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motorboy1
09-09-2004, 12:04 AM
Bush is an embarrassment to the entire planet!
World Wants Bush Out of the White House: Poll
Wed Sep 8, 7:04 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The world wants President Bush (news - web sites) out of the White House, according to a poll released on Wednesday that shows in 30 of 35 countries people preferred Democrat candidate John Kerry (news - web sites).
Kerry was particularly favored in traditionally strong U.S. allies and beat Bush on average by more than a two-to-one margin, 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the University of Maryland, said.
The survey of attitudes around the world contrasts with U.S. polls that have shown the American electorate closely divided and that Bush has been gaining momentum since the Republican convention this month.
Bush launched a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) last year over the objections of many governments, including allies, and the first U.S. pre-emptive war angered many people around the world. Kerry has said he will pursue stronger international alliances if he wins the presidency.
"Only one in five want to see Bush re-elected. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the U.S. president," Steven Kull, director of the university's program on international policy attitudes, said.
The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll of 34,330 people that was conducted mainly in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided.
Asked how the foreign policy of Bush has affected their feelings toward the United States, a majority or plurality of respondents in 30 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while in three countries more respondents said they felt better.
The survey's margin of error was plus or minus 2.3 to 5 percentage points.
George W. Bush - The W stands for WRONG!
sline-dawg
09-09-2004, 12:46 AM
i could give a rats ass what the other countries want for me and my family. now i know we need george w. bush more than ever.. thanks motorboy... oh, when are you going to move out of here ?if you need help packing, let us know.
bobby7388
09-09-2004, 06:40 AM
I wouldn't call a poll of 34,000 people "The Whole World" as it's title.
Do you really care what others may or may not like about America? then why does this so-called all inclusive poll seem so finite to you motorboy?
bootlen
09-09-2004, 07:16 AM
Finite things for finite brains.
That POLL is questionable, as there are FEW STATISTICS quoted, only opinions.
The people in this poll were ALL hostile to FREEDOM and liberty.
I wonder how the poll would have turned out if they had asked those in favor of FREEDOM???
king nothing
09-09-2004, 08:38 AM
I wonder how the people who lost loved ones in the Russian airline bombings would vote in your little "poll". Or maybe they should ask the fathers of the children who were shot in the back as they fled the Russian school. More and more, these bastard terrorists are killing people in other countries. Pretty soon, the world will realize that this is not an American problem. The Russians are crying out that their government should have been able to deal with this and they didn't do enough. Sounds familiar, huh. So Putin has a choice, same choice as our president had. Seek the international community's blessing for justice or go kick some Chechan ass. I'm for the latter, but that's just an opinon from a foreigner.
woods mech
09-09-2004, 08:41 AM
Why would I care what a bunch of dictators and morally corrupt morons living in the 7th century think about this election? That article is reason enough to vote for W. As if I needed another reason to vote for him.
Proud to be an Infadel
bootlen
09-09-2004, 01:06 PM
In answer to your question, "Is the whole world wrong?" Yes, they are.
Edmund Forsthe
09-09-2004, 01:50 PM
in my opinion why would you care what the world thinks, they dont do anything for you except ask for a hand out, its this country that shelters and feed you, if you worry so much of whats outside the borders then move out there and see whats it like
coolprod
09-09-2004, 03:04 PM
My opinion is they want a woossseee in office here because GWB don't take any **** or bow to the United Nations like SkerryKerry would!!
http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/cwm/piss2.gif SkerryKerry and gang!!
In my world, the one that counts for ME.
My vote is for W.
I feel safer with him then some one who changes sides when it fits them.
Thats MY VOTE!
Yuma,
I wonder how much support against terrorism Kerry could get, if he were elected. It would give our allies a chance to change their minds about helping us without losing faces. But I wonder, if they would even help us.
I for one would have considered a democratic candidate if they had offered us one. This election is not Bush verses Kerry. It is Bush supporters verses Bush haters.
James 3528
09-09-2004, 06:15 PM
98% of the people here polled think Motorboy is a dumb a$$. Bush is doing better.
