Comfortmaker GUH problems

[bkoz]

I've had problems with my furnace blowing cold air, even though it calls for heat. Come home to 55 degrees. Had flame sensor and wire replaced because two chipmunks had a party in my furnace. Error code blinks 4 times. Any ideas?

[Dad]

I am sure that we can help with an idea of what needs to be checked but you need to post the model and name of your units so the residential guys will have a better idea of what your problems are.

We will not be able to tell you how to fix it, you will need to call a professional in your area for that.
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[bkoz]

I just want to see if the repair guy is feeding me a line...they see a single gal and try to take advantage sometimes. The furnace is Comfortmaker GUH100A016CIN.

[Jultzya]

What's the first letter and the first 4 digits of the serial number?

Where is this furnace located for it to have had a chipmunk problem?

The blinking light is on the white, W/R control board?

[Twilly]

bad heat exchanger

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by twilli3967
bad heat exchanger

I think we have enough companies condemning units in person, with out someone condemning them over the net with little to NO information on the unit!

Just what kind of BS, lead you to this conclusion?

[bkoz]

Originally posted by jultzya
What's the first letter and the first 4 digits of the serial number? L9322

Where is this furnace located for it to have had a chipmunk problem? Located in the basement, they came in through the vent outside.

The blinking light is on the white, W/R control board?
yes

[Twilly]

Originally posted by jultzya

Originally posted by twilli3967
bad heat exchanger

I think we have enough companies condemning units in person, with out someone condemning them over the net with little to NO information on the unit!

Just what kind of BS, lead you to this conclusion?


Due to my expierence with this furnace and based on the symptom described by the customer it's tripping limit. Have company pull blower and look for bad rings. Assuming filter is clean.

And that's no BS.

I bet a buck I'm right.

BKOZ please report back to us....thanks

Were are you in Michigan?

[Edited by twilli3967 on 04-26-2005 at 04:59 PM]

[Jultzya]

Spec's...100K, 4 ton blower, 1993, 80% furnace, with the W/R 'General 90' ignition board.

The 4 flashes indicate an open limit. Can be one of several. Just because you find or fix this issue, you need to have a competent HVAC tech find out why this control failed. There is always a reason for a component to fail, normally it's working outside of it's specifications.

Is that outside vent for makeup air? Leading to the ductwork? I'm trying to figure out how they got inside the furnace to the flam sensor?

Or is the vent for combustion air for the burners?

[Twilly]

Originally posted by twilli3967

Originally posted by jultzya
[QUOTE]Originally posted by twilli3967
[B]bad heat exchanger

I think we have enough companies condemning units in person, with out someone condemning them over the net with little to NO information on the unit!

Just what kind of BS, lead you to this conclusion?


Due to my expierence with this furnace and based on the symptom described by the customer it's tripping limit. Have company pull blower and look for bad rings. Assuming filter is clean.

And that's no BS.

I bet a buck I'm right.

BKOZ please report back to us....thanks

Were are you in Michigan?

I just want to see if the repair guy is feeding me a line

What kind of line is he feeding you?

[Edited by twilli3967 on 04-26-2005 at 05:13 PM]

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by twilli3967
Due to my expierence with this furnace and based on the symptom described by the customer it's tripping limit. Have company pull blower and look for bad rings.

Possibly, but I wouldn't tell someone this as we can't see it. There exists a possibility that this unit IS properly installed and now the unit has a plugged filter. Now the unit hasn't been running this way forever, subjected to high temps all of its life and the limit just tripped and won't reset. It does happen.

Normally when there is going to be a heat exchanger failure, the unit has been operating outside of its specifications for a few years. Unless it's REALLY bad!

I feel there are to many possibilities that exist for this to be a good blanket comment.

[Twilly]

Originally posted by jultzya

Originally posted by twilli3967
Due to my expierence with this furnace and based on the symptom described by the customer it's tripping limit. Have company pull blower and look for bad rings.

Possibly, but I wouldn't tell someone this as we can't see it. There exists a possibility that this unit IS properly installed and now the unit has a plugged filter. Now the unit hasn't been running this way forever, subjected to high temps all of its life and the limit just tripped and won't reset. It does happen.

Normally when there is going to be a heat exchanger failure, the unit has been operating outside of its specifications for a few years. Unless it's REALLY bad!

I feel there are to many possibilities that exist for this to be a good blanket comment.


I agree with you, we can't see it. But I have a hunch that it is possibly oversized and possibly the filter has not been always kept clean causing a ring to pop.

Of course the limit could simply be bad.

I still wonder what line was handed to bkoz. Maybe she was told her H/E was bad. All speculation. For sure the limit is opening. The cause yet to be determined.

I was out on an Armstrong last week, open limit I just knew it had popped rings, but it didn't just a bad limit.

I have seen quite a few of these furnaces with bad heat exchangers as I sure you have as well because you seem to be well versed in them.

I really just shot off a response, I try to be much more detailed if in person. Maybe she lives close to me. Toledo.

Are you betting the buck or not?

[Jultzya]

That's an awful lot of money! I better check with the accountant! :D

BTW, I have relatives in Summerfield.......I'm sure you know where that's at?

