Why do Dems demonstrate?

[RoBoTeq]

Is that part of what "dem" means? You don't hear about Republicans demonstrating. Do only the Dems get coverage for demonstrating?

I don't recall hearing about Republicans demonstrating the Democratic National Convention in Boston, yet every day there are Democrats getting coverage for demonstrating the Republican National Convention.

Let's stop sugar coating the term; demonstration means "whining". Whining because others don't believe the way you do. Isn't trying to force everyone to do as you do and think as you do called Fascism?

What kinds of people are in these demonstrations? The homosexuals are demonstrating, minorities are demonstrating, the American Communist Party is demonstrating. Gee, why do organizations that these people not like Republicans?

[bb]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Is that part of what "dem" means? You don't hear about Republicans demonstrating. Do only the Dems get coverage for demonstrating?

I don't recall hearing about Republicans demonstrating the Democratic National Convention in Boston, yet every day there are Democrats getting coverage for demonstrating the Republican National Convention.

Let's stop sugar coating the term; demonstration means "whining". Whining because others don't believe the way you do. Isn't trying to force everyone to do as you do and think as you do called Fascism?

What kinds of people are in these demonstrations? The homosexuals are demonstrating, minorities are demonstrating, the American Communist Party is demonstrating. Gee, why do organizations that these people not like Republicans?

Don't forget the transexuals that can't decide what they want. Kind of reminds me of 1 of the candidates.!

[gerryboy00]

.....and what are you trying to demonstrate, Robo? ;)

[classical]

At the beginning of the Iraq war and all of the demonstrations were going on I heard a report discussing why people demonstrate. What they said was people of low self-esteem seek out other people with low self-esteem. They join together in a bonding that gives them a purpose in life. Since they have no real purpose and no discernable direction hence the low self worth they bond with others of their ilk to create a feeling of purpose.


Sounds like democrats to me.

Look at the people we always see out there m moore jesse ed asner rosie et al.

[air1]

Because they can! The constitution guarantees the right to assemble and freedom of speech. That way if we don't like the way government is handling things we can come together to voice our concerns and exchange ideas. Then vote to change and install representatives in office that reflect the ideas and policies of the people.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by RoBoTeq
Is that part of what "dem" means? You don't hear about Republicans demonstrating. Do only the Dems get coverage for demonstrating?

I don't recall hearing about Republicans demonstrating the Democratic National Convention in Boston, yet every day there are Democrats getting coverage for demonstrating the Republican National Convention.

Let's stop sugar coating the term; demonstration means "whining". Whining because others don't believe the way you do. Isn't trying to force everyone to do as you do and think as you do called Fascism?

What kinds of people are in these demonstrations? The homosexuals are demonstrating, minorities are demonstrating, the American Communist Party is demonstrating. Gee, why do organizations that these people not like Republicans? Wasn't that you in front of the abortion clinic with a sign? "Let's stop sugar coating the term; demonstration means "whining". Whining because others don't believe the way you do. Isn't trying to force everyone to do as you do and think as you do called Fascism" Wow! this is a perfect example of a right-wing religious nut thinking.

[kim]

Republicans demonstrate with their check book. Democrats demonstrate with signs, because they do not have the money or they want the attention.

[andserco]

The republicans are at work so not available for a all day get together , all the dems, who are wanting or getting a govt check , they are avilaable all day instead of being at work...O.K I'm ready I hear the "INCOMING" of the flaming on its way....The regular flames will be that there is no jobs because of BUSH, the rich only have money because of BUSH,the corporate giants are raping the average JOE because of BUSH,BUSH is the problem...I will not blame anybody,the Pres,VP,or anybody in govt ever for any of my misfortunes in life , I dont understand when people,(DEMS,REPS,Poor,Rich,working or not, whoever) start blaming others for thier problems. I believe,I could be wrong,that most people's misfortunes in life are self cultivated--poor life decisions,poor money management,bad luck,etc..Because for everbody with a bad situation, there is somebody that is prospering...IMO

[Edited by andserco on 08-31-2004 at 04:51 PM]

[johnl45]

Originally posted by andserco
Because for everbody with a bad situation, there is somebody that is prospering...IMO I agree, we're in a bad situation after we get rid of Bush things will be better.

