"America is addicted to Oil"

[chillbilly]

There's a profound statement.
I wonder who clued him in on that one.
I like Bush. I really do....but
Reduce foreign dependence by 75%...in how long??
It won't happen, even if it were possible.

[tonys]

stop driving Yukons to the local Walmart.

done.

[chillbilly]

Stop makin' em.

[R12rules]

your talking about issues created and sustained by people who have a hard heart.

How can anyone expect a handful of politicians to fix our country when the constituants wont even lift a finger themselves?
Americans, in general, want foreign oil so we dont deplete our own reserves.
And by the term, RESERVES, I mean to include those wells which are sealed off around the USA.

We have so many wells capped it would keep a crew full time just to keep track of the maps!
AMERICA is NOT short on oil!!! AMERICA is short on self discipline!

We dont want to have to tighten our belts, so to speak. We dont want to be told we cannot have what we want, whenever we want it and we dont want to be told we cant drive frivously about the land ... burning up fossil fuels in SUV's!

And we dont have the guts to demand hydrogen fuel to power our country with.
It is already developed, the bugs worked out and it ready to be deployed... right here! Right now!



Part of being a nation that has turned it's back on the Creator Jesus, we no longer have the back bone to stand up and ask for what is right.


Fossil fuels are ok for certain limited use. But not across the board, as we now use them.


It is a heart issue, not political. And those who have a heart for God will comprehend this and anyone who don't ... doesn't.
Its not a complicated problem.

[bootlen]

B I N G O !

[R12rules]

Originally posted by bootlen
B I N G O !


Hey Len ... how ya doin' ?

:) I like your reply. I guess you liked mine.


It's the "heart" of the matter.


I see so many fine individuals here in this forum running all over the place "putting out fire", so to speak.
Some of these threads are legit questions. While most are simply a rant.
I dont hold it against anyone here to vent whenever they are upset with how things are in America.
However ... when they begin seeing replies from folks who offer free advice and some of it happens to be kind and ever correct .... they would appear wise to heed such advice.

But when they simply respond like animals and begin ranting against everyone who does not share their particular/ peculiar viewpoint on life... that's when the party is over.
It's time to go home.


I'm upset about the way people treat others! Period!!!
This is one of my particular soap box subjects.
I despise what people do to one another out of envy, greed, pride, revenge, hatred, etc.
It is a heart issue, not political in origin.
And someone does not necessarily need to be of a certain "religious" persuasion in order to be kind or hateful.
These attributes are chosen and not something you get out of a box or a pill!

Admitedly, some who claim to be nice are not always so. And some who claim hate as their allie can often act in a loving manner ... whenever they so choose to.

I have met some fine people who were terribly lost when it comes to Who, (whom), they belong to.

Some of the finest men I have met and worked beside in this industry have openly denied God. Yet they treated me like their friend, like a brother.
While others in this same industry ... who made daily claim that they belonged to Jesus .... they demonstrated that they knew "of Him"... but not personally.
And ... just to give them some room for error ... if they did know Him personally ... He was not their number ONE!
In other words ... they acted differently than someone who knows God and walks personally with Him.


Bottom line folks: people want what they want. And they dont like change.

Most here dont honor the time that the true believers spend offering Godly coounsel on world affairs.
So they throw insults at us.


Let's just pray we act like we are worthy to be counted as Christ's deciples.


Any fool can come in here and post a mean comment and think they are getting their two cents worth in.
But in reality, the stakes are so much higher than we all can realise!


You might insult cehs or boot or any number of the other believers in here... you might disagree with us and may even live on to forget us.
But God is watching what each and every one of us does when we are confronted with The Truth!

And whether you face Eternity alone in hell or spend it with happy people in Heaven ... it all depends soley upon what you do here and now on Earth with God's Son, Jesus.
He is The Truth. And He is the only One Who offers life and answers to the really tough questions.



So maybe ... once in awhile ... you just might wish to ask Jesus what the answer to a particular problem in the world is. And be willing to listen to what He has to say to you, personally.

