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James 3528
12-27-2005, 08:22 PM
Clinton Official: Sen. Leahy Wrong on Domestic Spying


Jeff Johnson, CNSNews.com
Saturday, Dec. 24, 2005
Claims by a top Senate Democrat that the Clinton administration's warrantless surveillance of suspected spies and terrorists was different from what the Bush administration has employed are being contradicted by a former Justice Department official who served under President Bill Clinton.

John Schmidt, who served as associate attorney general between 1994 and 1997, argues that both Congress and the Supreme Court have recognized presidents' "inherent authority" to bypass warrants in ordering the eavesdropping of U.S. citizens suspected of conspiring with foreign governments or terrorists to injure or kill Americans.

On Wednesday, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, chided reporters for suggesting that Clinton ordered the same kinds of surveillance of U.S. citizens as Bush. Leahy claimed in a press conference that Clinton acted under an "entirely different power.

"If you go back to Clinton and (President Jimmy) Carter, those are searches under a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) provision into embassies, foreign embassies, things of that nature," Leahy argued. "It's an entirely different situation."

But in at least one well-documented case, Clinton authorized domestic electronic surveillance of a U.S. citizen without a warrant. FBI agents were allowed to break into the home of 31-year CIA veteran Aldrich Ames in 1993 to install eavesdropping devices.

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An FBI summary of the case described it this way: "FBI Special Agents and Investigative Specialists conducted intensive physical and electronic surveillance of Ames during a ten-month investigation. Searches of Ames's residence revealed documents and other information linking Ames to the Russian foreign intelligence service."

The book "Main Justice: The Men and Women Who Enforce Our Nation's Criminal Laws and Guard Its Liberties," by The Washington Post's Jim McGee and U.S. News & World Report's Brian Duffy had much more detail.

"In the early morning hours of an autumn morning in 1993, an unmarked government sedan rolled slowly down an empty tree-lined street in Arlington. The FBI agents inside parked just up from a handsome two-story home. The agents knew the place well.

"Three months earlier, an FBI team had gone inside to bug the place. That operation had been a quick in and out. This time the agents planned to stay for a while. The owners were out of town on vacation. The house was vacant," the pair wrote. "With several hours to go before dawn, the FBI team slipped inside. They had with them the necessary equipment, but they did not have a warrant."

Though Ames's attorney initially planned to challenge the admissibility of the evidence collected through the warrantless searches and surveillance, Ames decided to plead guilty to espionage charges instead. He is serving life in prison without possibility of parole.


Law provides exceptions for surveillance without court order

Warrantless searches to gather foreign intelligence information are not new. In fact, there is language justifying them in the FISA law Leahy referenced.

The subchapter on electronic surveillance begins as follows:

"Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath" and if several other limiting conditions are met.

Those conditions include that there be "no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party."

A "United States person" is defined by the law as "a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence," and most associations and corporations, unless they are controlled by a foreign government or terrorist group.

Bush administration opponents have latched onto that limitation to condemn the White House's decision to bypass the federal courts and order the surveillance of calls and emails between U.S. citizens or lawful permanent aliens in the states and suspected terrorists or their supporters elsewhere.

"Requiring a judge to approve a wiretap is not a nicety that can be avoided by presidential decree - it is a fundamental rule of American democracy," wrote Ann Beeson, associate legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, in a press statement. "The government ignored the system authorized by Congress in favor of limitless power to spy on Americans."

But one section of the statute seems to contradict Beeson's claim.

"[N]o contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party shall be disclosed, disseminated, or used for any purpose or retained for longer than 72 hours unless a court order under [FISA] is obtained or unless the Attorney General determines that the information indicates a threat of death or serious bodily harm to any person." (Emphasis added.)

Schmidt, writing in the Chicago TribuneThursday, hinted that Presidents Clinton and Bush both may have relied on the "death or serious bodily harm" exception.

"Electronic surveillance of communications to or from those who might plausibly be members of or in contact with Al Qaeda was probably the only means of obtaining information about what its members were planning next," Schmidt wrote, analyzing Bush's decision-making dilemma after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. "FISA does not anticipate a post-Sept. 11 situation."

A handful of congressional Democrats, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), have suggested that Bush could be subject to impeachment for his decision. Republicans have dismissed those calls as political posturing. Other administration critics are threatening lawsuits to block similar surveillance in the future, but Schmidt doubts that tactic would be successful.

"What was needed after Sept. 11, according to the president, was surveillance beyond what could be authorized under that kind of individualized case-by-case judgment," Schmidt wrote. "It is hard to imagine the Supreme Court second-guessing that presidential judgment."

Copyright 2005 CNSNews.com. All Rights Reserved.





Source: One of many http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/12/23/210429.shtml

Leahy..how ironic. Had to resign his intell position for leaking.


Leaky Leahy

addfreon
12-27-2005, 08:44 PM
There ya go...open mouth, insert foot....Aldridge Ames was a top level CIA/FBI agent (a law and order anti-communist agent who sold his principles for money)
Who sold a NOC(non-official-cover ie. Valerie Plame types) list to foreign agents and enemies of our country.
Of course he was caught after years of counter-spying during the Regan/Bush junta by Bill Clinton ...Yeah, Not his administration, but the man himself. He had probable cause and he acted on it...he was personally involved. Suck on that Jimmy.
Clinton never authorized any broad base spying ...only that which would render true traitors of our country by name

Again, there never would have been a 9-11 if Gore were president...and you know it ya knuckle' draggin' cracker.

