Trane WCD180B300DA

[hvact]

Trane WCD180B300DA
Will a digital thermostat model BAYSENS019B work on this unit. Trane says in will and I can't get it todo anything other than power up, the wiring diagram does not even look correct for this unit. Help,

[Allen]

Hi hvact,
Yes, the 19B will work with that heat pump. It doesn't have a switch for emergency heat.
Depending upon the age of the heat pump, you may have to adjust the Baud rate of the thermostat in the options menu.
That would be the first thing that I would check.
Good Luck,
Allen

[bku46]

Maybe you should read the paper that came with the tstat or did you wipe your ass with it.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
Maybe you should read the paper that came with the tstat or did you wipe your ass with it. Hey!! Easy there big boy.. Maybe he doesnt understand the conversion, if any, He is asking a question. Would you like a reply like that to one of your questions? Unless you know everything????? I dont think soooo.

[bku46]

ultatech, I do nkow it all.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
ultatech, I do nkow it all. Oh, sorry about that. Your just here to make stupid comments.

[hvact]

I have looked at read and tried the wiring diagram. The thermostat is 24 volt powered, The wiring diagram calls for the stat to be powered from (the heatpump)terminal 14 (24 volt) and the common from terminal 11 if it's voyager I, II LTB, voyager III LTB1, Intellipak TB4, and Precedent J6.

The problem I have is that the terminal 14 is 24 volts ac fused (out). And terminal 11 is supposed to be the common for the stat but terminal 11 is 32 volts DC.

SO my question is. Why am I using terminal 11 (32 volt dc)as a common for a 24 volt stat.

I am replacing a Baysens009B stat with the Baysens019B programmable stat.

I hope this gives enough info to help me out. If anymore information will help just ask.

Thanks for the help,and comments of a negative nature should not be used here. But I'm sure some people know it all from birth. I ask, read and listen to learn. I guess somethings wrong with me.

[sonc]

Originally posted by bku46
ultatech, I do nkow it all.

I used to think I was the biggest dickhead on here...hehe

[jrbenny]

Have you actually measured 32 VDC on terminal 11? It is supposed to be a common terminal. 11 common, 12 32VDC serial communication, & 14 24VAC.

[dan sw fl]

Originally posted by bku46
ultatech, I do know it all.

Hopefully, Boss will place
FULL Restiction
on this NON-Pro !

[Edited by dan sw fl on 06-26-2005 at 08:58 AM]

[Senior Tech]

Originally posted by bku46
ultatech, I do nkow it all.


Except how to spell...you rude, inconsiderate jerk. Take it to another site.

[hvact]

I did not actually check terminal 11 but the diagram on the equipment states in to be 32 vdc.
I will check this when I return to the church, The reason I ask about this stat is it's not listed in the equipment manual as a usable programmable stat. I know this is a newer stat and the equipment was manufactured in 1993, so this stat would not be listed in the manual of this equipment.
This will be long, but I'm going to throw it all out here. It may not be needed but I'll tell all that I know about this unit.
Ok I know that the old stat that is on the unit now is using 5vdc and it is connected to the 5vdc inputs on the terminal strip.
This new programmable stat has a wiring diagram that show me connecting this stat to 32vdc outputs on the terminal strip.
Now terminal 20 is 24vac common, So I could power the stat from terminal 14 -24vac and terminal 20 -24vac common. But this is not what the print with the stat states.
Here is the wiring diagram of the terminal strip in the unit.
1---5v logic level dc,z temp, for zsm input to ucp
2---5v logic level dc,common for zsm input to ucp
3---5v logic level dc,csp, for zsm input to ucp
4---5v logic level dc, mode, for zsm input to ucp
5---5v logic level dc,hsp, for zsm input to ucp
6---32vdc,led common, output from ucp to zsm
7---32vdc,heat led, output from ucp to zsm
8---32vdc,cool led, output from ucp to zsm
9---32vdc,sys on led,output from ucp to zsm
10---32vdc,service led, outputfrom ucp to zsm
11---32vdc common output from ucp to programmable zsm or activate time clock.
12---32vdc,communication link input/output from ucp to programmable zsm or activate time clock.
13---24vac,cpri disable input for lpci
14---24vac,fused through ucp output from tnsi transformer secondary.
15---24vac,cpr2 disable input for lpc2
16---24vac,output from tnsi transformer secondary"emergency stop"
17---24vac, input from tnsi transformer secondary"emergency stop"
18---5vdc logic level common, input to uem supply air sensor
19---5vdc logic level,input to uem.supply air sensor
20---24vac common, output from tnsi transformer secondary.
1 test input "initates test mode"
2 test input "initates test mode"