[Twilly]

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&un=m&cl=EN&ct=NA&rsres=1&1y=US&1a=&1c=toledo&1s=oh&1z=&1ah=&2y=US&2a=&2c=SUMMERFIELD&2s=OH&2z=43788&2ah=


Yeah I go down there to buy wire nuts, I can save a buck a box.....

[Jultzya]

.......that's how you end up with ALL those extra BUCKS!! :D :D :D

[tinknocker service tech]

what is your contractor saying is wrong with the unit
maybe it is possible that some of the wires are not repaired properly or there is something they missed have it looked at again and see where it goes
twilli3967
Professional Member

i will take that bet
i think somethine else is going on here it is possible to control was damaged when the chipmonks were in there
or the senser was not replaced and is defective
if i am wrong i will mail it to you lol
wayne

[bananaboy]

bad heat exchanger,

I agree with twillie, had enough this season.
They use the same heat exchanger as the primary HE on the NUGM's (which is high effic. furn.) #1014491 off of my head.

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by bananaboy
bad heat exchanger,

I agree with twillie, had enough this season.
They use the same heat exchanger as the primary HE on the NUGM's (which is high effic. furn.) #1014491 off of my head.

The real question is:

How many of them were installed properly?
How many of them were operating with in specifications?

Heat Exchangers don't just fail for no reason!

And, I assume when changing the primary on those NUGM's that the secondary was also cracked?

[bananaboy]

c'mon

when you say "How many of them were installed properly?" - what exactly do you mean ?

when you say " Heat Exchangers don't just fail for no reason! " - tell me you are kidding ....

have you ever replaced heat exchanger on ICP or Goodman ?

if "yes" then you would not be asking this question.

are you familiar the "Bulletins" from ICP (B-82 comes to mind) where they clearly describe the production flaw with the stronger pressure force the "O" rings (or "eyelets" as they call them in the bulletin). Those HE are failing by volumes.

As a matter of fact, in our company, there is a new written rule - whenever we go to a furnace FOR ANY REASON - we must chech the darn HE for "eyelet failure". Period.

I am more inclined to believe that this particular furnace was oversized, or simply they forgot the darn filter to get totally plugged up.

[bananaboy]

oh, I forgot to address the last sentence in your post ...

"...And, I assume when changing the primary on those NUGM's that the secondary was also cracked?..."

Ah, not really. Secondary on NUGM is not as bad, as the Secondary on the CGK's ==> those fail almost 100% .

Interestingly enough, I've observed a pattern on Secondary failure (on those CGK's ICP) and gas valve overfiring after few years. So, I always check the manifold pressure on these old clunkers. They are indeed old.

[Twilly]

Sometimes the manufacture is the reason...Sometimes it's the contractor, sometimes it's the customer. But your right there is always a reason.

Tinnocker if we get an answer from the O/P and I'm right I expect my buck. If I'm wrong I'll send you yours.

Remember it had an open limit....Start saving your money.

[Jultzya]

Installed properly? You want me to explain the whole installation proceedures?
You know what I'm talking about....gas pressure, airflow, correct delta T, correct filtering, correct supply/return ducting, etc, etc...

Heat exchangers fail for a reason. That's right!
Failures are normally due to high delta T, low airflow conditions.

Changed many ICP & Goodman/Janitrol heat exchangers. And ALWAYS found an install issue that caused the failure.
The last few have been around the 1 hour mark. Do you think I've changed many now? :D

Yes, I'm familiar with the ICP bulletins. However, I haven't seen a large amount of failures in their units that were installed and set-up properly!
Matter of fact, I have some I keep an eye on as they fall right in the middle of the serials in question. To date, they haven't failed!

I have seen the secondaries on the ICP's fail without the primary being bad.

[tinknocker service tech]

twilly
i am saving my pennies as we wait
i would sgree about the heat exchanger if there wasnt any history here. since thre were animals in the unit and it was repaired with no forementioned signs of a bigger problem. i tend to have a feeling the unit was not totaly repaired or something was missed. i am very curious about how the animals got into the unit and what was realy eaten
but we will see i have been wrong before and will be again

[Twilly]

Originally posted by jultzya
Installed properly? You want me to explain the whole installation proceedures?
You know what I'm talking about....gas pressure, airflow, correct delta T, correct filtering, correct supply/return ducting, etc, etc...

Heat exchangers fail for a reason. That's right!
Failures are normally due to high delta T, low airflow conditions.

Changed many ICP & Goodman/Janitrol heat exchangers. And ALWAYS found an install issue that caused the failure.
The last few have been around the 1 hour mark. Do you think I've changed many now? :D

Yes, I'm familiar with the ICP bulletins. However, I haven't seen a large amount of failures in their units that were installed and set-up properly!
Matter of fact, I have some I keep an eye on as they fall right in the middle of the serials in question. To date, they haven't failed!

I have seen the secondaries on the ICP's fail without the primary being bad.


I agree 95% of the time. But I think those factors will quicken the demise of a bad design, look at how many furnaces that are 30 years old poor ducting, poor maint, oversized, yet they are not cracked. Why? Better heat exchangers? I think so.

