NO, I am not crazy, just broke [Archive] - HVAC-Talk: Heating, Air & Refrigeration Discussion

jbleaux

03-01-2011, 09:58 PM

lynn comstock

03-02-2011, 12:53 AM

FREE diesel. Sounds like heaven.

Trade an engine for a swamp cooler.

ZeroTolerance

03-02-2011, 01:08 AM

YA WTF? Free diesel??? Can I get some? I pay $120 at the pump a week!!!! Stupid expensive.

He could make a swamp cooler for dirt cheap.

seatonheating

03-02-2011, 01:28 AM

If you're broke, sell the building.

iraqveteran

03-02-2011, 07:26 AM

Sell the Diesel....

Its only what, like 6 bucks a gallon by now. Sell that **** at 65% cost, pocket the money and you'll have AC by the end of the week.

saylor240

03-02-2011, 07:37 AM

No I got it.....buy like 10 Diesal full size quad cab pick ups, take the doors off, park them inside the building....pipe the exhaust outside of the building...put the A/C in the truck on full blast...should keep it little cool in there.....

Stamas

03-02-2011, 08:25 AM

Try what these guys did.
http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7891972

Mr Bill

03-02-2011, 11:23 AM

Try what these guys did.
http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7891972

You know, how do crooks go through life everyday having to worry if there going to get caught? they are either totally stupid or have nerves of steel. Life is hard enough for me personally, just living right and doing right, I guess if the crooks could see into their future, there would be lots less crooks. Life is so much easier and much more fun, just working for a living and paying your own way. :gah:

lynn comstock

03-02-2011, 12:13 PM

So is that FREE diesel?

rojacman

03-02-2011, 03:02 PM

Hi, folks.

Brand-new guy here hoping to get some expert advice/direction.

First, I am retired and broke but I have a 30 x 40 x 15 metal, uninsulated building in central Texas. It is hot even though I have two huge fans blowing thru it thru one door and out the other.

Now, as dumb as I am, I know that insulating this thing would be the best but recall that I am broke.

What I do have is free diesel fuel and engines. I would like to build an a.c. directly drive by one of the diesel engines and try to cool this oven down. Yes, after I rob another bank, I may be able to insulate it but for now,
I would surely like to build this unit and hook it all to an evaporator and condenser.

Any suggestions beside going to a mental hospital. Folks designed/built these things years ago or you wouldn't be in business.http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Thanks

Joe Through the years i've worked on several internal combustion engines mated to an open drive compressor....Most i've worked on have been natural gas fired but the prime mover could easily be diesel fuel. you need a small tower to circulate the engine coolant so you keep the rad. heat under control if your equipment room is enclosed....your compressor needs to have unloaders and you can hook up the system normally as an electric driven compressor......normal controls as any other install , just some type of 'on-off' and safety string for the engine protection....just my:.02::cheers::anyone:......o yeah , have a heat-x between the rad. cooling tower and the engine.....it's easier to descale a heat - x than an engine block as we had to do a few times.....

lynn comstock

03-02-2011, 03:21 PM

Now all he needs is more FREE stuff, time and R&D to work out the bugs.

JimmyM

03-02-2011, 05:04 PM

FREE diesel. Sounds like heaven.

Trade an engine for a swamp cooler.

I think swamp coolers are a great idea. Use the existing fans and just add some misting nozzles. Trying to design and build your own A/C system from salvaged parts is going to turn into an expensive nightmare.

Control Man

03-02-2011, 05:59 PM

Just get a few old THERMO KING REEFER units off of some refrigerated trailers , mounted them thru the wall and as you have free diesel , fire them up.

jbleaux

03-02-2011, 06:24 PM

Thanks, rojacman.

I appreciate the serious attempt to help. What I need is some information on open-drive compressors, e.g., what mfg, what size, what rpm and if they have a clutch.

Also, this is a crystal ball question but, in central Texas, the temp. gets over 100°; recall that this is a uninsulated metal building 30 x 40 x 15', what would be a rough estimate of the tonnage required to get to 80° f?

