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Hey fellow ice machine people have any of you had some Scotsman bin eyes keep getting build up on them???
I have a Scotsman mod:CME656AS-32D that I have had to clean the bin eye three times in the last two months..I have pulled the eyes completely out and soaked them on all occasions.There is no over spray during freeze and no signs of water dripping on to them. Also no scratches seen on the lenses.
I have not seen them with a full bin of ice yet because we are only called out when there is NO ice in the bin. (The bin full light is on and the unit is off due to full bin).
Has any one put a bin control in a Scotsman?
This is at a Mc Donald's ( if that is not the problem:) ).
Any Ideas would surly help out,
06-09-2005, 06:35 PM
i 'll take it its installed in the kitchen? i ve had a similar problem with a cme1356 for a few yrs, i found that using ice(slime )guards helped a great deal, stopped getting the "we got no ice" calls every month. Also since its a Mcd, they dont clean it often that could be part of the problem. I fought that aircooled ice machines in any fast food kitchen is a no-no, the rate at which they slime up is unbelievable.
If in doubt try to sell them a water cooled unit.
06-09-2005, 06:42 PM
I only service a half-dozen CME Scotsman machine with eyes, but in my experience with them the eyes are failing more often than fouling. None of the eyes that I've replaced have failed yet, so maybe it was the early versions that had problems.....like their controllers (pre-blue);).
As for changing to a bin thermostat, I don't think the controller will like that approach. It not only uses the bin eyes to sense a full bin, but it also measures and adjusts the length of harvest by watching the cubes drop. There may be a bin 'stat kit available allowing for a customized bin level control, but I'll bet you still need functional eyes.
06-09-2005, 06:58 PM
i have a customer in mammoth lakes calif..im in there every 45 days cleaning those eyes..the machine has 4 filters..that are changed every month..
the slim is terrable..the machine is not in the kitchen..
06-09-2005, 07:00 PM
Yeah, I been there too, usually dirty grunge in the water......but the new eyes are updated and so is the controller as of about 2 years ago, should be a blue one.
06-09-2005, 07:07 PM
i agree the new eyes are better than eyes that came with the black controller units...
06-09-2005, 11:02 PM
The eyes have it.........
06-10-2005, 01:29 PM
If You Still Have The Black Controller, With Original Eyes,...What Happens Is The Plastic Eyes Lens, Get Cloudy For Age, The Controller Learns From Each Harvest...This Is Why When You First Change It Out, It Takes 7 Min On The Batch To come Out Of Defrost.
The Best Thing To Do, Is Change The Board And Eyes....Remember New Eyes And Old Board Don't Work, And Visa Versa.
06-10-2005, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Diceman
The eyes have it.........
That's your shortest post yet!:D
Thank You all for your replies.
This is a newer unit with a blue control module and I think the newer eyes.
I'll be tiring to contact Scotsman about a bin control but as icemeister said it may not be to fruitful.
06-10-2005, 04:27 PM
the only thing that a bin control will do is enable you to regulate the ice level in the bin, that it, as icemeister said "you still need functional eyes." for the unit to operate they way it was designed. the guys over at scotsmen tech support are very good, i have meet their boss a few times, one of the better companies for tech support
06-10-2005, 05:36 PM
I have the same problem yesterday,CLEAN BOHT EYES and reset the unit again.Presse the off switch went all lightbulbs on the unit is in condicion, But you have to wait the unit finish the process. HAVE CALM AND WAIT
06-10-2005, 07:28 PM
the machine im working on EVERY 45 days
is new also............
06-11-2005, 08:31 AM
have u tried any type of them slime control things on that ice machine? if not try them, they might help
06-11-2005, 11:16 AM
im not the one that changes their filters, the dood that does showed me a manatowac bag of stuff tht hes trying the last time i was there..
06-11-2005, 11:23 AM
i was more thinking of the ones i use, that u zip tie to the tray and sit in the water reservior. they last about 6 months. i think nu calgon makes it
[Edited by mcd doc on 06-11-2005 at 11:25 AM]
06-11-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by mcd doc
i was more thinking of the ones i use, that u zip tie to the tray and sit in the water reservior. they last about 6 months
I used them a few times, they help somewhat, but they ain't cheap.
06-11-2005, 11:27 AM
no there not
06-11-2005, 02:15 PM
he gave me a bag of the stuff
im not sure how it works, its says: "open the foil pouch containing the ICE SENTRY sachet and hang or place the sachet in the ice chamber out of direct contact with water or ice."
sounds like witch craft to me..there was no other mechinizim with the box that contained the bags...so im not sure how it works..
06-11-2005, 05:24 PM
The Manitowoc sachet is made by Englehardt/Ecolab (http://www.engelhard.com/Lang1/xDocID61991CBE60334C458A39351FAC2D1FDE/xDocTable_News/Tab_Overview/TechnologyClassID0/MarketID0/TechnologyID0/ApplicationID0/ProductID0/up1/SubSiteID0). It works through a continuous release of chlorine dioxide gas.
I've tried them with mixed results.
Follow up on "The Eyes"
I found that the build up on the eyes was from the finished cubes when the bin was full. The employees would tunnel under the top part and remove the ice so thew were down to a half a bin before the machine would start again so the cubes would melt and cover the eyes with calcium.
To start to solove the problem I had to first off, check that the purge cycle was not to long and that the minerals were being flushed out of the water troff.
Secondly, Scotsman dose make a bin control for the newer "blue module" machines that drops the ice level down about six inches. (To keep the eyes clear of the cubes).
So we ordered it and we are going to add some more filtration to the system.
This should help out a lot.
But thanks for the input and information you all shared.
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