[rob10]

Do you really believe the CRAP you write. God help us if there are very many with such a singular skewed mindset as yours.

[woods mech]

....because they are short sighted morons with nothing productive to do with themselves. Most of those people you see on TV are professional protestors. They go from city to city and are paid by unions and other leftist organizations to protest whatever cause is on their list.

At least the abortion protestors are trying to save the lives of millions of innocent babies and after all abortion is clearly murder no matter how the left tries to cloak it in the "woman's right to choose" garb. Choose Life what an outlandish concept. How about women accepting the responsibilty for their actions when they screw around and get pregnant. Now there's a foreign concept in today's society.

[r22jjc]

bunch a tree huggen hippies,just like them boys that threw that tea in boston harbor a few years back,trouble makers one and all!!!

[bootlen]

Originally posted by r22jjc
bunch a tree huggen hippies,just like them boys that threw that tea in boston harbor a few years back,trouble makers one and all!!!

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Got a news flash for ya, r22. The boys in Boston Harbor had a legit gripe. Dems/libs are whining because they caught their tail and bit it.

[classical]

Originally posted by andserco
The republicans are at work so not available for a all day get together , all the dems, who are wanting or getting a govt check , they are avilaable all day instead of being at work...O.K I'm ready I hear the "INCOMING" of the flaming on its way....The regular flames will be that there is no jobs because of BUSH, the rich only have money because of BUSH,the corporate giants are raping the average JOE because of BUSH,BUSH is the problem...I will not blame anybody,the Pres,VP,or anybody in govt ever for any of my misfortunes in life , I dont understand when people,(DEMS,REPS,Poor,Rich,working or not, whoever) start blaming others for thier problems. I believe,I could be wrong,that most people's misfortunes in life are self cultivated--poor life decisions,poor money management,bad luck,etc..Because for everbody with a bad situation, there is somebody that is prospering...IMO

[Edited by andserco on 08-31-2004 at 04:51 PM]

Absolutely correct you are what you make of yourself.

Rob I assume you were referring to john45; speaking of what is your problem that you have such a low opinion responsible people.

On another thread I asked for one of you libs to show concrete proof in black and white this drivel that the Presidents tax cuts benefit the rich and not the middle class. So far I have yet to see only one response and that was just rhetoric no substance.

[rob10]

Originally posted by rob10
Do you really believe the CRAP you write. God help us if there are very many with such a singular skewed mindset as yours. Definitely a rebuttal to the mindlessness of john and others like him here. The most powerful demonstration a person can participate in is "voting" their convictions.

[r22jjc]

all them hippies should go home and get back to work!!!!or whatever they do...

[coolprod]

I usually laugh my ass off when I hear the "leader" of a demonstration explain why they are there, because they sound so stupid in their reasoning for it, I can't believe they would go on national tv and acually speek!! Once, I saw a young collage student speaking and she didn't even talk about what the demonstration was about!! :rolleyes::rolleyes: What dumbshi!!s

[infwsdm]

They like to lay in the street and play dead, keeping people from going about their day.

These people are a bunch goofballs. Can someone tell me whats wrong when we have grown men and women playing dead in the street?

[mtushmoo]

Sometimes the protestors are funny.

I went to see Dubya Monday night in Taylor, Michigan. There was about 8 protesters (or Kerry supporters, I 'spose, since they didn't appear to be opposing anything exept Bush).

One of 'em had a sign that said "Abstinence in 2004; No Bush, No Dick"

About the only clever thing I saw out of 'em.

I also saw the true side of their altruistic "we want to help all men" nature.

They had run out of parking at the event, and the last 50 or 60 cars had to park in a field across from the park. It was a corner lot right where the Kerry folks were wandering around with their signs.