This ought to separate the men from the boys. I am just a boy, if even that but I have built several marine a.c.s from parts.

Thanks for your help.

Joe

Through the years i've worked on several internal combustion engines mated to an open drive compressor....Most i've worked on have been natural gas fired but the prime mover could easily be diesel fuel. you need a small tower to circulate the engine coolant so you keep the rad. heat under control if your equipment room is enclosed....your compressor needs to have unloaders and you can hook up the system normally as an electric driven compressor......normal controls as any other install , just some type of 'on-off' and safety string for the engine protection....just my:.02::cheers::anyone:......o yeah , have a heat-x between the rad. cooling tower and the engine.....it's easier to descale a heat - x than an engine block as we had to do a few times.....

flange

03-02-2011, 07:51 PM

do you wanna jury rig this or make a real effort? refrigeration compressors, like tractors take a lot of inertia to get them spinning. controlling this bcomes the biggest issue, so youll need a transmission of some sort, and a way of starting/stopping this pig. if, however, you wanna think a little differently, perhaps you could make a diesel genset instead, and produce your own electric to run a real ac unit. maybe add some capacitor banks, a transfer switch, hell produce for your neighbors too for half of the local power company since your overhead is low with the free fuel.

jbleaux

03-02-2011, 09:22 PM

Thanks, Flange but I already have some large diesel-powered generators. I don't want to go that route. Too much inefficiency ( I am and e.e.) and the gensets have much louder engines. I intend to bury whatever engine I wind up using, underground.

Joe

do you wanna jury rig this or make a real effort? refrigeration compressors, like tractors take a lot of inertia to get them spinning. controlling this bcomes the biggest issue, so youll need a transmission of some sort, and a way of starting/stopping this pig. if, however, you wanna think a little differently, perhaps you could make a diesel genset instead, and produce your own electric to run a real ac unit. maybe add some capacitor banks, a transfer switch, hell produce for your neighbors too for half of the local power company since your overhead is low with the free fuel.

jbleaux

03-02-2011, 09:24 PM

Control Man,

You seem to have the best and most viable solution. A friend already suggested that but recall that I am broke. If I could find some old Thermo King units, I have the engines but I don't have what those units may cost even used.

Thanks

Joe

Just get a few old THERMO KING REEFER units off of some refrigerated trailers , mounted them thru the wall and as you have free diesel , fire them up.

PortaChill

03-02-2011, 09:34 PM

Just track down some freight companys that have reefer packs on them. I am sure if you took a trip down to Houston You could find a few just for scrap fees... another option is barter for a couple small package units that are being replaced due to age, get them operational.

energy star

03-02-2011, 09:36 PM

"Sell the diesel" That was funny as ****!

ZeroTolerance

03-02-2011, 11:39 PM

Sell the diesel and all but one of the engines and buy a wind generator. Then you can supply the neighbors with power, make money off of them, and produce your own for free. For backup power you can use your diesel generator/motor :)

snupytcb

03-03-2011, 06:33 AM

so youll need a transmission of some sort, and a way of starting/stopping this pig..

an electric cluch iterupter (like on a backhoe). just put the t-stat in place of the button.
i think this looks great on paper but it will wind up costing alot more in the long run. i am interested though. keep us informed please.

midhvac

03-03-2011, 08:26 AM

Go rent an earth moving machine. Put the diesel fuel in it, and bury the building. Should stay pretty cool down there. :)

JimmyM

03-03-2011, 02:04 PM

Control Man,

You seem to have the best and most viable solution. A friend already suggested that but recall that I am broke. If I could find some old Thermo King units, I have the engines but I don't have what those units may cost even used.

Thanks

Joe

So, how do you plan to aquire an open drive compressor, coils, refrigerant and all of the other components necassary to put this thing together?

jbleaux

03-03-2011, 09:40 PM

Well, I had hoped to get just a tad of professional help here with regards to only the compressor but I see that it is not really a board to discuss air-conditioning NECESSARILY but a board for want-to-be comedians.

