Thought for the day!!

[coolprod]

This is an interesting thought for the day:

If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater operations during the last 22 months, and a total of approximately 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000.
The rate in Washington, D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.

CONCLUSION:
We should pull out of Washington, D.C. immediately.
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I got this as an e-mail and thought it was good!! I wonder why I didn't hear this on the news??

[coolwhip]

Nice statistical analysis. Maybe we need to wage war on our own soil and take out the element that is causing these domestic troubles.

[acmanko]

Yep, Republicans and their economic policy are bad for you health.We should send them all to Mexico where they can play their little class games

[coolwhip]

I was thinking more along the lines of the degenerate trash that fills are prison systems to capacity. The people that would rather live off welfare, ADC, and food stamps and feel the need to commit violent crimes instead of working for a living. But no, we feel that they can be rehabilitated at the tax payers exspense. What a bunch of feces!

[bornriding]

Originally posted by coolwhip
I was thinking more along the lines of the degenerate trash that fills are prison systems to capacity. The people that would rather live off welfare, ADC, and food stamps and feel the need to commit violent crimes instead of working for a living. But no, we feel that they can be rehabilitated at the tax payers exspense. What a bunch of feces!



DITTO !!!!!

Richard

[tonys]

I'd rather see French, Italian, German, etc. etc. troops "take a few roadside bombs" than US troops (exclusively)...

but, that would take a leader...a sort of statesman, to get the job done.

[skrewt]

There is no person on earth that could have convinced France or Germany to give up their gravy train in Iraq.
They had a sweetheart deal selling goods under the table to Iraq in violation of the UN resolution.
They wouldn't upset that moneymaker for anyone, not even your precious BC.

[tonys]

you seem to be quite certain...?

[Senior Tech]

Statistics show that statistics are statisticly wrong.

[coolwhip]

I think its the bleeding heart liberals that think violent criminals can be rehabilitated. Maybe we should let the primordial ooze move in with them and they can teachum to play nice nice at their expense.

[James 3528]

Originally posted by acmanko
Yep, Republicans and their economic policy are bad for you health.We should send them all to Mexico where they can play their little class games

Nice observation Donor. Washington DC is about 99% democrat

[TitleLess]

Originally posted by coolprod
This is an interesting thought for the day:

If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater operations during the last 22 months, and a total of approximately 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000.
The rate in Washington, D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.

CONCLUSION:
We should pull out of Washington, D.C. immediately.
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I got this as an e-mail and thought it was good!! I wonder why I didn't hear this on the news??


Here is why you didn't hear it on the news it is called vetting, and checking the math,let's look at this for a sec, you said the following



"""""If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater operations during the last 22 months, and a total of approximately 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000."""""


2112 out of 160,000 gives a death rate of 60 per 100,000 ?

Let's see , We sent 160,000 troops over there and 2112 got killed, but only 96 are really dead ? Because the death rate is 60 per one hundred thousand, GO figure,


2112 out of 160,000 is about 1.3% of the total,

80 out of 100,000 is .08% of the toatl,

or you could say, That a person is about 16 times more likely to get killed in Iraq than he is Washington DC,

Did you guys have math in school where you grew up at ?

[player89]

There is something else missing here. The firearm death rate may be 60/100,000, but not all of the total deaths have been due to firearms. Part of the story seems to be missing.

[acmanko]

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by acmanko
Yep, Republicans and their economic policy are bad for you health.We should send them all to Mexico where they can play their little class games

Nice observation Donor. Washington DC is about 99% democrat Exactly. send them all to Mexico.

[TitleLess]

Originally posted by player89
There is something else missing here. The firearm death rate may be 60/100,000, but not all of the total deaths have been due to firearms. Part of the story seems to be missing.

Wow, do you know what an airplane is ? It's one of the other things that goes over your head,


Do the math already, look, just hit start> programs> accessories, and choose calculater,

[skrewt]

Do the math already, look, just hit start> programs> accessories, and choose calculater,

For starters, you misspelled calculator.

2nd, the numbers for DC are for 1 year as opposed to 22 months in Iraq.
3rd, DC is not a war zone. So any comparable number of firearms deaths to a war zone is pretty dramatic no matter how you run the numbers.
4th, if anyone actually compares the operations in Iraq to any other military occupation in history, we are doing a phenomenally successful job.

