come on people show your support

[woods mech]

There are less than two months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States.



The man elected will be the president of ALL Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans.



To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice.



It's time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.



If you support the policies and character of President George W. Bush, please drive with your headlights 'ON' during the day.





If you support John Kerry, please drive with your headlights 'OFF' at night.



Thank you for your cooperation.



PS: Those supporting George W. Bush should avoid driving at night in consideration of those supporting John Kerry.

[infwsdm]

:DLOL

[James 3528]

Damn that was good.

[caosesvida]

So all alaskans are democrats?

[ozone drone]

Woods is only trying to even the playing field by showing democrats what it's like driving around with your head up your ass.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by woods mech
There are less than two months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States.
The man elected will be the president of ALL Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans.

To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice.
It's time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.


“Four years ago, Bush campaigned on a promise to bring people together, insisting that he could work with Democrats and Republicans to forge a partnership for the American people”. He lied then as he is now and the American people (except right-wingers driving with their lignts on in the day) don't believe him.

[James 3528]

He underestimated how dumb people like you are.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by James 3528
He underestimated how dumb people like you are. James its dark turn your lights off.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by James 3528
He underestimated how dumb people like you are. James its dark turn your lights off.

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Well, ladies & gents. Here's your proof. Johnnie boy posted at 10:09 A.M. and he thinks it's dark.

Open your eyes, johnnie. You just might get a clue!

[woods mech]

I don't know john, He has the most diverse cabinet in history the first black national security advisor, the first black secretary of state, He has extended the olive branch time and again to the bloated senator from massachusetts only to be stabbed again and again in the back by Ted Kennedy. He has liberated two nations which all you libs said could never be done. He has republicans from the liberals to the conservative who supported him at the convention and even has liberal democrats who campaign for him. Sounds like he has united people. Your god John F'in Kerry has done nothing but lie, flip flop, and given us nothing as to his plan for this country. Kerry made his weak vietnam service his center piece in his campaign which we found out was less than honorable. Now it turns out he wasn't even honorably discharged from the Navy until 2001. This means he recieved an Other than Honorable discharge when he left the reserves and had to apply for it to be changed later. Also he violated the UCMJ when he gave aid and comfort to the viet cong in the early 70's. If he is such a great war hero why hasn't he released his record? Bush has released all his records but you libs still won't let it go. You have no shame.

W04

[RoBoTeq]

I have yet to see one credible thing that President Bush has "lied" about. Now, I am referring to the proper definition of a lie, which is to "knowingly" say something that is not true.

Let's see; "I did not have sex with that woman" would be a good example of a lie.

Of course, changing the definitions of terms and wordage has become quite the norm with Democrats in recent years.

[bootlen]

Hey Robo. They're still struggling with the definition of "is". Let's not confuse them with those long 3-letter words like "lie". ;)

[maintmankc]

"I have yet to see one credible thing that President Bush has "lied" about."

we have liberated Iraq.
well heres lie number one or maybe half truth, we liberatd them from saddam (ummm, who we incidentally helped put into power) but we put in a military dictatorship, so basically its a wash.

"no child left behind"
not that I like social programs anyway but he promised huge things with the NCLB but has done nothing. so yep that constitutes as a lie.

during the 200 election campaigns bush said that "the federal government should not interfere with the medical marijuana policies of the several states"

damn another lie, as he closed down all medical marijuana facilities allowed by the states.which by the way as policy is wrong because of the 12th amendment, leaving rights not guaranteed by the constitution left to the states.


what about the fedral deficit, and his promises there well have a lookie here http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

since Bush took office unemployment rates have been on the rise, and social security funds have been falling where the hell did his "lockbox" go.he has tried to bring religion to the forefront of government, and while I am a christian don't feel that religion belongs in government as it is to easy to take the bible out of context and make it mean anything, and that without even looking at the fact that allowing christianity sets a precedent that would allow any other religion in.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by maintmankc
"I have yet to see one credible thing that President Bush has "lied" about."

we have liberated Iraq.
well heres lie number one or maybe half truth, we liberatd them from saddam (ummm, who we incidentally helped put into power) but we put in a military dictatorship, so basically its a wash.