That sentence ought to rile up the retards.

Joe

So, how do you plan to aquire an open drive compressor, coils, refrigerant and all of the other components necassary to put this thing together?

lynn comstock

03-03-2011, 09:44 PM

FREE does impose its limitations.

jbleaux

03-03-2011, 10:11 PM

Yep, free is a limitation but unless I am in the wrong world, I thought that is why groups existed.

Also, I suspect it is more of a case of "Duh, I don't know. All I do is put in new parts until it is fixed and, I don't take out the ones that didn't fix it.

Now, drink your six-pack, fart several times, beat the wife, go spend the rent money on ten more cases of beer and try to remember to take a bath this month and try not to exhibit your butt-crack.

Sorry but you had to throw the first punch.

Now, run along and see if you are man enought to not respond further and waste everyone's time.

Joe

FREE does impose its limitations.

ZeroTolerance

03-03-2011, 10:40 PM

Water isn't free either! Neither is soap nor six packs. But pro membership is. Someone needs a job so they can afford ****!

Honestly, are you living in this shed or what? Why does it need to be airconditioned?

SWAMP COOLER! You are going to spend more money trying to get this invention of yours to work. Go buy a window unit.

You have no money yet you want to create a complicated machine out of just a diesel motor. Well I have news that you need a lot more than just that diesel motor for it to work.

jbleaux

03-03-2011, 10:47 PM

Well, one retard heard from.

Really, miscreants, we don't need to continue this. Let's let it die a natural death. Your egos are leading you to display something about you that you really need to get over.

I just came here in hope of profession help in the air-conditioning world; not to fight.

Joe
Water isn't free either! Neither is soap nor six packs. But free pro membership is. Someone needs a job so they can afford ****!

Honestly are you living in this shed or what? Why does it need to be airconditioned?

ZeroTolerance

03-03-2011, 10:48 PM

and I am being a realist and telling you that making this system work is going to cost you more than going out and buying an ac unit. You insulting everyone isn't going to get you anything or anywhere fyi.

jbleaux

03-03-2011, 11:02 PM

You really don't know what I have already and you forget/overlook that I am only responding to those who insulted me first.

You seem to be the typical guy who knows nothing but wants to tell anyone with somewhat novel idea/s, that it is impossible, exorbitantly expensive, impractical or any other such nonsense. History is replete with your types: those who want to stifle others because of their own shortcomings.

You obviously don't have the depth to think that I have thought this thing through and all that I need is some compressor information.

Either this board is made of of a majority of fols who understand air-condition or it is made up of scammers who memorized enough to get their a.c. license and are enough of scam artists to keep beans and beer on the table.

At some point, I will be kicked off of here for simply being honest whereas the admistrator should have enough intestinal fortitude to set the amicable, foundational guidelines to make this a place to come for help and the free and unencumbered exchange of information.

Joe

and I am being a realist and telling you that making this system work is going to cost you more than going out and buying an ac unit. You insulting everyone isnt going to get you anything or anywhere fyi

ZeroTolerance

03-03-2011, 11:10 PM

Now you are making assumptions of people you know nothing about. For one, you need to read the RULES of the forum. Then apply for pro membership to get the answers you are looking for. Once doing this you will realize why you weren't getting the answers you want. Ignorance is bliss!

jbleaux

03-03-2011, 11:34 PM

I make assumptions based upon the evidence presented to me. You Do Not, you form opinions about me based upon non sequiturs. You are obviously living in bliss. You have no idea as the if I have read the rules of the forum - again, assumptions on your part.

Here is a construction suggestion, why don't you put your ego back into your pants, be man enough to not carry this further and run along with your life. We are two very different fellows.

Joe

Now you are making assumptions of people you know nothing about. For one, you need to read the RULES of the forum. Then apply for pro membership to get the answers you are looking for. Once doing this you will realize why you weren't getting the answers you want. Ignorance is bliss!

