WalMart queen?

[RoBoTeq]

Hillary Clinton served on the board of directors at WalMart for six years? A board that was vehemently anti-union?

The Clintons travelled at least the documented 14 times on a WalMart corporate jet during Bill Clinton's campaigning in Arkansas?

As recently as 2004 Hillary Clinton spoke highly of her time with WalMart. And now; Hillary is returning a $5,000 contribution from WalMart siting that their policies do not coincide with hers? What policies....the ones that only donate a measley $5,000?

[mattm]

Great Robo. Now you're gonna piss off all the Nascar watching Wal-Mart shopping hillbillies on this site for bad mouthing their lesbian bi-sexual ex queen.

[smokin68]

Walmart donating 5 grand is like you donating a penny(not even). They both suck,so they have something in common.

[RoBoTeq]

The point here is not about the $5,000. I would think that was more of a deliberate insult from WalMart then anything else.

What is amazing is that Hillary desperately needs the unions support and yet she was a major player in the unions primary focus of attention right now.

Just how bad is Hillary going to have to change her views of the company she sat on the board of commisioners for in order to keep from looking bad to the unions?

Hillary has admitted having done absolutely nothing about labor, wage or benefit issues during the six years she sat on the board for WalMart. Along with Bill, she also wooed, wined and dined Sam Walton while he was still alive.

In essence, Hillary Clinton was an active contributor to the actions taken by WalMart to build it into the company it is today. No WalMart labor stances have changed since the time that Hillary was a member of the WalMart board of Commisioners.

[smokin68]

Wal-mart has got their monopoly going. They are a known union buster. Their payscale and benefits are low class.It just depends where you're at at the time. When the idiot was on the board, all of the above played in her interest. Now, all of the above would instantly alienate her from the Democratic party. Good post. I hope it makes the front page so they disregard her once and for all as a candidate.

[RoBoTeq]

Union buster? What are you talking about? WalMart is being attacked by the unions, not the other way round. The unions are the ones that cause trouble and use gestapo tactics till they either get their way in extorting business's or succeed in destroying that business.

[smokin68]

Union buster. The butchers here at walmart in Florida tried to form a union, Walmart responded by laying off every butcher and outsourcing their meats, which lead to crappy quality.They now have butchers again since they destroyed the union organisation,not even letting it go for a vote(must have been afraid).

[hvacpope]

For all those peoples outhere,that think this site is falling apart, atleast we agreed on something, "the democracts suck donkeys balls and labor unions...........I dont know what to compare them lazy sonsabeaches with.

[rob10]

When have you cared about the unions. GW just lost a muitimillion stipend from UAE. At least Walmarts is homegrown and doesn't breed terrorists.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by rob10
When have you cared about the unions. GW just lost a muitimillion stipend from UAE. At least Walmarts is homegrown and doesn't breed terrorists.

Can ya tell rob's infatuated with Hilary? Now he feels compelled to defend her.

[rob10]

BOOT!! Have been for a awhile!! :D

[RoBoTeq]

RoBo defying unions...now there's a real surprise, eh? And Rob10 accuses someone else of being slow?

And Rob10 still cannot see how stupid he sounds when he makes up crap like President Bush had anything to personally gain by the Dubai port deal. What an ignorant putz. So I guess when a company like Halliburton winds up with the contract because Dubai has been denied the oportunity, the the Rob10s of the world will be saying that VP Cheney made the deals. I only wish our political leaders had that much pull in the world.

It sure looks like the President was right about defending the Dubai/port deal now that the Arab nations are calling foul and saying that it is obvious that the U.S. does not really want to be allies with Muslim nations. It appears that President Bush is a lot smarter then even those of us who support him thought he was. I was against the Dubai deal, but now I see the genius that was behind the Presidents defense of Dubai. Hell, even Israel supported the Dubai deal.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by smokin68
Union buster. The butchers here at walmart in Florida tried to form a union, Walmart responded by laying off every butcher and outsourcing their meats, which lead to crappy quality.They now have butchers again since they destroyed the union organisation,not even letting it go for a vote(must have been afraid).