Since it was Michigan, it rained all weekend, the field was a swamp with a nice grass camoflage over the top. I had milled around in the event for a while after it got done, and when I came out, My truck remained in the field along with about 10 cars.

And the protesters.

One of the cars was about 50 feet away from these guys, and the lady was handicapped.

And the car was stuck.

Not a single one of those scumballs raised a finger to help this woman.

It was all I could do as I pulled her out with the truck to keep from cutting the wheel in 4 lo and spraying those bastards with mud. If there hadn't been a cop acros the street, I might have done it.

But that isn't the high road, either.

Such are missed opportunities.....

Eric

[woods mech]

I speak from experience when I talk about the liberal protestors. I was involved in a protest in memphis one time for the AFL-CIO. It really opened my eyes to the kind of people that attend protests. They are all lemmings following the marching orders from their sponsoring organizations and most of them have no idea why they are there other than to raise hell. When I left that clusterf**k in memphis I had no respect for those people. Unless they remain peaceful they should be swept off the streets like the other trash.

W04

[motorboy1]

Originally posted by infwsdm
They like to lay in the street and play dead, keeping people from going about their day.

These people are a bunch goofballs. Can someone tell me whats wrong when we have grown men and women playing dead in the street?


You warmongers are a bunch of goofballs. There is nothing wrong with grown men and women playing dead in the street in protest of war. It sure beats the 981 REAL DEAD men and women from the shubs war of choice. At least the protesters can get up and go home at the end of the day.

Bush and Co. What a shameful mess!

[mikemich]

Originally posted by motorboy1

Originally posted by infwsdm
They like to lay in the street and play dead, keeping people from going about their day.

These people are a bunch goofballs. Can someone tell me whats wrong when we have grown men and women playing dead in the street?


You warmongers are a bunch of goofballs. There is nothing wrong with grown men and women playing dead in the street in protest of war. It sure beats the 981 REAL DEAD men and women from the shubs war of choice. At least the protesters can get up and go home at the end of the day.

Bush and Co. What a shameful mess! 981 volunteers died for a cause.Those figures are close to the numbers that are killed here in metro Detroit every year.What's their cause and why are there no protesters who care about the innocent victoms?Maybe because the city and state is being led by the same fruit cakes that stage those types of demonstrations.Democrats would rather kill babies instead of the enemy.

[bootlen]

You warmongers are a bunch of goofballs. There is nothing wrong with grown men and women playing dead in the street in protest of war. It sure beats the 981 REAL DEAD men and women from the shubs war of choice. At least the protesters can get up and go home at the end of the day. [Posted by motorboy1]

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I'm sure glad these lie-in-the-street idiots and people who "think" (loosely used term here) like motor weren't around in the 1770's.

[drcustom]

"981 volunteers died for a cause. Those figures are close to the numbers that are killed here in metro Detroit every year.What's their cause and why are there no protesters who care about the innocent victoms? Maybe because the city and state is being led by the same fruit cakes that stage those types of demonstrations. Democrats would rather kill babies instead of the enemy."

You speak for the soldiers over there do you? Got a few buddies over there right now, and they universally tell me morale is in the pits. The "cause" (read: WMDs) turned out to be a phantasm and everybody just scared they're going to die for ungrateful Iraqis. We need a Commander in Chief who would propose an exit strategy BEFORE going in. Not sure that's Kerry though, but it's a proven fact it sure as hell isn't Bush

[woods mech]

drcustom,
Don't form your opinions on what a few guys you know say. I know guys that say just the oposite of what you "friends" say. We need to finish the mission in Iraq. Not run away like the democrats always want us to do. We have a very low casualty rate in Iraq compared to when we occupied germany after WWII. I for one would rather have the fight taken to those terrorist scumbags over there than have them killing more people over here. You bushhaters are so blinded by your own hatred and stupidity that you can't see the bigger picture. We have an overall strategy in Iraq that is saving American lives here in the states. I will probably end up over there eventually. No, I don't want to go but sometime you have to do things you don't want to do for the greater good of your country. Seem like that concept is foriegn to you antiwar losers. You people don't want to admit that we have been at war with the islamofacists since 1979 when they took americans hostage in Tehran. It's about time our President stood up to them. What we just saw in russia with the schoolchildren taken hostage will be happening here if we do not fight terrorism wherever it is. Don't believe the liberal media hype, the military overwhelmingly supports Bush. He has supported us and appreciates our sacrifices. Your hero Kerry never has supported us nor has any of his liberal colleagues. Kerry is not fit to be commander in chief.