ZeroTolerance

03-03-2011, 11:36 PM

Ya, you obvious can't handle jokes. You are broke as you stated, and have a diesel engine and diesel. Why should I or anyone else waste their time fulfilling a dream of yours? Good luck and to solve your problem I would first start by getting a job. Seeing that you are an electrical engineer you should be able to make some good money, Don't know why you haven't. I can only speculate

REECHMAN

03-03-2011, 11:37 PM

Control Man,

You seem to have the best and most viable solution. A friend already suggested that but recall that I am broke. If I could find some old Thermo King units, I have the engines but I don't have what those units may cost even used.

Thanks

Joe

That was my thought also. My brother is a trucker and was telling me a while back you can get whole refer trailers for cheap. But those trailers are insulated though.

PortaChill

03-04-2011, 02:08 AM

well, following this thread and posting even you can tell that this guy is trying to bait everyone to see if they know how to perform load calcs. He gives the sq. footage, bld. height, design temp. outside ambient and insulation factor for bld. Since he also states that he has desiel, plenty of engines and even gen sets(that are too loud?). He has also stated that he is an E.E.(Electrical Engineer I assume) but above all he is BROKE AS A JOKE!!!
Now he is asking how and what size components he will need to assemble his little system(30x40x15) not(300x400x15)bld. size... Something stinks here:gah:

ZeroTolerance

03-04-2011, 03:21 AM

Ya, this ****ing guy keeps bringing up the fact that he's "broke" for some reason like we are supposed to feel sorry for him. I smelled something fishy the moment I read his first post.

TCreacy

03-04-2011, 05:43 AM

Ok since it is uninsulated and its texas. Im from texas too.

Throw in 40 tons of cooling and get this book...may help ya out http://books.google.com/books?id=eS_2UGJVA2EC&lpg=PA597&ots=bfW8yZKaJf&dq=diesel%20powered%20refrigeration%20compressors&pg=PA598#v=onepage&q&f=false

Roddy73

03-04-2011, 09:08 AM

JBLeaux, I think the "retards" have given you plenty of info to get you going on your invention.

Since you are so much smarter and not a wife-beating, bean eating beer drinker like this group then you should be able to draw this up quite easily.

Once you get it designed come back and let some of the pros on this forum check it over, this is a good technical resource for you to use so don't piss everyone off.

Good luck.

ZeroTolerance

03-04-2011, 10:03 AM

Roddy get that beer out of your hand!!! People will think you are an ass crack showing wife beating retard!

Roddy73

03-04-2011, 10:08 AM

Ha ha, it's all I have left! :cheers:

She slapped me with her big paycheck and her degree then pulled my pants up!

ZeroTolerance

03-04-2011, 10:12 AM

Lol

midhvac

03-04-2011, 10:49 AM

Dang. Joe Bleaux left before I had a chance to ask him what kind of diesel siphoning hose he uses. :(

Wendo

03-04-2011, 11:03 AM

Well, I had hoped to get just a tad of professional help here with regards to only the compressor but I see that it is not really a board to discuss air-conditioning NECESSARILY but a board for want-to-be comedians.

That sentence ought to rile up the retards.

Joe

Dear Joe Blow,
Is it okay if I'm a retard AND a comedian at the same time? Kinda like two for one money! Just what do you mean when you state in your post "( I am and e.e.) " Is that an extra-terrestrial expert?
love,
Just another bean-eating, retarded, wife-hugging, egotistical, ignorant, wanna-be comedian!

ZeroTolerance

03-04-2011, 11:12 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WziA88-n02k&feature=related

jbleaux

03-04-2011, 05:16 PM

Okay, Reechman. Yes and I know that insulation would help me greatly but I would like to get some cold air blowing first and then insulate later. At least, temporarily, I could direct the air to the area that I am working in. I had a chance to insulate this building before I built it but didn't think the very thin, foil-back stuff would be worth the cost. In hindsight, my big mistake was not foaming the thing when I had a few extra bucks.

