Homeland security just got dumber

[rob10]

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060218210909990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Special Ed]

It is a cause for concern, I'll give ya that.

[RoBoTeq]

Lets face it, if we want to screw something up; let the government do it. It doesn't matter what party or what administration is in power, the government can and will screw things up because we the people allow it to happen.

[MadeinUSA]

Yeah, this is going to be real interesting to watch all the idiots in Congress to see how they deal with this.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Yeah, this is going to be real interesting to watch all the idiots in Congress to see how they deal with this.

What do you mean? The real idiots are from the Bush administration.

There is no limit to there incompetence. Amazing, just amazing.

[geerair]

Yeah, all you can do is shake your head at such incompetence and the dimbulbs here that cheerlead it.

[Special Ed]

Geer, if you're so smart, why don't you run for Pres.?

[geerair]

Originally posted by Special Ed
Geer, if you're so smart, why don't you run for Pres.? Couldn't afford the cut in pay.

[bootlen]

Whoever first suggested an Arab company taking over our ports should be removed from office, forcibly if necessary. It has got to be one of the stupidest ideas of all time.

Even if the Arab company did a great job, even if they passed all the necessary checks, even if they were conservative in American political persuasion, this will cast a huge negative light on the current administration.

[acmanko]

The light has always been shining negatively, only now its been turned up a notch and more people can see the light.

[bootlen]

There has been just 1 issue that W and I are at odds on...Mexican border. And now, if he supports this, there will be 2 issues.

[acmanko]

Well, we don't need a GD wall running from LA to California.

[bootlen]

I never said we do.

[acmanko]

well what else is there about the mexican border?

[bootlen]

Not sure I understand your question.

[acmanko]

You said the only issue you had with Bush was the Mexican border, what are you talking about.

[bootlen]

W has taken no action to prevent undesirables from entering the US. I said "Mexican border" but it applies to all our borders. It's just that there is a rampant influx in the SW of good and bad alike. There is really not a lot of forthcoming info from Canadian border or the sea ports, which I am sure is also a problem, but likely to a lesser degree. Mexico is just too easy.

The Border Patrol is way undermanned. Does that mean we should use the NG as a supplement? I don't pretend to know the answer to that but something definitely should be done to make it more difficult for the enemy to infiltrate.

Of course, it may be moot by this time. That is my greatest fear.

[acmanko]

I believe you should look fear in the eye, overcome it and deal with whatever might happen when it happens.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by acmanko
I believe you should look fear in the eye, overcome it and deal with whatever might happen when it happens.

Yup. Yer right. I do. I will likely purchase a couple of weapons in the not too distant future and get a CCW. A shotgun for home and an ankle holstered pistol. Not what I want to do but certainly beats one of the possible alternatives, no?

[royc]

Whats realy sad about this port take over story is, that everyone is alarmed at how such a small percentage is checked for possible WMD.

The real question should be, why are there so many containers with products comming in, and so very few going out.


Roy

[otto]

This is from The Chicago Tribune

By BEN FELLER
Associated Press Writer
Published February 21, 2006, 4:10 PM CST

WASHINGTON -- President Bush said Tuesday that a deal allowing an Arab company to take over six major U.S. seaports should go forward and that he would veto any congressional effort to stop it.

The Senate's Republican leader had promised just such an effort a few hours earlier, and the House's top Republican called for "an immediate moratorium" on the deal.

"After careful review by our government, I believe the transaction ought to go forward," Bush told reporters who had traveled with him on Air Force One to Washington. "I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great British company. I am trying to conduct foreign policy now by saying to the people of the world, `We'll treat you fairly.'"

[maxster]

CNN just had a report from the Port of Baltimore,and they said they X-RAY all the containers but only open 6 out of every 100 to inspect contents.

[tonys]

...and, the decision on which containers get open lies with the port managers.

what's next...leave the management of the airports to terror-sponsoring countries as well?

ohhhh, sure. the 'security' is handled by the $10/hour unionized security 'team'...but, who has the keys to the locks on the doors at these ports of entry?


Q. for Jimmy-8675309...
Is it STILL ALL GOOD for G'Dub'YA?

[James 3528]

Originally posted by tonys
...and, the decision on which containers get open lies with the port managers.

what's next...leave the management of the airports to terror-sponsoring countries as well?

ohhhh, sure. the 'security' is handled by the $10/hour unionized security 'team'...but, who has the keys to the locks on the doors at these ports of entry?


Q. for Jimmy-8675309...
Is it STILL ALL GOOD for G'Dub'YA?



There is not a lock on a container that comes into a American port that US Customs does not have a key to. This may give a clue to how much you actually know on the subject.

Got another question?

[RoBoTeq]

President Bush is not always very forthcoming in properly explaining his decisions to the public. He needs to do a lot more selling to get me on board with this one.

I have to agree with Baltimore's Mayor Martin O'Malley who stated that "no foreign concern should have authority over an American port." This means the British concerns that President Bush mentioned as well as a German, Japanese or Arab concern.

If the President really has a good reason to want to go through with this, he really needs to explain it better.

[James 3528]

It was a wrong move and a bi-partisan effort is in place to stop it and it will be.

[acmanko]

I have to go along with Mr. Bush on this one, they get to operate Ports maybe we get Military Bases in return. More importantly, maybe Bush knows some stuff that ordinary people don't. He does have access to priviledged information that is 99.9999999999% correct.

[rob10]

GWs Social Security reform. He never knows when to leave a good thing alone.

