New Trane Coming Aboard.

[mayguy]

Well, the old Chrysler AirTemp bit the dust the other night. It's 36 years old, and I was expecting it to go. The fan bearing was shot, and the motor over heated. Didn't think it was wroth spending the money to replace w/ a new blower motor.
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Unit standing for it's last time in the house.

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Names of the people who installed this equipment back in '68

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Furance all gone! A-Coil on it's own now.

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The furnace alone in the garage ready to go bye-bye.


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Walls and part of floor is painted ready for the new Trane.

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Coil is hanging on it's own again. it will be taken out along with the outdoor unit on Friday. The outdoor unit is on the wall of shame http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=60367

Will post on Friday when the new system is installed.


Game Plan..
-Trane XV90 80k
-Bottom renturn for Meida Filter
-VisonPro 2-stage stat
-12SEER outdoor unit W/ TXV Coil
-Redo gas line to water heater, and ready for gas stove, and dryer.
-Paint whole floor in furnace room and walls.
-New Water heater.

[Edited by mayguy on 10-27-2004 at 07:09 PM]

[tinner73]

why not have to guys that installed fix it. call em you have their numbers. looks like the bottom of that h2o tank has a little singe mark. you better fix that gas line or you'll be abused on here. have fun...nothing worse than working on your own stuff for free.

[mayguy]

why not have to guys that installed fix it.

I did a search on those #'s and they don't match with the names.. Who knows.. those guys may be long retired or gone?


looks like the bottom of that h2o tank has a little singe
Yes, the waterheater has seen better days, and is going to be replaced soon. When I moved in, had to flush it.. I'd say it never been flushed out for 20 years.


you better fix that gas line

Yep, it's in the game plan!

[mayguy]

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Removed the line sets, and removed the foam, and found the TXV bulb duct taped at "noon" postion. Not straped tightly to the lineset.

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Got the area relevled for the pad.

The battery was dead on the camera,and wasn't able to take a pix of the removed the old unit outside, and the line sets. When the linet set was removed, the low voltage wire was spliced in 3 area with duct tape.. Humm... dogs must of had lunch on the wires.

[ricm]

Sounds like you are doing it all by the numbers May... keep the pix comin... anxcious about seeing it all in place.

[mayguy]

More info follows at the end of the pictures.

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Got it installed today.

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Got the outdoor unit installed, was not able to take a picture of it due it was already dark. we also had a sevear t-storm come though, so was not able to pump it down.

The bottom return did not work out. By the time it was up, room for the coil, media filter, there was not enough headroom to make the transtion. So end up doing the side return, and they upgraded me to the honeywell media filter. Took out the pipe for the basement return, and panned the wall to give us room to move the furance to the right to allow room for the media filter.

Drain is just a temp for now so I'll be able to use the heat

On Monday, will finsh off the A/C, and wrapping up the lineset at the furance. Do the drain lines, secure the conduit, and gas line.

[ricm]

spectacular work May... lovely job on the PVC. I install many of the new Honeywell touch-screens... whats your thoughts on them? A Choo-Choo dealer such as myself? Good play-by-play with the pics too.

[mayguy]

whats your thoughts on them?

I love it. This is my first time I used such thing. Really easy to set up, and like the ideal you can "Customize" the t-stat.and what not.. (like non-program, 2 stage set up.. ect)

My mom just happend to stop by when I got done instaling the t-stat. She likes it, and is going to ask her installing dealer to upgrade her to this.

[ricm]

Any thoughts on you giving your Mom a better deal on such a thermostat... than her installing dealer? You could pull strings? :D

[BaldLoonie]

Looking good. Nice metal, nice flue work. Whose coil? Doesn't look like a Choo Choo or isn't the suction line connected?

[mayguy]

Any thoughts on you giving your Mom a better deal on such a thermostat...

I am not a dealer. I had it put in, and helped out some what by taking out the old furance, holding this and that.


Doesn't look like a Choo Choo or isn't the suction line connected

Right, it's not Trane's Coil. We used the old York one since it's only 2-3 years old, and it had a TXV, and was rated 12 SEERS.

[mayguy]

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The venting was brought out though the garage and out back.