W04

[jpb2]

1. Personal responsibility.
2. National security
3. Core values ( be consistant)
4. Vision for future ( once again, be consistant)
5. Most importantly, NONE OF THESE THINGS come from senator Kerry. No choice in 2004 EXCEPT W




6. Side note: W's biggest faults are trying to get along with the other side. Glad to see "the gloves off". Call a spade a spade

[johnl45]

Originally posted by woods mech
drcustom,
Don't believe the liberal media hype, the military overwhelmingly supports Bush. He has supported us and appreciates our sacrifices.

Have you seen Osma? Send the Bush twins. Commander in chief or what? Bush hasn't the slightest Idea of what’s going on day to day in Iraq and he couldn’t care less. Bush has absolutely nothing to offer the American people but his phony war on terror that he admitted he could not win and his rhetoric about Kerry.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by woods mech
drcustom,
Don't believe the liberal media hype, the military overwhelmingly supports Bush. He has supported us and appreciates our sacrifices.

Have you seen Osama? Send the Bush twins. Commander in chief or what? Bush hasn't the slightest Idea of what’s going on day to day in Iraq and he couldn’t care less. Bush has absolutely nothing to offer the American people but his phony war on terror that he admitted he could not win and his rhetoric about Kerry.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by woods mech
drcustom,
Don't believe the liberal media hype, the military overwhelmingly supports Bush. He has supported us and appreciates our sacrifices.

Have you seen Osma? Send the Bush twins. Commander in chief or what? Bush hasn't the slightest Idea of what’s going on day to day in Iraq and he couldn’t care less. Bush has absolutely nothing to offer the American people but his phony war on terror that he admitted he could not win and his rhetoric about Kerry.

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Inaccurate therefore irrelevant

[bootlen]

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by woods mech
drcustom,
Don't believe the liberal media hype, the military overwhelmingly supports Bush. He has supported us and appreciates our sacrifices.

Have you seen Osama? Send the Bush twins. Commander in chief or what? Bush hasn't the slightest Idea of what’s going on day to day in Iraq and he couldn’t care less. Bush has absolutely nothing to offer the American people but his phony war on terror that he admitted he could not win and his rhetoric about Kerry.

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Johnnie, saying it twice might make it true in dem/lib circles but on this forum, saying it twice only makes you look twice as stupid.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by woods mech
drcustom,
Don't believe the liberal media hype, the military overwhelmingly supports Bush. He has supported us and appreciates our sacrifices.

Have you seen Osama? Send the Bush twins. Commander in chief or what? Bush hasn't the slightest Idea of what’s going on day to day in Iraq and he couldn’t care less. Bush has absolutely nothing to offer the American people but his phony war on terror that he admitted he could not win and his rhetoric about Kerry.

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Johnnie, saying it twice might make it true in dem/lib circles but on this forum, saying it twice only makes you look twice as stupid. Hey! It works for Bush and you believe everything he says.

Iraq Bush’s biggest lie to date but there’s more to come!

[bootlen]

Iraq Bush’s biggest lie to date [Posted by johnI45]

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That statement really does it for ya, johnnie.

You really need to stay out of the crack houses.

While there are laws against murdering, lying, and stealing, there are no lies against stupidity. So I guess we'll just have to put up with you.

