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I just bought a used blower that I want to use to distribute heat from a wood stove to other rooms of the house thru ducts. Problem is, I can't find any sort of wiring info on it. Did pull the motor loose and have info from it, but no sort of wiring diagram. Can't find it on net either.
Emerson motor model K55HXFBM-1124
Part # 51-21764-01
I know it is 230v 2 spd and it has 4 wires. They are black, brown, red and orange. I also found where it is supposed to have a running capacitor (5mfd, 370v) but it doesn't have it so I will have to get it.
Can someone help me out with wiring info? TIA.
chuckcrj
11-21-2010, 02:22 PM
Sorry but you probably won't get much useful info here due to no diy rules.
basshound71
11-21-2010, 05:00 PM
Simple, just tie them all together then call somebody that knows what they are doing
Simple, just tie them all together then call somebody that knows what they are doing
Sorry, wasn't aware of the DIY rules. As for calling someone, I can't afford to. Wife hasn't worked in over a year, I am making less than $30,000 a year, no raise in over 3 years, have 5 (adult) mouths to feed and can't get any public assistance. Had 2 electric bills last year that were nearly $500 each while burning wood stove 12 hours a day and that takes it's toll on us. Was just trying to do something to help keep us warm without cutting into what little grocery money we have. Just hauled off an old truck Friday for scrap so we would have money to buy Thanksgiving Dinner.
No offense intended to the majority of you guys, but some of you haven't seen hard times yet. Maybe if you do, you will see why I have to do so many things myself. Before you say find a better paying job...sorry but there are few jobs left in the area. Can't afford to move either at the current time.
How many of you guys who are 46 could actually live on $13/hr, pay health insurance, mortgage, electric bill, car and home insurance, and buy groceries? Now you see why I have to do things on my own and try to research forums and learn? Thanks for your help.
yellowirenut
11-21-2010, 06:01 PM
I am going to be really jaded now...but your story is all to common. Its not that we dont want to help, but site rules do not allow us to help. If someone would give you very specific instructions they could be banned. This site is a valuable learning tool for us to be banned would mean losing a vast knowledge resource.
By the way...HVAC like most construction has been hit HARD by the economic downturn. Don't assume we all are making 50 an hour and living on the hog..that is far from the case.
beenthere
11-21-2010, 06:09 PM
If you have 5 adult mouths to feed. that means you have at least 3 people that can get a job at Micky D's or some other joint, flipping burgers, or what ever to bring in some extra money.
If any are over 60, then they can get their SSI.
Wife should still be getting unemployment checks.
A family of 5, can have a fairly high income, and still get food stamps.
CAP programs also pay for repairs to furnaces of needy people. To aid them in preventing the loss of their home.
anthonyac1
11-21-2010, 06:56 PM
plug it in and toss it into your fireplace and watch it distribute good heat. let me know how it goes. Keep me posted:deadhorse:
If you have 5 adult mouths to feed. that means you have at least 3 people that can get a job at Micky D's or some other joint, flipping burgers, or what ever to bring in some extra money.
Unemployment rate in my area is well over 10%. Wife was having to drive 25 miles each way to/from work since we live in the country. She has applied for jobs in fast food but they don't want to hire someone they feel is over qualified. One of my son's has just signed up for Army as he was working for an individual who had to cut his position due to slow business. Owner only had 2 employees. Since son was seen more as an independant contractor, there is no unemployment. He won't start basic training until after 1st of year so he is now without a job. Furthermore, not many people want to hire someone for only 4 weeks when they know he is leaving for the Army.
If any are over 60, then they can get their SSI.
Wife has an uncle (62) who lives with us that gets a SS check for less than $500 a month. He is mentally handicapped since birth, can't work, and none of the rest of the family wants to deal with him. He has epilepsy and other health issues and his insurance doesn't cover all expenses. That takes the majority of his check. Furthermore, he can't stay home alone for more than a few hours at a time. He did just get foodstamps about 2 months ago. He is receiving a total of $32/month in FS.