[Jultzya]

I hope that this below situation isn't becoming.

Tech goes out to find unit with damage from animals.
Tech thinks he fixed the unit.
It then turns into a recall for a no heat.
Then the tech goes out to recheck unit.

Tech is new or unfamiliar with unit.
Sees this single gal that has limited knowledge of what's going on with the unit. And thinks if he spends a little time on it and can't figure it out, that he can BS her into getting a new unit!

Remembering that he is likely going to tell her she has a 13+ yr old piece of equipment, that isn't going to provide further reliability. So, he BS's her some more into thinking she needs to do something now.

I could be wrong, and hope that I am. But you know as well as I do, there are tech's out there pulling this **** everyday!

[tinknocker service tech]

jultzya
god i hope your wrong but it is a possibility
some people have no class or scruples
hope this woman lets us know the out come
maybe she will call someone in here that lives close to her and get a honest answer

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by twilli3967
Yeah I go down there to buy wire nuts, I can save a buck a box.....

I just looked at your link again, I meant Summerfield, MI.
They are only like 10-15 mins away from Toledo.

Look here (http://tinyurl.com/9exwp)

[Twilly]

Ok , I thought you were pulling my leg about Summerfield Ohio. I had never heard of it so I looked it up and sent you the map. I only live 3 miles from the Michigan line. I live our in the country and you can see Michigan from my house. I rarely look that way though.

Bkoz we are all waiting for you. A lot of money has been wagered on this so please keep us posted.

[bkoz]

I think I figured this out all by myself. First of all, I'm in Grand Rapids, second, the chipmunks came in through the vent and were comfortable decomposing where the leaves sometimes gather inside (not by the flame)..the reason they replaced the flame sensor was because they chewed up the yellow sensor wire.

Last night I checked the chart that explains the error codes. Four flashes means open high limit switch. I also noticed a brown wire just hanging there all by itself. I checked the wiring chart and it stated that it went to the high limit switch. I attached it to the little black part that has two prongs--one with a red and brown wire and one that had nothing but should have had a brown wire according to the chart. I reset the furnace and everything seems to be working fine now. I called a different repair place and they concurred that this was probably the problem.

[Jultzya]

Question still remains, what did the service company tell you?

If they suspected the heat exchanger had a fault, they may have very well pulled that wire off as a safety precaution.
Disabling the unit, to protect yourself and your home!

Did the unit work after the tech left?
(then the loose wire fail off)
Then the furnace started acting up, or did it not work when he left?

And, way is there leaves gathering inside the burner compartment!

The verdict is still unknown at this point.
We need to know why the wire was off of the high limit.

[Twilly]

Yea, I won't to know too or I'm going to have to refiance my house to pay tinnocker his buck....

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by twilli3967
Yea, I won't to know too or I'm going to have to refiance my house to pay tinnocker his buck....

It could have been two, but I let you off the hook! :D

I am curious as to what she was told by the tech.
Something looks a little fishy, or is it just me?

[Twilly]

Originally posted by bkoz
I've had problems with my furnace blowing cold air, even though it calls for heat. Come home to 55 degrees. Had flame sensor and wire replaced because two chipmunks had a party in my furnace. Error code blinks 4 times. Any ideas?


I'm not saying this lady is being dishonest maybe she is not truly being discriptive enough about her problems.

I've had problem(s)......

Come home to 55 degrees

Although I would disable the furnace why would someone remove the limit wire? Maybe it was an accident and didn't get replaced properly or came loose or was loose.

We all know the furnace would not have ran at all in the heating mode with this wire disconnected.

She said she wondered if she was being handed a line because she was a single lady.

What line? What did they say? Was the furnace working when they left? I'm too puzzled by the chipmunks was it Alvin or Theodore? Or both.

We want the truth, and we can handle the truth. Kind of a line from a movie.

We hate it when I'm wrong.

Your right I might have saved a buck, though.

I'd like to look at this bad boy myself. Too far. Send picture of self and furnace. Might not be too far

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[bkoz]

you guys have waaay too much time on your hands! I'm not dishonest, just trying not to get taken advantage of. The chipmunk was identified as Simon and his cousin visiting from the country. Wanted to show him a good time and wound up in my furnace (NOT the flaming part, just the bottom part, which is where the yellow sensor wire was) Please excuse my technical jargon, like I said, I'm just a single gal trying to get someone to be honest with me about about a simple problem. The company sent out four different guys--the first one taped the sensor wire and disposed of the chipmunks. The second cleaned the pokey sensor pointy thing and ordered a new wire. The third one replaced the yellow wire and pointy poker sensor thing that was attached to it and came in a nice little box. Each time, the furnace worked after they left, but after a few days, it would blow cold air again. I could turn off the main switch on the furnace and back on and it would blow warm again EXCEPT after the last guy came and told me I needed a whole new control panel. After not being able to reset it by turning it on and off, I noticed the wire and started reading the charts, etc. and figured out what the wire was for. I reattached it and everything seems fine....have I left anything out and who owes whom how much over this? And what's my cut?