But dems wouldn't want history and facts to cloud their Bush hatefest.

[TitleLess]

Originally posted by skrewt
Do the math already, look, just hit start> programs> accessories, and choose calculater,

For starters, you misspelled calculator.

2nd, the numbers for DC are for 1 year as opposed to 22 months in Iraq.
3rd, DC is not a war zone. So any comparable number of firearms deaths to a war zone is pretty dramatic no matter how you run the numbers.
4th, if anyone actually compares the operations in Iraq to any other military occupation in history, we are doing a phenomenally successful job.

But dems wouldn't want history and facts to cloud their Bush hatefest.

All that to acknowledge a large blunder in the numbers, ok believe what you want, but where would you rather have your family at , DC or Iraq ?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by titleless
where would you rather have your family at , DC or Iraq ? [/B]

I think that is the pervading question here, tite. Which is the better place? The answer is obvious and we should be all about protecting DC and the nation while at the same time making DC a safer place than it is.

That is also why we should be about keeping the war 12,000 miles away. That keeps the whole nation safer.

[geerair]

Originally posted by skrewt
4th, if anyone actually compares the operations in Iraq to any other military occupation in history, we are doing a phenomenally successful job.

But dems wouldn't want history and facts to cloud their Bush hatefest. Successful? Perhaps you can quote the number of casualties in the occupations of Japan and Germany?

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen
I think that is the pervading question here, tite. Which is the better place? The answer is obvious and we should be all about protecting DC and the nation while at the same time making DC a safer place than it is.

That is also why we should be about keeping the war 12,000 miles away. That keeps the whole nation safer. Given the global nature of terrorists, your statements are childishly naive and represent nothing more than cheerleading apologetics for Bush.

[scrogdog]

http://hnn.us/articles/1655.html

Condi Rice Is Wrong About Germany's Werewolves, But Right About Iraq

By Jeffrey Herf

Mr. Herf is Professor of History at the University of Maryland. He is the author of Zweielerei Erinnerung: Die NS Vergangenheit im geteilten Deutschland (Berlin: Ullstein/Propylaen, 1998).


Toward the end of this grim summer in Iraq, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice compared the attacks on American and British soldiers there to the violence supposedly carried out by diehard Nazi fanatics known as "Werewolves" after 1945. Dr. Rice rightly noted that the period of 1945 to 1947 was a terribly difficult one. Four of the sixty million people killed in the Second World War around the globe were Germans. The German economy had collapsed. Millions of refugees flooded in from the East. Germany's cities and transportation networks were in ruins. Much of the political opposition was dead or in exile.

Before the end of the war, there had been rumors of possible guerilla war by diehard elements of the Nazi regime after the formal end of hostilities. Yet of all the many problems facing the occupying powers, a guerilla war was not one of them. The "Werewolves" had a scary name but no presence and did not become a serious security issue for the occupation. Instead of any heroic last stands, many Nazi leaders became the butt of bitter jokes as their promises of enduring heroism culminated instead in hundreds of suicides. The length and severity of the Second World War itself combined with the severity of Allied occupation made postwar guerilla resistance a fantasy.

Condoleezza Rice is correct in my view to draw on comparisons both between the Nazi regime and the Iraqi regime, as well as to the experience of postwar occupation. The links between European fascism and Nazism of the mid-twentieth century and the blend of nationalism, socialism and anti-Semitism in the Baath regime in Bagdad have generally received much too little attention. For reasons which Kenneth Pollack in The Threatening Storm laid out most convincingly, Saddam did indeed pose a real threat to the Middle East and over time to the United States and Europe. Yet the occupation of post-Baath Iraq is proving more difficult than the optimistic predictions of leading members of the Bush administration, especially those from Vice President Cheney. In these difficult times, it is important to remember that the occupation of Germany, which was far more familiar culturally and socially to the Allies than Iraq, was also very difficult, lasted a long time, suffered setbacks and left much to be desired.