[Edited by James 3528 on 09-09-2004 at 06:33 PM]
rob10
09-09-2004, 06:31 PM
That should tell you that people like yourself belong in a 3rd world nation dodging plague, pestilence, and 50 caliber rounds. Send us a message when you get settled.
woods mech
09-09-2004, 06:35 PM
I doubt that motormouth would have the balls to go to a 3rd world nation.
johnl45
09-11-2004, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by king nothing
I wonder how the people who lost loved ones in the Russian airline bombings would vote in your little "poll". Or maybe they should ask the fathers of the children who were shot in the back as they fled the Russian school. More and more, these bastard terrorists are killing people in other countries. Pretty soon, the world will realize that this is not an American problem. The Russians are crying out that their government should have been able to deal with this and they didn't do enough. Sounds familiar, huh. So Putin has a choice, same choice as our president had. Seek the international community's blessing for justice or go kick some Chechan ass. I'm for the latter, but that's just an opinon from a foreigner. Gee maybe he can help Bush find Bin Laden, he sure isn't having any luck on his own.
rob10
09-11-2004, 11:24 AM
Do you realize what day this is. I put dimwits like you in the same category as the pilots of those planes used on 9-11. Why is it that you give aid and comfort to our enemies by crawling out from beneath your rock?
market-tech
09-11-2004, 08:20 PM
I'm sure the Taliban (whatever is left of them) want Bush out, Al Quada (sp?) want Bush out,Bin Laden wants Bush out, The French and Germans want Bush out. I'm sure they would rather have Flip Flop Kerry in there so whichever way the breeze blows, he will go with it!
I don't agree with Bush 100% of the time, but hell, I don't agree with myself 100% of the time. >) He has done a great job with what he was handed and what has happened since he took office. I feel he is the right man for the job for the next four!!
jongault
09-13-2004, 09:09 PM
if only we had remained good and loyal subjects of the king, the world would love us.
How about those "world loving" Germans eh'? Loved it so much they tried to take it over twice in the last 100 years.
France eh'? Lovable lugs. Go visit Schenectady, NY and visit the site of the French/indian massacre. I guess Napolean loved the world too?
There was a word for people like you during the Revolution,(that despised war that gave birth to this evil nation), that word was TORY.
I do question your patriotism along with every other bottom dweller that calls American troops "occupiers" instead of "Liberators".
You and a few of the other "enlightened" that post here would have been rounded up and executed as traitors during the Revolution.(That war you hate so much)
Name one country that the USA has OCCUPIED since it became a nation. Just one big mouth.
I'll answer for you...ZERO, NADA, NONE!!!!!!!!!!
So now you have a champion in John Kerry? Answer me this, do you believe that American soldiers are baby killers as your champion claims?
Just one nation. Lets see Phillipines, Mexico, bunch of the islands in the Carribean. The occupation of the Philipines is alot like what is going on in Iraq right now.
USA has not been that great to the world throughout its history. Shoot we stoled the entire country. The indians don't count, because they did not beleive in the same God as us.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 12:41 PM
Flunked history and geography, huh, Kim?
Which part did you not agree with? The Phillipines was occupied by the USA during the Spanish American war. It is still being occupied today. There is a book out that says we should have learned about occupying Iraq from the Phillipines occupation.
Every been to Phenix. It is occupied territory. More properly, it was stolen from Mexico. Any Marines out there know about the halls of Montazuma. That is the battle won by Robert E. Lee when we occupied Mexico. We did give part of it back.
You should read history books that have not been sanitized for for shallow sensativities.
jongault
09-14-2004, 01:17 PM
Gee, I must have been absent from school the day they covered the "Conquest of the Phillipines". How long did that "invasion" last?
I do remember something about US troops LIBERATING the Phillipines from the Japanese during WWII.
Mexico??? We are occupying Mexico now? Do you mean California? Ok....they can have it back. Let them listen to Sarandon and company.
I think it's high time that all of you malcontents put on a pilgrim outfit, build some ships, sail away and start a new country. That or return to the nation of your ancestral origin. It is obvious that you despise your current location along with capitalism and the free market. Plenty of socialist utopias out there looking for highly skilled tradesmen. Be a pioneer!
