RUSSIAN SCHOOL

[sline-dawg]

I can't phathom the desperation these people show. Take a school by force (bet that was tough) and kill children (another tough-man act). Do these people have any conscious? If this is how they want to live their lives, then I don't think we should allow them to consume our precious resources. I know we hate them as bad as they hate us, but I pray we would never stoop this low. Is this how religion should be? Kill someone because they don’t believe like you do? Maybe I am unable to see how bad it is for the Islamic people, the persicussion, the misunderstanding. What I see is a hateful people, who will do anything to destroy people who do not believe their way.

[Edmund Forsthe]

and russia just abolish the death penalty. maybe this time they will make an exeption.

[air of honesty]

There is no doubt that this was a sad affair. The troops used were not trained well enough in this type of situation. I'm sure NYPD gets more hours per year training in hostage situations than anyone in the Russian army ever accumulated. What the 'Muslim' rebels thought they would gain, God only knows.

As to the lack of understanding between Arabs and Caucasians, it flows both ways. Its easy to scream that we should kill all of the people we think might pose a threat, but I think it would be smarter to figure out why they don't like us in the first place, and do something about the image problem.

There is a hell of a book called "The Seven Sisters" about the rise of big oil from Getty to EXXON that was published some years ago which details a timeline that leads right to where we are now with the Middle East. Many of our problems with these people are the direct result of Western exploitation in pursuit of their oil. It ain't pretty, but we did it and now we live with the results. Some people got rich, some were made poor, many on both sides were made dead, and lots of Arabs are plenty pissed without a clear target.

It was made into a documentary film that I saw on PBS once. Definitely worth a read if you want to understand what their problem with us is.

This conflict did not start recently, and if we don't do something about the underlying tensions, it won't go away tomorrow. I feel sometimes that we are about to re-enact the Crusades, and if you check your history you'll see that the Christians suffered a great cost. If you haven't watched "Lawrence of Arabia" lately, I recommend it. We just don't understand their culture.

We need more reason brought to bear on these issues, or no amount of force will help. God help the innocents.

[i_got_ideas]

I've already vented on this issue. Too damn sad. I'd better stop there cause when it comes to killing children.....

[Edited by i_got_ideas on 09-04-2004 at 03:06 AM]

[James 3528]

Originally posted by air of honesty
There is no doubt that this was a sad affair. The troops used were not trained well enough in this type of situation. I'm sure NYPD gets more hours per year training in hostage situations than anyone in the Russian army ever accumulated. What the 'Muslim' rebels thought they would gain, God only knows.

As to the lack of understanding between Arabs and Caucasians, it flows both ways. Its easy to scream that we should kill all of the people we think might pose a threat, but I think it would be smarter to figure out why they don't like us in the first place, and do something about the image problem.

There is a hell of a book called "The Seven Sisters" about the rise of big oil from Getty to EXXON that was published some years ago which details a timeline that leads right to where we are now with the Middle East. Many of our problems with these people are the direct result of Western exploitation in pursuit of their oil. It ain't pretty, but we did it and now we live with the results. Some people got rich, some were made poor, many on both sides were made dead, and lots of Arabs are plenty pissed without a clear target.

It was made into a documentary film that I saw on PBS once. Definitely worth a read if you want to understand what their problem with us is.

This conflict did not start recently, and if we don't do something about the underlying tensions, it won't go away tomorrow. I feel sometimes that we are about to re-enact the Crusades, and if you check your history you'll see that the Christians suffered a great cost. If you haven't watched "Lawrence of Arabia" lately, I recommend it. We just don't understand their culture.

We need more reason brought to bear on these issues, or no amount of force will help. God help the innocents.

This don't have **** to do with oil and is typical of radical Islam. The world is not going to keep putting up with this. They will lose and the question is "How many of them will die" The Russian's know who they are now. They know who their families are. Their families will suffer. I know that much about their culture. FORCE IS THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND!!

“When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.” (Quran47.4).

