Delta Controls automation

[bryan l]

I work for a very large corperation that uses the Delta Controls Automation for its buildings. Anyone work with these systems? got any Tips? Tricks? Programs? Literature? Training manuals? Seached the web but so far no real luck.

[joey791]

Only Delta setup I saw was a DOS based system, pulled it out this summer and installed our line

[floating point]

If you are using DCU050's make sure you change the batteries every so often (While powered on of course). Make sure you back up the databases. What software do you have to access Iterm, IgraphW, Commander? I do have some literature on these what is it you are wanting to do?

Joey do you still have the one you took out? The customer I have with a couple of these might be interested in it for spare parts.

[joey791]

Sorry point its long gone, I wish I would have posted when I did it, I could at least have sent you the sensors, a few of the outputs went out on the board, so I dont think the board would have been reusable

[bryan l]

Well Im planning to do everything. :)(everything from adjusting setpoints, bypass, troubleshoot) I work allot with Supermarket controlers (such as CPC, Com-Trol, ect. ect. ect.) and My manager and I dont think its really required that we sub-contract the automation stuff to another company when there are a few of us that are quite qualified to take care of it. The program is being sent to us but I dont know what program there sending. So I will post that up when I get it. (I think Commander sounds right but will have to see when it gets here.) But I learned something already, I did not know there was multiple programs :)

What is the most user friendly program to use? are they each made with specific applications in mind or are they all just the same but different?

[dmaffei]

You need to determine what version you're working with. The latest is 3.30. They also have version 2, and version 3.22. Each version requires its own software and they require a software key (dongle). Version 2 is somewhat clunky, but after that, it works pretty good. All the programming and logic is straight forward and user friendly.

[maustin]

We operate a delta system that was installed in 1995. The programming is quite easy and the whole system is very intuitive. I have all of the set up and operation manuals, I can email them to you. Last time I submitted my email address, it was taken out by the moderators. We would also be interested in any spare ICP-015, ICP-040 thru 045 panels anyone may have laying around.

[bryan l]

my Hotmail account is XXXXXXXXX
E-mail me and I will reply with my main e-mail address that allows larger files.

I would love the info you have. :)

[Edited by lusker on 01-26-2005 at 07:06 PM]

[floating point]

The program differences are Iterm (Dos terminal type), IgraphW (Windows terminal type), Commander (Windows GUI). The newest Commander I have used is 3.10 so I am not much help on the newer stuff. On the cd there will be a users manual that will pretty much tell you what you need to know.

The systems are easy to work with and programming changes are a breeze.

I'm not real big on graphics and such and I am very comfortable with terminal type access. But most customers feel it is easier with a GUI although it can take a little bit of work to get it set up.

[bryan l]

got the program. Its IGRAPHW. I have NO info on the program or the control system. So its either learn it blind or find some way to get the manuals. maustin I dont know how to get you my e-mail the mods keep deleting it. Why? I dont know. anyway. I REALLY would like the info you have. so post up an idea of how I can get you my e-mail address.

[bryan l]

http://refrigeratedspace.blogspot.com/

its all there. :)

[maustin]

Try this, call me at 541-278-7311 and I'll get your info.

[maustin]

Maybe you can mail me your address. I'm at;
Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution
HVAC Supervisor
2500 Westgate
Pendleton, OR. 97801

[bryan l]

http://refrigeratedspace.blogspot.com/
Click the link. My address is the only one there. Cant miss it. :)

Also the program our sub-contractor uses is called "Orcaview"?

Anyone know anything about it? Know where I can get the program?

[dmaffei]

Orcaview. The program is free, its the dongle that will cost you. The program has both graphics and an Explorer type format for managing all of the controllers and points.

[bryan l]

You know in all the time I have been working with control systems I have never heard the term "Dongle". What exactly is a dongle. lol for some reason I always think of something dirty haha.

