The Road To Failure

[royc]

Very interesting read...also read part 2


http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0%2C13743%2C1303294%2C00.html

[bootlen]

Hey, roy. Here's another site from whence you can get some info for posts. Pretty much lines up with everything else you post.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/Rhymes.html

[royc]

Dear Mr. Bootlen.

I post articles in ARP because it promotes discussions with others about what is happening around us. I dont always agree with all thats in those articles, but never the less post them as a point of discussions, and are germain to our times.

The one thing that I have learned in the sixty years on this earth is to respect others. I may not always agree with your opinion or ideaology, but I respect your right to have them.

I have never attacked you or others in here in a personal manner, or said anything that could be considered offensive.
The ad hominin attacks from you and others in here are destructive and serve no purpose exept to show imaturity. If you want to convince others that your ideas have merit you dont do it by attacking them, you do it thru reasoning.

There are all kinds of nationalitys on this planet, all with different religious backgrounds, opinions and experiences, but the one thing that we all should and can agree on, is the golden rule.."Treat others as you would want them to treat you".

God bless.

Roy

[market-tech]

Some people will believe anything because it is in print or on CNN.

[RoBoTeq]

Hey Roy....back up a step. It's all good. Take a look at how we are all addressed by those who don't agree with us here. This is the Internet. We cannot express ourselves with voice and expression so inusults come out totally flat here. That's not a problem, just something to get used to.

Hell, to listen to some of us banter you'd think we would kill each other in person. In reality many of us have met in person and to my knowledge no one has been hurt :D

Think of it this way;

If you disagree with someones political opinions the only way to really get that across is to say something like; "what a stupid, liberal jackass!" Now, that would be inapropriate in person because there are other ways to express ones self in person. But here on the Net it does not have the same rough meaning. It's not even really personal, just a way of saying; "I respectfully disagree with you."

[ozone drone]

Roy ...once you're here awhile you'll see that when James rips you a new one....he'll finish the job with some venom.
bootlen on the other hand will rip you a new one, then extend the olive branch and some salve. What Robo says is true too. Flat words on a screen can be misinterpreted as far as sarcasm and seriousness. By foaming at the mouth a little, you help reduce the chance of being misunderstood.
You're right about this area being less than civil, but it can be fun if you don't take anything serious enough to raise your pulse or lose sleep over. Just consider the source and shrug your shoulders.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by royc
Dear Mr. Bootlen.

I post articles in ARP because it promotes discussions with others about what is happening around us. I dont always agree with all thats in those articles, but never the less post them as a point of discussions, and are germain to our times.

The one thing that I have learned in the sixty years on this earth is to respect others. I may not always agree with your opinion or ideaology, but I respect your right to have them.

I have never attacked you or others in here in a personal manner, or said anything that could be considered offensive.
The ad hominin attacks from you and others in here are destructive and serve no purpose exept to show imaturity. If you want to convince others that your ideas have merit you dont do it by attacking them, you do it thru reasoning.

There are all kinds of nationalitys on this planet, all with different religious backgrounds, opinions and experiences, but the one thing that we all should and can agree on, is the golden rule.."Treat others as you would want them to treat you".

God bless.

Roy

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If you have been hurt by my posts, I hereby offer my apologies.

But one thing I will always try to stick to...there is only one truth. Anything else is a lie. Just posting materials that purport to be truth but are not lends nothing to good discussion. GOOD discussion requires truth. Opinions are acceptable but statements offered as fact must, I repeat, must, be true regardless of opinion. Otherwise, very poor conclusions can be drawn. Witness to that is the poor intelligence leading to the war in Iraq. Lots of opinions from intelligence sources but few based on truth. They were, however, presented as truth and look where we are. I'm not talking about the war itself. Just the divisiveness in our nation over why we are there.

Bottom line...if you have an opinion, it is welcome as long as you state it as opinion. Statements of declaration purporting to be truth and are not but are someone's opinion should not be tolerated. JMHO!

