Trane PCV chiller locked up

[pringlel]

Anyone have have a tear down manual?

[york56]

Why don't you just sell them a new Chiller.:yes:

[pringlel]

Its definitely time for a new chiller. At this point the customer wants me to open it up and check it out. I was told the chiller was just over hauled in Jan of this year.

[absrbrtek]

Sidewinder or a grinder?

[pringlel]

I believe its a sidewinder, hoping to remove second stage inlet guide vane plate to gain access to the impeller. ( I am sure that's not the proper name)

[turbomaster]

Is this the same one that was suspected of being overcharged awhile back?

[pringlel]

Is this the same one that was suspected of being overcharged awhile back?

Same machine , I pulled the charge and am at or slightly over 1000lbs Think the factory charge is around 760lbs.

[Healey Nut]

Im going to be honest because thats the way I am . Problem is your not going to like it .
If you need a teardown manual for a sidewinder you shouldnt be doing it..... period . Your customer is paying for a qualified competent tech, and you need a manual to show you how to do it ????? Were not talking rocket science here no electronic wizardry just an old sidewinder . Sorry if I offended you but I call a spade a spade .

[pringlel]

Im going to be honest because thats the way I am . Problem is your not going to like it .
If you need a teardown manual for a sidewinder you shouldnt be doing it..... period . Your customer is paying for a qualified competent tech, and you need a manual to show you how to do it ????? Were not talking rocket science here no electronic wizardry just an old sidewinder . Sorry if I offended you but I call a spade a spade .
I am not offended in the least :)

[allchlrstech]

I do, but its on my laptop and its in the hospital with a virus.When it gets back I will email you a copy.

[pringlel]

Thank you sir :)

[mallron]

:hijacked:

Nice dog.

What part of MD do you work in?

[klove]

Im going to be honest because thats the way I am . Problem is your not going to like it .
If you need a teardown manual for a sidewinder you shouldnt be doing it..... period . Your customer is paying for a qualified competent tech, and you need a manual to show you how to do it ????? Were not talking rocket science here no electronic wizardry just an old sidewinder . Sorry if I offended you but I call a spade a spade .

Some things need to be said, and some things are pure conjecture. To be the first remark you've made in this particular thread about a situation that you can't possibly be fully aware of, this is about the most arrogant statement that I've ever heard made. At first, I couldn't believe what I read, and then I realized who it was from. There's times that someone needs to be pointed towards getting assistance (I'm not sure this is one of them), and there's times that someone needs some reinforcement that they're going the right direction (I think this is one of them). I'm sure you didn't have either someone to help you, or at the very least a service manual as a guide the first time you ever did a teardown on one of these, did you? Of course you did - that's how you figured out that it ain't rocket science.

If you're going to engage in public speaking on a Friday night, you might want to consider not drinking at the same time. It's detrimental to your reputation.
I know 2 or 3 other guys that work for Trane that have this same attitude. I've also known the same from York, Carrier, and McQuay. I personally wouldn't let a mechanic into a machine that I owned unless he had a service manual - I don't care how good he thinks he is.

[jayguy]

...this is about the most arrogant statement that I've ever heard made...

oh come on...you have been on here for over a year and a half...the MOST arrogant? :D



...I personally wouldn't let a mechanic into a machine that I owned unless he had a service manual...

i almost always use a service manual (when available). lots of things don't take one or i've done it enough that certian parts somehow got stuck in my brain. i work on too many different types of machines to remember it all.

[Tech Rob]

Im going to be honest because thats the way I am . Problem is your not going to like it .
If you need a teardown manual for a sidewinder you shouldnt be doing it..... period . Your customer is paying for a qualified competent tech, and you need a manual to show you how to do it ????? Were not talking rocket science here no electronic wizardry just an old sidewinder . Sorry if I offended you but I call a spade a spade .

If you had never done one before, you'd want a manual, too. No one is born with 15 years of experience.

