The Big Debate

[mattm]

Bush is sounding kind of nervous and studdering. I don't know if that's good.

[appltech1]

Kerry is a promising liar. Hes got all the answers for ending the war so he says. Bull!

[mattm]

I knew Bush would nail him on flip flopping. But it just seemed like he was having a hard time searching for words.

[Frank_G]

My Guy Won!

Frank

[bb]

Kerry was good, But it just goes to show you how inconsistant he is.. I.E. ...Contradictions about Saddam being a threat...."I have only had 1 position on Iraq.....Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.

[RoBoTeq]

I couldn't stomach listening to Kerry any longer.

[Edmund Forsthe]

maybe somebody slipped kerry the questions? he seemd too ready with the answers. then my alternator light come and i took that as a divine sign to shut the radio off and go home and fix the car, got done as soon as the debate was over.cost me a hundred bucks for a new rebuilt alternator from mexico.

[Edited by Edmund Forsthe on 10-01-2004 at 12:19 AM]

[bb]

Originally posted by Edmund Forsthe
maybe somebody slipped kerry the questions? he seemd too ready with the answers. then my alternator light come and i took that as a divine sign to shut the radio off and go home and fix the car, got done as soon as the debate was over.cost me a hundred bucks for a new rebuilt alternator from mexico.

[Edited by Edmund Forsthe on 10-01-2004 at 12:19 AM]

At least You did something productive ! :)

[woods mech]

about Kerry's big promises. He says he has a plan to fix everything yet he has been one of the most do nothing senators in congress. Unless of course you count him consistently voting against the military which he says he'll support in the wrong war at the wrong time. Help is on the way huh? We saw how much he helped the military back in '71. No thanks. The guy continued to talk but said absolutely nothing of substance.

[hvacbear]

I have never heard the details of any of his miracle plans.

[motorboy1]

Kerry did very well. The shrub? Well, he's the shrub, lame and totally out of touch with reality. I don't think the shrub will be able to last for two more debates. Should be fun watching him squirm and be on the defensive again though. I was watching Fox (Faux) News earlier today and all those redneck retard republicans they have disseminating their propoganda were predicting that the shrub was gonna' mop the floor with Mr. John Kerry. Ha! Not even close! What a bunch of idiots.

Bush and Co. What a retarded mess!

[Edmund Forsthe]

to each his own opinions have already been formed and can not be changed, sarcasm begets only hate and anger so whats the point, one vote will never decide the presidency, it can never come that close, you only see the wrong of who you do not support and is blind to the others weakness. it is easy to critisize somebody in whose shoes you will never be in. but as i said if the side you support wins and screws up royally wiil you stand up and admit your errors or will you be a coward and hide with the masses with no voice. and be like somebody and say let me clarify my position.

[caosesvida]

good point ed, your answer goes for quite a lot of posts on this site, from both sides of the polictical table.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by motorboy1
Kerry did very well. The shrub? Well, he's the shrub, lame and totally out of touch with reality. I don't think the shrub will be able to last for two more debates. Should be fun watching him squirm and be on the defensive again though. I was watching Fox (Faux) News earlier today and all those redneck retard republicans they have disseminating their propoganda were predicting that the shrub was gonna' mop the floor with Mr. John Kerry. Ha! Not even close! What a bunch of idiots.

Bush and Co. What a retarded mess!

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Kerry has been a debater all his life, since college. But because you can debate well doesn't mean your argument is the correct one.

You also have to remember (supposedly you already know this, but maybe not), the President is privy to info that no one else is due to national security. He has to be very careful and think through all he says before responding. His words must be well chosen. You can bet Kerry played on that.

[cehs]

I missed the whole thing.
I had to get my son from the airport and missed it.

This morning the media SAYS that kerry won, but I want to decide for myself.
(I'm one of those who thinks for himself. I don't want to be told what to think)
Bush does stammer from time to time, but I think Kerry is BORING with long drawn out answers that never get to the heart of the matter.

I just can't trust someone who flip flops so often and wants more government programs to tax me for...

[spike]

this interesting video I found...


http://www.pbs.org/now/debate.html#

[mattm]

Originally posted by bootlen
You also have to remember (supposedly you already know this, but maybe not), the President is privy to info that no one else is due to national security. He has to be very careful and think through all he says before responding. His words must be well chosen. You can bet Kerry played on that.