It is important to recall that the Western, not only the Soviet, occupation was in the early years, very harsh. The victors found a sullen, defeated, demoralized and disillusioned population. Visions of revenge that had flourished after World War I were largely absent. In May 1945, the seven million members of the Nazi Party--and their families and friends--had much to hide and many networks and political skills with which to oppose de-Nazification. But after six years of terrible war followed by the full revelations of mass murder in summer 1945, there simply was no will among the Germans to continue fighting the Allies.

Yet the Allies took no chances. Between 1945 and 1949 the Western Allies alone interned 200,000 former members of the Nazi Party, its various organizations and former Nazi government officials. Over 100,000 were indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Of them over 6,000 were convicted and something over 800 death sentences were carried out. The Nazi party was crushed and outlawed and the German state ceased to exist as a national body for the four years of the occupation. The state apparatus, including the diplomatic and military leadership was dissolved and many of its leading officials were indicted and put on trial in the "successor trials" in Nuremberg between 1947 and 1949 which followed the main International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg of fall 1945 to fall 1946.

Four years was too short for those who wanted all the murderers brought to justice but it was long by anyone's standards and certainly longer than Franklin Roosevelt had anticipated during the war. An early return of German sovereignty--as the oh-so-helpful French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin suggested for Iraq this past week--brought with it the prospect of an end to postwar trials for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The search for justice was bound to be highly unpopular with some segment of the German population. Tensions between democratization and sovereignty, on the one hand, and the search for justice and the truth about the old regime, were enduring features of the postwar occupation of Germany and of the early years of West German democracy.

In the first year or two, none of the occupying powers was eager to restore a German democracy and certainly none had a desire to put "a German face" on the occupation. Before democratization could take place, the Allies wanted to be sure that Nazism had been definitively crushed and that the German people in general understood that this was the case. Given that the German army fought to the bitter end and that the German anti-Nazi resistance was small, late and unsuccessful, the Allies did not romanticize German anti-fascism. Politicians such as Konrad Adenauer, Kurt Schumacher and Theodor Heuss prominent in the Weimar era who were not implicated in the Nazi regime emerged first in local elections. But the first national election did not take place until 1949, over four years after the end of the war. As the German historian Norbert Frei has recently pointed out -- see Adenauer's Germany and the Nazi Past (Columbia University Press, 2002) -- the return of sovereignty to the Germans after 1949 was accompanied by a massive effort by elected West German politicians to bestow amnesty on those accused of war crimes as well as by a refusal at the national level to continue prosecutions for crimes committed by officials of the Nazi regime.

The tension between rapid democratization and the search for justice about the past was a crucial element of postwar West German history and reappeared in the recent post-dictatorial regimes in Serbia, Argentina, Cambodia and South Africa where the forces of the old regime were able to prevent or delay timely trials for past gross violations of human rights. Gangster regimes, such as those of Hitler and Saddam are expert in implicating large numbers of people in crime. While restoration of sovereignty is crucial this should not become a rationale for allowing claims of expertise--often bogus and exaggerated--to prevent judicial reckoning.

The Iraq war of spring 2003 lasted less than two months. It seems that at least some parts of the Iraqi army and secret services avoided combat with the American military and, so it now appears, prepared for postwar guerilla operations. After defeat, and then revelations of the genocide in summer 1945, Nazism and fascism were ideologically exhausted in Europe. No one outside a small lunatic fringe saw Nazism as carrying the torch of history's forward march. Today, most Iraqis appear to feel the same way about Baathism. Yet the brevity of the war has left more of the Baath Party members around to cause trouble. Moreover, of course, Islamic fanaticism is an ideological current which is not at all exhausted in the Middle East and which as Paul Berman has explained so well in Terror and Liberalism now carries the mantle of contemporary totalitarianism. So the emergence of violent attacks on the occupation, as tragic as it is for our soldiers and for the Iraqis as well, should not have come as a surprise.

Those who are pessimistic about a successful democratization of Iraq today should recall that optimism about Germany inside and outside Germany was in short supply, even given awareness of the Germany's previously defeated democratic and liberal traditions. Many doubted that the Germans were capable of elementary decency, not to mention supporting a stable democracy which could keep its armies from attacking its neighbors. Without economic recovery made possible in part by the Marshall Plan, German democratization would not have taken place. Finding the balance between repression of the Nazi past and implementation of policies aimed at economic recovery was time consuming and controversial. Indeed, as I argued in Divided Memory (Harvard University Press, 1997) those who pushed for rapid economic recovery often clashed with those seeking to focus on justice for the crimes of the past. Yet the two goals--economic recovery and legal and moral confrontation with the past--need not be mutally contradictory. Indeed, respect for the rule of law and openess about government policy past and present should be mutually reinforcing trends.

