Engineers

[coolwhip]

Why is it thet we get so few if any desigh engineers from ,oh..lets say trane, carrier, lennox on this site. I would like to talk to some of these people for I have several thousand questions for them. Are they sworn to a secret oath? Are they members on this site and simply dont mention it? I see sales reps, service techs, installers, mech. contractors, pipe fitters, but no freakin engineers. What say you?

[Carnak]

There is one, still registered, just don't see him here much these days

[condenseddave]

By nature of their job, they are required to wear what is called a "BS Dosimeter", and everytime they come here, and see all of their equipment getting picked on by guys that can't read installation instructions, their BS Dosimeters peg, and they have to log off. It's that simple.

Who'd want to listen to their life's work getting run down all the time? And, for the most part, the bashing c`omes from those who either don't know better, or don't want to know better.

[condenseddave]

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[espock]

Engineers in the past are first in-line to test their product (new airplane for example). Now they are last cauz they know the quality.

Not that they did't do good design, it's the product of sale/marketing pressure to get it out of the door before it is ready plus off-shore low-qual production line.

[midhvac]

Dave's right about the bashing. If the engineers showed up here, they'd be stoned to death before the rest of us could learn anything.

I'd also like to see more factory tech reps here, but who in their right mind would voluntarily subject themselves to that kind of abuse?

Even if they survived the gauntlet here, their employers would become angry with them if they said one word they didn't like, so their answers would probably be "guarded responses."

About the only way this could work is if it was somehow moderated by someone here, so the flames and inappropriate questions and responses could be filtered out.


[Edited by midhvac on 09-10-2004 at 01:20 PM]

[coolwhip]

Originally posted by condenseddave
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hehehehe!

[gschra11]

Did you ever meet an engineer? I know stereotyping is wrong and perhaps even discriminatory, but the vast majority of them that I have encountered have been arrogrant, anti-social, or both. Granted, they may have a vast amount of knowledge in their head, but most are just on a different level than the rest of us, and when it comes to even a small-talk conversation, the difference is so significant that we can't follow what they say and vice versa. So they just keep to themselves.

[Edited by gschra11 on 09-10-2004 at 01:59 PM]

[harv]

I do so love to raze engineers. I think the wife is convinced that engineer is a cuss word to me. My dealings with them sometimes leaves me still smokin when I get home. I never deal with factory engs. Usaully its mech. design types. You probably dealt with the same type. they are the guys who put several centrifical chillers in a shoe box on the roof of a 10 floor building, and the only way up is a set srairs that are very steep cause they overlooked them in the original design. You gotta love them when they put a 50h/p motor drive on a wall so close to another wall that the door will not open but just a crack.I actually have crawl on hands and knees to get under the door and stand up in the cabinet with my face about 12 inch from 480v. I don't work that hot!I pull the door if it comes to that .I could go on and on but I need to cut them some slack. I suppose I would be nowhere with out them. ya think.

[kim]

If you want to know the life of an engineer, read Dilbert comics. That stuff is soo true.

[RoBoTeq]

All "engineer" means is that one has an engineering degree. There are several on this forum that are engineers that simply don't use the title because it has such a bad feel to it in this industry.

I like the poster that claimed he "used to be" an engineer. What? Did he have a lobotamy to forget what he learned and the college took back his degree?

[coolwhip]

Dilbert is my favorite!

[kim]

There are many "engineers" without a degree too. They just get the title instead of a raise.

[Green Mountain]

There is another site that I read on occassion called "Refrigeration Engineer" http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/ . Condenseddave has posted on it a couple of times.

The funny thing about it is that most of the posters are from England. They talk funny like °C, liter, and km. Also they aren't very socialable to Americans. So it is fun to say things like, "How are you lemmies doing?"

Anyway over there when they say "Engineer" they mean "Technician". When they write "Director" it is equal to our "contractor/owner". When they say "A$$hole" they mean "Engineer."

[bmf]

probably hear from em if they werent afraid of gettin there head ripped off

[kim]

Originally posted by benncool
There is another site that I read on occassion called "Refrigeration Engineer" http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/ . Condenseddave has posted on it a couple of times.

The funny thing about it is that most of the posters are from England. They talk funny like °C, liter, and km. Also they aren't very socialable to Americans. So it is fun to say things like, "How are you lemmies doing?"

Anyway over there when they say "Engineer" they mean "Technician". When they write "Director" it is equal to our "contractor/owner". When they say "A$$hole" they mean "Engineer."
When they say engineer, they mean jouneyman. Every good tech is an engineer.

There are many americans on that site, Prop, Fishy, Gary.

[Green Mountain]

There are many americans on that site, Prop, Fishy, Gary. [/B]

ME !! :D

Actually I email a guy in Israel that is a moderator on ER. I hope you realize I was only jesting about that site.

[prec_mktg]

HVAC manufacturers have engineers? I thought they just bought a compressor/burner from a third company and put it in a box to look like another company's.

[midhvac]

Jeez! This thread has made me realize something. I've been doing this for over 30 years and have never met an hvac design engineer!

What would be the need for me to meet them or speak to them here anyway? The tech reps not only know the design of the equipment, but also how they're assembled, and what we as techs need to know to install and service them. And as someone else mentioned, they're usually going to interface better with us.

[rob10]

Are emotionally immature and/or socially retarded!! :D

[The Penguin]

Benn that would be Limey or limies plureal if you want to be insulting just like I call you guys Yanks

The English like to ask how its going out in the colanies (colany) just to rub it in a little
Cheers The Penguin

[commissioning authority]

I resemble about half of these remarks.

I spent about 20 years as a field service tech and then went into the engineering side.

I moved into the commisssioning because I felt that was the best place to use my experience. Because I have worked on both sides of the table I can find solutions that either side might not see.

I find that about 60% of the problems encountered are field installation problems, 20% equipment problems and 20% design problems.

My job is to make sure that the the owners design INTENT is followed but also call the vfd that isn't accessable hopefully before it gets put in.

I do a complete review of the design looking for mistakes and oversites before a project is normally started.

Sometimes I'm everyones friend by catching a problem before it is a disaster and sometimes i'm no ones friend because I have to call a problem that isn't easy to solve or that wasn't installed according to the spec.

I'm new under this name but have been on hvac-talk off and on for 2 years.

[rubobornot]

Top five Engineer encounters

(1) Had to replace all of the internal insulation in a 15 to RTU because " It was saturated with freon"

(2) Had his wife pushing in the contactor on his own AC unit because he was to cheap to send a service tech out.

(3) Wouldn't let me turn the power off to the multizone unit to service it because " the blower motor shouldn't start and stop more than once a day" ten HP motor.

(4) The chief engineer for the gas company had me plug off 30 RTU's on one roof because the high pressure relief was opening at the meter and the reason was " refrigerant was getting into the natural gas line"

(5) Was told" A suction line accumulator wouldn't help
protect a compressor from a flood back condition because it doesn't work when the compressor is running"

[Green Mountain]

Originally posted by rubobornot
Top five Engineer encounters

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6. Heat tracing the refrigerant lines so they won't freeze in the winter time.

[Green Mountain]

Originally posted by benncool

Originally posted by rubobornot
Top five Engineer encounters

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6. Heat tracing the refrigerant lines so they won't freeze in the winter time. (I didn't actually have to do this. I took the lad aside and asked him if he was absent that day in engineering school?)