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I was going to do the bayvent, but will wait with that when I reside the house down the road.

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The outdoor unit, I went with the XR11, insted of the of the XLi13

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Drain lines all hookedup, and A-Coil sealed and ready for cooling next summer.

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I had this job done though The Home Depot, HiMEC is the installing company. Matt, the installer did a very good job on the project and took his time and pride in this work.

[dum one]

like the trac pipe. whatcha think?

[ricm]

Show room quality, Mayguy.... yes indeedy. :)

[BaldLoonie]

Did you put a start kit on the XR11 for the TXV?

[mayguy]

Did you put a start kit on the XR11 for the TXV?

Yes, there is a start kit on it.

[mattm]

At least you didn't shove the condensor up under the deck.

[dirt]

Originally posted by mayguy
Well, the old Chrysler AirTemp bit the dust the other night. It's 36 years old, and I was expecting it to go. The fan bearing was shot, and the motor over heated. Didn't think it was wroth spending the money to replace w/ a new blower motor.
http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147479_airtemp.JPG
Unit standing for it's last time in the house.

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147477_Service.JPG
Names of the people who installed this equipment back in '68

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147480_Acoil1.JPG
Furance all gone! A-Coil on it's own now.

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147482_RIPGarage.JPG
The furnace alone in the garage ready to go bye-bye.


http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147483_freshpaint.JPG
Walls and part of floor is painted ready for the new Trane.

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147484_paint2.JPG
Coil is hanging on it's own again. it will be taken out along with the outdoor unit on Friday. The outdoor unit is on the wall of shame http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=60367

Will post on Friday when the new system is installed.


Game Plan..
-Trane XV90 80k
-Bottom renturn for Meida Filter
-VisonPro 2-stage stat
-12SEER outdoor unit W/ TXV Coil
-Redo gas line to water heater, and ready for gas stove, and dryer.
-Paint whole floor in furnace room and walls.
-New Water heater.

[Edited by mayguy on 10-27-2004 at 07:09 PM]
It would be just about as easy to pump down and remove that coil so you can work.

[2hot2coolme]

Looks good.
I thought YOU were the one that was going to install that.
I don't think the XL13i is available anymore...might be wrong though.
What is that return grill on the wall on the otherside of the furnace connected to? Is that sleeved to the furnace? Is it filtered?
Can't use that trac pipe here though...would be nice if we could.
Didja tell the installer his work was gonna be posted so he better do a great job? :D

[mayguy]

It would be just about as easy to pump down and remove that coil so you can work.

Dirt,

I guess I never thought about pumping it down.. Guess I could of done that! and Oops the line broke on me, and lost the last of the pressure. hehe



thought YOU were the one that was going to install that

2hot2coolme,

I did take out the old furance. I am not a dealer or installer, I used to be in the HVAC Field 10 years ago.


What is that return grill on the wall on the otherside of the furnace connected to?

The return at first had it own pipe tied up to the main return, but since room was lost due to the Honeywell Air Filter, he removed the boot, and panned the wall, and moved the pipe to the top of the panning.

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/147483_freshpaint.JPG

I will post a new pix of that if you want.


Can't use that trac pipe here though.

I am not sure what you guys mean by that? It's PVC unless you mean the grey pipe from the A-Coil.


Didja tell the installer his work was gonna be posted so he better do a great job?

Yes, when he was here on Monday, I asked if he been on HVAC_talk, he said no.. So I showed him the sight, and he was happy to see that I've posted this on here. So he may be poking his head in here?? hehe

[2hot2coolme]

Trac pipe is the yellow flexible gas pipe you have.
They sell it here, but many areas won't allow it.

[mayguy]

ok.. The gastite line.. They are used alot around here.. My parents had it redone in the whole house in the last home, and in the new house it done in the whole house.

I like it after how it is done.. No between joints to worry about leaks. and time saving!

[mayguy]

The City inspector came by yesterday afternoon and inspect the whole setup, and he said looks great, and this company has done a great jobs in other home.

It got down to 10* last night and she ran nice and steady in 1st stage keeping temp w/ no problem!