[rb276]

Just wanted to throw it out there. Hydrogen power may be ready to be deployed. Yes it is the most abundent resource, but seeing as they extract it from natural gas, it doesn't cut down on fossil fuel cunsumption. The refining process still has a ways to go. A long ways.

[R12rules]

Originally posted by rb276
Just wanted to throw it out there. Hydrogen power may be ready to be deployed. Yes it is the most abundent resource, but seeing as they extract it from natural gas, it doesn't cut down on fossil fuel cunsumption. The refining process still has a ways to go. A long ways.

It does not have to be extracted from natural gas. It is made thru electro chem process on board a motor vehicle.

Dr. Billings

here's simply one link to his work.
http://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-01-20/news/feature_print.html

the first article I read about this man was a piece done by Mother Earth News back in 1979. This guy had it down to an art form, waaaaay back then.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by rb276
Just wanted to throw it out there. Hydrogen power may be ready to be deployed. Yes it is the most abundent resource, but seeing as they extract it from natural gas, it doesn't cut down on fossil fuel cunsumption. The refining process still has a ways to go. A long ways.

Actually, it can be extracted from water.

[R12rules]

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by rb276
Just wanted to throw it out there. Hydrogen power may be ready to be deployed. Yes it is the most abundent resource, but seeing as they extract it from natural gas, it doesn't cut down on fossil fuel cunsumption. The refining process still has a ways to go. A long ways.

Actually, it can be extracted from water.

That is exactely what Dr. Billings has been doing for ny onto thirty years now!!!

Lmtd even made mention of H2FC. hydrogen fuel cells which are for home use to provide heat AND electricity.

[caosesvida]

I think something like 85% of our oil comes from canada,mexico and venezuala. To get rid of the oil from the bad guys shouldn't be that hard. For those old enough to remmeber the 70's we did the best job at that time, we forced car man. to increase fuel eficciencies, which we are still benefitting from today. The improvement in cars from that time makes it possible to go 50k without a tune up. Remeber changing points every 10 to 12 K? At that time also we pushed for solar, and other non oil dependent fuels. then when the crisis was over we slacked as usual and now look where we are. Why would anyone be surprised we have shot ourselves in the head?

[rb276]

I guess that I should have been a bit more clear. If You look at water the hydrogen molecules are strongly bond to oxygen and it takes a substantial amount of energy to split the hydrogen to use it in your fuel cell. In america coal is the abundent energy provider. Most of the power grid in america is from nuclear power. So we trade off a clean burning gas engine for nuclear and coal powered fuel cells. If we want to MASS produce the hydrogen fuel powered vehicles to slowly get away from our dependency on oil then we need to perfect the refining process. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it happen, but all I'm saying is that it needs work.

[tonys]

distribution of Hydrogen may be a problem.

who pays?

[oloenneker]

Originally posted by rb276
I guess that I should have been a bit more clear. If You look at water the hydrogen molecules are strongly bond to oxygen and it takes a substantial amount of energy to split the hydrogen to use it in your fuel cell. In america coal is the abundent energy provider. Most of the power grid in america is from nuclear power. So we trade off a clean burning gas engine for nuclear and coal powered fuel cells. If we want to MASS produce the hydrogen fuel powered vehicles to slowly get away from our dependency on oil then we need to perfect the refining process. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it happen, but all I'm saying is that it needs work.

But I do believe that because of the sheer amount of cars in densely populated areas you would have a good benefit by using Hydrogen over Gasoline... Now nothing is perfect, so we have to look at compromises.
Hydrogen also does not polute like gasoline, Which if you have ever been to Los Angeles, you would understand.

I saw a TV program where they where using these prototype Hydrogen generaring stations that where powered by PV cells. This was a generating and filling station similar in size to a normal gas station. So the technology is out there to make it non reliant on commercial electrical power. The only problem is cost. The setup seemed fairly expensive, compared to a normal gasoline station...