Goodman

[phantom]

hey ya'll. What do you think of the Goodman line HVAC equipment? Just how good is it versus the big names?

[chucko615]

Do a search on Goodman here. You'll get opinions from both sides of the fence.

[mattm]

A crappy install will cause any system to fail prematurly regardless of the brand. If a Goodman is installed properly and maintained it will do just fine. I am not sucking up to Robo.

[Diceman]

I never heard of it, is it new?

[thehumid1]

I think they are assembled in Texas by illegal aliens with bogus SS#'s. The electrical parts are all made in Mexico by Mexican nationals so the switches usually work if you tap them with a hammer. I think they use rebuilt compressors though...I heard they outsource bad compressors to India where they are welded open,rebuilt, welded back closed(all for a cost of about $3.35) and then installed in these brand new goodman systems. Again, I am not sure of any of this it is just what I heard but I think they sell them on ebay so I tend to believe anything a mfr would just sell to the general public without a care how it was going to be installed would probably be of that quality.

[Diceman]

Maybe he means Gooman........
Only sold on E-bay and to guys without teeth and lots of duct tape who work out of station wagons.

[Yuma]

Originally posted by mattm
A crappy install will cause any system to fail prematurly regardless of the brand. If a Goodman is installed properly and maintained it will do just fine. I am not sucking up to Robo.

I'll agree to this statment.. We have large number of Goodman units (packages) out here and they are NO WORSE than any other brand. If your a tech you learn what breaks on each brand. Tranes, Rheems, Goodman, Carrier..... You name it.

As to thehumid1's statement; that means more work for us tech's and more jobs being created here and not going over-seas or outof the country.... :D

Yuma

[Green Mountain]

[i]
As to thehumid1's statement; that means more work for us tech's and more jobs being created here and not going over-seas or outof the country.... :D

Yuma [/B]

Yeah! I'm going down to Mexico and work on some air conditioning equipment. See how they like having a greengo going down there and taking their work. (I might do some scuba diving while I am there too. :D)

[Edited by benncool on 09-23-2004 at 01:37 PM]

[troyorr]

thehumid1, how do you weld something open? The only way I've ever been able to weld open is when I don't move the rod fast enough and it blows through the parent metal.I heard that every other manufacturer sends their warrenty returns to Goodman and they just wipe them down with a wet rag and use them to build Goodman products.

[RoBoTeq]

Say what you will, make up anything you like. The truth is that Goodman is the "ONLY" manufacturer of HVAC equipment that manufactures completely in the United States of America in one of three factories.

Houston, Texas
Fayetteville, Tennessee
Dayton, Tennessee

Every component is brand new.

It is amazing that someone would make degrading remarks about the thousands of Americans that are employed by Goodman while every other brand on the market has taken their operations to other countries.

[Boiling Point]

Good point Robo - like Matt and Yuma say - a quality tech is the key to a efficent running system.

[Yuma]

Originally posted by benncool
Yeah! I'm going down to Mexico and work on some air conditioning equipment. See how they like having a greengo going down there and taking their work. (I might do some scuba diving while I am there too. :D)

You'll need to have your papers in order!!! You'll be a dryback..


Yuma,

[honglo]

Yuma,
The money you make on the AC down there probably wouldn't buy you the air in your scuba tanks!

[thehumid1]

Well are those made in mexico stickers on the contactors printed in the U.S. too? I wonder why they do that since:

that Goodman is the "ONLY" manufacturer of HVAC equipment that manufactures completely in the United States of America in one of three factories.


Anyway I actually like Goodman just not the fact their equipment seems to be able to anyone with a pick-up or a hatchback for that matter.

[frozensolid]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Say what you will, make up anything you like. The truth is that Goodman is the "ONLY" manufacturer of HVAC equipment that manufactures completely in the United States of America in one of three factories.

Houston, Texas
Fayetteville, Tennessee
Dayton, Tennessee

Every component is brand new.

It is amazing that someone would make degrading remarks about the thousands of Americans that are employed by Goodman while every other brand on the market has taken their operations to other countries.

Those remarks have nothing to do with the people building Goodman. It says more about the standards of the managers leading the company.

Building things in the USA used to mean quality. It is sad when all we build now are Goodmans. Robo help Goodman raise the bar a couple of notches, do it for America.

[RoBoTeq]

Anyone who badmouths the quality of Goodman in comparison to other brands either has not seen Goodman equipment in a couple of years or has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to HVAC equipment.

Goodman does not manufacture contactors or relays, they manufacture finished HVAC component products. If you want to get into a spitting battle over semantics you'd best check out the compressors that are in Carriers York and Trane.

Of course, only a Democrat would alter the definition of the term "manufactured" to try to make a point.

[Senior Tech]

Phantom.....sounds like someone is playing games...

[honglo]

Just in case a Goodman "rep" is watching, I have one for you. Put the capacitors through a hole into the condenser cavity pointing towards the compressor. (Kind of like Rheem.) It would be below the blade and wouldn't hit it. That way the capacitor would get good air flow around it and might NOT blow up so much.

This might be why Goodman units are so prone to blow them because they are (cooped up) inside that control panel.

[troyorr]

Capacitors are inside the cabinets on Carrier, Bryant, Payne, Tempstar, etc. They also experience numerous "swoolen" and failed capacitors.

[honglo]

I just am trying to come to a conclusion as to why capacitors blow up like they do. I hear it is because they get too hot and blow. Why do they get too hot? No one seems to know exactly why this happens.
You got any clues?

[dash]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Anyone who badmouths the quality of Goodman in comparison to other brands either has not seen Goodman equipment in a couple of years or has no clue what they are talking about when it comes to HVAC equipment.


So you are saying,other than the past couple of years, it was not of good quality?LOL

Every brand that gets bashed ,includes history in the bashing.

People still taking about models that that brand no longer makes,just comes with the territory.Some going back to 15 or 20 years ago.

[davidr]

RoBo makes an excellent point. The same guys who bash Goodman are usually the same ones that will defend Carrier & Trane to the bitter end.All the while being done dirty by these manufacturers. As has been stated before it is all about the install. The ductwork has to deliver the BTU's. I have seen 10 SEER Goodmans operate more efficently than 14SEER Carriers in the field.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq

Of course, only a Democrat would alter the definition of the term "manufactured" to try to make a point.
Ya mean like how the Bush administration tired to reclassify jobs at McDonalds and the like from service into manufacturing? Cause everyone knows Mfgs jobs make more of an impact in the economy....so....the guys in Washington now figgered, "Hey in reality they are manufacuting hamburgers...aren't they???"
No joke, they did that to improve the dismal job growth the last 3 years......Robo brought it up so I had to inform him on the matter:D

[RoBoTeq]

Thank you Dice for that informed and enlightening commentary. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

A capacitor is like a fast paced battery. It momentarily stores a high capacity of energy, letting it build up to the designed higher voltage, then releases that higher capavity energy in a burst.

If more energy is driven into a capacitor then it is able to release the capacitor itself becomes overcharged. The energy needs to go somewhere fast. It usually swells the capacitor casing thus shorting out the in/out sections so that the capacitor stops functioning. In more extreme energy bursts, the capacitor will actually split apart, or "explode".

I loved having to replace the capacitors that were slid into openings exactly the size of the capacitor. Getting them out when they swelled is a real pain. There are a few bad ones still in units with a new one set beside it in the cabinet.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Thank you Dice for that informed and enlightening commentary. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.


Just keeping it real for ya......no problem...:D