"no child left behind"
not that I like social programs anyway but he promised huge things with the NCLB but has done nothing. so yep that constitutes as a lie.

during the 200 election campaigns bush said that "the federal government should not interfere with the medical marijuana policies of the several states"

damn another lie, as he closed down all medical marijuana facilities allowed by the states.which by the way as policy is wrong because of the 12th amendment, leaving rights not guaranteed by the constitution left to the states.


what about the fedral deficit, and his promises there well have a lookie here http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

since Bush took office unemployment rates have been on the rise, and social security funds have been falling where the hell did his "lockbox" go.he has tried to bring religion to the forefront of government, and while I am a christian don't feel that religion belongs in government as it is to easy to take the bible out of context and make it mean anything, and that without even looking at the fact that allowing christianity sets a precedent that would allow any other religion in.


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Inaccurate, therefore irrelevant.

[maintmankc]

point put something thats inaccurate

[bootlen]

"I have yet to see one credible thing that President Bush has "lied" about."

we have liberated Iraq.
well heres lie number one or maybe half truth, we liberatd them from saddam (ummm, who we incidentally helped put into power) but we put in a military dictatorship, so basically its a wash.
*(You need to bone up on the new found liberties currently enjoyed by Iraqis.)

"no child left behind"
not that I like social programs anyway but he promised huge things with the NCLB but has done nothing. so yep that constitutes as a lie.
*(You need to look up the correct definition of "lie". But before you do, maybe you need to finish your lessons on "is". Don't want to burden your mind.)

during the 200 election campaigns bush said that "the federal government should not interfere with the medical marijuana policies of the several states"

damn another lie, as he closed down all medical marijuana facilities allowed by the states.which by the way as policy is wrong because of the 12th amendment, leaving rights not guaranteed by the constitution left to the states.
*(Laws call for strict control and testing of druges sold for prescription. Takes a little time to get it all through the already existing red tape created by dems/libs.)


what about the fedral deficit, and his promises there well have a lookie here http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
*(What were his promises? One thing at a time. 9-11 happened AFTER the election.))

since Bush took office unemployment rates have been on the rise,
*(Totally false statement.)

and social security funds have been falling
*(Due to baby-boomers retiring.)

where the hell did his "lockbox" go.he has tried to bring religion to the forefront of government, and while I am a christian don't feel that religion belongs in government as it is to easy to take the bible out of context and make it mean anything, and that without even looking at the fact that allowing christianity sets a precedent that would allow any other religion in.
*( If you are indeed a Christian, you should have no problem with that...which brings to mind another question.)

[motorboy1]

Originally posted by maintmankc
point put something thats inaccurate

You typed "put" instead of "out" in this post. Other than that, your last post was totally accurate, therefore, relevant.

As to the definition of a lie, here's one for you. It's called lying by omission. Something the shrub and Co. are very good at doing. Lying by omission - only telling a partial truth to suit your own ends when if you told the "whole, complete" truth your own ends may not succeed. Like if the Bush administration would have brought ALL the evidence to bear in front of the American people about the vote to go to war with Iraq nobody would have voted for war. They had a ton of information that disputed all the reasons "they" wanted war but they SELECTED only the evidence that would support their own ends. Sure sounds like lying by omission to me. I'm sure you all can think of other examples where the shrub has lied by omission.

Bush and Co. What a lying mess!!!

[bootlen]

Motorboy is a poor reader also...probably due to his brain damage.

[motorboy1]

Originally posted by bootlen
Motorboy is a poor reader also...probably due to his brain damage.

Inaccurate, therefore irrelevant. As usual.

[infwsdm]

Hey motormouth, why are you off your meds?

[acmanko]

Bush lied when he said he was a leader, he has divided more then lead.

[acmanko]

He lied about creating jobs, unless you live in India or China.

[James 3528]

You have a job? Yes, you do. I think the unemployment rate is around 5%.


So why don't you shut the f*** up?

[maintmankc]

"*(You need to bone up on the new found liberties currently enjoyed by Iraqis.)"
sure liberties like money being forced upon Iraqis for their guns, through forced "gun buyback" programs and military censorship of the news, I am not the one who needs to bone up I am afraid.