Wife should still be getting unemployment checks. Wife was never eligible. Before leaving, she was hearing rumors of her store being closed in the near future. In addition, she had a new district manager who wanted her to write up employees who did not meet a sales quota based on previous years, in an area that had a growing unemployment rate. She was talking to a manager from another business and was told to apply for a job their company had open. She did and was interviewed. All was good and was basically promised the job contingent on meeting with that company's DM the following day. Wife was excited and went back and turned her keys in. The following day when she met with the DM from the other company, she found they decided to cut the job out they were planning on filling. Since she quit, she was ineligible for unemployment and her store closed in 2 weeks. I told her it was a stupid move on her part and she agrees.
CAP programs also pay for repairs to furnaces of needy people. To aid them in preventing the loss of their home.
Furnace isn't torn up. House is old farmhouse that is over 120 years old and we have added all the insulation we can. It cannot be made more efficient without tearing down and rebuilding.
A family of 5, can have a fairly high income, and still get food stamps.About a year ago when we checked, they figured in my income, son's income, and uncle's SS. We were told we would receive less than $100/month. Am going to have to check into it again since son's income is now gone and when he goes to basic training, he will not be considered anyway.
GT Jets
11-21-2010, 07:07 PM
As much as I feel for the OP's story, but what does this have to do with anything?
No offense intended to the majority of you guys, but some of you haven't seen hard times yet. Maybe if you do, you will see why I have to do so many things myself. Before you say find a better paying job...sorry but there are few jobs left in the area. Can't afford to move either at the current time.
As for the motor/fan being used to circulate heat throughout the house...IMHO bad idea. Carbon monoxide could too easily be distributed throughout the entire home this way, especially if the fan disrupts the combustion process even a little.
As for the hard times....Been there and done that. Sorry for your troubles.
Unless you have people living in your home with disabilities, I have a hard time believing your doing "everything" in your power to better your situation. If you have the internet at your disposal, there are ways to make some cash here and there...
Good luck and hope things improve.
AllenJ
11-21-2010, 08:04 PM
My brother did what you want to do several years ago. The blower created negative pressure in the house caused the stove to down draft (while they were not at home) and filled the house with smoke. Caused extensive smoke damage and required significant dollars to have professionally cleaned.
My brother did what you want to do several years ago. The blower created negative pressure in the house caused the stove to down draft (while they were not at home) and filled the house with smoke. Caused extensive smoke damage and required significant dollars to have professionally cleaned.
I understand what you are saying but I am not planning on doing it the way you may think. I already have a wood stove with a factory blower installed (Buckstove). What I want to do is simply run a duct into the living room to pick hot air up 10' away from stove and distribute that into ducts in the house. I am not in any way connecting it to the stove directly or pulling any air from outside for it. It is simply redistributing warm air from living room to colder rooms on back side of house.
Roadhouse
11-21-2010, 08:31 PM
If I lived up there in your town bby, I would come over in a heartbeat and help you with your situation from start to finish, no charge. Well, maybe a good plate of turkey day food!
I've been in your shoes for a long, long time my friend, my entire family has. Good luck.
If I lived up there in your town bby, I would come over in a heartbeat and help you with your situation from start to finish, no charge. Well, maybe a good plate of turkey day food!
I've been in your shoes for a long, long time my friend, my entire family has. Good luck.
Thank you. About 3 years ago, things were much better for us. We were both working and getting ahead on credit cards and everything else. Since then, the cards have been maxed out and everything has been downhill. Oldest son sold his truck a few months ago to pay some of his bills off. Last week, he was driving wife's 96 Nissan and was ran off the road. Ended up busting oil pan, AC compressor, hoses, and belt. Now it's off the road for awhile. The day after that, my starter went out. I missed a day of work, but pulled it down and put new brushes in it. For a rebuilt starter, it was going to be $135, but I only spent $10 for the brushes. Seems like when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
For any of you who feel this can't happen to you, don't get too comfortable. It all happened so fast, you couldn't even grasp what effect it has on your life until you look back.
junkhound
11-21-2010, 09:40 PM
google mike holt
beenthere
11-21-2010, 09:50 PM
Unemployment rate in my area is well over 10%. Wife was having to drive 25 miles each way to/from work since we live in the country. She has applied for jobs in fast food but they don't want to hire someone they feel is over qualified. One of my son's has just signed up for Army as he was working for an individual who had to cut his position due to slow business. Owner only had 2 employees. Since son was seen more as an independant contractor, there is no unemployment. He won't start basic training until after 1st of year so he is now without a job. Furthermore, not many people want to hire someone for only 4 weeks when they know he is leaving for the Army.