[phxurs]

America for sale – This is not just some private company (BUT A STATE)
You got to ask if this goes through – then what next airports? Border posts? How about private (or state) company running the war (ops sorry already doing that in a large part)…this stuff will go on when your (are) country is in debt? To UAE? China? (China tried to by are Oil company-Bush barley said two words on that one) wake up sheepal.- your (US) for SALE.

[acmanko]

America has always been for Sale, we are capitalists, selling and buying, that's what we do.

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by tonys
...and, the decision on which containers get open lies with the port managers.

what's next...leave the management of the airports to terror-sponsoring countries as well?

ohhhh, sure. the 'security' is handled by the $10/hour unionized security 'team'...but, who has the keys to the locks on the doors at these ports of entry?


Q. for Jimmy-8675309...
Is it STILL ALL GOOD for G'Dub'YA?



There is not a lock on a container that comes into a American port that US Customs does not have a key to. This may give a clue to how much you actually know on the subject.

Got another question?

Actually, they use a small plastic seal similar to a zip tie to ensure that the container is sealed. A broken seal, means a detention of the container and it is searched and compared to it's bill of lading.

[tonys]

Originally posted by James 3528
It was a wrong move and a bi-partisan effort is in place to stop it and it will be.



the locks were used as a metaphor, not-really-college-boy.
And, THANKS for admitting to the error.

"a wrong move" could have been prevented if G'Dub'Ya ACTUALLY READ some of the crap sent to him, instead of listening to sweet-nothings in his ear from his 'associates'.

Making a deal with a TERROR-SPONSORING COUNTRY???
WTF, Jimmy8675309...WTF

to bring it down to your level...
LOL
LOL
LOL

...LOL!

[tonys]

Originally posted by acmanko
America has always been for Sale, we are capitalists, selling and buying, that's what we do.

does that include a national security 'sale item' to a 'company' run by a Persian Gulf (oil and gas rich...oooops there's a familiar theme) government that
a) helped in the transfer of nuke-tech. to Iran via Pakistan
b) helped in the transfer of money for the 9/11 terrorists (2 of which originated from there)
c) does not recognize Israel as a state...but, certainly doesn't want anything to do with those nutty-palestinians (who would).

is THAT your form of Walmart-anything-goes-Capitalism???

[acmanko]

A deal is a deal

[tonys]

And, a terrorist collaborator is just a plain terrorist.


..what ever happened to "with us, or against us"?

was that a 'deal'...offered or implied?

[James 3528]

Originally posted by tonys
And, a terrorist collaborator is just a plain terrorist.


..what ever happened to "with us, or against us"?

was that a 'deal'...offered or implied?

There is no evidence that the country itself sponsored terrorism. Take a pill Tony, you and Rob make great "idiot filler" and don't mind exaggerating to the point of lying but we have plenty of that already.

[tonys]

"According to FBI reports, two of the September 11 hijackers were from UAE, and in several instances, money used to fund the attacks was wired from the UAE to several of the hijackers."

source: Newsday.com

[tonys]

"June 25, 2001: Hijacker Fayez Banihammad opens a bank account in Dubai, United Arab Emirates (UAE), with 9/11 paymaster "Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi." That name is a likely alias for Saeed Sheikh, who is known to frequently visit Dubai in this time period.

...Visa cards are given to several other hijackers in Dubai. Other hijackers, including Hani Hanjour, Abdulaziz Alomari and Khalid Almihdhar, open foreign bank and credit card accounts in the UAE and in Saudi Arabia."


source: 9/11 commission.

[tonys]

"The hijackers send money to and receive money from a man in the United Arab Emirates who uses the aliases "Mustafa Ahmed," "Mustafa Ahmad," and "Ahamad Mustafa."
This "Mustafa" transfers money to Mohamed Atta in Florida on September 8 and 9. He sends the money from a branch of the Al Ansari Exchange in Sharjah, UAE, a center of al-Qaeda financial dealings."


source: 9/11 commission.

[tonys]

"Mid-1996-October 2001: In 1996, Ariana Airlines, the national airline of Afghanistan, is essentially taken over by al-Qaeda and becomes the transportation for an illegal trade network. Passenger flights become few and erratic; instead the airline begins flying drugs, weapons, gold and personnel mostly between Afghanistan and the United Arab Emirates (UAE)."


source: that crazy 9/11 commission, again.

[tonys]

You're telling ME to take a MO-FO PILL, jimmy8675309?

How about that crack-pipe-smok'n prez,
that will do ANYTHING for his oil-rich buddies, and agree to a deal for managing ports-of-entry into the US with a 'country'

(w/ completely 7th century idealogy and ways-of-life...I know this first had, because my firm deals with an office in the UAE, and they would be much more comfortable paying you with chickens than good old fashion CASH)

that financially supports terrorists and has ALWAYS been a collaborator.


...come-on, Jimbo...With Us, or AGAINST Us.
...no middle-ground with that polarizing view of the world, RIGHT?

or, are there special exceptions??? hmmmmmmm.

[bootlen]

Tony, W has some tough decisions to make. The UAE is one of the few Arab countries who are our allies in the war on terror. To deny them this contract will jeopardize that alliance.

But it would also be a very bad political move (domestically speaking) to hire an Arab country to run any of our ports...and particularly if what you say is true UNLESS the UAE has stopped all the illegal trafficking. Do we have any info on that aspect?

[tonys]

Once again - apologies...All around, boots.
(disgusting!!!)

the White-House is sub-contracting the PORTS of the United States of America to a company operated by a Government who supports and sympathizes with people willing to kill innocent civilians, in support of their own fundamentalist/wacko views.

period.


if he wants to promote trade...let them make a oil - for -erection pills deal.
they could use them over there to hump a few more sheep.