[Jultzya]

Questions that are in my head...

Story,
bkoz comes in and ask a technical question. Gets told by lusker that this isn't the purpose of this forum. Then bkoz tells us she's a single lady and wants to know whether she is being taking for a ride?

Ok, first is bkoz really a lady? May or may not be, but look at the following and think about it.

1.) Ladies normally start out by saying so, because they know they will receive more replies.

2.) Ladies don't normally go snooping around with an appliance that has electricity, gas and move mechanical parts inside.

3.) Ladies normally don't look far enough to find, let a lone follow a schematic to find out where this wire come from!

The poster may well be a lady and not a man trying to get sympathy, and if so...

We (twilly & I) might just have to go on a road trip to check this furnace out first hand! Then hire this lady as an apprentice as she seems to have the determination to get to the bottom of things one way or another!

Twilly, the removal of the high limit wire is common in some areas as it's easy and is something 'out of site' as to not piss the homeowner off that you disabled their furnace that is unsafe!

To OP, I post this being objective and don't mean you any harm as there are indeed many ways to achieve the same goal. People often communicate differently, and may be the reason this post is a little unusual. Then again, you may truly be the 'wonder girl' that the HVAC industry has been looking for! :D

[Dad]

Originally posted by lusker
I am sure that we can help with an idea of what needs to be checked but you need to post the model and name of your units so the residential guys will have a better idea of what your problems are.

We will not be able to tell you how to fix it, you will need to call a professional in your area for that.
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Gets told by lusker that this isn't the purpose of this forum.


HUH? ? ? Save some of those drugs you are taking for me, will ya?

[Jultzya]

First guy should have either 1.) got the new part and installed it, or 2.) have at least ordered it!

Second guy did what first guy should have done.

Third guy installed the part with out looking the unit over to insure it was operating properly.

Forth guy didn't know how to fix it, so he removed the wire and recommended a new unit!

This is my take on what is happening. I may be wrong, as I have been wrong a couple of times. :D

Anyway, you need to ask around (family, friends, neighbors, coworkers) who they use and if they are happy with their service. Get a competent tech out that is familiar with this unit and find out what is exactly going on with this unit. Tell them what has been done to the unit to help them in their diagnosis.

Their is either an airflow/temperature problem or that 90 board is in fact faulty. They can and do act funny till they quit completely.

Keep us updated please.

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by lusker
Gets told by lusker that this isn't the purpose of this forum.

HUH? ? ? Save some of those drugs you are taking for me, will ya?

Hold on skipper, I was meaning that it isn't our purpose to tell them how to fix their furnace. As that was the way I took your post.

Sorry if it come off a different way.

[Dad]

Thought my drugs quit working... whewwwwww

[bkoz]

ok, let's just clear this up once and for all, I don't know if I broke any rules about this forum or whatever, but I am a single lady and said so because you may have wondered why I didn't just ask my husband to take care of this. I'm persistent because I need to be and I'm defensive about being taken advantage of because men do tend to take advantage of a gal acting like a damsel in distress. The repair guy started telling me I needed this and that and I instictly put my guard up and did a search on the web to see if I could learn something before he did needless repairs and charged me for things I didn't need.

I'm not mechanically inclined, but it doesn't scare me to try and learn something. I'm a finance professional who happened to need some HVAC info and found it here. Thanks.

[Dad]

No rules were broken. Sometimes we differ in opinions and stumble around a bit but that is what makes this site tick.

Please pardon our left feet! :)

[Jultzya]

First, you haven't broken any rules that I know of.
Second, I admire your courage to stay on top of this problem and not be taken like (sadly) so many often do.

I have spent a lot of time on this thread hoping that I can help you in some way. I don't want to see you get taken down the road on this furnace.

Get someone else to look at this unit and see what they have to say. Then report back to use to see what we think, ok?

Believe me, if I thought you weren't honest, I wouldn't have replied what, say 10 times? :cool:

[bkoz]

I've called the company that installed the unit when I built the house 9 years ago. Told him briefly what had happened and he said he'd gladly come over and check it out but sounded like I fixed it myself and asked if I wanted to work for him.

I'll report back in the morning...maybe I'll have learned some more of your technical jargon so I won't have problems describing things accurately.

THANK YOU!

[Jultzya]

Sounds like you're on the right track.

Good Luck!

[Twilly]

Back to my original diagnosis BAD HEAT EXCHANGER.

4 different guys came out, she must be a looker....lol...or they are really dumb. The wire being off is not the source of your problem IMHO.

Have blind HVAC tech pull blower and feel for rings.

[tinknocker service tech]

you go girl
i admire a girl that is willing to stand up and take notice
4 guys there for the same problem wow time for your contractor to get some real techs. flame senser is a common part and should have been on their truck
if you lived in jersey i would offer you a job some of my guys dont show your insentive and that is a shame lol
twilli time to pay up heheheheheh
i hate to be the one that cause you to remorgage but a buck is a buck lol
on the other hand bkoz

did all the work and put her own techs to shameso send her the buck for doing a goo job
four techs showed up by a girl HOW SWEET IS THAT
like i said you go girl
how about a pic just cause we are guys and very curious heheheh

[Twilly]

yea send the pic. Tinnocker I'm not ready to send you your buck until she get home tonight and the limit hasn't tripped. Putting the wire back on didn't resolve the problem.

