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Maybe we are turning gay somehow, too much talk about tools, work and guy stuff can do that to ya.

Why did that come out in italics?????

All I did was hit the quote.

Did you drink lunch today, Dice????

Originally posted by Diceman

[i]Originally posted by condenseddave [/
But I didn't really have anyone with any common sense stopping me from doing anything dangerous or stupid for about the first five years.

What about now? [/B]

I've got people to stop me, I just don't pay any attention to them...

[i]Originally posted by condenseddave [/
But I didn't really have anyone with any common sense stopping me from doing anything dangerous or stupid for about the first five years. [/B]

What about now?

Originally posted by condenseddave

R12, this came easy to me from day one. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Alright, I lied.

But I didn't really have anyone with any common sense stopping me from doing anything dangerous or stupid for about the first five years.

Originally posted by baltazar
i.v been in the field for 2yrs res & little commercial i,v indstalled plenty of resedentiol units, but i was resently asked if i could install a beer/coke cooler, reach-in, the box is already set up thay need the evaparates ,4 of them,pvc drain, compress, look like a package unit and god knows i'v worked on them , i found severa names of the unit , larkin,bohn, bangor, i thoutht to my self how the does this go, my brther is a electrition doing work for a 7/11 i asked if i could look at his coolers he said oky pretend you'r my helper, found to look about the same with a much larger candeser unit but the uint was outside the store in the back the unit i'm looking at looks like the candeser goes on top of the unit, i'v worked for sears and did plenty of refregerters , the desire temp is about the same 38f and i work with 22freon all day , however the label said 12 freoan how can i find if it's been change to a difrent type of refrigerant? anyway i think i could do this with you guy.s help by the way how much do i charge her ,any adive will be aprecaited

What the heck is a candeser? And a refregerator? Please. please, I'm begging you slow down...your giving me a headache...

Originally posted by Diceman
Hey Dave, did he want to take you to see The Crying Game?

Bridges of Madison County, of all things!



R12, this came easy to me from day one. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Mentor or Contractor? Either one will help you. There are many contractors who will not teach you the right things. Remember choose wisely, no matter which one you pick.

Hand holding discouraged.

When you price this job, make sure you got pay enough to cover for steaks, movies and dont forget couple sixpack for every one on this site

The School of Hard Knocks ... we all attended to some degree or another. Dave, your no exception.

When I got my feet wet in this industry ... I knew enought to be dangerous.

It was an old fart who kept me from harm.
And he required movies every week. And a steak now and then.


He was a little rough around the edges, but he sure taught me what I lacked from school.


Maybe that guy who wanted to take you to the movies ... wanted to hold your hand as well?


maybe not ......

you'r absulitly right, i will hire a guy with a condition to walk me throu and teach, now why didn't i think of that. in fact i know a guy , thanks aging i'll keep you posted 'diceman'

Hey Dave, did he want to take you to see The Crying Game?

Some guy offered to take me to a movie,

In exchange for refrigeration info, I'd be inclined to think he was running in the wrong lane of the highway.

Maybe getting hired on with a small contractor that needs someone who can learn and has some background might be in order here.

Hey Baltazar .... what kind of HVAC/R screen name is that?

Okay... here's the advice.... find an old fart who will walk you thru this job.
Listen to his every word. Do exactely as he instructs you.
Pay him more than he asks for.
Buy him a steak. Take him to a movie.
If he eyes a neat little tool at the supply house when your BOTH in there buying for this project ... buy him his new toy.

Write down what he tells you for job cost and what he recomends for the project to cost the end user.

Have it in writing what you are attempting to do for this customer and have them sign it.
Get money up front in stages based upon completion of specific portions of the project. Oh ... and do it as best you can.



I have never touched a working jet engine. However, if I had a seasoned Mentor right beside me, I wouldnt hesitate to embark upon tearing into that engine.
Your doing the same thing here. Use the services of a Mentor who will walk you thru.

Not talk you thru. WALK you thru! There's a major difference. DO NOT learn this the hard way!

409-A is a good drop in, good luck, I think you're gonna need it.

what exactly do you need help with?
if you are not familiar with the whole job, start to finish, let someone experienced do it, it is too complicated to explain all the piping, controls, etc. in detail on this post, without having seen what you are doing, esp. when you have 4 evaps., do you even need 4?
what size is this box? and you can get yourself into a mess, and then try to collect!!!

i.v been in the field for 2yrs res & little commercial i,v indstalled plenty of resedentiol units, but i was resently asked if i could install a beer/coke cooler, reach-in, the box is already set up thay need the evaparates ,4 of them,pvc drain, compress, look like a package unit and god knows i'v worked on them , i found severa names of the unit , larkin,bohn, bangor, i thoutht to my self how the does this go, my brther is a electrition doing work for a 7/11 i asked if i could look at his coolers he said oky pretend you'r my helper, found to look about the same with a much larger candeser unit but the uint was outside the store in the back the unit i'm looking at looks like the candeser goes on top of the unit, i'v worked for sears and did plenty of refregerters , the desire temp is about the same 38f and i work with 22freon all day , however the label said 12 freoan how can i find if it's been change to a difrent type of refrigerant? anyway i think i could do this with you guy.s help by the way how much do i charge her ,any adive will be aprecaited