You know I never even thought of that and your right.

[Special Ed]

I didn't see a victory for either the President or for the waffling challenger; however, a draw could be construed as a victory for Kerry. On the other hand, you can't say the President stuttered too much hence was unsure of his answers; that's just the way he is & has always been. And I still heard evidence of Kerry being inconsistent even while debating. Worrisome. Worrisome indeed.

Doesn't matter, though. I had already made up my mind who I was going to vote for anyway.

[RoBoTeq]

These "debates" are designed for the idiots that cannot understand the issues and need to vote for who "seems" to be the better candidate. It is a popularity contest and everyone is going to get something different from them.

Kerry is a spit polished politician that can and has talked himself into key political positions by telling the American people what they want to hear.

President Bush is a more down to earth kind of a guy who has the family and political clout to run this country the way it needs to run rather than the way we the uninformed masse think it should be run.

If I had to decide on which one I would want as a leader if the president was the only factor of leadership I would not choose either one. The fact is that the President is only the head of a large orgainization that puts together masses of information and acts on it. President Bush reacts to situations in the best interest of the American people. I fear that Kerry would do what is in the best interest of getting Kerry reelected.

[Edmund Forsthe]

was the question on how to stem the loss of jobs ever brought up?
i think too much focus on iraq and not enought on domestic issues makes for a square debate.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by Edmund Forsthe
was the question on how to stem the loss of jobs ever brought up?
i think too much focus on iraq and not enought on domestic issues makes for a square debate.

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Would that what you say is true. Fact is, the most pressing issue is and should be the war on terrorism. If terrorism takes a back seat to domestic issues, vry soon we won't have any domestic issues to discuss. Witness what happened to the economy because of 9-11.

Don't be mistaken. Terrorism is the issue of 1st priority.

[ozone drone]

Originally posted by Edmund Forsthe
was the question on how to stem the loss of jobs ever brought up?
i think too much focus on iraq and not enought on domestic issues makes for a square debate.

This was the first of 4 debates. Each is supposed to focus on different areas. The economy will be brought up on an upcoming debate.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

If I had to decide on which one I would want as a leader if the president was the only factor of leadership I would not choose either one. The fact is that the President is only the head of a large orgainization that puts together masses of information and acts on it. President Bush reacts to situations in the best interest of the American people. I fear that Kerry would do what is in the best interest of getting Kerry reelected.

Uh... Okay, right. If you think the President puts together masses of info & then acts on it in a way he thinks is in the best interests of America, then WHY wouldn't you choose him?

The way this post is written sounds like you aren't able to make a decision no matter how obvious the choice seems to be.

[infwsdm]

The thing that stuck out the most to me is that kerry biches and says we went it alone in iraq yada yada, and then he turns around and says he wants to go it alone in North Korea. WTF?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by infwsdm
The thing that stuck out the most to me is that kerry biches and says we went it alone in iraq yada yada, and then he turns around and says he wants to go it alone in North Korea. WTF?

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That's a typical Kerry-ism.

Did you notice he never said what his plans are? Only that he will do things differently. K is the-man-with-no-plan. Except to get elected. Bet that plan is spoiled in Nov.

[Special Ed]

Yep. Inconsistent.

[Special Ed]

Second thought, he IS consistent about two things: about being inconsistent & about raising taxes.

[rob10]

He consisitently rambled on about bringing the UN and our "OUR" allies on board in Iraq. Screw the french, the germans, and the russians!!

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by rob10
He consisitently rambled on about bringing the UN and our "OUR" allies on board in Iraq. Screw the french, the germans, and the russians!!

Rob dude, I always you enjoy your post, but you are out there. :)

It wasnt just a few weeks ago you were telling me vote for the guy that found Jesus.

Then in the same breath your saying your a Nazi/Republican?

Huh? Didnt the Nazi's hate the Jews? Wasnt Jesus the king of Jews?

I think you are just goofing, cause nobody could possible take Bush seriously.

It has to be a goof and I am to niave to see it...

[rob10]

Kerry was the one that was way out there!! PLAN!! WHAT PLAN!! Is he gonna handle Iraq like he handled his personal vietnam??? :eek:

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by rob10
Kerry was the one that was way out there!! PLAN!! WHAT PLAN!! Is he gonna handle Iraq like he handled his personal vietnam??? :eek:

Your goofing again right?