Today, the reconstruction of an Iraqi judiciary and widely publicized trials of leading figures of the old regime are crucial. So too are citizens commissions which aid Iraqis to tell their stories of life under the old regime. Now is the time for collecting testimony and oral histories. If there are Iraqi historians, in exile or in Iraq who were not compromised by participation in the old regime, now is the time for them, in association with the American and British occupation, to document the truth about life under Saddam. The citizens commissions, or Spruchkammern of the occupation years, produced a massive amount of material which compelled Germans to look at who had done what in the past. Such documentation should also include examination of the actions of the Iraqi academic and intellectual establishment under the old regime. Ascertaining degrees of complicity in Germany was difficult, time-consuming and often less than a success. Such periods are a field day for opportunists and cynics. But young people in Germany after 1945 -- as in Iraq today -- deserved the truth about who did what under the old regime.

Finding the right balance of repression of the Old Regime with encouragement of new political forces was difficult in postwar Germany and it is difficult now in Iraq. Postwar Germany witnessed what I've called "multiple restorations" of democratic traditions suppressed by the Nazis. Christian Democrats, Social Democrats and some Free Democrats all found supporters among the allied occupation. Iraq's democrats cannot point to a past era of democracy comparable to the Weimar Republic. Yet democratic and liberal traditions in Germany in 1945, however indigenous their roots were, were able to come back to prominence only because the Allied occupation made sure the Nazism remained crushed and then gave support to the small groups of committed German democrats.

The American led occupation of Iraq can do the same thing. In postwar West Germany (and Japan), fear of Communism and the Soviet Union encouraged joint efforts by the Western Allies in the form of the Marshall Plan and NATO. Today, the threat of Islamic fundamentalism and dictatorship in the Middle East needs to concentrate the minds of Germany, Russia and perhaps even the irritating French. Fear of failure is as reasonable a motivation for effort as is hope of success in democratizing Iraq. Success, moreover, is as much in the interest of those powers who opposed the war this past spring as it is in the American interest. The democratization and economic recovery of Iraq is a vital interest of all of these powers as well as of those who seek democratization and peace in the Middle East more broadly.

A firm and powerful occupation in Iraq is essential not only to defeat terror, rebuild and protect the infrastructure, establish elementary law and order, get the electricity turned on and the oil industry back on its feet. Following a very long and very terrible war, the Germans in 1945 were in no mood to continue their lost cause. Following the very short and nowhere near as terrible Iraq war of spring 2003, it is not surprising that a small minority of Iraqis and foreign terrorists are attacking the occupation.

Paul Bremer, the head of the American occupation of Iraq appears to understand the obvious: it is vital that the occupation achieve success in economic reconstruction, everyday security and the demand for truth and justice about the past. Success in the postwar occupation in West Germany entailed the exercise of power to suppress our enemies, encourage our friends and foster the political and economic institutions of a free society. Those today who cast doubt on the ability of Iraqis to accomplish what the Germans with outside help did after World War II have forgotten the depth of fully justified pessimism of spring and summer 1945, inside and outside Germany about the prospects for a better and different Germany. West German democracy in the 1950s failed in important ways to get at the truth about the Nazi past in a timely fashion though the voices calling for looking at the truth square in the eye eventually found a broader audience.

If the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany), for all its shortcomings, could emerge from the ruins of the Third Reich, I see no compelling historical reason why over time an Iraq with political democracy and market economics cannot emerge as well. Today, as after 1945, patience and firmness at the helm of American foreign policy were and remain indispensable.

[scrogdog]

That article is a bit old, but we have not provided the "powerful occupation" required to make this work. And we still have no plans to do so.