Chances are pringlel knows the potential cost of a mistake, and he would like to do the best job possible for his customer. If he's even on a site with a machine like this and they are charging him with the task of overhauling it, I'm sure he's competent and capable of doing it, especially since "it's not rocket science, just an old sidewinder". Cut the guy some slack.

EDIT: sorry - didn't read Klove's post before, but here's my .02

[Healey Nut]

As far as my first one , yes I was the helper thats how you learn .
As far as me being arrogant .........Guess you dont have many mirrors in your house do you Klove , have you read some of your posts ??????

[york56]

Everyone has to start somewhere unless you work on that piece of equipment day in and day out you are not going to know it inside and out that is why they give you manuals as a reference I use them all the time no matter what I am working on , If I had the manual I would give it to him if he wishes to serve his customer there is no reason why he should not be able to get it. He is only trying to help his customer.:argue:

[klove]

As far as my first one , yes I was the helper thats how you learn .
As far as me being arrogant .........Guess you dont have many mirrors in your house do you Klove , have you read some of your posts ??????

Plenty of them. Look at 'em all the time. As was stated, sometimes you have to point someone in the right direction, and no one likes to be told that maybe they need to help instead of lead. There's no easy way to say that on an internet forum. But the way you put this one was over the top.

We've all been in on the ones that someone says maybe it would be best if the OP got some experienced help, then the OP gets mad and starts acting like the world's against him. Then it degrades. We've all been guilty of things we shouldn't say. But to pretty much call another mechanic incompetent because he doesn't have specific experience on a specific machine and he asks for a service manual on it before tackling one of the most expensive repairs that can be made to that machine just ain't right. I'd be willing to bet there's a few folks on this site that can do some things blindfolded that you wouldn't even think about attempting without a manual. Don't mean you're not qualified, just inexperienced.

[heavymetaldad]

:couch: I can drink a beer blind folded, but that would kinda make it hard to read.





:couchhide:

[acjourneyman]

OOPS, I haven't looked at a manual to O/H a Trane in at least 10 years.

[cperk]

Anyone have have a tear down manual?

Don't know if you got it or not? Give me serial num. I'll see what I can do.

[heavymetaldad]

Don't know if you got it or not? Give me serial num. I'll see what I can do.

I Know I don't have anything on a bench or side grinder. I'll take anything available, please. :angel:

And I do know that I had NOTHING to do with ALL the York manuals disappearing from the office.

[klove]

I Know I don't have anything on a bench or side grinder. I'll take anything available, please. :angel:

For the ones I've been into, I've never had anything either, but that doesn't mean I didn't want it. I'm with 'dad - e-mails in my profile if you have anything.

[450R]

If you have access to comfort-site visit e-library and down load the manual. If you have problems the Trane parts dept can help you get the info as you will need materials to reassemble (gaskets, buffer seals and possibly bearings)

[york56]

I found this on Trane comfortsite.com

[Chiller Guy]

How is a man to know the torque values and seal/bearing measurements without some info? Even if you have done a dozen of them you probably cannot remember all those numbers along with every thing about other brands and styles you may work on. We would not let a tech lead a teardown until he had done 3 as a helper and the third one was his "check ride" as lead tech. He was also provided with all the literature that we could secure on the unit.

When/if you do this tear down a PVC is pretty straight forward as you will see. The suction cover and volute will hang at weird angles when pulled off but are manageable. Measure and record ALL seals and bearings as you come apart and a digital camera would be a great aid in documenting the conditions you find.

[pringlel]