What is bush doing? He has no plan, at least Kerry knows what Vietnam looks like. Bush will bankrupt this country like he did the company's his daddy gave him.

The war in Iraq was a mistake. It wasnt two weeks ago Bush addressed the UN about the war in Iraq and was met with a cool response.

The head of the UN called the stike by the US in Iraq "almost criminal"... found that on the front page of USA today while sitting in Ohara International Airport (I think that is a pretty reliable source).

Seriously, I am a registered Republican but I just cant deal with four more years of mumbles...anything other than W has got to be an improvement, sorry.

[rob10]

The head of the UN is a socialist!! He also embraces trying to negotiate with terrorists!!! BAWAAAAAAA!!! Screw the UN!! Kerry wants every penny he can get of your hard in dollar to pay for his SOCIALIST programs!! Think about it before you make a mistake!! :eek:

[Murphcoair]

It seems to me that Kerrys plan is Bushes plan, except he is going to hold a meeting ( summit) about it and ask the nations and organizations ( France, Germany, Russia, and the UN,) that would not enforce there own resolutions voted on in the UN security council meetings for the past 11 years, because they were to busy scamming cash in the oil for food program, to help .

Other than that I felt Kerry was well prepared for the debate, his answers were presented in a clear concise manner, since this was a nationally televised event , I guess Kerry has to stick with his new messages, for the next 5 weeks, or even the Networks might get confused.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2

[B]
.....nobody could possible take Bush seriously.

.... I am to niave ...

OMG you sure are.

Do you take kerry seriously???????

[acmanko]

Bush,hehehehe, not even a good joke.

[hvac r us 2]

I don’t know, at least I am doing my best to make an educated decision rather than jumping on the “vote by the party” bandwagon. I just don’t get how so many Bush supporters can over look so many bad decision on his part that have affected this country. And I am not talking about just the war in Iraq...

It’s like they are brainwashed or something (no offense intended). Strange, I can completely accept the fact if your feeling is “he has screwed up a lot, but he has done some good things and I feel he is the better of the two” Now that I get…but most act like he (Bush) is the greatest president in history, with no acknowledgment of some of his poor decisions.

It’s like this guy is looked at through rose-colored glasses or something…

During the debate Kerry was (like it or not) articulate, confident and come across as the more intelligent leader, as opposed to mumbles.

Bush plays into the “I am a likable character” with fancy catch phrases and says nothing of substance. Even when he recites documentation he is usually inaccurate.

He made the claims (in numbers) of how many Iraq police/military have been trained and will be trained in the next few months. And as usual the following morning they had to make a retraction, his numbers were exaggerated by more than double…looks good on TV guess.

Point being, I don’t know if Kerry is the answer. But at least Americans should listen to both sides to make the best possible choice…most do not. Much more fun to root for your team than to acknowledge that the other team might just be better.

[rob10]

Needless to say the Prez is the Prez but in overall terms the "Presidency" not only consists of the President but the administration that serves him. If this were a football game the "depth" chart of players would certainly show that the Republicans have far more talent. The US government is the largest business on earth. This takes leadership to run. Albeit Dick Cheney has come under fire for his ties to Halliburton, it does not diminish the fact that Halliburton was profitable under his tutellage. Rumsfeld has served numerous Republican administrations. His leadership was instrumental in quickly ousting Saddam. If we change leadership now, we go back to "square 1" with a Democratic Commander-in Chief who changes his mind about issues as quickly as my wife changes shoes. This will not bode well for our position as being the only "Superpower" in the world. Besides the dems vice-prez candidate whose only claim to fame is being an ambulance chaser, Kerry has not trotted his team out unto the field of play. I for one would literally puke to see Hitlary or Reno as National Security Advisor or Secretary of State.

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by rob10
Needless to say the Prez is the Prez but in overall terms the "Presidency" not only consists of the President but the administration that serves him. If this were a football game the "depth" chart of players would certainly show that the Republicans have far more talent. The US government is the largest business on earth. This takes leadership to run. Albeit Dick Cheney has come under fire for his ties to Halliburton, it does not diminish the fact that Halliburton was profitable under his tutellage. Rumsfeld has served numerous Republican administrations. His leadership was instrumental in quickly ousting Saddam. If we change leadership now, we go back to "square 1" with a Democratic Commander-in Chief who changes his mind about issues as quickly as my wife changes shoes. This will not bode well for our position as being the only "Superpower" in the world. Besides the dems vice-prez candidate whose only claim to fame is being an ambulance chaser, Kerry has not trotted his team out unto the field of play. I for one would literally puke to see Hitlary or Reno as National Security Advisor or Secretary of State.