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"And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God [i.e. moshrekin.] wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful."(Quran 9:5)


Bodies of schoolchildren killed in a school seizure seen in Beslan, North Ossetia, Friday, Sept. 3, 2004.
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[Edited by James 3528 on 09-04-2004 at 07:52 AM]

[caosesvida]

It is hard to fathom this kind of brutality.This is wrong in the strongest sense! These acts are directed by pure emotion and desperation. But if you were one of them it would make perfect sense.Just as much sense as killing all of them makes to you. The whole oil issue is combined with the issue of have and have nots,in the end this is what the crusades was all about, and most wars under what every God that they are fought. In the end its about someone who wants something that is not his to have. So he takes it with force. I am reading a book about the history of spain at the moment which deals greatly with the crusades also. The moors wanted the wealth of spain and then the christians wanted it. The christians won. then came the inqusition, try and figure out how the christian GOD wanted to kill and horribly torture, burn alive, rip arms and legs off, more horrible things than what we are seeing today. The answer is no GOD wants that, it the people who want the power and the money who tell the poor and desperate, thats what god told me to do, or it is written. Its not the religion its the people, like its not the guns its the people who kill people. How do we break this chain? I whish that we all could figure that one out. These events have been repeated throughout history with the same basic pricipals behind them. In this one sense I wonder if we, as a culture, have advanced much.

[Senior Tech]

The bottom line is God will deal with those that done this to children...and their torture here will be minimal to what they suffer while burning in hell...

[rob10]

They may be the first to use it on al-queda targets!!

Hiel Bush!!!

[caosesvida]

rob10 what is the 8/10 refer to?

[James 3528]

Boss sold the site on E-bay

[rob10]

I bet Don still does not have a decent pair of shoes or car!!:D

[caosesvida]

Wow, I misses that I was away for a while at that time. How wil l that affect this forum?

[rob10]

Have applied to be moderators of the ARP!! :D

[ozone drone]

Originally posted by rob10
They may be the first to use it on al-queda targets!!

Hiel Bush!!!

What kind of bottom dwelling slime makes war on women, children and schoolteachers? This is the lowest.
Rob ...you got a point.....Chechnya would be glowing border to border.

[woods mech]

I can't begin to explain the depth of sorrow I feel for those poor kids and the white hot anger that burns inside me for the subhuman bastards that killed them. I don't want to understand why they did it I just want them all dead. I couldn't give a flying crap about their disputes about borders or their feelings of inadaquacy and jealousy because they are living in the 7th century while the rest of us are in the 21st. I wish the world would wake up and ban together and wipe out these islamofacist monsters and all that defend them.

[infwsdm]

These terrorists are ....I don't even have words to describe what I think of these @#$%$% for what they did to these kids.

The thing about it is now we have to consider that this can happen on our turf.

[rob10]

You are right. The wussy libs have their heads stuck in the sand concerning this. They still wont admit that it's better to fight them there than here!! DEATH TO AL-QEUDA!!! Heil BUSH!!

[caosesvida]

rob 10 whats the significance of heil bush? doesn't seem to fit there. OR am I missing the sarcasm?

[sline-dawg]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40338
I can’t believe we allow scum like this in the U.S.A.

[ozone drone]

Islamic nations and terrorist groups want 2 things

A. Nuclear Weapons
B Martyrdom

We could kill 2 stones with one bird and givem just what they asked for.

[JasonHoustonTX]

This is a perfect example that just because you don't back the US in a war on terror or IRAQ doesnt mean your safe from terrorists.

Russia, Germany, France: "hey, lets just stay away from american and keep out of their fight and we will be safe and not be targets."

WRONG!!!!