[bkoz]

I'm just hoping my house is still standing...you guys have me nervous now!! I'll check it after soccer tonite and reply. I'll check for a pic...don't wanna scare anybody!

[tinknocker service tech]

twilli
as much as i hate to admit it you are correct to wait on this and lets see
but at least it made it fun. just in case my morgege co said they will refiance for so i can pay you if i have to and if not i will start a savings account hehehe
one more time YOU GO GIRL

[Twilly]

You can't scare us. We're to dumb to be scared. The reason some of us seem to have so much time on our hands is beacuse we are between seasons in many areas of the country.

Some of us are at our offices and are board.

Some of us are really not in the HVAC business but do a good job of pretending....I often go the MED-Talk.com and give medical advice. lol.

Reallllllllly have someone pull the blower and look for popped rings even if the limit hasn't tripped tonight.

Send picture. We don't get many ladies here, were lonely.

Need any medical advice?

It's free too.

[tinknocker service tech]

down time sucks put starting to pick up finaly
still wayy to much time on my hands
you cant scare us all we see are guys all day
be sides when the makeup comes off thats scary
or first thing in the am be scared
if she read this i would be dead lol

[bkoz]

I'm happy to report that the Barbie Dream House is cozy warm inside. Pay up guys!!

[Jultzya]

So, did the original installing company come out for an inspection?
Or, did they just assume you had fixed it yourself?

BTW, I don't see any picture posted. We do accept bikini pictures! :D

[bkoz]

Installer came out and gave me the seal of approval that I had fixed it myself.

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by bkoz
Barbie Dream House is cozy warm inside. Pay up guys!!

Where do I sign up for the weekend get away package?

[Jultzya]

Did they tear into the furnace to check the heat exchanger?

This would require parts/assembly removal.
1.) pulling blower assembly out for inspection.
2.) pulling burners for inspection.

[bkoz]

http://www.barbiedreamhouse.com

[Jultzya]

Edit

[Edited by jultzya on 04-28-2005 at 09:59 AM]

[tinknocker service tech]

one last time
YOU GO GIRL

[Twilly]

I will send Tinnocker his buck, Bkoz were is our (MY) picture. We (I) want to see you. I can't believe that I'm wrong. Just for the record did a 5th person show up. I still bet she's a looker.

Trucks were turning from every area of Grand Rapids to swing by her house. They probably didn't want to fix it right.

I was hoping she would call me and ask me to come up and spend the day and night if necessary so I could be on site should the furnace break down again.

Bkoz we (I) hope you don't go away because although we only spent a short time online discussing you furnace problems I have started to develop feelings for you. So please check in from time to time so we (I) can see how your doing.

You could even make up some problem with your furnace so we (I) could still have some form of interaction with you. We (I) will miss you...don't forget us (Me).

Forever your love lorn HVAC tech

Terry in Toledo.

[Jultzya]

I told you, "I was here first!" :D :D

[bananaboy]

forget the Heat Exchanger, I am lining up for her, too.


will bring some bananas

[Jultzya]

Get in line.......your last so far! :)

Pretty soon, we'll be sending our pictures to her for her to chose one of us! :D

[Twilly]

jultzya you and me will whip this Bannaboy and we will let Bkoz decide which one of us she likes. Where is tinnocker? I bet it's moonshine season down his way and he's runnin his stills.

Bannaboy leave our(My) girl alone. You've been warned. Don't make us take this to the next level.

jultzya just so you know, you really don't stand a chance I used to be a model. I was voted the most GQ Hvac tech 6 years in a row. I work out every day and can bench press up to 138lbs.

Bkoz dare to compare, I'm your man. Not only that I make a lot of money, just got a raise to $8.47 per hour. My boss tells me if I keep doing good next year I won't have to buy my own gas.

we'll have a cage match if necessary, two men enter, one man leave.

If she should feel sorry for you and pick you, maybe she's got a sister for me.

Love is never having too say your sorry. (Love Story)

[tinknocker service tech]

step asside guys and let me by
after all i was right and won the bet. that makes me first in line heheheh
begging and drulling will not help either
where is our picture
and are there any other questions
if she is cute enough i will move thereor at least make a service call
hope the boss dont mind the extra gas bill

[Twilly]

Tinknocker email me your address you can find my email under credintails and I'll mail you your money.

[bkoz]

OK boys!! I do appreciate your concern but last night added another interesting twist to this continuing saga. After I got home, frozen to the core from two soccer games, my vents were blowing a refreshing breeze of COLD FRICKIN' AIR!!! This time, the little blinkety light wasn't blinking, but just ON, steady. That code says "internal board failure". My little chart doesn't tell me what to do with that one.....any volunteers?

[Twilly]

I'm back in the batters box. At this point you need someone that can properly diagnose the problem. It could be a bad board, Bad Heat Exchanger, or other issues.