[James 3528]

Maybe you should split the little pill in half?

[tonys]

contradicting hypocrite

[tonys]

''My belief is that the president... and others have adequately cleared the Dubai government organization to manage these ports. I don't think there's any particular threat to our security.''
-- Former President Jimmy Carter

[bootlen]

Originally posted by tonys
Once again - apologies...All around, boots.
(disgusting!!!)

the White-House is sub-contracting the PORTS of the United States of America to a company operated by a Government who supports and sympathizes with people willing to kill innocent civilians, in support of their own fundamentalist/wacko views.

period.


if he wants to promote trade...let them make a oil - for -erection pills deal.
they could use them over there to hump a few more sheep.


Does the UAE still support terrorists? Or have they taken measures to stop that support? People can change and UAE may be one nation that has changed. I'm just asking.

If they have taken all possible measures to stop support of terrorism, the they are a true ally and we need their help, particularly with military bases as well as intel.

If they are back stabbers, then absolutely we need to tell 'em where to get off.

[maxster]

UAE just put in a $10 BILLION dollar order for new aircraft with BOEING day after this happening,no doubt a plus for the american economy...http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3549/groupportarabs0il.gif

[James 3528]

I don't agree with the port crap, but if that cartoonist had drawn 22 sinister blacks and the deal was with a African country there would have been..............who am I kidding, he wouldn't have.

[rob10]

Your BRAINDEAD hero of a prez finally showed his true colors. 10 to 1 he got his pockets lined with some ARAB petro dollars. The righties are finally showing that they are all a half a bubble off!! HILLARY 2008 YES :D YES :D YES :D !!!!

[rob10]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/

[James 3528]

Thought you said the rightiest are a half a bubble off? Looks like they are fighting it.



Looks like you and Titless have one more brain cell than a parade horse.

Which keeps both of you from $hitting in the streets on Thanksgiving and St Patricks Day.

[Edited by JAMES 3528 on 02-22-2006 at 08:38 PM]

[rob10]

A reference to you, boot, special ed, chillbilly, and a cast of a hundred more here on this site!!

[James 3528]

I said I did not agree with it, Trigger.


Did you take a extra stupid pill?

[RoBoTeq]

So, as it turns out, the President didn't even know about this deal.

Seems that President Bush learned of this deal after it hit the newspapers so there is little chance that there is any conspiracy for him to be lining his pockets with anything.

It also appears that the Dubai company will not be responsible for security issues as the media has hyped it to be.

This deal went through the proper channels and was approved without fanfare. The only reason President Bush is now involved is because of the whoopdela that has been created by opponents of the Federal government.

[oloenneker]

I dont really see what all the hoopla is really about... If you are concerned about foreign nations controlling our ports, you have another thing coming... They already do. What state owned companies control most of the west coast ports??? CHINA!!!
So whats the differnce with an Arab state owning a few ports here in the good olde USA? There are really no US companies willing to run these ports. So where is the problem?

The real problem is that the US ports have been under foreign control for a LONG time... and the real shame is that US companies are not in control of the ports.. But that is another post in it self...


So you are afraid that an Arab state want sto make some money importing stuff to the US...You are all afraid of Terrorists and National Security. I feel your pain. But in reality how is it any differnt from the Chinese running our ports?

The security is done by Americans. The Stevedoring is done by Americans. The trucks and Trains levaing with the goods are American. The Ships go through the USCG inspections. The only thing that is unsecured is the containers them selves.. And even there there is a level of security (seals and compromosed shipments etc. that always get scruitinized regarless of who the shipper is) that make it safe as well..


The real scandal in all of this, is that it's not Americans that are in the shipping business...If we where, this would never be an issue...

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by rob10
A reference to you, boot, special ed, chillbilly, and a cast of a hundred more here on this site!!

Dude, you have some real issues.... I said I didn't agree with the move either. And, no, I don't think President Bush is receiving a stipend to make sure the deal goes through.

Rob, you need to get off the Viagra & take a Valium.

[James 3528]

ditto, nothing but a forum idiot now.

[bootlen]

Exactly right, ole. Like I said, W has some tough decisions to make. We need the alliance with UAE. I ask again, has UAE stopped support of terrorist activity? If so, it is not a big deal except in the mind of the American voter.

I don't think it is a bad thing for UAE to run our ports, per se. But given the international situation, it is a bad move politically to set up that deal at this time but a good move for relations with an Arab nation whose alliance we need.

W is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

All this is beside the fact we can't find an American company to run the ports. I'd like to know what the heck THAT is about.

[tonys]

Bush: 'People don't need to worry about security'

President Bush today defended his administration's decision to allow a company from an Arab country to operate six major U.S. ports, saying, "People don't need to worry about security." Next month, Dubai Ports World is set to finalize a $6.8 billion purchase of the British firm Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which manages the six U.S. ports, which includes New York and Miami, Florida

[James 3528]

Tonys

Which side of the spying on conversations out of the Middle East were you on?

[tonys]

if "ahmed", who's been an American for all of 5-minutes makes numerous late night phone calls from somewhere in Dayton, Ohio...to let's say...Riyad, Saudi Arabia.
>>> it may be a good idea to tap-his-line now and again.


similar to...checking into FBI field reports that a group of 3 "middle eastern men" are taking flight training lessons in Arizona (no landing and take-offs necessary)


ya'know what I'm talk'n about?



[Edited by tonys on 02-23-2006 at 01:45 PM]

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by James 3528
Did you take a extra stupid pill?

Actually, James, it would probably be a good idea if he took a stupid pill.... Maybe it would make him smarter (but I doubt it).