If you were to follow your last point about indians to it's ultimate end, YOU are guilty of tresspassing along with the rest of us. So why are you still here?
I see "America the Beautiful", you see "America the Imperialist oppressor of the working proliteriate".
How do you walk through life each day being so miserable?
johnl45
09-14-2004, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by rob10
Do you realize what day this is. I put dimwits like you in the same category as the pilots of those planes used on 9-11. Why is it that you give aid and comfort to our enemies by crawling out from beneath your rock? Your a little confused a$$hole it's because of the the actions of right-wing nuts that they flew the planes into the building in the first place.
They have taken back Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, They are working on Illinios, Tennessee and Utah right now. They left Florida for the Cubans to annex.
You probably were in class when they talked about the Spanish-American war. That was the one were Hurst said "You produce the story and I will produce the war." Maybe they did not think you could handle the fact that Americans were imperialistic against christians as well as heathens.
BTW a decent study of history will show most experts do not beleive the spanish were responcible for sinking the Maine. It was the old coal fired boiler.
Your man said name one country. I named two. He was saying we are better than Germany and France. I say only in your dreams. But we both left out England, the Greeks, Romans, Eqyptians, Huns, Mongels, etc.
You need to get off your high horse. What makes you think that America is perfect? What makes you think that anybody who realizes America is not perfect would think anyplace else is better? They call us ugly americans because too many people think that their **** don't stink. If America did nothing wrong in the past 200 years it would be a flat out miracle. Admitting the truth is the first step to finding a better way.
If it wasn't for the people trying to do better we would not have any of out modern technology. When the first Ice machine was made, they said the inventor though he could make ice better than God Almighty.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by kim
Which part did you not agree with? The Phillipines was occupied by the USA during the Spanish American war. It is still being occupied today. There is a book out that says we should have learned about occupying Iraq from the Phillipines occupation.
Every been to Phenix. It is occupied territory. More properly, it was stolen from Mexico. Any Marines out there know about the halls of Montazuma. That is the battle won by Robert E. Lee when we occupied Mexico. We did give part of it back.
You should read history books that have not been sanitized for for shallow sensativities.
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Ever been to the Phillipines, Kim? I have. We are not occupying the Phillipines. They are a sovereign nation. Have been since shortly after WWII.
Yep. Been to Phoenix. Didn't need a passport or anything to go there. Know why? Phoenix is part of the USA! Matter of fact, it's the capitol of Arizona, one of the 50 United States! We are indeed occupying Phoenix. That's one of the perqs of being a sovereign nation...you get to occupy your country!
If by "occupied Mexico" you mean that part of what is now NM and AZ, the land was disputed by both sides...therefore whoever kicked the most butt won. That's the way life is. Get used to it. Eventually both agreed that all north of the Rio Grande would be U.S. territory. Most libs don't know this but it remains that way today.
BTW, R.E. Lee didn't contribute that much to the Mexican-American War. It's just where he was first recognized as a credible battle planner. Has nothing to do with sensitivities. Has to do with truth.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 02:11 PM
OKAY. Who said the U.S. is perfect? Kim has stated that someone says the U.S. is perfect.
C'mon, 'fess up. Who says the U.S. is perfect?
OH! Nobody says that . Kim's putting words in peoples' mouths...again!
Now, Kim, we've talked about this, haven't we? Time to mature a little, Kim.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by johnl45
Originally posted by rob10
Do you realize what day this is. I put dimwits like you in the same category as the pilots of those planes used on 9-11. Why is it that you give aid and comfort to our enemies by crawling out from beneath your rock? Your a little confused a$$hole it's because of the the actions of right-wing nuts that they flew the planes into the building in the first place.
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Now here we have the typical lib idea of why people do stupid things and who should be balmed. Harry builds an airliner and it's his fault that Joe flies it into a building. Joe cannot be held responsible. Harry is to blame. Put Harry in prison for building the airliner that Joe used as a weapon.
Johnnie-boy, thanks for the example.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by kim
They have taken back Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, They are working on Illinios, Tennessee and Utah right now. They left Florida for the Cubans to annex.