[dmaffei]

Dongle- I have no idea where the name came from, but they are annoying security devices that plug into your pc for software security. They are either 25 pin that plug into your parallel port or usb. When you boot up the software it looks for this device and if it doesn't see it, the software won't run.

[islandcool]

Bryan
Try this site http://www.energrated.com
This is the manufacturer of Delta Controls.
Unless there is more than one.
Cheers

[dmaffei]

Bryan, Delta's website is http://www.deltacontrols.com

[bryan l]

I have been to both the Delta site and the ESC site but neither have any info other than the fact they use the BACnet (BACtalk) protocol and that they make building automation. I would love to find some info on the IGRAPHW program if any of you have some.

The only program I have right now is the IGRAPHW and I can get around not to bad with it thus far. The first time I hooked up to the controler and I logged on no problem. Its just a simple Dos based program but I would like some more info about it. For example I can look around and make some changes but some of the boards on the BACnet I cannot access (the main board has most of the IO and RO but we have a board on each rooftop unit I cannot access) I am assuming its just that I dont have high enough pass level. (Not surprising)

I was also quite surprised that I cannot just plug into the Com1 port of the individual boards to pull up the interface, I have to connect to the master. OH the joys of learning new systems haha. Not the first, wont be the last :)

[maustin]

Bryanl

Give me a call at the number I listed previously, I'll send you the manuals that we have. I cannot seem to get a email through to the address at the link you provided.

Thanks,
M. Austin

[silversurfer]

i used to be a Tech for a Delta partner, i may be able to help you.

[silversurfer]

Brian, You are not going to be able to access any BACnet Panels with IGRAPHW, you need Orcaview, IGRAPHW is only compatible with Version 2(Legacy) Panels. There is really no information on the Software as it is basically only a way to view the Panel firmware. When you see the info through IGRAPHW, all that info is resident in the controller.

[bryan l]

Thanks silver. I am trying to get a copy of orcaview from various places but have not had much success. I understand its a free program but you need a "Dongle" and that must cost a few bucks. Is this correct?

[silversurfer]

Yes, unfortunately the dongle is quite pricey, i think it's somewhere in the area of $3000.00 CDN but don't quote me on this, see there are different levels of dongle you can get to, depending on how in depth you want to go with the programming. The basic lock i don't think is quite that much. So are you a technician?, or a building operator?, or what, don't let me insult your position, i'm just curious. If you wanted to get into some really nice graphics, in my experience Delta is the way to go. Same with the BACnet end of things, Delta will integrate with just about anything.

[silversurfer]

Oh yeah, and for the IGRAPHW manual what you are looking for is the Intellisys User Manual, it actually is for ITERM the old Dos Terminal Emulation Program, but ITERM and IGRAPHW are quite similar. I'll scavenge through my old files i may have it on disk.

[bryan l]

I am a market mechanic and I spend allot of time with controls and automation. at the moment I just want to be able to adjust setpoints and do some minor program changes like board replacement or configuration. We wont be building the systems since ESC does all that under contract/quoted work for renos and new installs. But is a pain having to call them all the time and to be honest they are not the most punctual group I have seen.

[maustin]

bryan l
call me at the number that I posted previously and i'll send you what you need.

M. Austin
EOCI HVAC Supervisor

[bryan l]

I called. no answer, just the voice mail. if i leave you a message it will get to you? I will try to call you again monday. :)

[maustin]

bryanl

leave a message or your mailing info, I will be in a training class until the 21st. I'll mail the manuals on that day.

Thanks

[thermos]

I worked for a Delta partner servicing delta controls for five years (I just quit to go to a different job). I may be able to help. Delta Controls is in British Columbia. I have worked on several types of systems and I think Orcaview is one of the best. The place I work now just chose Orcaview for their web-based bacnet front end. It is a University with about 70 buildings.

[Hadifarhadi]

dear joey
respectfully
i am a new user of this site and i do not know how to work with this site.
i have some questions about delta controls products, could you please help me ?
regards
hadi:confused: