NFL P.A. decertifies

[yellowirenut]

really? :censored:

NEWS (http://www.freep.com/article/20110311/SPORTS01/110311050/NFL-Players-Association-decertifies-possible-precursor-lockout?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)

[Diceman]

Must be tough, dividing up 9 billion dollars fairly.:rolleyes:

[yellowirenut]

my thoughts exactly,
I am all for getting paid for what you are worth. But with current ticket prices and how much an official NFL jersey cost. I truly do not feel "sorry" for any of them.

[mo-flo]

no exstension then i take it.....:gah:

[pdrake65]

no exstension then i take it.....:gah:

This means a lock-out is likely...that they really weren't near any kind of agreement in the first place.

[mo-flo]

bummer...;[

[pdrake65]

bummer...;[

I still hold out hope for a season next year.

[mo-flo]

don't know what ya got,till it's gone......

[pdrake65]

When I spoke of a lock-out to people I know, everyone said " No way will they let it come to that". Hate to be right and hoping (until Midnite tonite) that I am wrong.

[funsizelvis]

if the courts allow the players to block the lockout, the owners might be forced to cave. if the owners ARE allowed to lock out the players, the players might cave.

or no one budges and you kiss goodbye to free agency, off season schedules, and what could result in a shortened or missing season...

i hope the millionaires and billionaires sack up and figure this out

[catmanacman]

i say we the fansshould boycott the nfl for a full year go to no games and not watch them on tv .

[whec720]

Let the players and their union kick in on the operating business expenses that the owners take the risk on. If they want the books open, fine, then pony up on the operating costs. Or forget that end of things and just play football.

[pageyjim]

Risk? there is no risk in owning an NFL team. Publicly funded stadiums, free advertising with radio, tv and newspapers, guaranteed income from tv, psl's, a socialistic system where the teams share equally many income streams. The only people at risk are the players and their health. Read a contract for the psl's, you owe it even if no games are played lol.

The problem isn't as much with the players against the owners. It is more the big franchise owners against the smaller franchise owners. Many income streams will not be shared which will be taken advantage of by the bigger franchises. The players are basically looking to keep the status quo. Which was an agreement that Gene Upshaw was ridiculed for. To change that agreement the owners will most likely have to open the books, which of course they won't. The big franchises will never allow it.

[whec720]

Risk? there is no risk in owning an NFL team. Publicly funded stadiums, free advertising with radio, tv and newspapers, guaranteed income from tv, psl's, a socialistic system where the teams share equally many income streams. The only people at risk are the players and their health. Read a contract for the psl's, you owe it even if no games are played lol.

The problem isn't as much with the players against the owners. It is more the big franchise owners against the smaller franchise owners. Many income streams will not be shared which will be taken advantage of by the bigger franchises. The players are basically looking to keep the status quo. Which was an agreement that Gene Upshaw was ridiculed for. To change that agreement the owners will most likely have to open the books, which of course they won't. The big franchises will never allow it.

Sure the NFL uses the socialist business model. No dispute there. However, who pays the insurance costs of the game events? The stadium security? The marketing, food and drink concessions, parking attendants, player, coaching, and training salaries, so on and so forth? That's right, the owners do (even if the the cost are redistributed amongst the owners). Isn't that still risk?

[pdrake65]

I don't feel sorry for the players or the owners.I do feel sorry for all of the people who won't have a job if this continues.

[pageyjim]

Sure the NFL uses the socialist business model. No dispute there. However, who pays the insurance costs of the game events? The stadium security? The marketing, food and drink concessions, parking attendants, player, coaching, and training salaries, so on and so forth? That's right, the owners do (even if the the cost are redistributed amongst the owners). Isn't that still risk?

Some of the security is picked up by the taxpayer. Again imo there is no risk being an NFL owner. The players are the product and they take on all the real personal risk.

If you look into this dispute you will see it is really between the owners. Because there will be real discrepencies in earnings in the future and the small owners know they can't get more from their fellow owners so they will try to get it from the players.

[pageyjim]

I don't feel sorry for the players or the owners.I do feel sorry for all of the people who won't have a job if this continues.

