Roboteq here is one for you.

[jmb]

I ran across this so I had to post it. Could not help my self.

mypeoplepc.com/members/kb1/airnecessities/id11.html

[RoBoTeq]

Now that's some great info :D

http://www.mypeoplepc.com/members/kb1/airnecessities/id11.html

However, I wonder if they need to know how to use spellcheck?

[walterc]

Absolutely, positively, indubidudley, LOL , no comment.

[htg guy]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Now that's some great info :D

http://www.mypeoplepc.com/members/kb1/airnecessities/id11.html

However, I wonder if they need to know how to use spellcheck?


According to this guy, Whirlpool and Kenmore were made by Janitrol/Goodman? When was this?

[aircooled53]

That would be a little bias if you asked me, showing a Goodman promotion ad to cut the Carrier, and Lennox.

I'm sure if you look hard enough you could find the real facts on Goodman products, and it's repair and warranty service issues..

[Jultzya]

It's called marketing...

Every manufacture does the same thing...

There are good points to each side.

[hvac hero]

I'd almost buy the goodman just because I like those contactors better. Its a pain tryin to push a 8 gauge wire behind one of those screws. LOL

[billygoat22]

They didn't compare to Trane which has all the features shown, including rustproof basepan and coated screws.

They didn't show favorable points of competition, either. Enclosed compressors and demand defrost. I'd expect to see timed defrost on a Goodman.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by htg guy
According to this guy, Whirlpool and Kenmore were made by Janitrol/Goodman? When was this?

I think somewhere around 8-10yrs. ago. ICP (Carrier) makes Kenmore now.

[Special Ed]

And Trane's/A.S. basepans are made of some kind of polycarbonate mat'l which not only resists corrosion & rust but also noise.

Could explain why Carrier/Lennox/Goodmans are still soooo darn loud! :D

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by special ed
And Trane's/A.S. basepans are made of some kind of polycarbonate mat'l which not only resists corrosion & rust but also noise.

Could explain why Carrier/Lennox/Goodmans are still soooo darn loud! :D

My parents have a Goodman heat pump sitting on the porch of their condo and they just love how quiet it is compared to the brand that it replaced. Would you like to show some proof of what you stated?

As for the plastic bases; you need 6 pump ups under the heat pumps to keep the weight of the compressor from making them sag. Not saying it is worse or better, just that these are not viable comparisons of quality but rather personal preferences.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by billygoat22
They didn't compare to Trane which has all the features shown, including rustproof basepan and coated screws.

They didn't show favorable points of competition, either. Enclosed compressors and demand defrost. I'd expect to see timed defrost on a Goodman.



Goodman just came out with a Trane comparison pamphlet as well. Don't get me wrong, this is mostly marketing hype which as has been noted is done by all manufactureres. What is stated is accurate, but of course there are things that are left not stated.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by special ed

Originally posted by htg guy
According to this guy, Whirlpool and Kenmore were made by Janitrol/Goodman? When was this?

I think somewhere around 8-10yrs. ago. ICP (Carrier) makes Kenmore now.

Don't know about Whirlpool, but Sears Kenmore is parts of the U.S. were Goodman for about 5 years up to about two years ago. I was glad to hear when that stopped.

The Trane PTACs were also manufactured by Goodman/Amana until about two years ago when Trane started having them made overseas.

[Edited by RoBoTeq on 01-26-2006 at 10:21 PM]

[htg guy]

I've seen Janitrols with Williamson stickers on them but never Kenmore.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by htg guy
I've seen Janitrols with Williamson stickers on them but never Kenmore.

Definitely Kenmore used to be Goodman and I have seen Williamson on the Internet that definitely was Goodman, but have never seen the Williamson/Goodman brand in my neck of the woods. Maybe it is a regional thing.

[matt8085]

Now THAT, my friends, is a salespitch!!!!!!!

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by matt8085
Now THAT, my friends, is a salespitch!!!!!!!

I assume you are talking about the link? Yes, that site is certainly taking advantage of the marketing tools being made available. Ya gotta love hype and spin.

[BaldLoonie]

Goodman never made Whirlpool. Certainly made for Williamson.

Then there's his discussion of CR "flowed" testing. Of course we know that CR tested nothing, just surveyed members. Rheem was #2 as I recall but Ruud certainly not #7. Only thing "flowed" here is his data or manipulation of such.

[tulsatwisters]

Forgetting about the sales hype, I liked the “it’s not all about the brand of equipment used, but about who is doing the install and how good of a job they do” part of what I read.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by tulsatwisters
Forgetting about the sales hype, I liked the “it’s not all about the brand of equipment used, but about who is doing the install and how good of a job they do” part of what I read.

Amen and give me a high five :D

[tulsatwisters]

RoBoTec, the one thing that is on every one of your posts that is the 100% pure truth is:

Yes, I could help, but it's not worth the harassment.



And like I have said many upon many of times

“No good deed goes unpunished”

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by tulsatwisters
RoBoTec, the one thing that is on every one of your posts that is the 100% pure truth is:

Yes, I could help, but it's not worth the harassment.



And like I have said many upon many of times

“No good deed goes unpunished”


Stick around here and you will really know the impact of that statement :D

Actually, I should remove that sig line. The issue I had has been resolved. I expect some resistance and have been shown the errors in my ways on occasion so I welcome resistance that teaches me. I just cannot abide by those on these forums that only harass those of us who are actually trying to help and learn.