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by tonys
the six U.S. ports, which includes New York and Miami, Florida

The count's now up to 8, to include Corpus Christi & New Orleans.

[rob10]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
So, as it turns out, the President didn't even know about this deal.

Seems that President Bush learned of this deal after it hit the newspapers so there is little chance that there is any conspiracy for him to be lining his pockets with anything.

It also appears that the Dubai company will not be responsible for security issues as the media has hyped it to be.

This deal went through the proper channels and was approved without fanfare. The only reason President Bush is now involved is because of the whoopdela that has been created by opponents of the Federal government. Threatening VETO to the last straw. Him and the rest of his cronies are in their last 1000 days. They are gonna sell this country to the highest petro dollar bidder!!

[RoBoTeq]

The president just got the news of this transaction, checked it out, it turns out that all of the proper channels have been checked into.

If the sale is stopped only on the basis of the company being owned by Arabs, this will send a very powerful message to the world that the U.S. really is anti-Arabic and not just fighting terrorism. This is really a bad thing for international commerce.

Despite even how I feel about Arabs owning America, it appears the Predident is showing the best way to handle this situation.

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by bootlen
Exactly right, ole. Like I said, W has some tough decisions to make. We need the alliance with UAE. I ask again, has UAE stopped support of terrorist activity? If so, it is not a big deal except in the mind of the American voter.

I don't think it is a bad thing for UAE to run our ports, per se. But given the international situation, it is a bad move politically to set up that deal at this time but a good move for relations with an Arab nation whose alliance we need.

W is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

All this is beside the fact we can't find an American company to run the ports. I'd like to know what the heck THAT is about.


Right.. And is an important decesion to make... Do we allow these people to own a FEW docks or do we ostracize them on the basis of them being Arabs???

It's a slippery slope.

Is it a national security issue? Perhaps not. Perhaps the perception is, that it is.. Us commoners do not really know..

All I know, is that UAE is an ally of the USA. The USA has major USAF bases in UAE. The US Navy has major bases in UAE. If they are that slippery, why are they our ally?

Sure a few of the 9/11 terrorists where from nations in the UAE. Sure the UAE hid monies that finded Al queada, et al. But then again, the same could be said about Switzerland ( minus the terrorists home lands etc.)...

What makes me mad, is that the Bush Admin cannot tell us (commoners we are) why this is a good deal, and that Bush will veto any congressional deal regardless... His way or no way!! thats called a Dictatorship.... And thats Un American!!!

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
The president just got the news of this transaction, checked it out, it turns out that all of the proper channels have been checked into.

If the sale is stopped only on the basis of the company being owned by Arabs, this will send a very powerful message to the world that the U.S. really is anti-Arabic and not just fighting terrorism. This is really a bad thing for international commerce.

Despite even how I feel about Arabs owning America, it appears the Predident is showing the best way to handle this situation.

I must have a fever.. I am gonna check that out... But I must say.. I agree with you on that point....


Since when did you Bush cheerleaders really care what "other countries thought " regarding the USA????

I always thoughht your mantra was "America; fuk yeah!!!"... Feeling a little PC??? Hmmm.... How tables turn....

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by oloenneker
Bush will veto any congressional deal regardless... His way or no way!! thats called a Dictatorship.... And thats Un American!!!

So if the qualifying factor for being a dictator is simply using the veto option (which is allowed by the Constitution), what does that make every other President in history?

[tonys]

UAE was one of the FEW countries in the world that 'recognized' the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

...they've got some serious, yet predictable, muuuslim fanatic issues over there.

Don't be fooled...but, then again G'Dub'Ya was re-elected.
so, that says alot.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by oloenneker
Bush will veto any congressional deal regardless... His way or no way!! thats called a Dictatorship.... And thats Un American!!!

So if the qualifying factor for being a dictator is simply using the veto option (which is allowed by the Constitution), what does that make every other President in history?

Ya gotta remember, Ed. This guy is an engineer and dirties his sandbox.

[Special Ed]

Ah, I get it. So you're saying I'm throwing my pearls before the swine?

[bootlen]

Sump'm like that.

[tonys]

wait a second, boots.

who is the P.E. that you are referring to...?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by tonys
wait a second, boots.

who is the P.E. that you are referring to...?

Didn't you make it clear that you have an engineering degree?

[James 3528]

He made it clear he was The Wizard of Oz

[tonys]

o.k.

it seems that your previous post indicated a reference to "oloenneker"
that' all. nothing to see here...

carry-on, soldier.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by James 3528
He made it clear he was The Wizard of Oz

Engineer...Wizard of Oz. All the same.

[bootlen]

Must be playin' with his G.I. Joe.

[tonys]

Is it safe to say that BOTH you and Jimmy8675309 are turtle’n over this latest Bush-Admin Fiasco?

1) G'Dub'Ya didn't even read the report before he supported the move
2) the 'committee' set-up to do the review spent 1-day on it (note: they are not even qualified to do a security review - just financial/legal aspects of the contract)
3) UAE is a loosely formed country (7 primative Tribes that come together to form a 'country' just because the rest of the world did and the British recommended they do so..."
4) UAE has the SAME problem with religious fanatic schools as Saudi-Arabia, who teach "the US and Israel are the Great Satan"
5) consider females a 2nd class citizens
etc. etc. etc.

But WAIT...let's give them the keys to 6 US ports - why NOT?


...it must be tough being a:
“blindly follow my leader, religious fundamentalist, that has more in common with Iranian Clerics than the average person living in the civilized world…kind of guy”,
NO?

[rob10]

He is a low life scum sucking TRAITOR.