Joe

That was my thought also. My brother is a trucker and was telling me a while back you can get whole refer trailers for cheap. But those trailers are insulated though.

jbleaux

03-04-2011, 05:20 PM

Thanks for the very good suggestion about the book, TCreacy.
I will get it and go from there. You may be joking when you say 40 tons of a.c. but I would guess that you are not too far off since there is no insulation.

Again, Thanks

Joe

Ok since it is uninsulated and its texas. Im from texas too.

Throw in 40 tons of cooling and get this book...may help ya out http://books.google.com/books?id=eS_2UGJVA2EC&lpg=PA597&ots=bfW8yZKaJf&dq=diesel%20powered%20refrigeration%20compressors&pg=PA598#v=onepage&q&f=false

ZeroTolerance

03-04-2011, 10:31 PM

40tons of cooling for a shack ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bja105

03-04-2011, 11:36 PM

You must not be much of an EE if you're broke. You also don't have the sense not to insult the people you are asking for free advice. Are you broke because you are incompetent, or because of your personality?

My shed is cool.

lynn comstock

03-04-2011, 11:52 PM

:worthless:
Just plain worthless.
:troll:

sweat hog

03-05-2011, 12:05 AM

I have a number solutions with the materials at hand. All of them could become weapons in the wrong hands. Is that whats going on here?

midhvac

03-05-2011, 12:49 PM

I have a number solutions with the materials at hand. All of them could become weapons in the wrong hands. Is that whats going on here?

Never heard of anything like this before - a broke E.E. with a lot of free diesel fuel, and has a metal building. The only real fact I can cull from his posts is that he needs anger management classes.

ZeroTolerance

03-05-2011, 04:29 PM

Maybe he spent all his money stocking up on Diesel for Twenty Twelve :P lol. Probably why he has all those engines and generators

midhvac

03-05-2011, 05:41 PM

Maybe he spent all his money stocking up on Diesel for Twenty Twelve :P lol. Probably why he has all those engines and generators

What happens in 2012? Is that our 1000th predicted date for doomsday? Enema by asteroid? Please, don't leave me hangin. :gah:

ZeroTolerance

03-05-2011, 05:51 PM

Lol, you haven't heard? Its the end of the world!!!! Prepare yourselves!!! :whistle:

Check this out though: http://www.december212012.com/articles/news/2012s_Second_Sun.htm - WEIRD website http://www.december212012.com/

midhvac

03-05-2011, 06:00 PM

ZeroTolerance

03-05-2011, 06:08 PM

I suggest you buy one of these NOW!!!!!

http://www.hardenedstructures.com/2012.html
http://www.hardenedstructures.com/genesisseries.html

midhvac

03-05-2011, 07:53 PM

I suggest you buy one of these NOW!!!!!

http://www.hardenedstructures.com/2012.html
http://www.hardenedstructures.com/genesisseries.html

::DD:

midhvac

03-05-2011, 07:59 PM

That's pretty scary. We need to get the word out!

http://www.zazzle.com/2012_the_end_is_near_tshirt-235348275269095552

ZeroTolerance

03-05-2011, 08:08 PM

:LOL:

jbleaux

03-05-2011, 09:02 PM

I have a backhoe but it doesn't have a clutch interrupter.

Joe

an electric cluch iterupter (like on a backhoe). just put the t-stat in place of the button.
i think this looks great on paper but it will wind up costing alot more in the long run. i am interested though. keep us informed please.

jbleaux

03-05-2011, 09:07 PM

Control Man,

As fate would have it, a friend of mine had a Thermo King unit (unbeknown to me) and gave it to me to just gain some room. It is missing the compressor....doggone it. Maybe I can find one. The diesel runs but I doubt that one would do much good without insulation in the bldg.

Joe

Just get a few old THERMO KING REEFER units off of some refrigerated trailers , mounted them thru the wall and as you have free diesel , fire them up.