales a try ? It wasn't for me, but it may suit you.

something that I am just noticing... now that I am getting a better night's sleep.... I think differently.

I mean, I see some things a little bit differently than I did before.


That machine is just an appliance. It's not a new heart or soul.
It hasnt given me a replacement attitude on life.

It simply pumps air ... household air ... up my nose at night!



Where I'm going from here will be something to behold.
I look forward to the near future.



I jus felt that loyalty was of some value today in this industry.
That having a seasoned person around the younger guys would be of tremendous benefit to the company in general.


And I was wrong.



However, I take with me, the memories and experiences of this past season on the project.

I got to do some things that I havent had much opportunity to do in the past.


And that things which weren't so nice ... well .... life has it's moments. And I survived.




I guess one of the major drawbacks in my life, working for other people ... is that I view the job as a relationship.
And when they arent pleased, I feel like I am failing in my ability to make them happy.

Of course, this is a two way street.
If you hire someone and they are obviously not making the grade, in your opinion ... to your standards, it's up to YOU to say and do something to either motivate them or educate them or something.

But an employer cannot just sit on their butt and watch someone doing their best ... and still NOT get the work done ... your way!
You must take action.


Afterall ... people are NOT expendable!



in my opinion.....