Wife has an uncle (62) who lives with us that gets a SS check for less than $500 a month. He is mentally handicapped since birth, can't work, and none of the rest of the family wants to deal with him. He has epilepsy and other health issues and his insurance doesn't cover all expenses. That takes the majority of his check. Furthermore, he can't stay home alone for more than a few hours at a time. He did just get foodstamps about 2 months ago. He is receiving a total of $32/month in FS.
Wife was never eligible. Before leaving, she was hearing rumors of her store being closed in the near future. In addition, she had a new district manager who wanted her to write up employees who did not meet a sales quota based on previous years, in an area that had a growing unemployment rate. She was talking to a manager from another business and was told to apply for a job their company had open. She did and was interviewed. All was good and was basically promised the job contingent on meeting with that company's DM the following day. Wife was excited and went back and turned her keys in. The following day when she met with the DM from the other company, she found they decided to cut the job out they were planning on filling. Since she quit, she was ineligible for unemployment and her store closed in 2 weeks. I told her it was a stupid move on her part and she agrees.
Furnace isn't torn up. House is old farmhouse that is over 120 years old and we have added all the insulation we can. It cannot be made more efficient without tearing down and rebuilding.
About a year ago when we checked, they figured in my income, son's income, and uncle's SS. We were told we would receive less than $100/month. Am going to have to check into it again since son's income is now gone and when he goes to basic training, he will not be considered anyway.
Ok. So a year ago you turned down 1200 bucks a year in food stamps.
As sorry as I may feel for you. Its not our doing. And you don't want some HVAC contractor to have to lay off a guy and put him in the same position as you, because you fixed your own furnace do you.
Call your local CAP.
Roadhouse
11-21-2010, 10:10 PM
Ok. So a year ago you turned down 1200 bucks a year in food stamps.
As sorry as I may feel for you. Its not our doing. And you don't want some HVAC contractor to have to lay off a guy and put him in the same position as you, because you fixed your own furnace do you.
Call your local CAP.
Hear ME ROOOOOAAARRR!!!!
What does Citizens for Animal Protection have to do with this?
beenthere
11-21-2010, 10:13 PM
Hear ME ROOOOOAAARRR!!!!
What does Citizens for Animal Protection have to do with this?
Community Action program.
I use to do a fair number of unit change outs through them. And did repairs through them already too.
Roadhouse
11-21-2010, 10:20 PM
Community Action program.
I use to do a fair number of unit change outs through them. And did repairs through them already too.
That's some good info for the OP.
I'd like to get involved and do community work. I can see myself in the near future spending my time with Habitat for Humanity, building homes, brightening lives. Been thinking about it a lot lately.
GT Jets
11-21-2010, 10:21 PM
That's some good info for the OP.
I'd like to get involved and do community work. I can see myself in the near future spending my time with Habitat for Humanity, building homes, brightening lives. Been thinking about it a lot lately.
:patriot:
Roadhouse
11-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Certainly, although I do believe that the privelage to be able to do so is all mine.
Salute Jimmy Carter instead. :yes:
AllenJ
11-22-2010, 06:05 AM
I understand what you are saying but I am not planning on doing it the way you may think. I already have a wood stove with a factory blower installed (Buckstove). What I want to do is simply run a duct into the living room to pick hot air up 10' away from stove and distribute that into ducts in the house. I am not in any way connecting it to the stove directly or pulling any air from outside for it. It is simply redistributing warm air from living room to colder rooms on back side of house.
That's almost exactly what my brother did. Except I don't think his stove had a blower. The intake to his duct and was near the ceiling on the opposite side of the room from the wood stove. It did distribute the heat very nicely, but after the down draft (and cleanup) he removed it.