[rob10]

Originally posted by oloenneker

Originally posted by bootlen
Exactly right, ole. Like I said, W has some tough decisions to make. We need the alliance with UAE. I ask again, has UAE stopped support of terrorist activity? If so, it is not a big deal except in the mind of the American voter.

I don't think it is a bad thing for UAE to run our ports, per se. But given the international situation, it is a bad move politically to set up that deal at this time but a good move for relations with an Arab nation whose alliance we need.

W is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

All this is beside the fact we can't find an American company to run the ports. I'd like to know what the heck THAT is about.


Right.. And is an important decesion to make... Do we allow these people to own a FEW docks or do we ostracize them on the basis of them being Arabs???

It's a slippery slope.

Is it a national security issue? Perhaps not. Perhaps the perception is, that it is.. Us commoners do not really know..

All I know, is that UAE is an ally of the USA. The USA has major USAF bases in UAE. The US Navy has major bases in UAE. If they are that slippery, why are they our ally?

Sure a few of the 9/11 terrorists where from nations in the UAE. Sure the UAE hid monies that finded Al queada, et al. But then again, the same could be said about Switzerland ( minus the terrorists home lands etc.)...

What makes me mad, is that the Bush Admin cannot tell us (commoners we are) why this is a good deal, and that Bush will veto any congressional deal regardless... His way or no way!! thats called a Dictatorship.... And thats Un American!!! This crap back to the land of wooden shoes and legal prostitution and stay there!!

[rob10]

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=251764&&

[James 3528]

Try to stop being such a idiot, Robbie

[rob10]

Your side lost. Take it like a man. If that's possible. I doubt it!! :eek:

[James 3528]

Hillary would not get past her parties primary elections. Men with balls will not vote for a woman who physically has a pair

Face it Robbie, you're full of $hit and have no political reality

[bootlen]

Originally posted by tonys
Is it safe to say that BOTH you and Jimmy8675309 are turtle’n over this latest Bush-Admin Fiasco?

1) G'Dub'Ya didn't even read the report before he supported the move
2) the 'committee' set-up to do the review spent 1-day on it (note: they are not even qualified to do a security review - just financial/legal aspects of the contract)
3) UAE is a loosely formed country (7 primative Tribes that come together to form a 'country' just because the rest of the world did and the British recommended they do so..."
4) UAE has the SAME problem with religious fanatic schools as Saudi-Arabia, who teach "the US and Israel are the Great Satan"
5) consider females a 2nd class citizens
etc. etc. etc.

But WAIT...let's give them the keys to 6 US ports - why NOT?


...it must be tough being a:
“blindly follow my leader, religious fundamentalist, that has more in common with Iranian Clerics than the average person living in the civilized world…kind of guy”,
NO?


Ya know, if ya'd read all my posts, ya'd see i was against the deal initially. But I studied on it AFTER that initial assessment and I now have a more informed opinion. I know you libs don't understand teh concept of "informed opinion" so I don't expect a lot of coherency out of you.

Look behind ya. Ya dropped yer Joe.

[rob10]

Tend to forget New York. What happened there??

[James 3528]

Originally posted by rob10
Tend to forget New York. What happened there??

The colonist bought it from the Indians.


You waste a lot of time with your country dumb open ended questions.

[tonys]

turtle’n

[rob10]

Even the New York Republicans have come close to giving it up to her! :p


http://www.dscc.org/2006races/ny/


(Quote from article)
RACE PROFILE
Republicans have had little luck finding a formidable challenger to Senator Clinton. Former Yonkers mayor John Spencer is the lone Republican challenger.

The latest “Quinnipiac” poll showed Clinton’s re-elect numbers at 67% and her favorability at 63%. The same poll found her defeating all potential opponents by at least 25%.

[rob10]

For the entire country during the next Prez election!! :D

[James 3528]

Originally posted by rob10
Even the New York Republicans have come close to giving it up to her! :p


http://www.dscc.org/2006races/ny/


(Quote from article)
RACE PROFILE
Republicans have had little luck finding a formidable challenger to Senator Clinton. Former Yonkers mayor John Spencer is the lone Republican challenger.

The latest “Quinnipiac” poll showed Clinton’s re-elect numbers at 67% and her favorability at 63%. The same poll found her defeating all potential opponents by at least 25%.
You are talking about a senate district where all she had to do to get elected was get Bill to free some Puerto rican terroist. She has more baggage than the airport

[tonys]

but, the 'real' question is...will she go-down for some Saudi-Sausage, like G'Dub'Ya...hey Go-Boy-Jim-Bo?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by tonys
but, the 'real' question is...will she go-down for some Saudi-Sausage, like G'Dub'Ya...hey Go-Boy-Jim-Bo?


I doubt it. Word is she doesn't like sausage. ;)

[tonys]

oh, forgot

ol'willie had to sub-contract that particular job.

...or is it 'deed'.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by tonys
but, the 'real' question is...will she go-down for some Saudi-Sausage, like G'Dub'Ya...hey Go-Boy-Jim-Bo?


I doubt it. Word is she doesn't like sausage. ;)

What do you get when you cross a hillbilly with a lesbian?

Chelsea Clinton! hehehe don’t know why I felt like that was appropriate at the moment?

Anyhow, Bush never amazes me anymore more with his incompetence. Typical he is defending and threatening to veto a deal he knows nothing about.

He is truly clueless.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by tonys
oh, forgot

ol'willie had to sub-contract that particular job.

...or is it 'deed'.