Not only should we stay in Iraq, we need to greatly increase troop committment there. We might make some headway in 5 years were this to happen. But it is not going to.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen
I think that is the pervading question here, tite. Which is the better place? The answer is obvious and we should be all about protecting DC and the nation while at the same time making DC a safer place than it is.

That is also why we should be about keeping the war 12,000 miles away. That keeps the whole nation safer. Given the global nature of terrorists, your statements are childishly naive and represent nothing more than cheerleading apologetics for Bush.

Really? When's the last time a trerrorist blew up something in AK, HA, or CONUS?

[geerair]

Originally posted by bootlen

Really? When's the last time a trerrorist blew up something in AK, HA, or CONUS? How many years between the WTC bombing and 9/11?


BTW-It is HI not HA.

[rob10]

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by geerair

Originally posted by bootlen
I think that is the pervading question here, tite. Which is the better place? The answer is obvious and we should be all about protecting DC and the nation while at the same time making DC a safer place than it is.

That is also why we should be about keeping the war 12,000 miles away. That keeps the whole nation safer. Given the global nature of terrorists, your statements are childishly naive and represent nothing more than cheerleading apologetics for Bush.

Really? When's the last time a trerrorist blew up something in AK, HA, or CONUS? Federal building. How soon we forget!!

[TitleLess]

Anyway, so you want to compasre it over a two and a half year span, ok lets compare it, but since we are going to get technical let's compare the whole equation and see how dumb the article is, you are comparing numbers of American dead in a a specific area ( Irag) What about all lives lost, let's count all lives lost by gunfire in Irag, as we do in DC,

Oh ok now what is it something like 125,000 out of 25 mill or 5% of the population.

Do you see the point ? it was a stupid article based in blindness.And fuzzy math.

[rob10]

Tough choice. Kevlar helmet and vest would be mandatory in either place.

[coolwhip]

Kenneth Pollock is jewish and supports the jewish agenda or what I like to call " The jew think"

[remember]

aside from everything else, kenneth pollack is a contributor for "foreign affairs" magazine and a regular propaganda artist for the establishment.


another similarity between iraq and germany,,,

the american /british supporters of both saddam and hitler, who were instrumental in the rise and stay of both men... fade into the backround as a cause of the ill the world needed to take time out to cure....

things like iraq gate, and the bush /reaganites who supported saddam in his atrocities.. now want history to forget they were part of the problem.. after they lied and manipulated the worlds opinion against the ones they used to support....

just like bush's grandfather and his friends who not only helped hitler re arm germany in the 30's and 40's,against the versailles treaty..... helped their former german counterparts escape punishment for their crimes....

john j mc cloy, as commander of the american sector in 1949, released 65 of the 72 german convicted at nuremburg, including alfred krupp...mccloy then became chairman of citibank, who had been doing business with the germans throughout the war...

when germany was supposed to be "agrarianized" , the marshall plan gang, kept the money rolling to their former partners in germany.. and rebuilt industries... and many former nazi's were kept at the helm.....
@ 1 trillion dollars (in todays money) was swept out of the country, and @ 750 corporations were formed with this money, to be part of the nazi movement past nazi germany...
comapnies like:BASF,GAF,3M,...WERE CARVED OUT OF THE IG FARBEN petro chemical combine....ig farben owned aushwitz.


western money has been inextricably tied to every crime against humanity....

germany wasn't occupied for fifty years for any other reason than we wanted to stay, to keep an eye on another country the bush family has ties to creating, the ussr.george herbert walker was among the industrialists who created the "american international corporation " in 1915, to fund the bolshevic revolution....and their ties at brown bros harriman and kuhn loeb bank had funded lenin and stalin...

what future enemies of this country are they creating today... that is the question.china, uzbekestan, russia all over again?

or has he just graduated to making"everyone who is not with us" and enemy in the future?

the real question is how to tell the good parts that are wrapped up with the bad parts apart.

nevermind all the german concentration camp doctors/scientists/war criminals who the cia adopted.. and helped create future programs against the american people like MK-ULTRA.. or the japanese scientists/war criminals from isi island the cia took in.

operation artichoke
operation paperclip
etc.

[bootlen]

That's not a thought, remember. It's a prolonged fart.

[coolwhip]

I can think of similarities between israel and nazi germany. Let me know when you want me to list them.