"*(You need to look up the correct definition of "lie". But before you do, maybe you need to finish your lessons on "is". Don't want to burden your mind.)"
yep this one is a burden as apparently you agree because you pointed out absolutely nothing. the lie is this Bush promised funding for NCLB evn claimed it was there in the state of the union address, but he has given nothing but empty talk, zero action.

"*(Laws call for strict control and testing of druges sold for prescription. Takes a little time to get it all through the already existing red tape created by dems/libs.)"
correct but inaccurate (therefor invalid)under clinton, who happens to be a dem/lib medical marijuan research and supply was in full swing by states who allowed it, california and oregon are 2 examples, and unhindered by the DEA, recently under bush's administration this has not been the case.
http://www.doctordeluca.com/Library/WOD/ResearchersSueDEA&NidaReMedMJ04.htm
http://safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1398
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/9588051.htm
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/t/kthompson/kthompson022703.htm
http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr072004.html


"What were his promises? One thing at a time. 9-11 happened AFTER the election.))"
fine one thing at a time, 9-11 happened so he attacked saddam, cut taxes, and proceeded to increase govt. spending habits, I don't wonder why the national debt is out of control, I wonder why conservatives defend this type of thing when it is clearly a financial nightmare. if you buy a house and then take a minimum wage joband then proceed to rack up huge credit card bills then you will be in debt and it will grow out of control.Bush cut governments income and increased spending while we were already overdrawn, do the math.so which ine thing should we start with.

"(Totally false statement.)"
no it is a totally accurate statement here is the table from the us dept. of labor http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

"(Due to baby-boomers retiring.)"
no wrong again, now the flap here is that bush is not the only one to blame every president, johnson forward to today has used social security funds for unrelated programs.the baby boomers put their money into social security just like you are now, the way social security was designed set things up so that the genaration working now funded the generation in retirement, population and wage increases should have guaranteed enough money for an efficient system but bad policies for years have corrupted it.The reason I bring it up under bush is that he promised a lockbox on social securit funds to stop bad spending but has used social security funds to protect pharmaceutical companies profits, thats where the money to prosecute and investigate the reimpotation of prescription drugs come from, he also has allowed welfar to continue to siphon off of social security( which by the way is another broken promise, because we have had no welfare reform under bush).

"( If you are indeed a Christian, you should have no problem with that...which brings to mind another question.)"
wrong again, all christians should have a problem with religion in the whitehouse, not because christianity in the whitehouse is a bad thing but because the constitution does not allow the government to discriminate which religion would be allowed in, so it would either be no religion or all religion. If we allow christianity into the whitehouse the government may only recognize it as religion(not christianity) and that would open the door (by setting a precedent)for any and/or all religion to create religous policy.not a road any christian or any person really wants to go down, if they think about it.

[acmanko]

Originally posted by James 3528
You have a job? Yes, you do. I think the unemployment rate is around 5%.


So why don't you shut the f*** up? would you like to hire me and pay me i and 1/2 what I get now. just think we could have some hellish coffee breaks, and one more Item, I would want relocation expenses upfront

[rob10]

Is probably drinking and losing money gambling on the boats again!!

[RoBoTeq]

Well, a whole page of posts since I last asked for one incident that can cause the President to be called a liar. So far there are a lot of accusations of things the President was shooting for maybe not coming about the way we would have liked them to, but certainly nothing in the past page of posts gives any indication that President Bush deliberately made any statement that he knew was false.

The problem here is that libbies just don't know what they are talking about. They pick up on key words and phrases and run with them even though they have no clue what it is they are even saying.

If your mom told you she was taking you to a movie and a washed out road prevented you from actually getting to that movie kept it from happening; your mom did not "lie" to you. Even though what your mom told you was going to happen did not happen, it was not a lie.

Now; if your mom told you she was taking you to a movie just to get you into the car so she could take you to the doctors for your next prescription of Ritalyn, then that would be a lie.

[caosesvida]

wow I am confused now, bootlen are you saying that bush lied? or am I reading something wrong there?