"Job" does just fine. :)

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen

Ya know, if ya'd read all my posts, ya'd see i was against the deal initially. But I studied on it AFTER that initial assessment and I now have a more informed opinion. I know you libs don't understand teh concept of "informed opinion" so I don't expect a lot of coherency out of you.Did your study reveal:

1. The total number of ports involved is twenty one not six.

2. According to the Marine Transportation Act of 2002, Port facility operators have access to Coast Guard incident response plans--that is they would know how the Coast Guard plans to counter and respond to terrorist attacks.

3. Two of the 9/11 highjackers came from the UAE and terrorist money was laundered in Dubai, the UAE supports the Palestinian cause, the UAE has ties to Bin Laden and Al qaeda, Dubai allowed transshipment of Pakistani nuclear equipment to Iran and Libya through its port, Hell, Bush invaded Iraq for less than that.

4. The Bush family has extensive financial ties to the UAE







Informed opinion? The concept escapes you.

[Special Ed]

And Gore likes to make speeches in Saudi Arabia. What's your point?

[hvac r us 2]

How is that when mistakes are pointed out towards the Bush administration it immediately is deferred to...

"Clinton did this" and
"Remember when Carter did that"
"Al Gore said this"

The list is endless; the only non-responsible party is the Bush administration?

At What point do you take responsibility for your own failures and stop blaming others? :rolleyes:

Just as most Bush decisions, he is clueless. Why we are even having a debate over turning over ports to an Arab company is beyond me.

Where is the common sense? Is there not an American company that could perform this function? If this were such a good deal why would safety precautions need to be implemented? Amazing, just amazing...

And you have Bush wanting to veto a block on this deal and he knows nothing about it...he is truly a puppet in the grand scheme of things.

A 48-year-old kid playing in daddy’s white house.

What a mess. :(

[Special Ed]

Unlike you, I have a point. The point being this: Everyone points out that Bush has connections here & there, but they patently refuse to see that their heroes also have those very same connections! If you're gonna complain about Bush, fine. But also point out how your bedmates have the very same issues. That's all.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
A 48-year-old kid playing in daddy’s white house.

See, you're so stupid & clueless that you don't even know how old Bush is! Why am I even debating you? It's like arguing with a retard - check that - it is arguing with a retard!

[acmanko]

Yea it should read a 60 year old kid playing in Daddy's White House. At least he doesn't get mad and take his ball home everytime something doesn't go his way.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
A 48-year-old kid playing in daddy’s white house.

See, you're so stupid & clueless that you don't even know how old Bush is! Why am I even debating you? It's like arguing with a retard - check that - it is arguing with a retard!

Don’t start attacking me, I didn’t attack you, can you not have a debate without the name-calling?

Save the name calling for someone else, I'm not impressed.

And for the record, I just tossed a number out there. I don't give a damn how old Bush is, it's irrelevant.

[Special Ed]

So not only do you not know what you're talking about, you don't even care to know? That's even worse.





















Retard.

[James 3528]

LOL


It is relevant that when they wet the beds over surveillance that Clinton, Carter and Kennedy did the same thing. THAT is why they don't want you mentioning it.

[RoBoTeq]

Now, now children. HvacRus2 is not a retard for his wrong thinking. Maybe for repping a blue oval, but not for his misguided thinking on politics :D

[Special Ed]

And that repping Goodman is any better? RoBo.... :D

[geerair]

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL


It is relevant that when they wet the beds over surveillance that Clinton, Carter and Kennedy did the same thing. THAT is why they don't want you mentioning it. None of them broke FISA laws, Bush did. Big difference.

[geerair]

Originally posted by Special Ed
And Gore likes to make speeches in Saudi Arabia. What's your point? Bush cares more about his cronies than U.S. security.

[geerair]

Originally posted by Special Ed
Unlike you, I have a point. The point being this: Everyone points out that Bush has connections here & there, but they patently refuse to see that their heroes also have those very same connections! If you're gonna complain about Bush, fine. But also point out how your bedmates have the very same issues. That's all. Laughable. Gore gets paid for a speech and you think that is comparable to the extensive financial ties between the Bush family and the UAR.

Your world class conclusion jumping title is safe.

[geerair]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2

Don’t start attacking me, I didn’t attack you, can you not have a debate without the name-calling?

Save the name calling for someone else, I'm not impressed.Name calling is traditionally the only weapon in ed's intellectual arsenal. Cogent arguments frustrate him and his only recourse is of the "your mother wears army boots" type. Of course, that could also be said of most of the wingnuts here.

[Edited by geerair on 02-25-2006 at 11:32 AM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair
Originally posted by bootlen

Ya know, if ya'd read all my posts, ya'd see i was against the deal initially. But I studied on it AFTER that initial assessment and I now have a more informed opinion. I know you libs don't understand teh concept of "informed opinion" so I don't expect a lot of coherency out of you.[/quote]Did your study reveal:

1. The total number of ports involved is twenty one not six.

One port or forty. It only takes one. So that little fact is moot. I'm sure that escapes you, though.

2. According to the Marine Transportation Act of 2002, Port facility operators have access to Coast Guard incident response plans--that is they would know how the Coast Guard plans to counter and respond to terrorist attacks.

Ummhmm. They also knew in the Gulf Wars how we'd wipe the desert with their rag-headed butts. They weren't able to do anything about that either.

3. Two of the 9/11 highjackers came from the UAE

The guy who did the Murrah Building was American. Just shows ya got freaks in every nation. Now, did you have a legitimate point?

and terrorist money was laundered in Dubai,

Are they still laundering terrorist money in UAE as supported by the UAE government? Nobody has answered that question since I asked it more than once over the last 3 or 4 days.

the UAE supports the Palestinian cause,

From what I can tell, so do you.

the UAE has ties to Bin Laden and Al qaeda,

Yeah. So does every other Arab nation. They're all descended from Ishmael. Still no point?