I agree. It will be interesting to see what owners start the layoffs first, and what owners keep on more people.

[pdrake65]

I agree. It will be interesting to see what owners start the layoffs first, and what owners keep on more people.

Some owners will simply not be able to afford any kind of work stoppage...others have deep pockets!

[pageyjim]

Some owners will simply not be able to afford any kind of work stoppage...others have deep pockets!

Many with the deepest pockets would have approved the players proposal anyway. It is the smaller market teams that are fighting the hardest.

It is funny using the word "afford' with these owners. I guess who can afford not to make a ton of cash?

[whec720]

Some of the security is picked up by the taxpayer. Again imo there is no risk being an NFL owner. The players are the product and they take on all the real personal risk.

If you look into this dispute you will see it is really between the owners. Because there will be real discrepencies in earnings in the future and the small owners know they can't get more from their fellow owners so they will try to get it from the players.

With player salaries where they are at, I don't know about that last statement. One would be led to believe, the small owner would sick it to the fans.

I'd like to see Tom Brady run the entire Patriots organization. See how well that would go...:whistle:

[pageyjim]

With player salaries where they are at, I don't know about that last statement. One would be led to believe, the small owner would sick it to the fans.

I'd like to see Tom Brady run the entire Patriots organization. See how well that would go...:whistle:

Anybody can run a football team and make money I believe. Or put it this way you would have to be an idiot to lose money in the NFL.

[pdrake65]

With player salaries where they are at, I don't know about that last statement. One would be led to believe, the small owner would sick it to the fans.

I'd like to see Tom Brady run the entire Patriots organization. See how well that would go...:whistle:

Most players no nothing about running the Biz , they just know how to play the game. Most don't even negotiate contracts or endorsements....their agents take care of all that for them. Here is a link to look at the basics of the NFL as an organization:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1103/nfl-inside-money-machine/content.1.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

[pageyjim]

Yeah I see your point as to how important the owners are. Maybe we will get lucky and watch the owners scrimmage.

[pdrake65]

Yeah I see your point as to how important the owners are. Maybe we will get lucky and watch the owners scrimmage.

That would actually be fun to watch! Al Davis VS Jerry Jones...who breaks a hip first?!?

[pageyjim]

That would actually be fun to watch! Al Davis VS Jerry Jones...who breaks a hip first?!?

LOL. I would pay to watch that if Al wore one of his leisure suits.

[whec720]

Anybody can run a football team and make money I believe. Or put it this way you would have to be an idiot to lose money in the NFL.

Seems like the only ones losing money are the fans. Players and owners are doing all right. So what is the problem? I'd say greed.

[whec720]

Most players no nothing about running the Biz , they just know how to play the game. Most don't even negotiate contracts or endorsements....their agents take care of all that for them. Here is a link to look at the basics of the NFL as an organization:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1103/nfl-inside-money-machine/content.1.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

That's what I was getting at. Hot shots like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning would be clueless trying to run this billion plus ponzi scheme.

[mo-flo]

Bring back the USFL...NFL was getting ridiculous with their fines and penalties anyhow.:hijacked:

[pdrake65]

Bring back the USFL...NFL was getting ridiculous with their fines and penalties anyhow.:hijacked:

Or maybe even the XFL......kinda miss " He Hate Me " !

[berg2666]

Bring back the USFL...NFL was getting ridiculous with their fines and penalties anyhow.:hijacked:

Untill one of the players is dead from some riduclous hot headed players who hits high or low.

[pdrake65]

Untill one of the players is dead from some riduclous hot headed players who hits high or low.

Not to say that being dead was the end result of what you have just said ,but you just described the NFL until just a few years ago. Are you suggesting that they play flag football? Football is a violent sport....they all know this going into it. The NFL is trying to figure out how to best take care of the players. What are your suggestions?

[dec]

i say we the fansshould boycott the nfl for a full year go to no games and not watch them on tv .

I totally agree, Sick of spoiled rich kids playing games. I quit watching years back. I only watch comercials on super bowl sunday :.02:

[mo-flo]

Untill one of the players is dead from some riduclous hot headed players who hits high or low.guess that's why they make the big bucks......