Here is an example of a union:

You pay the neighbor kid $20 bucks to mow your lawn.
5, 6'2" thugs come to your door and say you have to hire 4 neighbor kids and pay them each $40 bucks or they don't work. You say fine I'll mow it myself, and they say if you do we break your kneecaps, burn down your house and kill your dog. Technically you're still free to choose broken kneecaps.

Union in a nutshell

[smokin68]

Here is an example of a union:

You pay the neighbor kid $20 bucks to mow your lawn.
5, 6'2" thugs come to your door and say you have to hire 4 neighbor kids and pay them each $40 bucks or they don't work. You say fine I'll mow it myself, and they say if you do we break your kneecaps, burn down your house and kill your dog. Technically you're still free to choose broken kneecaps.

Union in a nutshell


I see your view of a union has been brainwashed into you.I'll just give you a definition of big business to go along with your union definition.
You pay the neighbor kid $2 to push mow your 8 acre tract. The kid says," I really think this job is worth more than this",to which you reply, too bad,that's what I'm paying,and I want it done in 8 hours also.You better get going before I hire the illegal alien down the block for $1.Oh,and if you send your dad over to negotiate,I'll pave my 8 acres and there will be no grass.

Big Business in a nutshell.As rediculous as your definition of a union.

[conrad1]

Originally posted by skrewt

Originally posted by smokin68
Union buster. The butchers here at walmart in Florida tried to form a union, Walmart responded by laying off every butcher and outsourcing their meats, which lead to crappy quality.They now have butchers again since they destroyed the union organisation,not even letting it go for a vote(must have been afraid).

Here is an example of a union:

You pay the neighbor kid $20 bucks to mow your lawn.
5, 6'2" thugs come to your door and say you have to hire 4 neighbor kids and pay them each $40 bucks or they don't work. You say fine I'll mow it myself, and they say if you do we break your kneecaps, burn down your house and kill your dog. Technically you're still free to choose broken kneecaps.

Union in a nutshell
You have been watching entirely too much sopranos or you just like to show your ignorance.It is quite obvious that you know absolutely nothing about the union.

[RoBoTeq]

While both scenarios are far fetched, Skrewt's scenario is much closer to the truth and one that I completely oppose.

As for smokings scenario; what's the problem? Does the owner of the property not have the right to negotiate the price for the job or to pave his own lawn if he wants to? Well; according to unions.....no, he should not have the right to make his own decisions about his own property.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by conrad1

Originally posted by skrewt

Originally posted by smokin68
Union buster. The butchers here at walmart in Florida tried to form a union, Walmart responded by laying off every butcher and outsourcing their meats, which lead to crappy quality.They now have butchers again since they destroyed the union organisation,not even letting it go for a vote(must have been afraid).

Here is an example of a union:

You pay the neighbor kid $20 bucks to mow your lawn.
5, 6'2" thugs come to your door and say you have to hire 4 neighbor kids and pay them each $40 bucks or they don't work. You say fine I'll mow it myself, and they say if you do we break your kneecaps, burn down your house and kill your dog. Technically you're still free to choose broken kneecaps.

Union in a nutshell
You have been watching entirely too much sopranos or you just like to show your ignorance.It is quite obvious that you know absolutely nothing about the union.

You sir are deluded. Just try to cross a picket line sometime. Especially that of the UAW, IBEW or IUOE.
You will come to physical harm.

[conrad1]

that is because crossing a picket line is just like stealing a mans tools and people who cross picket lines are kind of like the illegals in this country instead of staying and fighting for a better country for their people they want what someone else fought for.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by conrad1
that is because crossing a picket line is just like stealing a mans tools and people who cross picket lines are kind of like the illegals in this country instead of staying and fighting for a better country for their people they want what someone else fought for.

You want an ass whooping? Just try to stop me from working because you have a gripe with your employer pal.

This is just the kind of bullcrap that has to be stopped.

[smokin68]

[/B][/QUOTE]

You want an ass whooping? Just try to stop me from working because you have a gripe with your employer pal.