I'm glad I didn't mail my dollar yet. I'm going to hold off.


You should find someone that specializes in Comfortmaker and have them come out.

Are you starting to have feelings for me or Jultza? Don't torture us.

[bkoz]

I'm having a comfortmaker guy come out and check everything out.

As for you guys, in order for me to make a good choice, I'll need more information. You can forward me your schematic diagrams, photos, credit reports, etc. and I'll decide from there...since no one volunteered to come to my rescue.

[Twilly]

twilli3967
Professional Member

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 363
I will send Tinnocker his buck, Bkoz were is our (MY) picture. We (I) want to see you. I can't believe that I'm wrong. Just for the record did a 5th person show up. I still bet she's a looker.

Trucks were turning from every area of Grand Rapids to swing by her house. They probably didn't want to fix it right.

I was hoping she would call me and ask me to come up and spend the day and night if necessary so I could be on site should the furnace break down again.


I tried. You should really pick me because, I didn't think your problem was really solved by your replacement of the wire on the limit.

Be assured that my credit is fine and I could support you in the life style you could easily become accustomed too.

You alluded too that you would send us a pic.

We really have tried to help you and most of will not viloate forum rules by giving step by step instructions. Keep us posted. I have a lot of money riding on this H/E issue.

[Jultzya]

If they find no other issues with this furnace have them replace that POS W/R control board!

For the above info, I should at least get a picture. :D

===========================================

This is a previous deleted (by me) post:

Can I get an e-mail address? There are a couple of questions that I have about the first company that sent out the 4 service techs. I can't ask here, cause according to the rules you wouldn't be able to answer.

After it posts, you can go back and edit it out of your post. That way it doesn't stay on the site permanently.

Thanks,

[Jultzya]

04-29-2005 03:31 PM by bkoz

Where is this post?

[BC1]

gone for site rules violation.

[Jultzya]

Can people post their e-mail if it's not in link form?

I have been wondering about this for a while now.

Thanks

[BC1]

Yes. Just make sure you do something to the address to keep email grabbers from slowing down the system.

[Jultzya]

Thanks for the clearification BC1.

I appreciate your help!

[Jultzya]

post it like this abc . def . com

[Jultzya]

I might have had a date tonight. But BC got to the post before me! Looks like another night posting to the board all night for me! :D LOL

Looks like you and I might now be SOL, as this Comfortmaker guy may just be good looking. I hope bkoz don't forget about us after he shows up! :D

Anyway, I just wanted to keep you up to date. :)

[tinknocker service tech]

bkoz

your killig me!!!!!! i thought i was about to be rich here
my accountant was all set to invest the money to DAM
what a tease. here we go again
twilli hold on to that buck till the next guy gets done
double or nothing she dont post a picture
comon twilli chance for you put it back in your saveings or for me to retire

[Twilly]

I'm starting to think that Bkoz is a big C.T. (contractor teaser). Well we might have to wait till monday to find out.

[bananaboy]

You guys BACK OFF. She is mine. I will bring aa BIG Banana.
Unless she has more haire than my ...

I stand firm on the PRIMARY heat exchanger. Lets talki about the HE.

What year was it again ? Oh, well, today i replaced one installed in 2001, June, 22. Found 4 "eylets". Dart, it doesn't get any better than that, does it ?

Boys, I am also handsomeee like thhe twilley. My bosse does not want me to lokie his dother.

Burnt wire is definite sign of excess T.

Hey, what is the Temp. rise ? and the Temp. righ before the Evap. coil ?

[Jultzya]

If you need to bring a banana, you haven't the tools to satisfy a real lady! :D

How many 2-4 year old units do you need before you realize that they are install related?

The wire was not burnt. She said it was unplugged from the limit, so she reconnected it. Nothing was stated that the wire in question was burnt!

This unit 'as Mgr has added', doesn't have a crimped heat exchanger.

I will now get twilli on the phone, as we need a meeting. I see a Whooping coming very soon! :D

[bananaboy]

Oh, pal jultzya

When will get it - that HE of some manif. fail for NO REASON !

BRO, explain why, why, why, why, why CARRIER 58SXA Secondary is failing ??

I need to hear the darn reason ........ now

Just gimme this answer baby , please !

Back to BKOZ,..... Oh, man my wife hit me with the frying pan on the bad spot, when she read what I am writing. Soo-o-o much for a new Internet girfriend.

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by bananaboy
When will get it - that HE of some manif. fail for NO REASON !

BRO, explain why, why, why, why, why CARRIER 58SXA Secondary is failing ??

Back to BKOZ,..... Oh, man my wife hit me with the frying pan on the bad spot, when she read what I am writing. Soo-o-o much for a new Internet girfriend.

Read the two first sentences and then please explain.

The last sentence is going to disappoint bkoz, as I believe she dislikes cheaters! I believe this because I believe her to be a very honest lady!

[bananaboy]

Sure, I will explain.

I believe you said that HE do not fail for no reason. You said - it is the way they are installed.

I DISAGREE with that.

For the most part - HE do fail because of poor installation or lack of maintenace, I agree.

However, there are a number of HE (that I've personally replaced this season) which FAILED because of Manif. FLAWS.