[Edmund Forsthe]

they are too chicken to kill themselves so they reasort to the tactics they use to justify going down to hell to meet their god or whatever they idolize as their god. whats screw up is the koran does not justify what they are doing, it's the deranged that contorting the words to justify what they are doing, and the stupid dumbasses that look no further than their noses in acceppting those words as gospel, and their so called holy men have no balls to step up and condemm the killing of the innocents because by doing so would compromise their power base. the division among the western world does only one thing, it signals those radical terrorist that they can do what they do and not fear repercussions, those western infedils will only argue with themselves. good example is what is happening in the election process by critizizing what has been done sends the wrong signals to the other side, besides that what would somebody ealse have done is only a matter of speculation and pure conjection. only that scares me is what somebody who gets elected can undo all that that has been done, but is that the right thing to do.

[Edited by Edmund Forsthe on 09-08-2004 at 03:05 PM]

[b_ellis]

Originally posted by JasonHoustonTX
This is a perfect example that just because you don't back the US in a war on terror or IRAQ doesnt mean your safe from terrorists.

Russia, Germany, France: "hey, lets just stay away from american and keep out of their fight and we will be safe and not be targets."

WRONG!!!!

That's right! I'll bet all the time that debate was going on, tout les petites madames et messieurs were thinking leaving us to do it alone would avoid the rath of the muslims. Doesn't work with those guys.

[Edmund Forsthe]

i would like to see something happen to the french, what else would they do to appease the terrorist, they experienced this in algeria, so they are not prestined and are actually guilty of war crimes too. vienam laos and combodia they were there too.

[woods mech]

Low Yield Nuclear Warheads



Proud to be an Infadel

[sline-dawg]

Originally posted by ozone drone
Islamic nations and terrorist groups want 2 things

A. Nuclear Weapons
B Martyrdom

We could kill 2 stones with one bird and givem just what they asked for. Damn i wish it was that easy. who should be the first to meet allah?

[woods mech]

I wish it was that easy too. It would be nice if W told the world "If one more American or child dies because of terrorism Mecca will disappear in a cloud of dust and fire"

[caosesvida]

that would change nothing, only get more converts to take dirty bombs to NYC. If it were that easy wouldn't someone have done it already. If you look back we and other countries have fought terrorists for ever they come and they go. If you look at history you will see that blowing up churches only gets more converts,We are going to have to fight this one on many fronts, one with power of force and one with economics and one with reason. The terrorists would like nothing better than you blow up mecca. The love that, they love the war in iraq, how do you think they get their propaganda? The more iraqis die the more churches and holy places we blow up accidentally the more powerful they get. Osama is safe does he care if you blow up mecca , hell no he would laugh his ass off. Brute force has not proven to be effective in these situations. Look at palestine/israel, britian/england the list goes on. at some point the one side has to see that terroism is not the answer. Until then the pawns will be strapping the explsives to themselves convinced they are doing gods will.

[ozone drone]

Originally posted by caosesvida
that would change nothing, only get more converts to take dirty bombs to NYC. If it were that easy wouldn't someone have done it already. If you look back we and other countries have fought terrorists for ever they come and they go. If you look at history you will see that blowing up churches only gets more converts,We are going to have to fight this one on many fronts, one with power of force and one with economics and one with reason. The terrorists would like nothing better than you blow up mecca. The love that, they love the war in iraq, how do you think they get their propaganda? The more iraqis die the more churches and holy places we blow up accidentally the more powerful they get. Osama is safe does he care if you blow up mecca , hell no he would laugh his ass off. Brute force has not proven to be effective in these situations. Look at palestine/israel, britian/england the list goes on. at some point the one side has to see that terroism is not the answer. Until then the pawns will be strapping the explsives to themselves convinced they are doing gods will.

Caos (Is that Spanish for chaotic life?)

I know you're right but seeing those pictures of dead 6 year old girls just makes you want to expunge those f@%kers.
Once I think with my head instead of my heart, I realize 6 year old Muslim girls would be just as dead in a nuke strike as the Russian girls who were killed with bullets and explosives, That would put us at the bottom of the humanity barrel along with the terrorist scum. I just can't imagine believing my God would want me to kill children in His name like these mindless zealots. If their God demands such things ..what an ******* god he is! and I'd roast in hell rather than bow to a god like that.