[double bubble]

Go ahead and list them .

[coolwhip]

Originally posted by double bubble
Go ahead and list them .

1. Arab people cannot become a citizen of israel and are treated as second class citizens on their own soil. Sounds like genecide to me.

2.According to the detroit news/freepress, israel has created toxins which can affect only arab people on a genetic level.

3. The mossad was designed and modeled after the SS. Their pins and adornments are very similiar to those worn by the SS.

4.Hitler got his idea for the master race from the jewish bible. After all, the jewish people do consider themselves as the master race.

You should read a book called " A portage to San Cristobal " by George Steiner.

[skrewt]

According to the detroit news/freepress, israel has created toxins which can affect only arab people on a genetic level.
---------------------------------------------------

If you believe this, you're livin in easter bunny land.

Here's a fact for ya....who started the killing?



answer: The palestinians. Upset at the number of jews moving into the holy land prior to world war 2, the palestinians rioted and murdered over 100 jews.

If the Arab world is so concerned about the plight of the palestinians, then why doesn't Jordan give up it's share of historical Palestine?

[coolwhip]

I did not say what I thought, I only mentioned the facts.
Historicly, the jewish people are from the Kazakhstan area which puts them between Russia and China. I bet if we moved them back to their own soil you would see a quieter middle east.

Also, if you studied a little bit about genetics and ugenics you would know that isolating genes that determine certain traits in nationalities can be done. It is of no surprise that certain moleculiar compounds can be created in a lab to effect those specific genes.

[Edited by coolwhip on 01-07-2006 at 10:35 AM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by coolwhip
I did not say what I thought, I only mentioned the facts.
Historicly, the jewish people are from the Kazakhstan area which puts them between Russia and China. I bet if we moved them back to their own soil you would see a quieter middle east.

[Edited by coolwhip on 01-07-2006 at 10:35 AM]

U-u-u-u-h, cool. "Their own soil" is Israel which Palestinians claim is theirs. Palestinians are nothing more than displaced Arabs from various Arab nations banned for their anti-social behavior. They are the ones who should be sent back to "their own soil". Of course, "their own" kind will not accept them.

[coolwhip]

Historicly, jewish people are not from there. This is arab land and always has been since the beginning. Pre dating the bible by centuries. Jewish people have always been a nomadic tribe of people and have really never had a homeland. They have been routed by every known civilization in which they try and settle. Once again, their origens are from Kazakhstan and this area should be considered their homeland.

I am only being objective and I am not going to get into the biblical side because that is subject to interruptation. Two clergyman from the same denomination cant even agree with one another.

One cannot argue with the facts.

I have read the old testament and the new testament. I dont even discuss it with my wife whom is devout catholic and has two preists in her family.

[bootlen]

Actually, history indicates they settled on, owned, and worked the land since about 4000 B.C. They had kings, government, and all the trappings of a settled nation, including being invaded and controlled by other nations. Those are the facts.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by bootlen
That's not a thought, remember. It's a prolonged fart.

This is great! I did not think you had this kind of satire in you booty. Glad I was wrong :D

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by coolwhip

Originally posted by double bubble
Go ahead and list them .

1. Arab people cannot become a citizen of israel and are treated as second class citizens on their own soil. Sounds like genecide to me.

2.According to the detroit news/freepress, israel has created toxins which can affect only arab people on a genetic level.

3. The mossad was designed and modeled after the SS. Their pins and adornments are very similiar to those worn by the SS.

4.Hitler got his idea for the master race from the jewish bible. After all, the jewish people do consider themselves as the master race.

You should read a book called " A portage to San Cristobal " by George Steiner.

Coolwhip; add this to your post on the Zionistic take over of the world publication and I'd have to say you have gotten yourself into the wrong crowd of thinkers. You are truly leaning heavily toward Aryan attitudes that are very unhealthy for all exposed.

[RoBoTeq]

Whoah....just got to the other posts by coolwhip.

Listen up cooly, you really need to expose yourself to a better mix of information. What you are coming off with is a very little bit of accuracy with a massive amount of anti-Jewish rhetoric taking the lead.

Keep in mind that when you go this route with the Jewish people, you undermine all of Judaism as well as all of Christianity. This is a very dangerous road you are traveling.

