KMC Kset controller configuration program

[debug69]

Hello All,

I'm trying to replace a KMC- 5502 (obsolete control board) with a new KMC-5802. I'm using the Kset (DOS) program to configure the 5802 with the KMC- 5557 RS-232 to 485 converter but not having any success in connecting. I have left the Lan unplugged and the transmit light is blinking rapidly but I keep getting a panel not ready error when I try to modify and send the controllers address, network, baud rate ect. I have tried to connect using the following baud rates 9600,19200 and 38400. Are the new boards able to be configured with the Kset program or do I need to get a different program? The system is using WinControl XL plus Build 2.04 for the frontend can I address new controller by connecting it directly to frontend and then installing it in the field?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

[DaveCR]

I'm not certain, but you need Hardware Control Manager (HCM) to configure the 5802.

[debug69]

Thanks for the input DaveCR!
Is Hardware Control Manager (HCM) available for resale to customers or contractors? If so is there a distributer that my customer or myself can purchases this software. The customer would prefer not to deal with the local KMC dealer and has been able to purchase a stock of 5802 controllers but would like my company to replace them and program them as necessary.
Thanks in advance.

[#1servicetech]

HCM Comes with wincontrol. it should already be on the computer that has wincontrol on it.

[dapper]

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think that you can configure the newer controllers with the old InControl software. I am assuming that is what you are using.
The WinControl software is available but you will have to go to a dealer to purchase it. You will also have to purchase a UBS dongle to unlock the software. Oh, and more bad news. The 5557 doesn't work on the new controllers either, you will need the 5576.

[debug69]

Thanks all for the replies!

I didn't see any other programs related to KMC installed accept WinControl, but I will take a deeper look when I return to the site next week. The system used to have a InControl front end but this was upgraded to WinControl XL Plus 2.04 something a few years back and the WinControl install disk seem to have disappeared. Is HCM installed separately from the WinControl install disk? Also is Tech Tools available from the WinControl install disk? I ask because it appears that in order to upgrade a KMC-5502 program to a KMC-5802 board the 5502 PRG file must be converted to a newer PNL file. I found this noted in the KMC product catalog.We will look into purchasing the WinControl XL Plus software and new 5576 converter and cables if we can not locate the original install disk but I'm hoping to find some confirmation that all the necessary tools are available to do this upgrade with the WinControl XL plus software package. If any one has done this upgrade in the past has any pointers or know gotchas that you could share it would be greatly appreciated.

[bobcontrols]

You can use Kset to change address and baud rate on a new board, but thats about it. To access new features you will need HCM. AIC's have access to a utility program called PFC (Program File Converter, that can convert a old ?.prg file to a new ?.pnl file to replace a 5500 with a 5800, or a 6000 with a 7000 model panel. May be able to even help you convert the panel files for you! Email in profile.

[debug69]

Thanks for the info Bobcontrols!
This is good news about Kset. Could you confirm the COM port configuration for connecting directly to 5802 controller with Kset?
I'm using a Windows 95 machine with COM Port 1 (serial) configured like this.

Bits per sec 9600 (I have tried 19200 and 38400)
Data Bits 8
Parity None
Stop Bits 1
Flow Control None

Device Manager shows COM Port 1 working correctly.

I did not have any luck the last time I was on site connecting (Kept getting panel not ready error. Note Lan was disconnected and Transmit Light blinking rapidly).I am not confident the KMC 485 to 232 converter and cables that I was given from the customer may not have been the problem, they are pretty beaten up. I have contacted a KMC dealer today for pricing on the new USB to EIA 485 converter and cables and a new copy of WinControl XL plus with (HCM) but I haven't heard anything back yet.

Will be returning to the site next week and would like to give Kset a second try.

I will shoot you an email for more insight and info on the panel file conversion process. All input is greatly appreciated.

Debug69

[bobcontrols]

You should be all set. Take some known good cables to the site with you, to eliminate the possibility of a bad converter connection. Try rebooting the panel by pulling the power jumper. Factory boards ship with address 124, running @ 38400 bps. Kset/HCM auto searches the proper baud rate when attempting to connect. You need to get the USB hockey-puck style converter. Good luck and check your mail!

[bobcontrols]

Tried to send you some zipped files but your profile email fails on delivery.

[debug69]

Hi Bobcontrols,

I have sent you a alternative contact email to your Hotmail account. I have had problems in the past sending .zip files through Gmail. I have had to change them to something like .jar to get them through. When you have a chance take a look at your Hotmail account.FYI- I have received some positive pricing on WinControl and the cables but little info on Panel File Converter.

With Kind Regards,

Debug69

[bobcontrols]

Emailed what you need! Try to buy a KMD-5576 USB dongle, and use HCM with XP or Win7. Load USB driver so you end up having a USB comm port X, installed in windows hardware manager. Kset will run on a dos box in XP, but HCM is easy and compatible with both old and new KMC panels. Also, if your customer has no need to integrate anything thru BacNet, stay with WinControl V2 or at least upgrade to WinControl XL+, which is the current upgrade of KMC's operating system software. The next step would be KMC TotalControl, a web based SQL driven software platform, and you can add a bacnet module in the future. good luck!

[churchhvac]

Is the KMC 7301 a compatible replacement for the KMC 5502 ?

What is a ball park figure for upgrading from the old in control "purple" software to the newest version of Wincontrol?

Got a bunch of 5502 boards out and weighing whether or not to replace whole system or just upgrade partially as they go out, compatibility is my concern.

[debug69]

Churchhvac,

Looking at KMC's catalog under the controller replacement cross- reference the official replacement for a 5502 is a KMD-5802. If the old controller contains PHONE / HANGUP statements, the program should be rewritten prior to using the PNL file converter tool.I'm new to the KMC product line but have a site with lots to work with and would be happy to help out when I can.

[bobcontrols]

Is the KMC 7301 a compatible replacement for the KMC 5502 ?

What is a ball park figure for upgrading from the old in control "purple" software to the newest version of Wincontrol?

Got a bunch of 5502 boards out and weighing whether or not to replace whole system or just upgrade partially as they go out, compatibility is my concern.

A KMD-7301 is a 4in/4out, tier 2 controller, and a KMD-5502 is an 8in/8out, tier 2 controller. So no, they are not compatible replacements as such, yet they are compatible peers on a KMC network. The 6000 series controllers were superseded by the 7000 series. The 5500 series panels were replaced by the 5800 series controllers. The difference in old style panels and newer style panels are; additional memory to accommodate increase in variables points, trend logs, along with newer functions added to ControlBasic, among others new features. Your old DOS based InControl program will work with the old style panels, but not with new style ones. So you are better off purchasing Wincontrol XL+, in its currently marketed version, and you'll be able to handle both old and new style controllers on the same network. Ballpark figure for software upgrade may top around 2.5k, plus about two hours of programming/commissioning per controller. I still have a 1994 made, vintage 6900 board, online with 95 other 5800's, 7300's, and 5502's, on the same network, so compatibility would not be a concern to worry.

[controldude]

Debug,
You said you don't want to use the local kmc rep. You could try Jim H. @AMS or Kevin R. @ Air Comfort in Ft. Collins. Both of these guys are Reliable reps. I'm guessing you are in Co. since it says Front Range. Good Luck