This is just the kind of bullcrap that has to be stopped. [/B][/QUOTE]



Then you also have no problem with other legit contractors "low-balling" your job bids to get your work right?

[conrad1]

Well that is a given that he does not mind lowballers he used to be a goodman rep who became the #1 unit sold in america not becuse of quality but because of the avilability to unlicensed hacks and lowballers. and the whoopin was not directed neccessarily as a threat to anyone just an observation that every now and then one is needed.

[acmanko]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Union buster? What are you talking about? WalMart is being attacked by the unions, not the other way round. The unions are the ones that cause trouble and use gestapo tactics till they either get their way in extorting business's or succeed in destroying that business. If it was not for Unions you'd be illegaly entering Mexico now.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by smokin68


You want an ass whooping? Just try to stop me from working because you have a gripe with your employer pal.

This is just the kind of bullcrap that has to be stopped. [/B][/QUOTE]



Then you also have no problem with other legit contractors "low-balling" your job bids to get your work right? [/B][/QUOTE]

That is called fair competition and it is what the United States was built on.

[kim]

Robo, If you were running for office in Arkansas, wouldn't you suck up the the biggest wallet in the state. That wallet would take you a long way in a national champaign as well.

Now lets say you leave the hicks in Poedunk, AR and become a big city liberal. Why carry all that baggage? All your new friends hate your old money bags. What's a politician to do? SELL-OUT to the people that can buy her the most votes today.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by conrad1
that is because crossing a picket line is just like stealing a mans tools and people who cross picket lines are kind of like the illegals in this country instead of staying and fighting for a better country for their people they want what someone else fought for.

What I sincerely do not understand is this: If you're not happy with your employer, why not go somewhere else? It would achieve the same effect as picketing only you get more money. Right? Or am I wrong?

I guess I was raised differently. I was told that if you're not happy where you're at go somewhere else.

[conrad1]

That is cute ED now back to class, the little yellow bus is coming for you soon,because you are special

[skrewt]

Originally posted by conrad1
That is cute ED now back to class, the little yellow bus is coming for you soon,because you are special

Don't tell me, let me guess.

You're a Union steward aren't you.

[evildberg]

Skrewt,

Would you rather work next to someone who is willing to fight to protect your rights, pay, etc. even if it means that they may take a cut in pay while they are on a picket line?


or.......


Would you rather work next to someone who just went into the bosses office and talked a bunch of s**t about you, stabbed you in the back and is concirned only with the well being of themselves?

They got a pay raise out of it though so its cool right?

[skrewt]

Originally posted by evildberg
Skrewt,

Would you rather work next to someone who is willing to fight to protect your rights, pay, etc. even if it means that they may take a cut in pay while they are on a picket line?


or.......


Would you rather work next to someone who just went into the bosses office and talked a bunch of s**t about you, stabbed you in the back and is concirned only with the well being of themselves?

They got a pay raise out of it though so its cool right?

Obviously the first choice, however, that being said. I have been part of unions and I find more back stabbers in the Union than in non-union.

Basically I don't believe it is the "right" of any employee or group of employees to tell the business owner how much he or she will get compenstated. It is however, your right not to work there if it's not enough.

[skrewt]

classic example of Union brethren support

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060127/AUTO01/601270377

[dec]

Originally posted by mattm
Great Robo. Now you're gonna piss off all the Nascar watching Wal-Mart shopping hillbillies on this site for bad mouthing their lesbian bi-sexual ex queen.




Nascar watching Walmart shopping hillbillies.......hummmm that must be me. naaaaa SCREW HILLARY and the democrats

[evildberg]

Thats a little extreme if ya ask me but I can see where they are coming from on the Fords only policy. The equal to that in this industry would be you working for "X" HVAC company and showing up for work in you work vehicle with a huge sticker saying I support "Y" company. It doesn't make sense.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by evildberg
Thats a little extreme if ya ask me but I can see where they are coming from on the Fords only policy. The equal to that in this industry would be you working for "X" HVAC company and showing up for work in you work vehicle with a huge sticker saying I support "Y" company. It doesn't make sense.

