'We were going to have a baby Jesus burning party."'

[doglips]

Guess these 4 just won an express ticket to hell....sad what kids do now days.

Police: Teens Planned To Burn 27 Stolen Baby Jesus Statues

POSTED: 11:44 am EST January 3, 2006

SAYREVILLE, N.J. -- Four teens stole 27 baby Jesus statues from Nativity scenes outside churches and homes and planned to burn them, police said.

Two of the suspects, who ranged from 15 to 19 years old, said they acted out of boredom, authorities said.

"They were looking for things to do," Detective Ken Kelly said. "They told us, 'We were going to have a baby Jesus burning party."'

One suspect told detectives, "We just wanted to see their heads burning," Kelly said.

The suspects, who were arrested Monday, face charges of theft, criminal mischief, destruction of venerated objects and conspiracy, and could face up to five years in prison if convicted.

Robert Olson, whose 18-year-old son, Christopher, was charged, said he and his family were shocked by the arrest.

"Although Chris is sometimes misguided, this was not something we expected out of him," he said.

Olson said his son is unemployed and working toward resuming his high school education. The teen is on probation for a disorderly persons offense involving a disagreement with a neighbor, his father said.

"I hope my son and the others will come to grips with what they've done and make full restitution and get whatever help they need to get rid of those feelings," Olson said.

Frank Payne, whose 19-year-old son, Michael, also was charged, said bias was not a factor.

"Michael has been hanging around with the wrong people," he said. "He goes to college. He's an outstanding young kid."

Also charged were 18-year-old Nicholas Hess and a 15-year-old who was not identified due to his age, police said.
Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[bootlen]

Nah. Ya don't go to hell for being stupid.

[on call]

I wish it was not so:


For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Romans 1:21


For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:18

[tonys]

bible babble ROCKS...dude!

[John(Chicago)]

It's unfortunate that everyone completely misses the point for these kids. I could be wrong of corse but they are desperatly lacking something in their lives. I did stuff like that and worse when I was that age and only now am I coming to understand fully what my problem was. I desperatly wanted more out of life and wanted answers and no one had any answers or would give the time to even talk about the questions. I was having problems with my reality and surroundings and wanted to see what was out their and desperatly needed something more in the universe. I dared my fate and messes with ocult to see if their really was more to life than the mundain. It was a spirel into psycosis and it damaged me for sure but I now know and have great understanding.

These kids need something that they are not getting, probably along the lines of what I needed back then. Punishment and humiliation is not the answer, it will only single them out as "bad" and propogate. These are our kids, they need our help and our experience, our friendship and understanding with out judgment. It is only the arogance of formal religion and religious people that would single them out and condem them for something like this. Their parents are probably self absorbed, self centered, and are neglecting them in some way. They need to be mentored and talked with and shown the world. They need to see the big picture and be inspired to do what makes their lives the most fullfilled, then they will have permanently prevented this behavior from hapening again in the future from these kids, but what I just stated here is way too hard for people and these kids arent worth the effort, right.

[double bubble]

They need a kick in the ass . Who are you John Dr. Phil ?

[ruud-man]

Kids raising kids...

actually it is kids NOT raising kids....

[John(Chicago)]

Originally posted by double bubble
They need a kick in the ass . Who are you John Dr. Phil ?

OK so what, you kick there asses, then what? You think THAT is the answer, you think that is going to stop them. I remember in my freshman year or softmore, we had this new principal, Mr Stout, short guy but athletic. He liked to wait out behind the ticket booth to bust freshmans and softmores going "out" for lunch, whitch was against the rules. He did this for a time, till one day a gange of us( not me) waited and beat the ever living **** outa him, and he went back to his office empty handed and his suite all torn up, bleeding. He never hid behind the ticket booth again.

You kick their asses and eventually they will grow up and kick the **** outa you and it will have propegated, and to what end?

[on call]

I'm sorry, but those are NOT my kids. I, as a parent am my kids friend and helper, but more importantly, I am the authority in their lives.

Children need guidelines and it's up to the parents to instill them into their children. Hopefully, the guidelines (morals) of the parent(s) are positive ones.

It used to be that children were afraid to bring shame or dishonor to the family name. Unfortunately, many families have no honor to shame anymore.