[Edited by bootlen on 09-20-2004 at 11:45 AM]

[ozone drone]

booty....alot of people confuse facts with opinion. Usually we see what we believe to be facts and what others believe are opinions. I've found that three people can observe the same event and you'll get three different opinions on what "really happened".

For instance those experiments where they stage a fake robbery in front of a classroom full of people. When asked to describe the offender and what he/she was wearing, you'll get responses all over the map. Were those witnesses lying? No, they just reported what they thought they saw.

Sometimes your point of view determines what your facts are.
To us a "minuteman" in our revolution was a patriot. To the English and Canadians the minuteman was a rebel. Did either side lie? no.

Is it a fact water is wet? ... sometimes. it's still H2O when it's in vapor form or frozen ...but it isn't "wet"
Some facts can't be proven.. you have to base your religious beliefs on faith ...that's why they call it faith.

[bootlen]

Good point, OD. But I think I can stand my stated ground on an issue by issue basis. What I'm saying is, if we make a statement and declare it as absolute truth, there can be no room for opinion for it to hold true. The truth stands all by itself with or without our opinion and with or without our belief of it.

[royc]

The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple." - Oscar Wilde

[RoBoTeq]

I gotta go up against you on this one bootlen, the world is mostly grey and rarely black or white.

[caosesvida]

OD thats the way I see it too.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
I gotta go up against you on this one bootlen, the world is mostly grey and rarely black or white.

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It's grey because we are tolerant of the things we should not tolerate.

One day real soon, there will be no more grey. Libs will definitely not like it here then. Neither will most conservatives.

[market-tech]

I would have to agree with Bootlen here. Truth is truth. The black and white delineation of truth and lie, good and evil or however you want to look at it, has been turned gray. It has happened over many years of "a little bit here and a little bit there". We have been desensatized by television, the liberalization of morals and liberal judges slowly destroying our country one chunk at a time. Truth is still truth and a lie is still a lie.

[ozone drone]

There's always been gray areas.

Thou Shalt Not Steal

Yet the thief on the cross next to Jesus is the only person we know of who was promised a place in heaven. So apparently, even God makes exceptions.

What's the bigger sin , to steal a loaf of bread to feed a hungry child or let her go hungry?

It is a narrow mind that can't see the need for common sense in administering justice. That's why they put 12 people on a jury.

When I was a cop in the air force, I was working in the pass and I.D. office when a 3 star general's wife found an envelope with $40.00 in it and brought it in. I was busy with another customer and she handed the envelope to a co-worker. As she was leaving she stopped at the door and said. "I'm General Ingelido's wife, let me know if someone claims it". I looked up from what I was doing and we locked eyes. A week later she called our Captain and asked if anyone claimed the money. Captain asks "what money?".

She came in the the security police office and they asked her who she gave the money to. There was a board with pictures of all of the personnel in the squadron. She looked it over and points to my picture.

Great! I'm an e-4 and a 3 stars wife just accused me of stealing $40.00 dollars. At that time I was making a whopping $160.00 per month. I get called into a small interrogation office and was handed a statement of charges that said I had pocketed the $40.00. I denied knowing anything about $40.00. "How do you know it was $40.00?!! they asked. Because that's the amount stated in the charges I just read.

My bosses just KNEW I was guilty, after all why would a 3 star general's wife lie? An eye witness. I volunteered to take a lie detector test. When my bosses asked my 2 coworkers (one was an E-6) if they would take a lie detector test, they confessed that they each pocketed $20.00.

That incident taught me eye witnesses can be wrong. Why she picked my picture out, I don't know, probably because we locked eyes as she was leaving. I was busy with someone else and only remembered what she said when she stopped at the door. I didn't know about the money till I read the charges.

[market-tech]

O D,
The thief on cross was promised a place in heaven because he was forgiven by Christ for what he had done, not because God turns a blind eye to sin.
Re: Stealing a loaf of bread to feed a child, it is still stealing. Would I do it if I had to, of course, but it is still stealing.
Right and wrong are black and right, man decides what is acceptable in society and in his or her own life. A little lie to protect someones feelings is accepted but it is still a lie.