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Well, that's been awhile, but definitely a case of suicide by mod (or admin). Some people can't behave themselves and the community is better without them.

As for me...I'll take a lot of crap. But I'm very protective of my mods and committee members, so the quickest way to piss me off is to disrespect them. I also don't like it when guests act nasty to our pros.

Having said...I tend to give people lots of chances. Hey, we all have bad days. But I do have my limits.

No big secret here, just be respectful of others and all will be fine.

Thanks. I had never seen that interchange before. I guess I better rein myself in from now on, eh? <g>

Ask and you shall receive 😃

Wow, this thread took a weird turn.

Remember Skills ?
That's one example of how it works although he actually attacked the big guy (Dad) 😮

What is that method? How does it work exactly?

Originally Posted by VTP99

I prefer the suicide by mod method much more entertaining ��

Rundawg not helpful hehehe that was a good one 🙄

I prefer the suicide by mod method much more entertaining 😀

Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey

Tell me what that means exactly. Did this guy subsequently Ask to be banned?

He asked to "unsubscribe" from this forum because he thought he didn’t belong here.

Because we don’t delete accounts, we just prevent them from logging on again (Ban them), and move their respective thread to a “Useless” file.

We also suggest that they can just not log on to this forum again, but few will go for that option.

Tell me what that means exactly. Did this guy subsequently Ask to be banned?

People are crazy and Times are strange.

People apply for Pro, fill out the entire application - and then never email in any documentation. WTF, over? Why bother doing one - knowing that you have to do the other - that you are not going to do?

And people friggin Argue with me about it - that they shouldn't have to document anything. I didn't Make the rules - it is what it is. AND you knew right from jump street what was required.

I just don't get it.

PHM
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Originally Posted by rundawg

Unfortunately he is gone - banned by his own request.

I wish he could have swallowed his pride and joined us on the PRO side.

He either was too proud to give in to our requests for documentation of his professional background, or he had something to hide - we will never know.

I hate the fact in this day and age, we are all so suspect of what others are asking of us. By nature we now always think there is some hidden agenda - truly sad!

Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey

Ban you? Oh please. <g>
We are very inclusive of others but we have to play by the rules as defined. Maybe you should start helping us help you by revisiting your profile information.

Unfortunately he is gone - banned by his own request.

I wish he could have swallowed his pride and joined us on the PRO side.

He either was too proud to give in to our requests for documentation of his professional background, or he had something to hide - we will never know.

I hate the fact in this day and age, we are all so suspect of what others are asking of us. By nature we now always think there is some hidden agenda - truly sad!

Ban you? Oh please. <g>

But Rundawg is correct. And he is being courteous. His helpful-ness ability however IS limited. This website disallows us from giving non-professionals information for doing things which require professional training to do. This is not arrogance or distain - it is a legal; a liability issue. The owners of this website are concerned for liability if someone untrained gets hurt by following directions obtained from members of this site.

Your profile says: Homeowner. Which seems like pretty 'non-professional' nomenclature. You labeled yourself as such and no doubt the guys here looked at your profile and took their cues from what you yourself labeled yourself as. Right?

And Yes; you Do need to expound on your qualifications - how else would anyone here know whether you are, or have been, a trained professional in this trade?

You will never find a better skilled or more helpful group than we have here - I am a pretty darned qualified guy and they humble me sometimes. If there is a better master-mind group than here I can tell you flat out that I have never found it - and I have looked long and hard.

We are very inclusive of others but we have to play by the rules as defined. Maybe you should start helping us help you by revisiting your profile information.

PHM
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Originally Posted by bjr23

To PHM
What do you think about this guys comment? He's not following site rules on being helpful/courteous. I've no need to expound on my background or cite my credentials, but I will give you a brief explanation of some of my experience. What I AM is a fellow past retirement age (but still working, just not in the residential HVAC trade) with considerable experience in marine industrial refrigeration (fishing on a catcher/processor and then HVAC on a oceanography ship. This was now 27 years ago, so yes, I'm a little rusty and things have changed considerably. I've never had access to Nitrogen testing equipment. So, some of this is a little new to me. Ban me from this site if you must. bjr23

Originally Posted by bjr23

To PHM...........What do you think about this guys comment? He's not following site rules on being helpful/courteous.
Ban me from this site if you must.

Tell me you are not reporting me to PHM?

Please do not be annoyed at us because we are following the rules that you agreed to when you signed up.

We will not pressure you to join the PRO forum; if that is not what you want, that is your choice.

There is also no need to "ban" you as long as you follow the rules.

Thanks for your understanding.