[braces4impact]

They destroyed property that did not belong to them so they should be punished. if they were smart ( which obvioulsy they are not) they should have said that god said in the ten commandments no graven images and they were destroying them in the name of the lord bla bla bla.

[rob10]

Serve a few weekends in the local jail.

[John(Chicago)]

Punishment, of corse there must be consequeses for their action. No more servier than if they desicrated a hindue temple or budist temple though, fare is fare. Just because the predominant religion is cristianity doesnt make their crime more atroshess(SP?) than any other religios desicration.

What I'm say is that the way we deal with and look apon juvinile behavior is inept. Like I said, I did these very things and more, got busted, hurt many people and was sent to one of those "shock" programs, where they lock you up in the jail with the hard core in-mates and have them yell at you for an hour. So what, big deal, I had comunity service and other group activities and counseling. All it did was give me a group meeting place with all the other hard core juvenile delinquents so we could all trade stories and phone numbers. Their needs to be something more, some sorta counseling but better, different. The one thing about councelors and all that is that they cannot reach juveniles because they are not juvenile, they are "adults" and therfore not "the same",.. they need someone they can trust and relate too who can show them more.

[skrewt]

One person kicking their ass won't help.
The whole darn community has to kick their ass and hold them accountable.
We as a society have become sheep to the "lord of the flies" mentality. Lawyers are ever vigilant for the opportunity to sue someone like the teacher who used to hide behind the booth. If he had laid a single finger on one of those kids, even in self-defense, it would have meant a lawsuit.
When the society as a whole polices the behaviour of the children, we all live better.

School fills their heads with so much "end of the world" BS it's a wonder more teens don't commit suicide.
What's worse is the school system has become so complacent in its' discipline that students find the authority of teachers laughable.

We don't need to understand them or their motivations.
It's irrelevent in the grand scheme of things. Everyone has emotional turmoil in their lives, it must be taught early that no matter what you've got going on in your troubled little world, you have to behave responsibly.

[RoBoTeq]

Stupid kids just being stupid. The fact that these were icons that are revered by some should not alter the punishment. They should be prosecuted for whatever the standard is for vandalism, destruction of property and theft and nothing more.

A little bit of knowledge of biblical Jesus couldn't hurt either. I'm not really certain Jesus of the Bible would not have commended the destructive twerps.

[double bubble]

These kids have no fear of anything ,they just flat out dont care , we have to make them care . One way is fear of consequense and reprisal . fear is not nessaccerily a bad thing it keeps us from grabbing a 4160 volt line , it will save your life .

Probably the thing these kids fear the most is hard work .

[bootlen]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

A little bit of knowledge of biblical Jesus couldn't hurt either. I'm not really certain Jesus of the Bible would not have commended the destructive twerps.

Very good point, Robo. But I think God looks on the heart. Motive is very important. We know Jesus did something similar but with good motive.

[RoBoTeq]

So, some good points here. Fear is not always a bad thing, in fact, fear is a form of respect and certainly a way to respect.

So, is it really any revelation that our children need to have a bit more fear of consequences for their actions in order to instill a better understanding and guidance to a more respectful citizen? I think our judicial system has completely screwed up our values when it comes to respect via fear. The way our judicial system today is, it creates more of a challenge for youth to do wrong rather then give them a deterent for doing wrong.

And booty is of course correct that this action was not done with any good intent and would therefore not be commended by Jesus. I do however think that Jesuse would look less hatefully toward the actions of these boys then he would toward to divinity display itself.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq


And booty is of course correct that this action was not done with any good intent and would therefore not be commended by Jesus. I do however think that Jesuse would look less hatefully toward the actions of these boys then he would toward to divinity display itself.

Of course. Christ places human life above all other created things.