Now the stat that is there now is connected to
1,2,3,4,5,6,7 from the same numbers on the stat
The new stat has this diagram
Common 11 on stat to 11 on unit.
Communications 12 on stat to 12 on unit.
24vac 14 on stat to 14 on unit.
7 heat status(ucm input)on stat to 7 on unit.
8 cool status (ucm input) on stat to 8 on unit.
9 system status(on/off input) on stat to 9 on unit.
10 service status (ucm input) on stat to 10 on unit
S1 remote sensor
S2 remote sensor
Aux Relay (closed Ocuupied)
Aux Relay (common)
Aux Relay (closed-unoccupied)
So I wired it this way and the display would pulse bright and dim but still readable. This I assumed came from the 32vdc common used for a 24vac stat.I did'nt have time to check anything else.
I hope this helps explain why I'm here. This is a freebie job for a church that is struggling to save money. We decided to go with programmable stats to save on energy bills.
I know that what I do there will have a meaning someday, I hope that others here can be forgiven for things they say here.
Thanks to all the helpful technicians here.

[jrbenny]

Right Click, Save As: http://www.westernairsystems.com/downloads/files/microprocessor.zip

You'll need a copy of Winzip to extract the file. It's free here: http://www.download.com/WinZip/3000-2250_4-10404821.html?tag=lst-0-1

Go to page 137. Compare the old style terminal board to the new style terminal board. Your description indicates a new style board.

You need to use terminal 11, 12, and 14. Common is common. It doesn't matter DC or AC. They're both going to ground on the UCP. It seems that you have it connected properly. There seems to be a possible problem with your wiring or UCP outputs or terminal board connections.

Have you cleaned the jumpers between 13, 14, and 15? You are having LCD display issues. That indicates a problem with your 24VAC supply. Pop the jumpers and clean with some crocus cloth.

[bku46]

OK, Listen and listen good, write it down. First run the unit thru test mode, that will rule out any problem with the UCP, ok now if that checks out, then here are your LTB1 connections as follows: 14= 24 volts a/c 20= 24 volt common.
7=fan 1=cool1 4=cool2 5=heat1 3=heat2 your stst is a 24 volt stat, wire it up and lets put this elementry problem to bed. yea, Im good.

[Allen]

Hi Hvact,
You stated the unit was manufactured in 1993, The Baud rate is set wrong in the programmable thermostat. The options menu of the thermostat needs to accessed and adjusted to the slower of the two Baud rates.
You can access the options menu of the thermostat by pressing and holding the Mode and Program keys simultaneously until the display changes to two numbers, one number the option the second number is the setting. You want option number 18. For your unit manufactured in 1993 and any unit manufactured before 1996, this must be set to "0".
Also menu option 19 selects CV for gas or electric and HP for heat pump.
Good Luck,
Allen

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
OK, Listen and listen good, write it down. First run the unit thru test mode, that will rule out any problem with the UCP, ok now if that checks out, then here are your LTB1 connections as follows: 14= 24 volts a/c 20= 24 volt common.
7=fan 1=cool1 4=cool2 5=heat1 3=heat2 your stst is a 24 volt stat, wire it up and lets put this elementry problem to bed. yea, Im good. Hummmmm. Not that good! The terminal #'s you gave him were incorrect. If he was using a conventional t stat and had the interface installed, then those terminals could be correct. He said I am installing a BAYSENS019B. That is NOT a conventional stat. It is a NSB stat used on trane only. The terminals he needs 11,12,14....7,8,9,10.. I think I know the problem you are having. Read the paper work, on the options page, Dont remember the options #, It will say on older Voyager units manufactured before (whatever date) you will need to set this option too (whatever #) it tells you. I had this same problem once. You dont have conventional stat on there now right? OOPPPSSSS.. Found it, like was stated by someone else, its the baud rate menu #18 in the programming menu. Units built before Jan. 1 1996 will need a baud rate of 1024.. its setting #0, default is 1 for a baud rate of 1200. You enter the programming menu by holding the MODE KEY and the PROGRAM KEY together for 4 sec.. Set option # 18 too 0 (zero)

[ultratec]

Ok, credit to allen!! You beat me too it, I went out to the truck after reading the really smart persons post, came back, hit reply and started to type, while reading the Literature on the Baysen19so19b.. I couldnt find the baud rate option, then found it.. I had this same problem once too lmao..

[bku46]

Like I said, if you read the info that comes with the stat and follow the directions I think any ass can figure it out but some guys cant read.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
Like I said, if you read the info that comes with the stat and follow the directions I think any ass can figure it out but some guys cant read. YOUR THE ASS! You gave him the wrong info, cant you read??? He said the stat # he was using, you still gave the wrong info.. Remember what you said??? "Ok listen and listen good,I am only going to say this one time so write it down" Boy, you need help!