[bootlen]

Wow, ozone! You sound like Shadrak, Meshak, and Abednigo. I'm proud of ya, man!

[ozone drone]

Originally posted by bootlen
Wow, ozone! You sound like Shadrak, Meshak, and Abednigo. I'm proud of ya, man!

Okay booty, maybe I got a little carried away...how about facing 100 delayed ignitions instead of throwing myself into the furnace?? ;) Just because I'm half baked and find the oven cozy....doesn't mean I'm totally wacked!

[Edited by ozone drone on 09-09-2004 at 02:40 PM]

[bootlen]

Originally posted by ozone drone

Originally posted by bootlen
Wow, ozone! You sound like Shadrak, Meshak, and Abednigo. I'm proud of ya, man!

Okay booty, maybe I got a little carried away...how about facing 100 delayed ignitions instead of throwing myself into the furnace?? ;) Just because I'm half baked and find the oven cozy....doesn't mean I'm totally wacked!

[Edited by ozone drone on 09-09-2004 at 02:40 PM]

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[caosesvida]

the pictures are horrible, the thought of it sickening, I agree. I wish there was some way to have the people who want to fight go somewhere and kill each other and leave the children alone. Seeing children die of starvation, like what is going on in many places in the world is just a bad. As a human race I find it hard to fathom how we have gotten to this point when we have so many riches and resources. children being kidnapped in this country and killed by crazy nuts. All of these things need to be corrected somehow. I guess thats the problem we all face. I can't belive that anyone on this board or anywhere could want to kill a child unless the are completely mad or insane. Hate is the answer, supporting hate in any form supports these kind of actions. When you hate you deny your heart, thats the only way you could kill a child. I guess thats why I would like to see less hate in this country and less hate on this board, if I see what I think I see. Thats why I think we should have these discussions without resorting to hateful statements about each other. Its only normal to want to have those insane terroists blown to bits, if it were your children I am sure we would all get a gun and try to do it ourselves if there was any way to do it. We can't survive as a nation dividing each other with small things, when we all agree on the big things. I find when the political debates get personal it is depressing, and giving into the ego and the hate. the hate is for the child killers, but somehow it overflows to our brothers and sisters. Hate is a powerful weapon used in the hands of a manipulator. Hitler, stalin, musolinni, all were very good at it. Lets not use it against each other. Dissagree is great, thats what makes this country work. Sometimew we are ritght and sometimes we are wrong, so lets try to drop the name calling and get to the debate so don't let the terroists win. these web sites are available to the terroists also, they can print them off and say to some young kid, "look at this the americans want to drop a bomb on mecca, they want to kill your mother and father" See I told you thats what they wanted to do" The poor kid who is influenced by the guns and the peer pressure sees this and says "yeah those americans want to kill me so Ihave to kill them first" he straps a bomb on himself thinking that " I am saving my family, my mother and father and my sisters and brothers from death, this is a noble thing." Wouldn't we do the same thing given the lack of truth and information?

[rob10]

Originally posted by caosesvida
We can't terroists also, they can print them off and say to some young kid, "look at this the americans want to drop a bomb on mecca, they want to kill your mother and father" See I told you thats what they wanted to do" This is exactly what we must do to stabilize the world from terrorism. The muslims know no other way but death. They all have an inbred hate of what America stands for. The Russians are now tasting the cruel bitterness of this hate from these crazies. They will retaliate with possibly a nuke of their own.

[woods mech]

We should've nuked their caves in tora bora. If we don't get a handle on terrorism it will eventually come down to nuclear war. Because once it comes to america all you crybaby liberals will change your tune. War is sometimes the only answer.

Proud to be an Infadel

W04

[caosesvida]

well lets work on crushing it before we go to a full scale world war. Try to keep the deaths to a minimum, other contries are coming on board, as the terrorists start spreading themselves thin and other countries attack, they will wither and die. Indonesia, russia, even france is getting in gear, together we will destroy them.