Under all the clowning, I knew you were a bright guy! Well said...getting so caught up in Kerry vs Bush I forgot about the big picture.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
I don’t know, at least I am doing my best to make an educated decision rather than jumping on the “vote by the party” bandwagon. I just don’t get how so many Bush supporters can over look so many bad decision on his part that have affected this country. And I am not talking about just the war in Iraq...

It seems that it's a matter of opinion especially when you refer to the war in irag to be a bad decision. I don't think you understand what the iraq situation means for the long run You need more education.

It’s like they are brainwashed or something (no offense intended).
that's what I was thinking of the dumb****crats

Strange, I can completely accept the fact if your feeling is “he has screwed up a lot, but he has done some good things and I feel he is the better of the two” Now that I get…but most act like he (Bush) is the greatest president in history, with no acknowledgment of some of his poor decisions.

list the poor decisions

It’s like this guy is looked at through rose-colored glasses or something…

I think it's more of looked at without clouded thinking.


During the debate Kerry was (like it or not) articulate, confident and come across as the more intelligent leader, as opposed to mumbles.

It would help you if you would pay attention to WHAT is said rather than HOW it is said!

Bush plays into the “I am a likable character” with fancy catch phrases and says nothing of substance. Even when he recites documentation he is usually inaccurate.

you're talking out of your a$$ now

He made the claims (in numbers) of how many Iraq police/military have been trained and will be trained in the next few months. And as usual the following morning they had to make a retraction, his numbers were exaggerated by more than double…looks good on TV guess.

This IS interesting. On three different stations I heard that the numbers have been confirmed by iraqs leader on two of the stations and on the other that there are only 50,000 trained. I would like to know which is true.

However, I also heard that something like 40,000 of the iraqi troops got fired.


Point being, I don’t know if Kerry is the answer. But at least Americans should listen to both sides to make the best possible choice…most do not. Much more fun to root for your team than to acknowledge that the other team might just be better.


I am not on any bandwagon. I do know that I am not a democrat based on what I hear democrats talking about on TV. I have never heard more stupidity in my life than what I hear from democrats.



Do you want to pay more taxes? Do you know what would happen if this happens?
Do you want other countries to determine american policy and defense?

How can you even consider a person for any position that contradicts himself on a daily basis?

Do you want the government to take care of and support you?

More social programs?

Does being a better public speaker mean you can lead and make decisions that are in the peoples best interest?

[infwsdm]

...And before 9/11 I didn't give a $hit who was president.

But now.......

[Edited by infwsdm on 10-02-2004 at 12:46 PM]

[hvac r us 2]

Infwsdm

You can take your condescending tone directed at me and shove it.

Bush is an idiot; I am just trying to decide if Kerry is a bigger idiot. The only person that has said anything logical about this election has been Rob (thanks Rob).

If you can’t come up with anything Bush has done wrong on your own without any help from me, you are the one that needs to be better educated.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
Infwsdm

You can take your condescending tone directed at me and shove it.

Bush is an idiot; I am just trying to decide if Kerry is a bigger idiot. The only person that has said anything logical about this election has been Rob (thanks Rob).

If you can’t come up with anything Bush has done wrong on your own without any help from me, you are the one that needs to be better educated.


If you took it as condescending to you then you are an idiot and can go f@#$ yourself. How'd that be?

If you want to run your trap and can't back it up then you can go F@#$ yourself.

You are the idiot!!!

you dumb****

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by infwsdm

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
Infwsdm

You can take your condescending tone directed at me and shove it.

Bush is an idiot; I am just trying to decide if Kerry is a bigger idiot. The only person that has said anything logical about this election has been Rob (thanks Rob).

If you can’t come up with anything Bush has done wrong on your own without any help from me, you are the one that needs to be better educated.


If you took it as condescending to you then you are an idiot and can go f@#$ yourself. How'd that be?

If you want to run your trap and can't back it up then you can go F@#$ yourself.

You are the idiot!!!

you dumb****


Get lost jerk off, I can back up facts all day…all you can do is name-calling.