[jrbenny]

Originally posted by bku46
OK, Listen and listen good, write it down. First run the unit thru test mode, that will rule out any problem with the UCP, ok now if that checks out, then here are your LTB1 connections as follows: 14= 24 volts a/c 20= 24 volt common.
7=fan 1=cool1 4=cool2 5=heat1 3=heat2 your stst is a 24 volt stat, wire it up and lets put this elementry problem to bed. yea, Im good. Dear Retard,
Let's try giving some advice that might actually work. Try reading the guy's post instead of being an ass. If you can't help yourself and must be an ass, keep it to yourself.

[Edited by jrbenny on 06-27-2005 at 08:51 PM]

[jrbenny]

Originally posted by ultratec

Originally posted by bku46
OK, Listen and listen good, write it down. First run the unit thru test mode, that will rule out any problem with the UCP, ok now if that checks out, then here are your LTB1 connections as follows: 14= 24 volts a/c 20= 24 volt common.
7=fan 1=cool1 4=cool2 5=heat1 3=heat2 your stst is a 24 volt stat, wire it up and lets put this elementry problem to bed. yea, Im good. Hummmmm. Not that good! The terminal #'s you gave him were incorrect. If he was using a conventional t stat and had the interface installed, then those terminals could be correct. He said I am installing a BAYSENS019B. That is NOT a conventional stat. It is a NSB stat used on trane only. The terminals he needs 11,12,14....7,8,9,10.. I think I know the problem you are having. Read the paper work, on the options page, Dont remember the options #, It will say on older Voyager units manufactured before (whatever date) you will need to set this option too (whatever #) it tells you. I had this same problem once. You dont have conventional stat on there now right? OOPPPSSSS.. Found it, like was stated by someone else, its the baud rate menu #18 in the programming menu. Units built before Jan. 1 1996 will need a baud rate of 1024.. its setting #0, default is 1 for a baud rate of 1200. You enter the programming menu by holding the MODE KEY and the PROGRAM KEY together for 4 sec.. Set option # 18 too 0 (zero) Good job, guys. My Trane skills are getting a little rusty.

[bku46]

I hope the customer isnt getting billed for your in experience. What would you do if you had a real problem, Maybe you should just call a Trane tech next time.

[jrbenny]

You wouldn't have fixed it. You'd have called Clarksville and been on hold for an hour hoping someone would bail your ass. Then, DA and JW would have laughed at your dumb ass and told you to read the manual.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
I hope the customer isnt getting billed for your in experience. What would you do if you had a real problem, Maybe you should just call a Trane tech next time. Really? I hope you wouldnt be the guy they send out, this tech would have had the problem fixed faster and would have cost the customer less, hummmmm. Seriously though, why do have to be the way you are, is it because you just cant help it? Try being alittle helpful, if you can, you said you know it all and obviously by your past posts in this and other threads, you dont. Maybe you need a sit down w/ Mr Dalton to help w/ your lack of experience and conduct on this site.

[Edited by ultratec on 06-28-2005 at 09:08 PM]

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
OK, Listen and listen good, write it down. First run the unit thru test mode, that will rule out any problem with the UCP, ok now if that checks out, then here are your LTB1 connections as follows: 14= 24 volts a/c 20= 24 volt common.
7=fan 1=cool1 4=cool2 5=heat1 3=heat2 your stst is a 24 volt stat, wire it up and lets put this elementry problem to bed. yea, Im good. Do I need to remind you this??/ WRONG!!!!!

[sonc]

"Maybe you should just call a Trane tech next time"

LOLOL..Buddy, you're a riot.

The day I call a Trane tech for anything other than directions to the nearest coffee shop is the day I hang up the gauges for good.

[hvact]

Originally posted by bku46
I hope the customer isnt getting billed for your in experience. What would you do if you had a real problem, Maybe you should just call a Trane tech next time.

Ok Mr smart guy if you can read or is someone reading this to you and typing for you. I said it was a freebie for a local church they won't be billed. But thanks for being the guy you are you %^#%$@ hole.Read what was written before you make replies. Or can you read? I'm going to stop because I'm starting to look like an ass like you. I'm a Carrier 19xr,19xl,and 30 series chiller tech. Don't recall wiring one of these stat on one of these machines but I bet you have you know it all. I bet you kicked the dog on this one because thats the kinda man you are. I mean boy, lil boy.
I'll be back with a different user name guys because I had to ruin this one with bku46 who know's it all except he can't even remember what was written before he writes.

