how long will nitro filled r22 units b available?

[jrpsimivalley]

when do u think the gov. will put a stop to nitrogen filled r22 units if ever?

[sweat hog]

As soon as dupont tells them to!

[hvacvegas]

Whenever carrier shoots themselves in the foot, which I believe they are attempting to do.

"R-22 dry units circumvent the epa regs!"
'Aren't you guys selling them?"
"ohhhh....crap."

[j.port_1990]

Don't take my word as the Divine Gospel on this one but when I was in school for HVAC this summer, I heard somewhere that the EPA wants to get rid of them within the next 5 years. Not sure, don't quote me.

[chuckcrj]

Carrier is lobbying the EPA to stop it.

[jeremyhall.tech.sc]

dry units are gonna be around awhile..... 8+ years i hear....

[Cooked]

Carrier is lobbying the EPA to stop it.

Yup, and Puron is a registered trademark of who?

[cehs]

When we are not allowed to sell DRY units, and when they phase out R410, what will we be allowed to sell then???
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[knowledge]

As long as there is a market $$$$$$$$$ for them they will be available

[garyed]

You never know what the gov is going to do but I don't see how they can stop any manufacturer who wants to make a dry unit. All they need to do is label the unit for 422b or 417a or whatever HFC refrigerant is compatible with R22. I'm sure there's no law saying that manufacturers have to use 410a only as the new refrigerant.

[bunny]

As always, follow the money trail.

Carrier put all of their eggs in the 410A (Puron) basket. Their corporate marketing decision. They completely missed the boat on what consumers wanted, especially in this pitiful economy...an inexpensive alternative to replacing their entire system resultant to losing a condensing unit, with that only alternative being all new R-410A equipment, and the additional labor to install it.

Of course, Carrier's competitors saw another opportunity, and cashed in on it. Carrier being who they are, rather than joining the party have tried to control the party....they have lobbied hard to have this overturned....to no avail.

They dry units will be available as long as there is a demand for them, just as replacement R-22 compressors will be available as long as there is a market for them.

Interesting article about this issue. Make no mistake about this...their stance is entirely driven by sales $$ and corporate pride.

[timebuilder]

You guys are partially correct.

The dry units will be made until the replacement for 410A is rolled out. So, my guess it ten years, minimum.

In 15 months, the epa will be getting a haircut, so lobbying to make 410A only will be futile. I think they already see that writing on the wall.

[garyed]

My guess is the determining factor is going to be the price of R22.
When it starts getting too high that will cause an end to the demand for dry units.

[stickinit2thman]

You guys are partially correct.

The dry units will be made until the replacement for 410A is rolled out. So, my guess it ten years, minimum.

In 15 months, the epa will be getting a haircut, so lobbying to make 410A only will be futile. I think they already see that writing on the wall.Replacement for R-410a? I knew it wasnt the end all be all. So this is gonna happen or are you just speculating? And hopefully it will be high pressure or theres gonna be alot of pissed off people.Also thats not something you want to get out, think of how hard it will be to sell the410 stuff. If people thought that then most will replace components till the new stuff comes out. When is it gonna stop? Maybe they should do away with the EPA!

[timebuilder]

There are some factions in the hard core environmental movement that want NO air conditioning or refrigeration. They are almost Luddites about it.

Of course, that won't be a base of power they can wield.

We will see new refrigerants soon. Too many problems and too much brouhaha about the disappointments of 410A.