You’re not going to listen to anybody’s opinion other than your own anyhow, why waste my breath.

In your world you may be a big deal, in my world you’re about as much trouble as a cloudy day.

I know your type, big and bad when nobody can see you. Cower like a little girl face-to-face…go take a Midol and shut up.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by hvac r us 2

Originally posted by infwsdm

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
Infwsdm

You can take your condescending tone directed at me and shove it.

Bush is an idiot; I am just trying to decide if Kerry is a bigger idiot. The only person that has said anything logical about this election has been Rob (thanks Rob).

If you can’t come up with anything Bush has done wrong on your own without any help from me, you are the one that needs to be better educated.


If you took it as condescending to you then you are an idiot and can go f@#$ yourself. How'd that be?

If you want to run your trap and can't back it up then you can go F@#$ yourself.

You are the idiot!!!

you dumb****


Get lost jerk off, I can back up facts all day…all you can do is name-calling.

You’re not going to listen to anybody’s opinion other than your own anyhow, why waste my breath.

In your world you may be a big deal, in my world you’re about as much trouble as a cloudy day.

I know your type, big and bad when nobody can see you. Cower like a little girl face-to-face…go take a Midol and shut up.


You can't answer the questions and come back with bull$hit.

That shows how stupid you are. I know your kind, a pussy with a big mouth that can't back it up.

jump to more conclusions knowing nothing, you fool.

You are to stupid to talk to.

Typical dumb****crat.

[infwsdm]

I'll have BC get you a tissue!

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by infwsdm

Originally posted by hvac r us 2

Originally posted by infwsdm

Originally posted by hvac r us 2
Infwsdm

You can take your condescending tone directed at me and shove it.

Bush is an idiot; I am just trying to decide if Kerry is a bigger idiot. The only person that has said anything logical about this election has been Rob (thanks Rob).

If you can’t come up with anything Bush has done wrong on your own without any help from me, you are the one that needs to be better educated.


If you took it as condescending to you then you are an idiot and can go f@#$ yourself. How'd that be?

If you want to run your trap and can't back it up then you can go F@#$ yourself.

You are the idiot!!!

you dumb****


Get lost jerk off, I can back up facts all day…all you can do is name-calling.

You’re not going to listen to anybody’s opinion other than your own anyhow, why waste my breath.

In your world you may be a big deal, in my world you’re about as much trouble as a cloudy day.

I know your type, big and bad when nobody can see you. Cower like a little girl face-to-face…go take a Midol and shut up.


You can't answer the questions and come back with bull$hit.

That shows how stupid you are. I know your kind, a pussy with a big mouth that can't back it up.

jump to more conclusions knowing nothing, you fool.

You are to stupid to talk to.

Typical dumb****crat.


Your funny, if you want to debate politics without the name calling...I'm down for that, would actually enjoy it.

But if its going to turn into a childish game, I just dont have the time.

[infwsdm]

I'm not the one who came here with the 'go shove it' comments.

You had a list of questions to answer, but instead you wanted to start an argument.

now I am not interested in what you have to say because I already know how you think.

have a good day

[Senior Tech]

UH OH.....I hear the Boss's footsteps...coming this way...

[remember]

hvacrus2

don't get lost in inferior wisdoms BS.
all of us looking on,without a grudge, can tell he is full of it with no real clue of his own except what rush tells him.


what I thought was really interesting about the debate is that ,supposedly the content and the editing/cuts went out differently depending on which venue you were watching it from.say fox vs. pbs.

there pseudo live things now where what is supposedly live but actually has a delay,(which can be manipulated),is going to further neuter the debate game.

[rob10]

Do you view everything in life through a fog of conspiracy?

[hvac r us 2]

Originally posted by infwsdm
I'm not the one who came here with the 'go shove it' comments.

You had a list of questions to answer, but instead you wanted to start an argument.

now I am not interested in what you have to say because I already know how you think.

have a good day

Look back at your posts infwsdm, you were the one who started with...

"it would help if you payed attention"
"you need more education" and
"your talking out your ass"

My attack was only directed at Bush, yours was directed at me.

No you dont know how I think...I will at least listen to an opposing view, will you?

I think one thing we can agree on is that politics is an explosive subject...that and religion.

[Boss]

discuss, yes
name calling, insults, flames == closed threads