Thanks, Guys

Hey

And to all you real techs THANKS A LOT FOR THE HELP.
A

[ultratec]

Hvact, what are you talking about, you did everything right, dont you see that? There is always a bad apple in the bunch. If you did anything that this numbskull told you to do, you would have been worse off. Did you get everything going w/ the info you have recieved,( setting the baud rate and telling the control it was a HP) or is there anything else on this Trane machine we could help you with. You obviously see who NOT to listen too. This is a great site and there are many smart people, there are also idiots lol.. We are all here to learn and help one another, well, most are.

[Edited by ultratec on 06-28-2005 at 09:51 PM]

[bku46]

Let me tell you want a be mechanics something, I do know my **** and thats why I make 38.00 per hr. I installed many of these Trane stats with no problem, In fact I work for Trane. I get you guys all the time who need sombody to hold there hand because your to stupid to read and follow directions giving to you, Its always, the paper or directions were wrong, give me a break, You guys just dont get the training you need to be a real mechanic like us real techs.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
OK, Listen and listen good, write it down. First run the unit thru test mode, that will rule out any problem with the UCP, ok now if that checks out, then here are your LTB1 connections as follows: 14= 24 volts a/c 20= 24 volt common.
7=fan 1=cool1 4=cool2 5=heat1 3=heat2 your stst is a 24 volt stat, wire it up and lets put this elementry problem to bed. yea, Im good. I will say it again.. This is wrong.. WRONG. How you justify this statement? The stat being instatlled is a BAYSENS019B. You said you installed lots of them, I guess you dont.

[bku46]

I gave you the conventional stat wire terminations jack ass I realize that. I could give you the proper terminations for the Baysensor but your a ahole and you can figure it out yourself.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
I gave you the conventional stat wire terminations jack ass I realize that. I could give you the proper terminations for the Baysensor but your a ahole and you can figure it out yourself. Hummmmm. Not that good! The terminal #'s you gave him were incorrect. If he was using a conventional t stat and had the interface installed, then those terminals could be correct. He said I am installing a BAYSENS019B. That is NOT a conventional stat. It is a NSB stat used on trane only. The terminals he needs 11,12,14....7,8,9,10.. I think I know the problem you are having. Read the paper work, on the options page, Dont remember the options #, It will say on older Voyager units manufactured before (whatever date) you will need to set this option too (whatever #) it tells you. I had this same problem once. You dont have conventional stat on there now right? OOPPPSSSS.. Found it, like was stated by someone else, its the baud rate menu #18 in the programming menu. Units built before Jan. 1 1996 will need a baud rate of 1024.. its setting #0, default is 1 for a baud rate of 1200. You enter the programming menu by holding the MODE KEY and the PROGRAM KEY together for 4 sec.. Set option # 18 too 0 (zero) This is what I said.. I think I know the terminations.. LMAO

[bku46]

Whatever, Thats why I make the big bucks and you dont.

[ultratec]

Originally posted by bku46
Whatever, Thats why I make the big bucks and you dont. Hummm, didnt know techs with your knowledge made big bucks, I thought they were 1 or 2 year techs. I know peolple that make $20 an hour, two of these people work for me (Judging by your constant incorrect posts, lack of knowledge, sarcasim and obvious lack of experience in this trade) Know alot more then you, I would rather have them infront of a customer or infront of an 80ton Trane then you(even a 2 ton). You need to get a reality check, you obviously think you know it all ( havent seen one post or reply that you made that was correct or even gave good advice to the person asking for help, all you say is that the person is a jackass and cant read, call a real(trane tech) How do you make it through every day? Do you drop off parts that are needed to the techs in your company? Dont you feel guilty taking a pay check from Trane? I cant believe I am stooping to your level on this subject. Just go back and read your answers you give to people, your a rude person w/ INCORRECT info. Be like everyone else on this great site, We are all here to help and learn, but not you, you say you know it all, and obviously DONT.. I want to say I am sorry to everyone on this site for bringing this trash in and bringing this forum down!!! I truly am SORRY, this ass just gets under my skin.

[Edited by ultratec on 06-29-2005 at 07:02 PM]

[jeffflk]

$38.00 p/h really isn't "big bucks" for a seasoned tech. Yes granted, I do believe my helper makes $37.50, so bku, you wouldn't be lookin for a job would ya..I'm gonna need someone to start carring my tools, as he is getting promoted into his own truck. making ok bucks @$42.00 p/h.
I can tell your mind is weak, but is your back strong?

[service guy]

Originally posted by bku46
I gave you the conventional stat wire terminations jack ass I realize that. I could give you the proper terminations for the Baysensor but your a ahole and you can figure it out yourself. What are we in First Grade?

[sonc]

Hey bku46


http://www.imagewiz.net/usr/hvac1/11522_your_a_fag_lol.jpg

[service guy]

Ha Ha Ha thats too funny!!!!!!!!

[jrbenny]

That is a funny pic! Too damn funny!