That's why those co's (you probably know them) have those Buletins.


Oh, well .... may be I am splitting hair.

Good luck with BKOZ.

I am retiring my bid for her.

Nevertheless, I still have the BIG Banana available, just in case if you need help with BKOZ.


I, really enjoyed the conversation and the fun.

[Jultzya]

I mostly agree with you. Like has been stated, most fail for install issues. There are manufacturing defects that sometimes come to play. I however feel that the defect in the ICP heat exchangers is not a reason for concern if the unit is installed properly.

I'm really not familiar with the 58SXA secondary issue. So I can't really make any assumptions on that case, sorry.

I knew you would wake up and retrack from the challange for bkoz. You just couldn't compete against guys like twilli and myself! :D

[tinknocker service tech]

seven trips to fix one furnace and the boss is in the mix now to. wow she must be a looker. or this co, is in real trouble and on the way out of bussnesss.
man heads would roll if it was my co going out the boss would have my ass for lunch, breakfess and dinner to
as i have said on one other ocasion
STEP ASIDE GUYS and let the master through
her control went bad because of all the wiring problems and these guys are just looking to see her again
as far as bringing a banna with me dude your in trouble
mine goes where i go dont need to bring one lol
also i have a black belt and am will to fight for this babe
WHERE IS MY PICTURE BKOZ
TWILLI HAS A LOT RIDING ON YOU
this love afffiar could go on for years heheheheh

[Twilly]

Of course heat exchangers fail for a reason. But sometimes it's simply poor design. If we can all agree on that then we don't need to beat this part of the problem to death.

Also I think the climate will take it toll as well, it has to the furnace is running more often. Lack of maint. can be a factor as well.

That said, some furnaces hold up better than others when they are install outside the proper perimeters.

I have had a lot of fun with this post. I'm anxious to find out what the real problem is.

[bkoz]

I'm having the installer come out on Monday morning...he hasn't been here yet. Gave up on the other service guys who were tag-teaming me!

I'll give a full report on Monday...and I won't post pictures until I get more info from the requesters...btw, I've been called many things, but never a CT!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sauer/angry-smiley-014.gifForum Rules (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=1241)

[Edited by bkoz on 04-30-2005 at 06:21 PM]

[Jultzya]

I got it, you can remove it if you'd like. That way you won't get a lot of junk mail.
The boss removed it, due to programs that look for links that end up slowing the system down.

That second line just sounds a little kinky! :D

[Twilly]

I got it too and I sent her a private note. Ha. I might have to go down to Georgia and take care of that girl that ran off.






[Edited by twilli3967 on 04-30-2005 at 05:12 PM]

[Jultzya]

Her e-mail wasn't an underlined link, so I figured that it wouldn't be looked at as such. What does these systems look for? Is it the @ symbol?

I have seen others post their e-mail like she did, so I'm curious as to what is going on here.

P.S. Don't take this post as me criticizing you, I'm just really curious about this.

Thanks,

twilli, no need to go after b.boy, he got the sh*t kicked out of him by his wifey! Hehehehehe....

[tinknocker service tech]

ok this is just so wrong. i missed it and twill got one up un me not fair. bkoz i called all the shots right so far twill was wrong and you shun me.
i have no idea what i am talking a bout but know i missed something. boss remoned it. wish he had waited for me to see it first. owell. it is the control that is bad. i would think no matter how much the other guys gaked at her one out of seven should have pisked up on the heatexchange.
perverts maybe but all of them retarted no cant be. but than a gain look what we do for a living maybe hehehehe
bkoz i have been on your side all along and invested a buck on all this what more can a guy do
this has been fun thank you bkoz
again i sayYOU GO GIRL

[Twilly]

tinknocker send me 2.00 and I'll send you her email.

[Dad]

Originally posted by jultzya
Her e-mail wasn't an underlined link, so I figured that it wouldn't be looked at as such. What does these systems look for? Is it the @ symbol?

I have seen others post their e-mail like she did, so I'm curious as to what is going on here.

P.S. Don't take this post as me criticizing you, I'm just really curious about this.

Thanks,

twilli, no need to go after b.boy, he got the sh*t kicked out of him by his wifey! Hehehehehe....


Jules... yes.. There are bots that look for email addresses. The @ symbol is their key. If we have email addresses on the site then these bots will search the site on a hit list. This slows the site down and all that post their email address will be spammed out of existence. If you want to post and email address... then use capital "AT" for @. This will keep the bots from hurting our site.

You will also find that members constantly use alternate symbols for the letters of a cuss word. Boss has bots that scan for these things and delete the post. Want to cuss... do it in code.


No criticism taken….http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sauer/angry-smiley-014.gifForum Rules (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=1241)


[Edited by lusker on 04-30-2005 at 10:38 PM]

[Twilly]

TaHaAaTaSa BaUaLaLaSaHaIaTa Now all you guys got to do is get a trix decoder ring.

[Jultzya]

One more question:

It's because of the symbol, but the link wasn't underlined?
Is it because it is used in conjuntion with the dot (net/com)?