[coolwhip]

Ok Robin! where would I be without your superior knowledge and intellect. :rolleyes:

Remember, this is only a topic for discussion and there are several thousand other topics which I may or may not discuss in my lifetime. You guys can relax now. I promise not to take the road with your brand names and buzz words.

[Edited by coolwhip on 01-08-2006 at 12:39 AM]

[RoBoTeq]

Just suggesting you broaden you vision a little so you don't start thinking like rob10 :D

I have no quarrels with a man who does not believe as I do, but I will beat to death the man who wishes me harm because of my race, color or creed.

[coolwhip]

Robin, your post has nothing to do with the similarities I listed between israel and nazi germany. It seems like people can talk about how the US is screwing up and how bad iraq and N. korea are. But when someone mentions anything about israel watch out for the tantrums.

Also, when people read books and articles and choose to discuss what they have read, you should not be so quick to label that individual. This to me is a defense mechanism for those that feel they are backed into a corner. If you new me personally, then you would know I am not what your undertones would suggest me to be. I rarely watch television and so I read alot about many different subjects. Those that I find interesting or contraversal are usually the ones that are the most interesting to discuss. That is all, nothing more and nothing less. Try to maintain an open mind for there are truths written in all recorded knowledge and sometimes it may be up to the individual to read between the lines.

[Edited by coolwhip on 01-08-2006 at 10:05 AM]

[RoBoTeq]

Settle down cooly, you are absolutely correct that I don't know you personally as you don't know me personally. If you knew me personally you'd know that I will pull any chain any time I can without really thinking negatively about a person overall.

As far as talking negatively about Israel is concerned, no one backs off of that subject. Israel has been an embarrassment to the U.S. so many times it is almost taken for granted that they will do something stupid when we help them.

While there are always ways of claiming that any group resembles another group that is in fact very different, it is just a manipulitive game being played by those who create hateful attitudes. That is the trap and most extremist organization utilize that trap.

While Israeli's do some really stupid and hateful things themselves, they are not comparable to the Nazi regime. The comparison is only used to insult and degrade Jews. If we have not figured it out yet, Jews are humans just as the rest of us are. One Jew in particular is reverred by more non-Jews then is anyone outside of any race reverred by a massive amount of peoples.

[coolwhip]

"While there are always ways of claiming that any group resembles another group that is in fact very different, it is just a manipulitive game being played by those who create hateful attitudes. That is the trap and most extremist organization utilize that trap."


This is just your opinion Robo and I am always calm.

[TitleLess]

4 pages and you and no one can see the numbers, it was a stupid article. Close this thread already

[hvacker]

the ussr.george herbert walker was among the industrialists who created the "american international corporation " in 1915, to fund the bolshevic revolution....and their ties at brown bros harriman and kuhn loeb bank had funded lenin and stalin...

Puzzle me this. Why would a capitalist ever support a Bolshevic revolution????Hitler was suported and brought to power by capitalists as they knew he would never be a commie. The capitalists feared communism as they thought it was the next incarnation of wealth. The very idea that workers could control their destiny. Many of the intelectials thought this was the future in most industrial countries. Also Marxism was thought to be the natural evolvement of wealth. I guess this is what happens when you think too much. All the money American Corps. spent on making sure the commies never made headway in USA was not only spent by corp's but was also spent by our gov to make sure it didn't happen here.

I know it's hard if your under 50 or 60 to understend what a different world it was in America 60 years ago. It was an ultament propoganda experiance that was cool in as much as it definded freedom but was funded by the rich to make sure they got their end. Guess what,,, nothing has changed.

Those of you that are supporting the people that are on top while you dis the people on the bottom will never have good government and in time will never have your freedoms.

Those of you that support Bush's wire taps I would only wonder that if a Hitler would be in American's future and you were a Freedom Fighter how would you feel about wire taps???

NEVER SACRFICE YOUR LIBERTY!!

LISTEN... THEY LIE...THEY SCARE YOU... THEY CONTROL YOU!!
It's not too late.

[acmanko]

To many sheep now, everybodies afraid and they want a leader, but todays leaders only know were the cliffs are and the sheep are way to stupid, and a little nearsighted.