Airmechanical
11-22-2010, 08:11 AM
as for the OP, we understand your situation, some of us are in it as well
the info you seek is out there, the fact of the matter is, if you have the time you have to go find it
1. learn basic electricity
2. learn how to diagnise electrical problems
3. learn how a motor works
4. learn how to diagnose a motor
this is the things we have had to learn, there are a lot of variables for each application which could make your job dangerous
work out a payment plan for a company to fix your current problem now while you learn electricity
if your into DIY, and who isn't;
start learning about things that you think may break in your house, before they break, sounds silly ha!
there are many wrong ways you can wire that motor/cap and/or hurt yourself in the process
don't expect miracles here, unless you need to discuss a load calc or something like that
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as for the OP, we understand your situation, some of us are in it as well
the info you seek is out there, the fact of the matter is, if you have the time you have to go find it
1. learn basic electricity
2. learn how to diagnise electrical problems
3. learn how a motor works
4. learn how to diagnose a motor
this is the things we have had to learn, there are a lot of variables for each application which could make your job dangerous
work out a payment plan for a company to fix your current problem now while you learn electricity
if your into DIY, and who isn't;
start learning about things that you think may break in your house, before they break, sounds silly ha!
there are many wrong ways you can wire that motor/cap and/or hurt yourself in the process
don't expect miracles here, unless you need to discuss a load calc or something like that
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Understand what you are saying, but I have more experience at most of this than what you may think. As for electricity/electronics, I am 1 elective class away from associates degree in electronics...or at least I was 25 years ago. Just never went back to take the other class. I have wired my own house and part of my job consists of electrical diagnostics. Some of you may know what I do if I mention qmt2. Today, I was into the same 20+ year old York units as you while doing pm's and troubleshooting W1 and W2 in a few of the 18 rtu's at 1 of my stores. Have wired their 277v lighting thru relays, contactors and even energy management systems that we all love so well. I am also a certified marine tech and have worked on/rebuilt outboards and jetskis when I worked at a $tealership 15 yrs ago. Even had my own shop at home for a few years, but it is hard to make ends meet doing boat repairs in January in TN. I have rebuilt car engines and had a transmission torn apart in the kitchen floor last winter while rebuilding it. Even managed C-stores for about 8 years. I have done a little of everything at sometime in the past. I am not afraid to learn, but am not too shy to ask a question if I don't understand something. Guess about the only things left are to get a medical degree and hvac certification. I still have a few years left so maybe I will set my goals toward that. Can't be any worse than where I am at now.
Roadhouse
11-22-2010, 06:05 PM
I like the idea of you going for hvac. With all of that expertise behind you I really think it would suit you fine.
Go for it, you can support your family a lot better as well and that's about as far as I can take that.
timebuilder
11-22-2010, 06:22 PM
Sorry, wasn't aware of the DIY rules. As for calling someone, I can't afford to. Wife hasn't worked in over a year, I am making less than $30,000 a year, no raise in over 3 years, have 5 (adult) mouths to feed and can't get any public assistance. Had 2 electric bills last year that were nearly $500 each while burning wood stove 12 hours a day and that takes it's toll on us. Was just trying to do something to help keep us warm without cutting into what little grocery money we have. Just hauled off an old truck Friday for scrap so we would have money to buy Thanksgiving Dinner.
No offense intended to the majority of you guys, but some of you haven't seen hard times yet. Maybe if you do, you will see why I have to do so many things myself. Before you say find a better paying job...sorry but there are few jobs left in the area. Can't afford to move either at the current time.
How many of you guys who are 46 could actually live on $13/hr, pay health insurance, mortgage, electric bill, car and home insurance, and buy groceries? Now you see why I have to do things on my own and try to research forums and learn? Thanks for your help.
With respect, sir, you have zero idea of what many of us have been through.
I recommend you call a local group like a church that may have someone there who will volunteer their time and expertise. If they are a professional, they will have insurance coverage for their work. Then, you will be 1) safe and have 2) recourse if something goes wrong.
We can't take on the liability for someone whose skills we can not measure, and then have that advice become a part of a searchable database that could be put to use by an untrained person with disastrous results.
Many Bible churches have community outreach volunteers who will come and help. Make those calls, and good luck.
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