[remember]

there are republican groups protesting too.
you don't see the many faces of the protesters in the mainstream media because the mainstream media is owned by the fat cat bigwigs in the repub party.and the dem party.they are all conservative,they wish to conserve their money.

you guys posing as repubs are a joke.if you looked there are real conservatives outthere protesting against this runaway spending and the rise of the debt and deficit spending. and protesting the power of groups like the WTO and other international organizations that are superceding american authority.

not to say that many "protest" are not filled with "ringers "of all ilks.

but there are people of all sorts.for all reasons.

and you guys are just talking sh*t as usual.
and demographically speaking the republicans are the party that appeals to the undereducated,low income people.and others are the insecure for one reason(I think the republicans with a college degree and a good job have "compensation/size"issues) or another that feel more empowered by the fascist rhetoric of the repud party.that is the same demographic that made up the fascist party in germany.

wealthier more educated people tend to vote democratic.

an educated person may realize the hypocrisy at saying you want to save the life of an unborn child,and then say "bomb the hell out of those arabs".and support those armament industries in peacetime ,while they are starting another war and getting contracts.
pray to the money!
pray to the money!
that is your god.

you people are a joke.



[Edited by remember on 09-05-2004 at 10:20 AM]

[caosesvida]

wow! If the polls are calling a close election, and its split, it would seem we are in for another civil war by the tone of these posts. except for the 50% of US citizens that don't vote. Our country is in a mess, and its not the dem, or rep, or the mexicans or the moslems, jews, italians, irish,polish, russians or any other ethnic group. At some point aren't we all going to have to shoulder together and bring this country around?

I know its venting, and ego, and beliefes. These discussions are all good and its the american way, but I think we all need to re-evaluate our ideas about each other and stop separating ourselves from ourselves. If we are not happy with whats going on, getting rid of the opposition is not the american way, even in the congress they somehow work together while still opposing each other.

Words are more powerful than the sword, What are we going to do?


and this is NOT, lets all hold hands and kiss and make up, this is the thing that keeps a country alive, all civiliaztions have destroyed themselves by fighting between themselves or laying down to die.


ps. I hope this doesn't make me a hippy or a liberal or alien , or an idiot or a !!!!! I can't remember all the slurs and mud slingin names thrown around here. But it probably will.

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by remember
you guys posing as repubs are a joke.

and you guys are just talking sh*t as usual.

you people are a joke.
[Edited by remember on 09-05-2004 at 10:20 AM]

Interesting view remember. Is calling others names your only contribution or do you have anything intelligent to add?

Let's see now;


mainstream media is owned by the fat cat bigwigs
and from the very same post;

wealthier more educated people tend to vote democratic.

So..which is it? Do the nasty Republicans own all of the media, which would make them the wealthier and more educated, or do the goody two shoes Democrats have all of the wealthier and more intelligent people. As usual, you have spoken from both sides of your...well, whatever orifice it is you are speaking from.

[mtushmoo]

Originally posted by remember
there are republican groups protesting too.
you don't see the many faces of the protesters in the mainstream media because the mainstream media is owned by the fat cat bigwigs in the repub party.and the dem party.they are all conservative,they wish to conserve their money.


The ONLY news outlet that is controled by a conservative is Fox news. Note that I said CONTROLLED, not owned.




you guys posing as repubs are a joke.if you looked there are real conservatives outthere protesting against this runaway spending and the rise of the debt and deficit spending.



I'm not happy with these things, and you are right, many others aren't happy about it either. However, we have a two party system, and the other guy already promised to raise taxes and has already proposed two TRILLION in new spending.

Thus - we chose the lesser of the evils.




and protesting the power of groups like the WTO and other international organizations that are superceding american authority.



We can leave the UN at any time and not hurt many peoples feelings in the republican party. I'm less sure of the WTO, but that outfit is getting too big for it's britches.

Where in any of these posts have you seen a "republican poser" support it?




not to say that many "protest" are not filled with "ringers "of all ilks.

but there are people of all sorts.for all reasons.

and you guys are just talking sh*t as usual.
and demographically speaking the republicans are the party that appeals to the undereducated,low income people.