So one of the criteria for a worker at the Ford plant is that they should either already own a ford or sell whatever car they have and buy a ford prior to working there.
Actually I don't care what Fords' policy is on it, the real story is the Union brothers vandalizing non-ford cars.
This is true Union loyalty and respect. The Unions have a strict policy. "I love you to death, as long as you think like I do and tow the union line" Kinda like Islam, believe like I do or be beaten into submission.

[evildberg]

Skrewt,

Lets just get it out here on the table right now. Why do you hate unions? What experiance did you have with unions that made you hate them so much? I just want to know.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by evildberg
Skrewt,

Lets just get it out here on the table right now. Why do you hate unions? What experiance did you have with unions that made you hate them so much? I just want to know.

1.) One picket line and all trades stop working regardless who has the beef

2.) As a member of a Union I watched the absolute dregs of Human waste continually screw the employer with the help of the Union. For example, we had one guy who was continually verbally abusive to everyone around him even his supervisor. They attempted to fire him a couple times but each time there was a hearing and he was reinstated with back pay. One day he threatened to kill the secretary that handled payroll. Again he was fired, this time he was nearly reinstated again except he lost his temper during the hearing and began swearing at the arbitrator. That was what it finally took to get rid of this piece of filth. Through this whole thing I had to listen to lameasses like you tell me to "support our union brother".

3.) While working for a Union, nothing bothered me more than having to settle for the same raise as everyone else, even the lazy ba##tards that screwed up every job and caused the rest of us to work harder.

Unions are basically a little microcosm of Communism and basically I hate limp wristed pinko communists.

[re2ell]

Originally posted by skrewt

Originally posted by smokin68
Union buster. The butchers here at walmart in Florida tried to form a union, Walmart responded by laying off every butcher and outsourcing their meats, which lead to crappy quality.They now have butchers again since they destroyed the union organisation,not even letting it go for a vote(must have been afraid).

Here is an example of a union:

You pay the neighbor kid $20 bucks to mow your lawn.
5, 6'2" thugs come to your door and say you have to hire 4 neighbor kids and pay them each $40 bucks or they don't work. You say fine I'll mow it myself, and they say if you do we break your kneecaps, burn down your house and kill your dog. Technically you're still free to choose broken kneecaps.

Union in a nutshell

Have you ever considered writing script for 'Saturday Nite Live'? this is funny material

[homeownerplus]

It just seems like unions have no loyalty towards the companies they are paid by, but the companies are loyal to the unions.

When a specific union is unsatisfied they strike and refuse to work despite all of the checks each worker has collected from that company. When a company is unsatisfied with a union what happens? The company bends over even further and hands the union a jar of vasaline.

Many unionized companies are trying to increase profits by spending less money in materials and quality of the product. Instead they should be looking at the leech(union) attached to their business bleeding them dry.

If you own your own business would you cover most major medical, offer company paid pensions, retirement accts, weeks of vacation, plus cover $75/hr. No you would probably keep looking and hire help who works harder and doesn't demand more than the company can afford.

[acmanko]

So, you own your own business and charge , for example 120.00 per hour for your service and you want to hire labor as cheap as you can so more of it goes in your pocket. So you can have a 7 bedroom Mansion and your help lives off of food stamps and in a trailer park. Damn if we dont need another French Revolution and have your type hanging from the nearest tree.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by acmanko
So, you own your own business and charge , for example 120.00 per hour for your service and you want to hire labor as cheap as you can so more of it goes in your pocket. So you can have a 7 bedroom Mansion and your help lives off of food stamps and in a trailer park. Damn if we dont need another French Revolution and have your type hanging from the nearest tree.

So you would create a world where there were no jobs at all. It is only FAIR that the person assuming the liability, fronting the money and risking his reputation be the one that take the lions share of the profits.
You go invest your money in a business, buy the insurance, lease the space and put your name on the trucks and then "SHARE" evenly with the guy you hire off the street.
Until you do that, "SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN!"