[James 3528]

Originally posted by acmanko

Originally posted by James 3528
You have a job? Yes, you do. I think the unemployment rate is around 5%.


So why don't you shut the f*** up? would you like to hire me and pay me i and 1/2 what I get now. just think we could have some hellish coffee breaks, and one more Item, I would want relocation expenses upfront

I could not hire you because you have a writing and comprehension problem. Not to mention you're not very smart and you drink too much.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by caosesvida
wow I am confused now, bootlen are you saying that bush lied? or am I reading something wrong there?

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You're reading something wrong here.

[maintmankc]

"The problem here is that libbies just don't know what they are talking about."

In every sate of the union address bush has mentioned that the unemployment rates are getting better that we have more and more people working everyday, but that is a complete falsehood, and the numbers from our governments own dept. of labor internet resource are linked in my post.

The others I give you are not lies but they are omissions of the truth that his speech makers, and republican radio hosts, deftly gloss over.So I will retract that they are not blatanly lies(except for the unemployment rates) but why weren't they figured into the budget before his taxcuts, and why has the government grown when he promised it would be shrinking,I don't condemn him if he has valid reasons but as an employee of the people he owes an explanation. on the same note liberals do tend to gloss over as much of the truth as the conservatives just on the other side of the spectrum.

[market-tech]

I keep asking for documentation, proof, source, whatever you want to call it. It's still, Bush is a liar, Bush ruined the country, Bush caused unemployment, Bush caused hurricanes.

And on the other side, Kerry good, he never lies, he'll save the world, he'll get us out of Iraq, blah blah blah!

Regarding documentation, just because some left wing journalist writes an article, doesn't mean it is true, or false for that matter.

[RoBoTeq]

It is not a falsehood that more Americans have jobs each year. What is a bit manipulative is the amount of new jobs has not reached the goals that were set by President Bush.

So, while President Bush is using a statistical tactic of diversion, he is not lying.

Statistical tactics of diversion is a most common tool used by all politicians. By the very definition of politician they all use manipulative rationale to make what they are doing seem positive. Again, this is not lying.

[maintmankc]

"And on the other side, Kerry good, he never lies, he'll save the world, he'll get us out of Iraq, blah blah blah!"
whoa now captain steubing don't put words into my mouth I haven't said anything referring to kerry as being good or never lying or saving the world, don't worry my net casts far and party lines mean nothing as I am niether democrat nor republican.


"Regarding documentation, just because some left wing journalist writes an article, doesn't mean it is true, or false for that matter."
I have given sources and not neccesarily "from some left wing journalist". I dare you to give a source that can refute what I have posted, you want all this and I give it but you come back and post things like your sources are bad,with nothing to back it up, so come on step up to the plate show me know what you are talking about because so far all I hear is bleating.

[acmanko]

The reason a few more get jobs each year is cause a lot more lose their job each year.

[maintmankc]

"Statistical tactics of diversion is a most common tool used by all politicians. By the very definition of politician they all use manipulative rationale to make what they are doing seem positive. Again, this is not lying."

I agree but Bush clearly states that "unemployment rates are down" and they are not, I am sorry but this ranks as falsehood, I mean I guess that throu some goofing of the numbers one could come up with a way to say it seems different but that still does not change the fact that the numbers as a whole are up and in a completely opposite way than bush has refferred to in the past 2 state of the union addresses and the first one also if I am not mistaken(though I may be, but hey it was 3 years ago and I am not rereading it now). you wanna talk about other politicians lemme know who I am ready, willing and able I am currently and have been an admin at a political website for a long time now this isn't a new study for me, and as these "debates" go on I think you will find that I do not fall into any political category and try to be as honest as I can with the information that I find.

[acmanko]

after six months of drawing your pennies and your funds run out you become as the deficit, counted for statistical purposes but otherwise forgotten.

[market-tech]

maintmankc,
I guess I should have been more specific in who I was directing that toward. I saw your post with links to specific areas but to be honest, have not looked at them yet. If you go back through this thread and others, you'll see many references to "Bush Lied, Bush this Bush that", but no specific debateable (sp?) facts or sources etc. It were those folks my post was pointed toward.

[maintmankc]

sorry about that