[remember]

what the kids did was pretty run of the mill adolecsent antics... and they got busted... and they ought to be punished....
but the punishment should fit the crime, what are 27 jesus dolls worth? that sounds like restitution time, not jail time. what; the jails have so much extra space, some kids who got caught doing MINOR vandalizing should fill up that space. the american taxpayer has nothing better to do with our money.

the eigth amendment, says something like the punishment shouldn't exceed the crime....it is against excessive fines


what moron prosecutor charged these deliquints with conspiracy and destuction of a holy item.... this stuff was private property. and according to civil laws, we cannot destroy other peoples personal property without punishment...
but to threaten these kids with up to five years... child molesters get less than that....now, that is a screwed up world. where child molesters get to walk out of court with suspended sentences and no time served, yet prosecutors waste public time and money charging kids who were goofing off with crimes, which would give them a record....just so the schmuck prosecutor can rack up convictions for his resume'.


and that is where I agree with john,

these kids do need something.they need a world that isn't totally screwed up, watching their country be run by a bunch of crooks, and watching their parents apologetics about why "it's complicated"... but offer no stand for what is right and what is wrong....

watching the most powerful people abuse their power,and not only get away with it... but get richer....

they aren't dumb, kids don't bother watching the news, because they can tell it is all a bunch of crap...you have a war for oil, that an entire segment of the population thinks is about freedom...

you have kids looking at these religous demogogues like the new pope.... wearing prada shoes... and still not doing anything about the sex abuse scandal that plagued his church for decades...


I'm with the kids.... all you ADULTS have a screwed up world, and I'm sick of listening to your crap about it being "complicated".... because sure it is.. everything is complicated.but we live in a corrupt society, run by corrupt officials, with greedy corporations corrupting everything yet unturned to their darkside... the country is being looted by the rich. the constitution is being eroded by the same rich...

kids think the world is boring.. and it is... the way they are being told about it...

look at a bunch of comprimising older people telling the youth about the world they would RATHER tell the children about,. Instead of the one that really exists....

look at people like screwed,now there is a person who is so plundered by his propaganda,he keeps coming out supporting the latest republican to get indicted.. and say," because BC lied about cheating on his wife... these guys can take bribes ,falsely start wars, corrupt the system in any way" and it is all the same...


look at the message of the drug war... someone says pot is against the law.. but they can't say why// but the commando cops spending billions of dollars to harrass pot smokers is ok....
kids see this as "nothing to live up to"

the example that has been shown is lacking....

and considering the the lowlifes on this forum who have no problem with the republican corruption, are the hardest on these kids.... that is hipocracy...pure and simple...

[refrigeration mafia]

Originally posted by doglips
Four teens stole 27 baby Jesus statues from Nativity scenes outside churches and homes and planned to burn them, police said.

I think the church goers should crucify the kids on the church lawn. Then let the angry crowd of christian blood drinkers shout insults at them. Like, "who's gonna save you now punks?"

Then is accordance with the law, (the patriot act) under paragraph 132, sub-section D, article III, the entire crowd of non-believers should be arrested for an act of domestic terrorism (Crucifictian of a minor), tried in secret without a jury of thier peers, then sent off to be tortured to see if they know Jesus.

[Edited by refrigeration mafia on 01-05-2006 at 09:32 PM]

[doglips]

I find is sad that these kids are vandles...worse that they have no respect for society..and especialy RELIGIOUS items...I also find it strange that IF they would have done this to ANY other religion other than Christians it would have been a called a "hate crime"....if they would have gathered up 29 Jewish or Muslim relgious Icons to burn...they would have been tared and feathered...but like someone posted IF IF IF IF they say they were offended by the Christian items...then they would most likely not be prosacuted.

[serviceman_wannabe]

the problem with these kids is their parents want to be their friend and not necessarily a parent. i have no problem being a friend a role model or whatever to my son but he also knows that i dont put up with any bull, if he does something he shouldnt be doing and he knows it i correct him.
i do agree that if this had been done to another religon these kids should be dealt with in the same manner, i dont think that just because it was a baby JESUS that the punishement is going to be any different.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by remember
what the kids did was pretty run of the mill adolecsent antics... and they got busted... and they ought to be punished....
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Sometimes I want to state that I agree with something that nomember states but she has to just keep on spewing out so much crap that her original statement gets lost in the rhetoric. Geeeezzzz, after you make a valid point, just STFU!

[bootlen]

How can you tell when remember makes a valid point.


I wonder...is there is a cure for oral diahrrea (or however ya spell it)?

[double bubble]

Yep I'm one of those who said these kids should be punished . But your wrong to assume that I'm for the repubs or the dems . Just believe kids should clearly know whats wrong and whats right . Got two ofem myself .