You probably were in class when they talked about the Spanish-American war. That was the one were Hurst said "You produce the story and I will produce the war." Maybe they did not think you could handle the fact that Americans were imperialistic against christians as well as heathens.
BTW a decent study of history will show most experts do not beleive the spanish were responcible for sinking the Maine. It was the old coal fired boiler.
Your man said name one country. I named two. He was saying we are better than Germany and France. I say only in your dreams. But we both left out England, the Greeks, Romans, Eqyptians, Huns, Mongels, etc.
You need to get off your high horse. What makes you think that America is perfect? What makes you think that anybody who realizes America is not perfect would think anyplace else is better? They call us ugly americans because too many people think that their **** don't stink. If America did nothing wrong in the past 200 years it would be a flat out miracle. Admitting the truth is the first step to finding a better way.
If it wasn't for the people trying to do better we would not have any of out modern technology. When the first Ice machine was made, they said the inventor though he could make ice better than God Almighty.
================================================== ==========Kim, we're talking about events on planet earth...not some planet in another galaxy.
Just because they got here first doesn't matter, does it. The Pope saying that the land belongs to the Spanish doesn't matter either. In your geography book, does it show the thirteen British colonies going all the way to the Pacific Ocean? Might makes right. Drake beat the Spanish navy, so we get to claim all their land. Because we were strong enough to beat the Mexican army, we deserve everything we can steal from them. Same applies to those pesky Indians that kept getting in the way. They should have known they have to file a deed in a European court to be able to own the land they lived on for 1000 years. All of America is occupied land.
Beleive it or not the Phillipines and Mexico are on this planet. We liberated the Philipines from the Japs in WWII. We also liberated the Philipines from the Spanish. Try looking it up on the internet, if your history book was so white-washed.
[Edited by kim on 09-14-2004 at 03:25 PM]
Obviously somebody thinks America is perfect and Bush is the most perfect one amoung us. Anybody that says the war in Iraq could be better is some commie liberal friend of the terrorist who wants nothing more than to see the terrorist take over America.
I beleive it is the neo-McCarthyist that are putting words into people's mouths.
I am just saying the truth. The truth hurts sometimes. Learn to live with it.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by kim
Just because they got here first doesn't matter, does it. The Pope saying that the land belongs to the Spanish doesn't matter either. In your geography book, does it show the thirteen British colonies going all the way to the Pacific Ocean? Might makes right. Drake beat the Spanish navy, so we get to claim all their land. Because we were strong enough to beat the Mexican army, we deserve everything we can steal from them. Same applies to those pesky Indians that kept getting in the way. They should have known they have to file a deal in a European court to be able to own the land they lived on for 1000 years. All of America is occupied land.
Beleive it or not the Phillipines and Mexico are on this planet. We liberated the Philipines from the Japs in WWII. We also liberated the Philipines from the Spanish.
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Well, which is it? Did we "liberate" them or did we "occupy" them? Doesn't work both ways.
That's right, all of America is occupied by the U.S.A. That is the right of a sovereign nation...to occupy its country.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by kim
Obviously somebody thinks America is perfect and Bush is the most perfect one amoung us. Anybody that says the war in Iraq could be better is some commie liberal friend of the terrorist who wants nothing more than to see the terrorist take over America.
I beleive it is the neo-McCarthyist that are putting words into people's mouths.
I am just saying the truth. The truth hurts sometimes. Learn to live with it.
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OK! Who THINKS W and the U.S. is perfect? C'mon. Step up and be honest.
What? Nobody believes W and the U.S. is perfect?
I guess you were mistaken, Kim.
I believe the U.S. is the best nation in existence and Bush is the best man for the 2004 election. Does that mean they are perfect? Not in any language I or my friends speak. Just means they are the best at this place and time. Why choose less than the best?
You think there's a better place? I recommend you move there. You'll change your mind pretty quick.
Never said I was moving. Never said I was not voting for Bush. All I said was America has been just as imperialistic as anybody else. Our nation was founded on imperialism. Want to justify Banana Republics now.