AF

James 3528
12-27-2005, 08:53 PM
So much for a cognitive response.



BTW Sniffy. ALgore lost his own state. Just thought I would remind you. LOL

addfreon
12-27-2005, 09:57 PM
He didn't lose nashville, knoxville, memphis or any other major population centers... Of course he did win the popular vote by 1/2 a million....need I remid you again...
Never would have been a 9-11 if gore were president....quite possibly a budjet surplus with national heathcare...stemcell research into cures for nerve-damadge,para-quadra pelegics...real cures on the horizon
we will never know...instead the minority vote of the knuckle' draggin' crackers in this country,like yourself,love war more than progress and hate more than understanding... This is Conservatism...Welcome America.

MadeinUSA
12-27-2005, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by addfreon
if gore were president....with national heathcare... You mean like the BIG LIE clintonian used to get in office originally. You meant the BIG LIE about having a national healthcare in the first 90 days in office that he slid to hitlary to round file once all you libs took that bait hook, line and sinker.

I do not think America would have gone for it twice.

geerair
12-28-2005, 01:53 AM
What james' cut and paste either ignores or is unaware of is that physical searches were not covered by FISA regulation during the time of the Ames investigation. Also ignored is the fact that Clinton complied with FISA regulation on wiretapping and that the Attorney General signed nine ceritifications to the FISA courts in support of applications for FISA surveillance during the Ames investigation. Bush on the other hand bypassed required FISA regulations while authorizing illegal surveillance.

The difference is that Clinton complied with current applicable law.

Bush ignored current applicable law. Impeach.

chucko615
12-28-2005, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by addfreon
Again, there never would have been a 9-11 if Gore were president...and you know it ya knuckle' draggin' cracker.

AF



How in the world can you say that, the pilots were here taking flight training for almost 2 years, while Clinton/gore were running things. Do you think for one minute that Gore being president would've stopped them.

James 3528
12-28-2005, 07:06 AM
No, he doesn't think for a minute, or a second.

skrewt
12-28-2005, 12:26 PM
There never would have been a 9/11 if Gore were in office.

He would have surrendered the country on January 21st, the day after taking office.

Oh by the way pea brain,
the 1993 wtc bombing happened under his watch....
pea brain

geerair
12-28-2005, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by skrewt
Oh by the way pea brain,
the 1993 wtc bombing happened under his watch....
pea brain Hmmmmmmmm.........A month after Clinton and Gore were sworn in. Sorry, Bush 41 gets the rap for that one.

BTW- There was no PDB warning of an imminent attack.



Hmmmmmmm........at least Bush 43 had a PDB.

skrewt
12-28-2005, 05:20 PM
link please

evidence please

prove it please

Ha ha ha ha I'm geerair, too lazy to do my own research
do it for me so I can pee on it.

James 3528
12-28-2005, 05:26 PM
LOL

bootlen
12-28-2005, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by skrewt
link please

evidence please

prove it please

Ha ha ha ha I'm geerair, too lazy to do my own research
do it for me so I can pee on it.

:D:D Almost as good as a pic.

geerair
12-28-2005, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by skrewt
link please

evidence please

prove it please

Ha ha ha ha I'm geerair, too lazy to do my own research
do it for me so I can pee on it.
So you dispute Clinton was sworn in Jan. 20, 1993?

So you dispute that the WTC was bombed Feb. 26, 1993?

So you dispute Clinton was given no warning of an imminent attack?

So you dispute the Aug. 6, 2001 PDB?

bootlen
12-28-2005, 10:13 PM
Skrewt, you are arguing with someone with the intelligence of an oil can. But you probably figured that out already.

bb
12-28-2005, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by addfreon
...and you know it ya knuckle' draggin' cracker.

AF




I know I have missed a few things going on in here for a while but is AF's comment racially motivated? How un-liberal. tisk tisk

bootlen
12-28-2005, 10:24 PM
Where ya been, bb?

Yeah, AF has gone off the deep end.

bb
12-28-2005, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by bootlen
Where ya been, bb?

Yeah, AF has gone off the deep end.

been very busy lately, you know making my 3rd million. lol:)

It appears that a few here have gone off of the proverbial "bridge".

bootlen
12-28-2005, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by bb


been very busy lately, you know making my 3rd million. lol:)

It appears that a few here have gone off of the proverbial "bridge".

Yeah, I gave up on the first 2 mil also.

Yup. Mafia and braces are trying to build their own bridge (out of rose petals), geer is trying to swim across, and remember can't find the river.

bb
12-28-2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by bb


been very busy lately, you know making my 3rd million. lol:)

It appears that a few here have gone off of the proverbial "bridge".

Yeah, I gave up on the first 2 mil also.

Yup. Mafia and braces are trying to build their own bridge (out of rose petals), geer is trying to swim across, and remember can't find the river.

Looked to me like nomember is trying to build one out of ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.