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by evildberg
Skrewt,

Lets just get it out here on the table right now. Why do you hate unions? What experiance did you have with unions that made you hate them so much? I just want to know.

Aside from costing our country a lot of unnecesary money to operate our government, sabotaging projects that merit shop workers work on to the point of having killed workers, telling otherwise free Americans that they cannot work because the unions are not able to extort as much money as they want, causing entire industries to shut down and export labor...I don't know....maybe we are just getting a little picky.

I had to oportunity to work union when I was 17. One of my grand uncles was the general supervisor of a large mechanical contracting company and could have got me in the union as well as the union apprenticeship programs. At the time, 1972, unions were picketing work being done on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Due to union sabotage of cranes four steel workers were killed. While it was proved and confessed to that union bosses had paid union workers to sabotage the cranes, no convictions were made. Why? Maryland is a closed state. I could never be affiliated with such scum.

http://www.nrtwc.org/fuva109.pdf

It's so bad that even the government that keeps unions alive had to pass a bill about the issue.

[Edited by RoBoTeq on 03-17-2006 at 12:13 AM]

[evildberg]

I said it before and I'll say it again. There are always a few bad apples who tend to spoil it for others as there is in anything. You get rid of unions and you and me both end up making squat with no benefits if you have a job. At that point its cheaper for your contractor to hire a guy off the street and pay him $10 an hour to take over your "costly" position.

There are those out there who work non-union and think that they earn their pay rate 100%. Not at all true. If unions didn't exist there would be no need to create an incentive for you to work at the non-union shop. In this area hourly wage is $34 plus benefits. So if all the non-union shops are paying $18 an hour where do you think all the people are going to be working? You get rid of the unions and ther no longer is an incentive for the non-union shops to compensate you properly. If you think that these shops are going to keep paying their current rates if unions didn't exist anymore, you couldn't be more wrong. The only time this isn't true is in certain areas of right to work states. In this case nobody makes any money in the trade anyway. Don't believe me? Compare the wages of these areas to other parts of the country and see for yourself.

So once again, rip on unions all day long here thats great, keep it up. Maybe someday you will get your wish and there won't be anymore unions, then all of us can have the pleasure of making next to nothing on the check, awesome.

I know if that were the case I wouldn't have any problem finding a job because any one of our union members holds more licences, certifications and training credentials than 95% of the non union sector here.

These may be different times than the old days of unions as was previously stated but the idea of protecting the wages and rights of workers across the industry is still very much alive today and I hope I never live to see the day that it ends.

I'm sorry to hear that it pisses you off so much and is such a big inconvienence for you to have to step on the toes of the workers who are picketing a job for everyones rights and wages. As you cross the picket lines with a care for nobody but yourself. One day you will be the guy getting screwed and there won't be anyone there to help you out.

Companies can stil make a profit and treat their workers fairly.

There is a lot of loyalty to contractors and the B.S. about trying to constantly screw over your employer is crap. What incentive do I have to screw over my contractor and get fired for it or just plain have to work in a place of employment that hates me/us? You could say pay but pay isn't important when you work for someone who doesn't get along with you and you hate your job.

If union contractors profits were so slim and we were breaking their backs then why do union contractors constantly offer bonuses, extra kickbacks for getting acounts, standby pay, on call pay and other perks for the service guy? Because they want to get and keep the best guys on their payroll. If we were so overpaid and costing them so much they wouldn't be able to afford these type of things.

So when it was previously stated that you hate to see your fellow brother next to you who you think doesn't deserve a pay raise getting one that is the same as yours, and think that there is no incentive to go above and beyond your normal job description, there is a system for that. Its called the guy with the poor atitude and work abilities doesn't get any extra bonuses and gets to sit on the bench for months while he thinks about it and watches his fellow brothers working.