[mayguy]

Got the new water heater in at last. Been putting it off till after Christmas and New Year.

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The water heater is MUCH taller than the old one!

Lucky the height stop at where it did.. Otherwise, I wouldn't have enough pitch for the flue pipe.

[lilquiz]

GOOD LOOKING JOB!!!!
afriad it would not pass code in NC though. seams not sealed and no cleaner on PVC vent pipe. Must be nice not to work with the messy stuff.

[mayguy]

The purple cleaner/primer is not needed around here. just on plumbling. Yeah, I've seen pix on here with the purple stuff, man looks like crap!

You could use duct mastic if you wanted to, but it's in an open basement, and not in the attic or crawlspace.

[gas cock]

pretty scrapy 2x4 box switch,cover flex emt looks scrapy how do you shut power off to this unit let me guess go to the breaker panel right ?

[ricm]

Good thing you came along Gas Cocky... We were all thinking it was a pretty good job! :D

[mayguy]

There is a switch just on the return drop, What's wrong with the 2 x 4 box w/ shut off switch, What do you use?

The flex conduit is a whole lot better than bare wire going from the switch to the furnace itself. So I don't see what's scrappy abou it?

[rebelchevyz71]

Did you notice a difference in your electric bill with the XR 11? I just had a 4 ton Trane XB 12 installed 4/16/05..I had a 26 y/o 3.5 ton Whilrpool removed..In December,had a 4 ton Ruud Air Handler installed...

[mayguy]

I would not know.. I had this unit installed in Oct, so Didn't use it in cooling mode.

They are due to be back next week to do a start up/performace test.

We moved into this house in Sept, and the old unit was a 12SEER York, I will see this summer if it's lower than the york or not. I am sure it'll be the same or a tad bit lower since I have the variable speed furnace vs the old '68 furnace that was in the home.

[tinbndr]

hey may guy the new company you would be looking for is tonna heating and cooling thompson was larry thompson who later opened thompson heating and cooling and was bought out by steve murphy and changed to tonna heating and cooling .WANT TO KNOW MORE .. e-mail me at bellahenn@cox.net i used to live in rochester for 30 years and now live and work in southern california

[mayguy]

Hey,

Thanks for replying back.. I never thought about connecting "Thompson" to the Thompson Heating I used to hear... I used to intern w/ Tonna when I was in college... Did you use to work at Tonna?

Today was the first real run of the A/C we got up to 90.. I started the system off this am with 65% humidity, and when I go thome tonight at 10, it was around 43%.. so the Comfort-R did a good job. The fan was set to "Auto", and I did set it over to "Circ" and see what happens.

[tinbndr]

yes i did it was the first place i ever worked then for superior mechanical,action plumbing,again superior mechanical and then to southern california

[mayguy]

I'd figured I'd put an updated picture up of the work in the utlity room.

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Put in a new GE 12 year water heater, and water softner in.

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Painted the walls and epoxy paint on the floor.

[t527ed]

trip over them drain lines much???? w t f is up with that?

[mayguy]

Originally posted by t527ed
trip over them drain lines much???? w t f is up with that?

No,, I don't trip over the drain line.. just learn to step over it. Didn't see a point of putting a pump in where the floor drain works just fine.

What do you do?

[ricm]

Proper thing... drains lines are fine... only other option excluding the pump, is to jack hammer a slot in the floor, insert drainlines, and fill back in before the epoxy floor paint... But... I'd rather learn to step over the lines like you have here.... :D

[mayguy]

Originally posted by ricm
Proper thing... drains lines are fine... only other option excluding the pump, is to jack hammer a slot in the floor, insert drainlines, and fill back in before the epoxy floor paint... But... I'd rather learn to step over the lines like you have here.... :D


I agree about learning to step over it..

Only time I'd suggest breaking the cement or pump if it's a high traffic area, or no floor drain.

[t527ed]

would have put in a pump. customer trips over line it's my a$$, your job your house i guess you learn to step!!

[thero]

not to be ngative, but I still like black pipe.

Speaking of gas line remember those post that used 3/4 brazed cooper to supply gast to the furnace?

[mayguy]

I agree. there are time I'd go for black pipe.