[the truth]

Close to 25,000 posts in 6 years. WOW! That`s 11 posts a day everyday day after day even holidays lol
Is that what it takes to try to convince the world Goodman is good??
Just checkin

[RoBoTeq]

I have worked for other companies as well as worked in another country since I have been on this forum. As stated in my sig line, I represent myself and not a product.

If you have a problem, spit it out and get it over with.

[Dad]

Originally posted by the truth
Close to 25,000 posts in 6 years. WOW! That`s 11 posts a day everyday day after day even holidays lol
Is that what it takes to try to convince the world Goodman is good??
Just checkin

Hey Brian (aka American Standard)

Here is a little truth for you too.

You are still banned.

[RoBoTeq]

Ha! American Standard again? This guy is just obsessed with me. You should see the stuff he tried to post on my website! What a dweeb.

[who me?]

I`m American Standard...

Who is Brian? Would you prefer Bill?
I`m still banned? Yes you are.

>>>edit... removed inappropriate material. Goodbye


[Edited by jultzya on 01-30-2006 at 04:21 AM]

[Dad]

Sorry about that D.B.

Brian came from one of your other putz screen names.

My bad but you're still banned.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

Originally posted by special ed
Could explain why Carrier/Lennox/Goodmans are still soooo darn loud! :D

Would you like to show some proof of what you stated?


RoBo, did ya notice the little smiley thingy at the end of my post? I was just joshin' with ya, tryin' to have some fun. That's all! My post was never intended to make you angry or anything, okay? Still friends?

[selfemployed]

Whirlpool was made by Heil Quaker and sold by Sears. Kenmore was ICP (old Heil Quaker) sold by Sears. Ducane made a lot of furnaces for everybody, Lennox, Carrier, Heil, ect. Just use the logo you wanted on it.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by special ed

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

Originally posted by special ed
Could explain why Carrier/Lennox/Goodmans are still soooo darn loud! :D

Would you like to show some proof of what you stated?


RoBo, did ya notice the little smiley thingy at the end of my post? I was just joshin' with ya, tryin' to have some fun. That's all! My post was never intended to make you angry or anything, okay? Still friends?

I don't get angry over stuff on the Internet. I did miss the smiley though. Sorry. Some of my antagonists here just don't understand that when they post wrong information I get to get on a soap box to correct them. That way I can claim I am not promoting anything factual data :D

[Dad]

They are right... that link is shameless

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by Lusker
They are right... that link is shameless

I don't think it is trying to hide that fact :D

[Jultzya]

When I first looked at that site, I wondered if they were the company that did the comparison sheets for ICP.

As, ICP has comparison data to other brands that is almost identical. They pick on some of the very same components.

[dynalowrider79]

why does this guy compare goodman to carriers bottom line product, that to me doesnt say much for goodman if thats all he can compare it too who is this add supposed to fool the unknowing home owner who assumes thats the goodman is comparing to a top of the line carrier, i like carrier and all but i think the builders model is junk

[dash]

Originally posted by dynalowrider79
why does this guy compare goodman to carriers bottom line product, that to me doesnt say much for goodman if thats all he can compare it too who is this add supposed to fool the unknowing home owner who assumes thats the goodman is comparing to a top of the line carrier, i like carrier and all but i think the builders model is junk


Have you seen the newest base/builders models?

Filter drier factory installed,more of a grille ,sturdier,TXV factory installed,etc.,etc.

The products above the base/builders model ,all with louvers,etc.

[chillbilly]

Yeah, their 'basic builders model' looks pretty darned good.

[dynalowrider79]

the new builders model isnt isnt louvered it has the old style cage on it only comfort performance and infinity are louvered i saw the new carriers back in july. and they model he showed isnt the new one it was the old, and still my point is how can you compare your good unit to a builders model that still doesnt say much about a goodman if you know better and this makes people assume that that goodman blows away acarrier and when it real life you look at the two side by side the regular carrier and you can clearly see a difference and if your looking on carriers website that is not the builders model the only show that on hvacparners the base model is 24ABA3 Base 13


[Edited by dynalowrider79 on 01-31-2006 at 12:32 PM]

[american standard 2006]

Bill ..good one LOL!
Keep tryin!!

Goodbye


[Edited by jultzya on 02-01-2006 at 02:06 AM]

[backbeatkeeper]

oops.

[Edited by backbeatkeeper on 02-01-2006 at 09:37 AM]

[backbeatkeeper]

Being in the trade for a few years (over 20 now) I remember when Janitrol/Goodman was really starting to aggresively get in the market. I must admit, they look a lot better than they used to. It looks like they're using thicker metal and last time I heard they were number two to Carrier in new housing, that was some years ago. Why do you think United Technoligies bought ICP. To sell a similiar product. As for Goodman, I got a free one from my bosses track home that he yanked out and is working beautifully at my own home. I couldn't complain about the price. No matter what kind of equipment, even if it's a POS. If it is installed correctly it will work correctly. Of course you can still have other problems with motors, etc. But remember Goodman bought them from someone else, they didn't make them

[Edited by backbeatkeeper on 02-01-2006 at 09:37 AM]