Its so horrible to get a pay raise every year and stay way above the non-union sector pay. I "have" to have it dictated to me, man I really hate it. I'd much rather go into my bosses office and waste a whole bunch of time slandering my fellow coworker and kissing my bosses a** to get one, that would be a much better system. Maybe after I got my $.5 raise I could aks him about giving me benefits too. Though for some reason I don't think I could convince my non-union boss to give me dental, medical, vision, chiropractic, vac. fund, pension, pension supplement, death benefits to my family and full coverage to my family also.

I've got sevral buddies that I went to my tech college schooling with and none of them have licences or aditional education past that point. The non-union sector here is more of a learn as you go system so if you get stuck with a shop that does HVAC maintainance, thats all you know. There's a reason why we are required to get all the aditional schooling, licences and training and it is so that we are as well rounded education wise and licencing wise as possible. If we were to get stuck in a shop for while doing the same work we can go out and work somewhere else and be prepared to not only service all types of equipment but also be licenced to instal piping, equipment, wiring, controls and systems of all types. And I don't have to screw around writing up a resume for it.

[skrewt]

So when it was previously stated that you hate to see your fellow brother next to you who you think doesn't deserve a pay raise getting one that is the same as yours, and think that there is no incentive to go above and beyond your normal job description, there is a system for that. Its called the guy with the poor atitude and work abilities doesn't get any extra bonuses and gets to sit on the bench for months while he thinks about it and watches his fellow brothers working.

Its so horrible to get a pay raise every year and stay way above the non-union sector pay. I "have" to have it dictated to me, man I really hate it. I'd much rather go into my bosses office and waste a whole bunch of time slandering my fellow coworker and kissing my bosses a** to get one, that would be a much better system. Maybe after I got my $.5 raise I could aks him about giving me benefits too. Though for some reason I don't think I could convince my non-union boss to give me dental, medical, vision, chiropractic, vac. fund, pension, pension supplement, death benefits to my family and full coverage to my family also.

I've got sevral buddies that I went to my tech college schooling with and none of them have licences or aditional education past that point. The non-union sector here is more of a learn as you go system so if you get stuck with a shop that does HVAC maintainance, thats all you know. There's a reason why we are required to get all the aditional schooling, licences and training and it is so that we are as well rounded education wise and licencing wise as possible. If we were to get stuck in a shop for while doing the same work we can go out and work somewhere else and be prepared to not only service all types of equipment but also be licenced to instal piping, equipment, wiring, controls and systems of all types. And I don't have to screw around writing up a resume for it.

It is quite obvious that you have never (or at least recently) worked non-union.
I am non-union and make 20% above the union compliment. I have better benefits and perks.

The guy you suppose sits on the bench is usually the guy that gets all the extras because he has "seniority" and then they have to bring in a second guy with him cause he doesn't do the job.

Your delusion and mindF#$K is complete with your believe that the Union is doing some kind of holier than thou work protecting everybodies pay and benefits.
50 years ago some of what you say was true, however, Unions have long collapsed under the weight of their own corruption. Market shifts have made it impossible for a company to compete in the US if they don't pay well.

You act as if unions are the cornerstone of the world and without them all society would collapse. Some day you will wake up. That day will come when your Union brethren screw you out of your job by making a deal with your company to increase wages at the expense of reducing the work force.

At that time you can put peanut butter on your union card and see how good it tastes.

[evildberg]

Actually I have skrewt (worked non-union) It aint even close. Had no licences, no extra training, nothing.

Not sure what part of the country you are talking about, must be somewhere in a right to work state that you work in . Anywhere I've seen, wages don't compare.

I'm also willing to bet you don't have any licences. I'm right aren't I?

[RoBoTeq]

Amazing! You spew out the term "right to work state" with no respect for the American freedom connentations that are expelled from these very words. In contrast, the term for unionized states is "closed shop state" which really conjures up images of seclusionism.

Virginia is a Merit Shop (right to work) state, and there is no lack of high paid, well trained persons in Virginia.

[jacob perkins]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Hillary Clinton served on the board of directors at WalMart for six years? A board that was vehemently anti-union?

The Clintons travelled at least the documented 14 times on a WalMart corporate jet during Bill Clinton's campaigning in Arkansas?

