Time To Leave Iraq

[geerair]

Le Moyne/Zogby International Poll of U.S. Armed Forces serving in Iraq:

72%- Get out of Iraq before the end of this year.

29%- Get out immediately

22%-Within 6 months

[tonys]

52% can't find i-crack on the map of the world.

...so what's your point with all this popular-poll stuff?

[skrewt]

It is a good thing wars aren't fought by popular opinion or democratic vote.
3 years of negative press and propaganda would ensure that we lost every war we ever fought.

[geerair]

Originally posted by skrewt
It is a good thing wars aren't fought by popular opinion or democratic vote.
True, but when 72% of those fighting a war say it is time to leave, pissing on the fire is the next step.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by skrewt
It is a good thing wars aren't fought by popular opinion or democratic vote.
True, but when 72% of those fighting a war say it is time to leave, pissing on the fire is the next step.

Gee, geer. Could it because we're at the point of being able to leave by the end of the year?

[jodimart]

Geer,
Have you ever served in the armed forces?

[bootlen]

:D:D:D

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
Gee, geer. Could it because we're at the point of being able to leave by the end of the year? Well, let's look at your question:

There are 0 Iraq battalions able to carry out operations without U.S. support.

Most Iraq battalions are under equipped, poorly trained, have low morale and are infested with insurgents.

Violence in the past few days have left horrendous numbers of Iraqis dead.


Sectarian conflicts are rising with the country sliding rapidly towards civil war.

Violence is flaring in the formerly peaceful areas of Southern Iraq.

Able to leave? The evidence says no.

[geerair]

Originally posted by jodimart


Geer,
Have you ever served in the armed forces? No. 4F during Vietnam era.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen
Gee, geer. Could it because we're at the point of being able to leave by the end of the year? Well, let's look at your question:

There are 0 Iraq battalions able to carry out operations without U.S. support.

Most Iraq battalions are under equipped, poorly trained, have low morale and are infested with insurgents.

Violence in the past few days have left horrendous numbers of Iraqis dead.


Sectarian conflicts are rising with the country sliding rapidly towards civil war.

Violence is flaring in the formerly peaceful areas of Southern Iraq.

Able to leave? The evidence says no.

U-u-u-h. March 1 is not the end of the year on my calendar. How's about yours?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by jodimart


Geer,
Have you ever served in the armed forces? No. 4F during Vietnam era.

Frontal lobotomy, an'all that.

[zzonko]

Geer,
Have you ever served in the armed forces?

Well I have, honorably and without precondition or prejudice

http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/zonko/images/11.jpg

And having served or not is not a condition for speaking out against something one believes in.

Geer is right. This war has gone on long enough. There are more terrorists now by a factor of x than when we started.

If you dont like what I am saying then you can KMA.

America protects the rights of the minority, (and I believe our next national poll in November will change the balance of power in this country) If the draft dogding gang that cant shoot straight doesnt bring armageddon down on us first.


[Edited by zzonko on 03-01-2006 at 04:09 PM]

[bootlen]

Pfffft.

[zzonko]

Same to ya boot

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
U-u-u-h. March 1 is not the end of the year on my calendar. How's about yours? [/B]Well, lets see Bootie.

We are three years into this thing,

The violence and killing are increasing

Iraq is in chaos

The insurgency shows no signs of abating

Our soldiers are still being killed and wounded daily

The Iraqi armed forces are still unable to fight on their own

The police forces are largely ineffectual and riddled with insurgents

Civil war is likely to break out at any time.


Now if we are at this point after three years, what evidence do you have that points toward a resolution of these crises in a meager nine months?







[Edited by geerair on 03-01-2006 at 04:25 PM]

[bootlen]

Nah. Not true. Deal with it.

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
Nah. Not true. Deal with it. What specifically is not true Boots?

The violence and killing thing? 30 more Iraqis were killed today. Over 200 have been killed in just the past few days. Bombings are occuring daily.

Chaos? I expect you haven't read your paper lately.

Insurgency? Pentagon reports the insurgency is increasing in numbers and attacks


Our soldiers being killed and wounded daily? Sadly, this month's average was over 2 killed per day. Many.many more wounded.


Iraq battalions? Pentagon report and numbers.


The police? Again Pentagon report

Civil War? This is what Civil war looks like.

[bootlen]

Yup. Ol' cut'n'run geer.

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
Yup. Ol' cut'n'run geer. So specifically, what is not true in my post?

[bootlen]

Taken in context? ALL of it.

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
Taken in context? ALL of it. Whatever way you want boots. Have at it. I can't wait to see your supporting evidence.

[bootlen]

Time. Time will tell.

Hehehehe.

[geerair]

Originally posted by geerair
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bootlen
Taken in context? [B]ALL of it. What would be your version of context in which these facts are wrong?