Originally Posted by bjr23

To PHM
What do you think about this guys comment? He's not following site rules on being helpful/courteous. I've no need to expound on my background or cite my credentials, but I will give you a brief explanation of some of my experience. What I AM is a fellow past retirement age (but still working, just not in the residential HVAC trade) with considerable experience in marine industrial refrigeration (fishing on a catcher/processor and then HVAC on a oceanography ship. This was now 27 years ago, so yes, I'm a little rusty and things have changed considerably. I've never had access to Nitrogen testing equipment. So, some of this is a little new to me. Ban me from this site if you must. bjr23

Whats your problem?
The site rules clearly state No DIY!, yet you continue to ask how to?
You want us to help prove you are or we’re in the trade then this can be moved to a closed secure area!

Originally Posted by rundawg

We hope you get to the bottom of this.

As a homeowner attempting a DIY repair, we will not be able to offer guidance in how to go about finding or repairing the leak.

To PHM
What do you think about this guys comment? He's not following site rules on being helpful/courteous. I've no need to expound on my background or cite my credentials, but I will give you a brief explanation of some of my experience. What I AM is a fellow past retirement age (but still working, just not in the residential HVAC trade) with considerable experience in marine industrial refrigeration (fishing on a catcher/processor and then HVAC on a oceanography ship. This was now 27 years ago, so yes, I'm a little rusty and things have changed considerably. I've never had access to Nitrogen testing equipment. So, some of this is a little new to me. Ban me from this site if you must. bjr23

Originally Posted by bjr23

I hoping the nitrogen testing will have enough pressure to find something.

We hope you get to the bottom of this.

As a homeowner attempting a DIY repair, we will not be able to offer guidance in how to go about finding or repairing the leak.

If the entire charge is leaking out in a week it seems like you should pretty much be able to Hear the leak. <g>

Or . . . . someone is stealing it - thinking it's R-22.

Another possibility is that it's not A leak but rather a bushel basket of tiny leaks. I would add fluorescent dye if it was me. The auto parts store kits are pretty cheap.

250 lbs should be enough but I know a guy personally, who shall of course remain nameless, who has gotten so pissed off looking for a leak that he slammed the pressure up over 500 lbs. <g> Pretty much on the 'find it or make it' logic I guess.

Are you pressure testing with the gauge hoses attached? If so; the leak may be right there at the access fittings.

PHM
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Originally Posted by bjr23

Okay, after maybe a week of messing around with it. Here's the update. The Small leak apparently is a big leak now, bye, bye 134a. When I evacuated it seemed to hold a vacuum, so I charged it. NOW, I've got some more tools on order. A Nitrogen test regulator; a flow test adapter and hose. I'll have just go to the local welding supply house and pay what ever for a small nitrogen cylinder. Then I'll pressure up to 200# (suggestions needed here as to what pressures to test at) and with some luck (good luck, I hope) and soap suds maybe find and repair the leak. In the past (two years ago when I changed out the compressor) I was all over the system with a electronic tester and soap suds and never found anything. I hoping the nitrogen testing will have enough pressure to find something. I've tried to talk to a couple of service techs and the one quote was $2000 for gas recovery; nitrogen test and refill with R22 with no repairs to be made and NO Warranty. I had to tell the fellow "Thank you, but I'll pass".

Okay, after maybe a week of messing around with it. Here's the update. The Small leak apparently is a big leak now, bye, bye 134a. When I evacuated it seemed to hold a vacuum, so I charged it. NOW, I've got some more tools on order. A Nitrogen test regulator; a flow test adapter and hose. I'll have just go to the local welding supply house and pay what ever for a small nitrogen cylinder. Then I'll pressure up to 200# (suggestions needed here as to what pressures to test at) and with some luck (good luck, I hope) and soap suds maybe find and repair the leak. In the past (two years ago when I changed out the compressor) I was all over the system with a electronic tester and soap suds and never found anything. I hoping the nitrogen testing will have enough pressure to find something. I've tried to talk to a couple of service techs and the one quote was $***** for gas recovery; nitrogen test and refill with R22 with no repairs to be made and NO Warranty. I had to tell the fellow "Thank you, but I'll pass".

Pricing is not allowed by forum rules. Please refrain from adding them to your posts.

The date i was looking at was a post by mr r134a in 2005. My mistake, sorry. It was the same topic.

I didn't call to price an R-410 AC condensing unit (to use with R-134) but I did just get a quote on a high temp R-134 indoor refrigeration R-134 condensing unit. And the price was about double what I imagine the R-410 condensing unit would cost. The refrigeration condensing unit uses about 3HP to produce about 19K BTU's.

Despite the fun-value I don't really see much utility in building an R-134 AC system. If you have to modify an existing AC system to correct someone else's errors it makes sense. But to do it just to be able to run R-134? At 200% of the purchase price and at least 150% of the operating cost? I'm not that interested.

At least doing the 410-to-134 conversion you end up with a 200% sized condenser coil. <g>