I believe you are saying it's the combination that's wrong, right?

Thanks,

[Dad]

Originally posted by jultzya
One more question:

It's because of the symbol, but the link wasn't underlined?
Is it because it is used in conjuntion with the dot (net/com)?

I believe you are saying it's the combination that's wrong, right?

Thanks,


Jules... to make a very long story short... It has nothing to do with an underline, don't use the @

Long story made simple below.



Take a look at this....

name@nowhere.com

http://www.nowhere.com

The reason you get the http://www. site underlined is due to the VB software using the img code. It will automatically bracket your website or picture. It also puts a line under the site or posts the image. This has nothing to do with email bots. They look for an email address. All addresses are different except for one detail... @

Remove the @ and replace it with something else then the bot has nothing to do. If a bot finds something it will scan every byte of this site and slow it down. Its maker will also mark this site and return time and again.

It is the same as spyware in your computer. It will use CPU power that should be directed to the use of other programs causing them to run slow.

[golf junkie]

Hey, why don't you guys just try an online dating service? I think that you'd get better results.

It was a funny thread though. Thanks for the laughs.

[bkoz]

Tinnoker, you should have your e-mail on your credentials and I'd send you my e-mail addr. I think you're right, I'll let everyone know monday, since none of you volunteered to come and check it out for yourselves.

Who needs an on-line dating service?

[Twilly]

What ya mean, I did, in fact I said I would come up and spend day and night if necessary yo discover your problem and get you taken care of. I have always promised my customer complete satisfaction.

What more can you ask for. In todays times so many customers do not have all their needs met. So they wind up turning to someone else.

It would be my pleasure to perform service for you.

I offered.

We still want your picture.

[Jultzya]

So we need to go back and edit the posts where we have put the @ symbol in post, in this thread?

Example:

someoneATnowhere.com (but using the symbol)
and
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Isn't both of these going to be identified?



someoneATnowhere.com This will work. You can't edit your posts after a certain amount of time... It is our jobs to fix it if you do or not.


[Edited by lusker on 05-01-2005 at 04:09 PM]

[Twilly]

You only have 1440 minutes as far as I know.

[Jultzya]

Something like that, I knew there was a limit.

Do you understand this whole e-mail thing? Or am I the only dim one about this?

[Twilly]

I did get her email and sent her off a short note. I think he was saying it's that (symbol) that the bots pick up on.

But it seemed like he was telling you to code it by using a different symbol.

Twilli3967#aol.com that makes sense they trained the software to look for the other thing.....the At symbol.

I could be wrong, but once they get a vaild email they keep coming back and it slows the system down.... I hadn't even heard the term bots before.

I have my email in my credintials and although some people complain that they'll get "more" junk mail I haven't noticed any. Secondly they say you'll get all knids of sales people calling you haven't noticed any "more" than usual.

[Dad]

Originally posted by jultzya
Something like that, I knew there was a limit.

Do you understand this whole e-mail thing? Or am I the only dim one about this?


Jules... see the 2 key just above the W on your keyboard?

Loose it. You don't need it here.

[Jultzya]

I get that, I'm just asking whether it makes a difference on how or where you put that symbol?

[Jultzya]

I went back to edit my earlier post, but I see you took care of it for me. ;)

But, why didn't you change yours too?
(I take it, since you are an associate your posts are not looked at?)

Inquisitive minds would like to know. :)

Man, this is turning into a completely different thread now!
Maybe in the running to go after Dice's 9MM thread? LOL :D

[Twilly]

I bet you miss fat eddy too?

[Dad]

I don't want this thread to turn into another 9mm so I am going to do my best to put it to sleep right here.


A bot is a simple code (computer language) that works like a program. This bot or ROBOT will do anything its code is written for such as look for email addresses. Its code has to have a commonality to look for. That in which it looks for is the @ symbol used in a word or sentence. It then picks up all letters and characters to the left and right of that symbol to the empty space. It sends this information back to its owner.

Once a bot is successful and its owner retrieves several good addresses from this site it soon turns into his favorite fishing hole. He will come back time and time again and so will all of his buddies.

Now for those of you that know how bots work, give me a break here. I had to put into terms that they can understand so don’t blast me.

It is against the rules for us to use email addresses. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sauer/angry-smiley-014.gifForum Rules (http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=1241) It is also my feelings that if you hide your address by not using the @ symbol you can not only get your message out but keep the bots away too.

You can use any symbol you want. I have even seen a forum use email addresses like this

Patel:)cstore.com


I truly hopes this makes sense to everyone.



[Edited by lusker on 05-01-2005 at 04:38 PM]

[Jultzya]

Nope, not at all!

BTW, I have never even started to read that 9MM thread. I just know it's one loooooooong thread!



Had to add the Twilli, as Lusker beat my post and it looked like I was replying to him.


[Edited by jultzya on 05-01-2005 at 04:42 PM]

[Jultzya]

Thanks Lusker!

[Twilly]

get him un banned? I miss his posts....Maybe even get fixit50 back. What ya think?

[Dad]

I am not Boss or BC1 ...

I like you have to follow the rules not make them.


You are welcome Jules...