I am tired of being told to support everything American has ever done or leave the country.
Are you flip-flopping on the idea that American soldiers invaded Philipines and stayed after the war was over. We still have a base there. Our ocupation of the Philipines liberated them from a soverign government.
jongault
09-14-2004, 04:47 PM
America is the closest to perfect we can find in this world and everyone knows it.
But the cry babies will never leave. They know they have it better here than anywhere.
bootlen
09-14-2004, 04:47 PM
Look up "occupation" as it pertains to the sense in which you are speaking. Ya might learn something.
jongault
09-14-2004, 05:00 PM
and Germany, and Italy, and England, etc.............................. We maintain a military presence in these places to act as a balance. Remember the Soviet Union, or China, or North Korea?
What military strength do the Phillipinos have? A navy that consists of three canoes with rock catapults?
Were the pilgrims imperialists?
No-one ever said you had to love everything your country does, but the rhetoric used by the "blame America first" crowd borders on treason most of the time and extreme hate the rest of the time.
What is keeping this "imperial power" from crushing the communist dictatorship 90 miles south of Florida?
rob10
09-14-2004, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by kim
Never said I was moving. Never said I was not voting for Bush. All I said was America has been just as imperialistic as anybody else. Our nation was founded on imperialism. Want to justify Banana Republics now.
I am tired of being told to support everything American has ever done or leave the country.
Are you flip-flopping on the idea that American soldiers invaded Philipines and stayed after the war was over. We still have a base there. Our ocupation of the Philipines liberated them from a soverign government. For America to survive and thrive in this century, world dominance is a must on all levels. We are the numero UNO big dog on the block and the world better get on their knees in respect of this fact!!
caosesvida
09-15-2004, 06:18 AM
could it be possibly that the answer lies somewhere in the middle of these two concepts. America is perfect and America in terrible?
coolprod
09-15-2004, 10:57 AM
If you think AMERICA is so terrible, or there should be a happy medium between GOOD America and BAD America!! Think about this, AMERICA has spent BILLIONS If not TRILLIONS in rebuilding, Humanitarian aid, Disaster relief, economic aid and everything else you can think of!! AMERICA has bent over backwards helping damn near every country on this planet with loans, equipment, manpower and then saying they don't need to pay us back because the country couldn't!! Somewhere on HVAC-TALK someone posted that letter from a Canadian that told of what AMERICA has done with NO HELP from ANYBODY!! You say AMERICA is waisting money in Iraq because of the war!! AMERICA is also spending millions in Iraq for rebuilding, Humanitarian aid, and economic aid!!! Not just to buy more bullets or bombs but to help rebuild Iraq!! So anyone telling me that AMERICA is no better than most other country's can KISS MY PIMPLED ASS!! I'm proud of what AMERICA is, and what AMERICA stands for and what AMERICA ever has DONE!! And if some of you had HALF A BRAIN you just might be able to think about that for just 5 flippin sec's !!!
I too beleive America has done much more good than harm. I want to beleive that my ancestors thought they were doing the right thing most of the time, even if it might not have turned out too good.
I do not agree that the world should bow down and thank their lucky stars the guys in the white hats have come to save the day. Outside of the old western movies there are no real good guys. Everybody has some kind of adjenda
coolprod
09-15-2004, 01:41 PM
I too beleive America has done much more good than harm. I want to beleive that my ancestors thought they were doing the right thing most of the time, even if it might not have turned out too good.
What, may I ask, didn't turn out too good?? What is it that you don't like about AMERICA that you would drag her name through the mud?? Indians?? Mexicans?? Japanese?? WHAT??
I do not agree that the world should bow down and thank their lucky stars the guys in the white hats have come to save the day. Outside of the old western movies there are no real good guys. Everybody has some kind of adjenda
I do, I can't even phathom what the world would be like if AMERICA burried it's head in the sand for the last 100 yrs and told everyone "sorry for your luck" !!! We are warried about Abortion in AMERICA, Country's like Iraq with a tyrant like Sadam would have shot the woman for getting pregnant in the first place!! You can call it "occupation" or "Liberation" of whatever you want!!I call it policing!!
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