Dubai allowed transshipment of Pakistani nuclear equipment to Iran and Libya through its port,

Are they still doing that with the approval of the UAE government?

Hell, Bush invaded Iraq for less than that.

Yep. Did a great job, didn't he?

4. The Bush family has extensive financial ties to the UAE

Has naught to do with anything. Purely circumstantial.

Informed opinion? The concept escapes you.

Only in your dreams.

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
One port or forty. It only takes one. So that little fact is moot. I'm sure that escapes you, though. Hardly moot. More chances to do more damage and more entry choices. More opportunities to compromise security. You didn't think this one through did you?


Ummhmm. They also knew in the Gulf Wars how we'd wipe the desert with their rag-headed butts. They weren't able to do anything about that either.Laughable. They didn't know the operational plans or the details of the invasions. You are really stretching here. Of course if letting them know our plans for preventing and fighting terrorism are ok with you...........



The guy who did the Murrah Building was American. Just shows ya got freaks in every nation. Now, did you have a legitimate point? Except that McVeigh wasn't condoned by the powers that be. Now, did you think this through? The evidence says no.



Are they still laundering terrorist money in UAE as supported by the UAE government? Nobody has answered that question since I asked it more than once over the last 3 or 4 days.We don't that that they haven't stopped laundering money. See, that is what an investigation is supposed to uncover. That is why there is a statutory provision for a 45 day wait for approval. a provision the Bush administration ignored.



From what I can tell, so do you.Get your sensory apparati checked, it is malfunctioning.


Yeah. So does every other Arab nation. They're all descended from Ishmael. Still no point?Ah, so in your view this would be a selling point in favor of allowing the UAE operate our ports and be privy yo our anti-terrorist plans.


Are they still doing that with the approval of the UAE government?Is Charles Manson still knifing up people?



Yep. Did a great job, didn't he?Looks like somebody isn't keeping up with current events.




Has naught to do with anything. Purely circumstantial.Hmmmmm.......this was said of the extensive Bush ties to the Saudis as well. can you spell cronyism?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen
One port or forty. It only takes one. So that little fact is moot. I'm sure that escapes you, though. Hardly moot. More chances to do more damage and more entry choices. More opportunities to compromise security. You didn't think this one through did you?


Ummhmm. They also knew in the Gulf Wars how we'd wipe the desert with their rag-headed butts. They weren't able to do anything about that either.Laughable. They didn't know the operational plans or the details of the invasions. You are really stretching here. Of course if letting them know our plans for preventing and fighting terrorism are ok with you...........



The guy who did the Murrah Building was American. Just shows ya got freaks in every nation. Now, did you have a legitimate point? Except that McVeigh wasn't condoned by the powers that be. Now, did you think this through? The evidence says no.



Are they still laundering terrorist money in UAE as supported by the UAE government? Nobody has answered that question since I asked it more than once over the last 3 or 4 days.We don't that that they haven't stopped laundering money. See, that is what an investigation is supposed to uncover. That is why there is a statutory provision for a 45 day wait for approval. a provision the Bush administration ignored.



From what I can tell, so do you.Get your sensory apparati checked, it is malfunctioning.


Yeah. So does every other Arab nation. They're all descended from Ishmael. Still no point?Ah, so in your view this would be a selling point in favor of allowing the UAE operate our ports and be privy yo our anti-terrorist plans.


Are they still doing that with the approval of the UAE government?Is Charles Manson still knifing up people?



Yep. Did a great job, didn't he?Looks like somebody isn't keeping up with current events.




Has naught to do with anything. Purely circumstantial.Hmmmmm.......this was said of the extensive Bush ties to the Saudis as well. can you spell cronyism?


Your information is incorrect on each on each point. Typical.

[rob10]

Originally posted by Special Ed
So not only do you not know what you're talking about, you don't even care to know? That's even worse.





















Retard. Like yourself are driveling idiots. And now it's really showing. How about #2 shooting a lawyer. That was damned bright!! WASN"T ITTTT!!!!!

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL


It is relevant that when they wet the beds over surveillance that Clinton, Carter and Kennedy did the same thing. THAT is why they don't want you mentioning it. None of them broke FISA laws, Bush did. Big difference.

Exactly, one administration broke the law the others did not.

Watch how the responses take place now that reality interferes with their plan.

They will use creative "diversion tactics" or name calling, anything to take the focus away from the truth.

Now matter how creative the "defense" is, at the end of the day one broke the law, the other didn’t. And that part doesn’t change.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by Special Ed
So not only do you not know what you're talking about, you don't even care to know? That's even worse.





















Retard.

This coming from someone with the name "special Ed", now I'm impressed. :rolleyes:

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Now, now children. HvacRus2 is not a retard for his wrong thinking. Maybe for repping a blue oval, but not for his misguided thinking on politics :D

ROFL Thats more true than you know Robo! :D

[James 3528]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL


It is relevant that when they wet the beds over surveillance that Clinton, Carter and Kennedy did the same thing. THAT is why they don't want you mentioning it. None of them broke FISA laws, Bush did. Big difference.

Nope, he didn't and I never said Carter and Clinton did but Kennedy flat out did

[James 3528]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL


It is relevant that when they wet the beds over surveillance that Clinton, Carter and Kennedy did the same thing. THAT is why they don't want you mentioning it. None of them broke FISA laws, Bush did. Big difference.

Exactly, one administration broke the law the others did not.