Really. Care to cough up some data points, since you appear to have already researched it?




and others are the insecure for one reason(I think the republicans with a college degree and a good job have "compensation/size"issues)


No compensation issues here. I think people should be able to own guns. I think babies should be allowed to be born. I think I shouldn't have to pay taxes to be given to some crack whore that's too jacked up to use a rubber when she's trickin' for her next rock. I don't expect to have to pay a higher percentage of tax the more succesful I get.

With those beliefs, which party am I supposed to respect?

The one that is trying to take away my guns, make abortions as common as possible, raise my taxes and punnish my success by increased progresivity in the tax code?




or another that feel more empowered by the fascist rhetoric of the repud party.that is the same demographic that made up the fascist party in germany.



Fascism according to http://www.m-w.com:

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Perhaps you ought to see what words mean before you use them. The republican party is built on the principle of rugged individualism and responsibility for self.

Apparently you weren't listening....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/02/gop.bush.transcript/

I challenge tyou to find a single statement in that speach that exalts anything BUT the individual working toward excellence in their chosen field, let alone economic and social regimentation.




wealthier more educated people tend to vote democratic.


More educated, I might buy. There is a TON of really well educated people out there that support the liberals. A ton of 'em are school teachers and college professors. Once they have tenure, they don't have to worry about anything except cashing the check. The democrats are happy to write a nice fat check to "improve education"

The republicans are happy to write a check for education too - but there's strings on their money. The teachers actually have to prove that they educated somebody for getting the check. Thus, they'll support the dems every time. Don't have to actually DO anything to get that check.

Wealthy - not a chance, except maybe for the loony hollywood lefties. If you throw out celebrities, the bulk of anybody that's "wealthy" support republicans - because to get wealthy, you have to work your tail off, and the Dems will steal the hard earned wealth from the "wealthy" and give it away. See "crack whore" above.




an educated person may realize the hypocrisy at saying you want to save the life of an unborn child,and then say "bomb the hell out of those arabs".


It is not hypocritical to save an unborn child while preventing a war from coming to your home soil.

Perhaps if we said "try not to hit the abortion clininc when you're bombing the arabs in the apartment next door in Anaheim, CA" you'd feel better about it?



and support those armament industries in peacetime ,while they are starting another war and getting contracts.
pray to the money!
pray to the money!
that is your god.

you people are a joke

[Edited by remember on 09-05-2004 at 10:20 AM]
[/B][/QUOTE]


So.....

We arent' supposed to build or have a military?

to swipe a phrase from Zell Miller...

"Spitballs?"

You've complained about a whole bunch of Republican Ideas.

Let's here yours....It's a WHOLE lot easier to complain than to cough up a better plan....

So I want to here yours.

Eric K

[RoBoTeq]

Damn mtushmoo, I wish I had the patience to be that diplomatic. Nice post!

[classical]

Right on MUSHMOO very concise and salient rebuttal to Clyde (remember) conspiracy theory boy.

In answer to a question you posed to me in the service thread clyde I started that thread to show that the majority of the men on this forum served their country and know what duty means. We earned the right to speak our mind; it also shows that those who always deride our country and its current president do not know what duty is.

You make interesting points in your many diatribes but I went through that crap when I was in my late teens and early twenties. I have read all the books you have and they were interesting but it is just drivel meant to peek the interest of young malleable minds some see through it and others buy into it for the long haul.

When I was in my late teens I also read and bought into Eric Von Daniken till I found out he fabricated much of his "proof".

A skillful writer can gather facts and rumors laced with supposition to prove any point and to promote any theory.

I knew young Germans that meet in coffee houses and catacomb clubs that thought communism was the wave of the future for Germany. They were nuts and they were lazy worthless individuals that lived off the largess of the government; these same people are the green party in Germany and look what that has done for Germany and the rest of Europe. You remind me of these people, I am curious what is your background do you work if so what kind of work. What liberal arts school did you go to what is your degree or do you have one? I am not attempting to put you down as you do all others just trying to understand where you come from.