[phxurs]

*Well ugh… we freed the people

* The had WMD (but that’s a secret were they HID them-but we know they had ‘em because Rush said so)

*We got all there oil (yea right its all fools oil- nothing is free! if you believed that one, I got a bridge over the Tigris river for sale)

*They are paying for this (war) themselves (just need a trill + tell payday)

*We built more stuff -5 star schools, electric plants (so they can blow up more stuff)

*We give them chocolate candy, and they give us flowers (just watch out for those IED-mixed in)

Note * okay I cant lie, I tried there talking points, walked in there shoes, As Jesus would have wanted me too do! But S*** cant think of one truth (lie that works) – reality sucks and You (repup’s lost Iraq) now you need to declare we won and get the F***k out and we will fix it, when were in power later. Just like will have to clean up everything you (fill in your name here.RNC) fouled up. Piece (through strength) out.

[skrewt]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen
U-u-u-h. March 1 is not the end of the year on my calendar. How's about yours? Well, lets see Bootie.

We are three years into this thing,

The violence and killing are increasing

Iraq is in chaos

The insurgency shows no signs of abating

Our soldiers are still being killed and wounded daily

The Iraqi armed forces are still unable to fight on their own

The police forces are largely ineffectual and riddled with insurgents

Civil war is likely to break out at any time.


Now if we are at this point after three years, what evidence do you have that points toward a resolution of these crises in a meager nine months?

[Edited by geerair on 03-01-2006 at 04:25 PM] [/B]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/city.htm

Here is a list of All the major cities in Iraq.
How many on the list have you heard being mentioned in the news?
2 maybe.
Just because the press focuses on the blood doesn't mean there is anything other than localized problems.
Seems that the only real problem areas are with Sunni population centers.
There is no boogie man in your closet geer, get a good nights sleep.

[James 3528]

Originally posted by zzonko

Geer,
Have you ever served in the armed forces?

Well I have, honorably and without precondition or prejudice

http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/Members/zonko/images/11.jpg

And having served or not is not a condition for speaking out against something one believes in.

Geer is right. This war has gone on long enough. There are more terrorists now by a factor of x than when we started.

If you dont like what I am saying then you can KMA.

America protects the rights of the minority, (and I believe our next national poll in November will change the balance of power in this country) If the draft dogding gang that cant shoot straight doesnt bring armageddon down on us first.


[Edited by zzonko on 03-01-2006 at 04:09 PM]

Less than 30% of Americans supported the American Revolutionary War. Next election will change things? Yeah right. Americans think Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Barb Boxer (noted big mouths who never served) are gonna make things better . Yep, Wahobie Muslims will all take up landscaping when that happens, No more hurricanes either.

[tonys]

and, Bush-e can do no wrong.

apparently

[cascader]

We will always be involved in the oil producing countries affairs,for we will predominately use fossil fuel another 25 years or so untill we have paved all the available needed and conquered "Mother Earth".

[geerair]

Originally posted by skrewt

Here is a list of All the major cities in Iraq.
How many on the list have you heard being mentioned in the news?
2 maybe.
Just because the press focuses on the blood doesn't mean there is anything other than localized problems.
Seems that the only real problem areas are with Sunni population centers.
There is no boogie man in your closet geer, get a good nights sleep. [/B]Mentioned in the news? Several. Mostly the main population centers. See sckrewt, most of the Iraq population and what passes for the national government reside in a few cities. As such, the sectarian violence involves a massive majority of the Iraq population.

However, in one sense you are correct; a vast portion of uninhabited desert remains relatively peaceful.

[tonys]

Plaintiffs say Air Force recruiters told to use religion as tool
By Patrick O'Driscoll, USA TODAY

A vocal critic of Pentagon policies on religion in the ranks filed court papers Thursday alleging that an Air Force recruiter in New Mexico was asked "to use Jesus Christ as a recruiting tool."

Michael "Mikey" Weinstein, a 1977 graduate of the Air Force Academy, filed suit against the Air Force in federal court in Albuquerque last October. Weinstein and four other plaintiffs allege illegal proselytizing by evangelical Christian chaplains, officers and cadets at the Air Force Academy and throughout the service.

The plaintiffs - including one of Weinstein's sons who is an Air Force officer - filed a motion Thursday to amend the lawsuit, challenging the Air Force's "interim guidelines" on religious expression issued last month.

The latest filing seeks to add another plaintiff, Master Sgt. Phillip Burleigh of Alamogordo, N.M., a 24-year veteran. It alleges that Burleigh, an Air Force Reserve recruiter at Holloman Air Force Base, "has been subjected to regular and persistent proselytizing by his superior officers" against his will and "in violation of his constitutional rights."

Burleigh could not be reached for comment. The filing says his problems began in 1997 with "aggressive proselytizing" by his supervisor and lower performance ratings than colleagues who attended prayer groups and church.

Pentagon spokeswoman Jean Schaefer wouldn't comment on the filing, but said the Air Force is "committed to having an environment for everyone to practice or not practice their faith."