Watch how the responses take place now that reality interferes with their plan.

They will use creative "diversion tactics" or name calling, anything to take the focus away from the truth.

Now matter how creative the "defense" is, at the end of the day one broke the law, the other didn’t. And that part doesn’t change.




LOL Kennedy flat out broke the law. Show how much you know.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by geerair
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Special Ed
[B]

Your world class conclusion jumping title is safe.



I dont care who you are, that is funny! ROFL!

I thought there were some others in the running, but ok...

[geerair]

Originally posted by James 3528
Nope, he didn't Yeah, no matter what Abu Gonzales and the Bush groupies say, it is clear Bush broke FISA laws. The apalling part is that he didn't have to break the FISA laws to have effective monitoring of suspect calls.



Kennedy flat out didNo FISA laws back then Einstein.

Even if Kennedy did break Constitutional laws how does this excuse Bush from breaking the law?

[Special Ed]

I don't know what we're debating here, but I know I've posted my discontent with the UAE running our ports. But since I don't see either side coming to some sort of agreement on this issue I think the 3-5 threads talking about it are pointless. Actually, I think the posters of these last 3-5 threads only began them with the sole purpose of slamming their President. I guess if your man lost in the last 2 elections you have nothing better to do. Oh, well. I guess I would be bitter too if my man had lost.






























BUT HE DIDN'T!!! EAT OUR SHORTS, DEMS!!! LOL!!

[rob10]

GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by hvac r us 2

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL


It is relevant that when they wet the beds over surveillance that Clinton, Carter and Kennedy did the same thing. THAT is why they don't want you mentioning it. None of them broke FISA laws, Bush did. Big difference.

Exactly, one administration broke the law the others did not.

Watch how the responses take place now that reality interferes with their plan.

They will use creative "diversion tactics" or name calling, anything to take the focus away from the truth.

Now matter how creative the "defense" is, at the end of the day one broke the law, the other didn’t. And that part doesn’t change.




LOL Kennedy flat out broke the law. Show how much you know.

Uhhh, that’s only half correct James?

But besides, does it matter? I thought we were talking about the present administration and their actions?

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I want to believe in the administration that runs this country, I love this country, I just feel that the Bush administration is very sneaky...I don’t like that.

BTW, surveillance/phone tapping I have no problem with. Anything to protect this country I am for.

Now, back to this turning ports over to an Arab country...

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by Special Ed
I don't know what we're debating here, but I know I've posted my discontent with the UAE running our ports. But since I don't see either side coming to some sort of agreement on this issue I think the 3-5 threads talking about it are pointless. Actually, I think the posters of these last 3-5 threads only began them with the sole purpose of slamming their President. I guess if your man lost in the last 2 elections you have nothing better to do. Oh, well. I guess I would be bitter too if my man had lost.

BUT HE DIDN'T!!! EAT OUR SHORTS, DEMS!!! LOL!!

Huh? I am a registered Republican and voted for Bush the first time.

How can you not look past the Dem. vs. Rep. issue and base your opinion solely on right vs. wrong?

The president deserves to get slammed, apparently I am not alone...check the approval rating.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

Even I have trouble with Hillary, sorry Rob. I tried to read her book and just could not get through it...

I just don’t see her being the savior; I am open to the idea though.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie?

Rob's into lesbians. Also, he thinks Janet Reno is hot.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by James 3528
Nope, he didn't Yeah, no matter what Abu Gonzales and the Bush groupies say, it is clear Bush broke FISA laws. The apalling part is that he didn't have to break the FISA laws to have effective monitoring of suspect calls.



Kennedy flat out didNo FISA laws back then Einstein.

Even if Kennedy did break Constitutional laws how does this excuse Bush from breaking the law?

My point exactly on both accounts.

[rob10]

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie? [i]



http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8498/480pxhillaryrodhamclinton2op.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 02-25-2006 at 02:41 PM]

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by Special Ed
And that repping Goodman is any better? RoBo.... :D

Thank goodness for Goodman :D

[hvac r us 2]

Alright Rob, thats just wrong! :D

[rob10]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie? [i]



http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8498/480pxhillaryrodhamclinton2op.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 02-25-2006 at 02:41 PM]

[rob10]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie? [i]



http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8498/480pxhillaryrodhamclinton2op.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 02-25-2006 at 02:41 PM]

[rob10]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie? [i]



http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8498/480pxhillaryrodhamclinton2op.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 02-25-2006 at 02:41 PM]

[rob10]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by Special Ed

Originally posted by rob10
GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!! GO HILLARY!!! :D :D :D

You gotta crush on her or somethin', Robbie? [i]



http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8498/480pxhillaryrodhamclinton2op.jpg

[Edited by rob10 on 02-25-2006 at 02:41 PM]

[bootlen]

Mass produce that pic to a life-sized mask and make bucks next halloween off of people who want to scare kids and voters.

[rob10]

Originally posted by bootlen
Mass produce that pic to a life-sized mask and make bucks next halloween off of people who want to scare kids and voters. Right wingnuts like yourself!! :eek: :D

[bootlen]

Originally posted by rob10

Originally posted by bootlen
Mass produce that pic to a life-sized mask and make bucks next halloween off of people who want to scare kids and voters. Right wingnuts like yourself!! :eek: :D

Nah. I'd be afraid I'd catch something unhealthy wearing something that looks like that.

[royc]

I need to edit the "notify by mail,". I got better things to do then come here to look at a stupid slide show, cause Rob is bored. What a waste of bandwith...


Roy

[James 3528]

I would ban the idiot for posting that ugly ho's picture

[rob10]

:D :D :D :D