As recently as 2004 Hillary Clinton spoke highly of her time with WalMart. And now; Hillary is returning a $5,000 contribution from WalMart siting that their policies do not coincide with hers? What policies....the ones that only donate a measley $5,000?

ignore um and they'll go away

[skrewt]

Originally posted by evildberg
Actually I have skrewt (worked non-union) It aint even close. Had no licences, no extra training, nothing.

Not sure what part of the country you are talking about, must be somewhere in a right to work state that you work in . Anywhere I've seen, wages don't compare.

I'm also willing to bet you don't have any licences. I'm right aren't I?

I have worked in 7 states, I have 2 licenses and 27 certifications, all paid for by non-union companies.
I have had non-union jobs pay for everything from a commercial drivers license to my microsoft certifications.
I have attended countless schools in several states, all paid for by non-union shops.

You are clueless and naive.

[evildberg]

How many of those licences are HVAC related? I'm pretty sure a drivers licence isn't.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by evildberg
How many of those licences are HVAC related? I'm pretty sure a drivers licence isn't.

I've migrated careers throughout my life, however, you didn't specify that you were limiting the argument to HVAC related unions.
To be truthful, all but 5 are HVAC related.

[RoBoTeq]

I would like to reiterate that I have nothing against someone who does whatever they can put up with to make more money. After all; that's what Capitalism is all about.

People working under union constraints in order to better themselves are just taking advantage of an oportunity, and there is nothing wrong with doing that.

The problem comes in with people justifying how unions are destroying our labor force and driving business's out of the country that makes me want to barf in the faces of defenders of unions.

The bottom line is that unions cost money that is passed on to the consumer and cause business's to not be able to compete. Unions also stifle diversity in the workforce and create attitudes of "us vs them" in business's where everyone should be striving to achieve the same goal of producing quality products. Unions create workers who are more loyal to the union then they are to their employer, and that is never a good thing.

[evildberg]

Skrewt, I'm not trying to be an a** just trying to get you to hear my side of the issue thats all. I read pages and pages of union bashing on this site everyday. I'm not dumb I realize that I am far outnumbered being that I am in a HVAC union. Do I have some problems with unions? sure I do. Do I have some problems with people that constantly bash unions? sure I do. Doesn't make your side of the issue any more valid than mine. just true in your case and true in my case. I'm not going to debate this issue anymore on this thread because it isn't going to acomplish anything productive.

[re2ell]

Originally posted by evildberg
Skrewt, I'm not trying to be an a** just trying to get you to hear my side of the issue thats all. I read pages and pages of union bashing on this site everyday. I'm not dumb I realize that I am far outnumbered being that I am in a HVAC union. Do I have some problems with unions? sure I do. Do I have some problems with people that constantly bash unions? sure I do. Doesn't make your side of the issue any more valid than mine. just true in your case and true in my case. I'm not going to debate this issue anymore on this thread because it isn't going to acomplish anything productive.

Was a member of Plumbers and Steamfitters/Refrigeration Division, Local 440, Indianapolis. Good organization!

[skrewt]

Originally posted by evildberg
Skrewt, I'm not trying to be an a** just trying to get you to hear my side of the issue thats all. I read pages and pages of union bashing on this site everyday. I'm not dumb I realize that I am far outnumbered being that I am in a HVAC union. Do I have some problems with unions? sure I do. Do I have some problems with people that constantly bash unions? sure I do. Doesn't make your side of the issue any more valid than mine. just true in your case and true in my case. I'm not going to debate this issue anymore on this thread because it isn't going to acomplish anything productive.

Don't give up so easily, you and your union buddies haven't broken windows in my house or vandalized my car yet.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by evildberg
I said it before and I'll say it again. There are always a few bad apples who tend to spoil it for others as there is in anything.

My post did not show a "few bad apples". The government does not make a nationwide law because of a "few bad apples".

Violence is a tool that is utilized by unions and it is a policy of the unions to use violence when other methods of intimidation are not working. That is NOT a "few bad apples". THAT IS BAD POLICY!