I found this on Trane comfortsite.com
Thank you sir is much appreciated :) I am still waiting for our point of contact to set me up in the system.
My Graham I truly am sorry that my lack of competence is for lack of a better words insulting to you. It really isnt for lack of trying, I have spent a huge amount of money and time investing in myself. Mainly because i absolutely love this trade. As a young apprentice around A very good mechanic ex Trane by the way was doing a Tear down . I begged my boss to let me take a week off with no pay just so i could be in on the tear down. Being Young at the time i didnt understand why I couldnt. When i was coming up we had a few big machine men, and it was extremely hard to get teamed up with one of them.
95 I paid all expenses to go to carrier Centrifugal fundamental and the following week the tear down class. Very expensive courses especially the tear down add in the cost of 2 weeks lost wages, hotels , food , transportation. For a poor 5 year apprentice that was a lot of money.
In honesty it did open up some doors. As the years go on i try to pick a technical school a year, most of the time the company will meet me 1/2 way or pick up the majority of the tab. I have completed the York Step program,
Does this make me a master Technician ? Not Even close........ But anyone who has completed the York step program or started it knows its a Huge personal time commitment.
Sorry to rant but the more i thought about Mr Grahams post, the more i realized just how truly disrespectful it was.
I Was hoping this place was a place to Learn share information and grow,
If i am wrong please explain?

[pringlel]

How is a man to know the torque values and seal/bearing measurements without some info? Even if you have done a dozen of them you probably cannot remember all those numbers along with every thing about other brands and styles you may work on. We would not let a tech lead a teardown until he had done 3 as a helper and the third one was his "check ride" as lead tech. He was also provided with all the literature that we could secure on the unit.

When/if you do this tear down a PVC is pretty straight forward as you will see. The suction cover and volute will hang at weird angles when pulled off but are manageable. Measure and record ALL seals and bearings as you come apart and a digital camera would be a great aid in documenting the conditions you find.
I appreciate your input and help A digital camera will be a must for me.
I do appreciate all the support from everyone:bsing:

[york56]

Here are a few more that will be helpfull I have much more if you need .:bsing:

[york56]

Here are some more of interest that you should have to.:bsing:

[double bubble]

Thank you sir is much appreciated :) I am still waiting for our point of contact to set me up in the system.
My Graham I truly am sorry that my lack of competence is for lack of a better words insulting to you. It really isnt for lack of trying, I have spent a huge amount of money and time investing in myself. Mainly because i absolutely love this trade. As a young apprentice around A very good mechanic ex Trane by the way was doing a Tear down . I begged my boss to let me take a week off with no pay just so i could be in on the tear down. Being Young at the time i didnt understand why I couldnt. When i was coming up we had a few big machine men, and it was extremely hard to get teamed up with one of them.
95 I paid all expenses to go to carrier Centrifugal fundamental and the following week the tear down class. Very expensive courses especially the tear down add in the cost of 2 weeks lost wages, hotels , food , transportation. For a poor 5 year apprentice that was a lot of money.
In honesty it did open up some doors. As the years go on i try to pick a technical school a year, most of the time the company will meet me 1/2 way or pick up the majority of the tab. I have completed the York Step program,
Does this make me a master Technician ? Not Even close........ But anyone who has completed the York step program or started it knows its a Huge personal time commitment.
Sorry to rant but the more i thought about Mr Grahams post, the more i realized just how truly disrespectful it was.
I Was hoping this place was a place to Learn share information and grow,
If i am wrong please explain?

I hear ya I have been trying for years to break into the big work for years and was half way thru step program when it was cut off by JCI . I'm trusted to do seasonals and emergency service calls but no teardowns so far . It seems you just have to hit it right as an apprentice or your out of luck . Or just say I'll get the manual and just do it .

[Healey Nut]

Ok so maybe I was a little harsh in my response to his question but heres why . This site is set up to help other guys in the trenches .
It seems that every other post is a post with someone with their hand out looking for a manual for this that or the other piece of equpment .
Every maufacturer has a site and all the info needed can be found there if you take the time and energy to look. Yes some of them are harder than others but with patience and possibly some leg work you can get what you need .
The info I have accumulated over my years in the trade was found using this method .
So why should I and others constantly spoon feed people who just put their hand out , do the research do the leg work and find the info yourself .
Anyone can put their hand out and ask for something but you will get far more respect from others if you look ,find and research things for yourself .

[pringlel]

Here are some more of interest that you should have to.:bsing:
Wow thank you very generous of you sir:CU:

[pringlel]

I hear ya I have been trying for years to break into the big work for years and was half way thru step program when it was cut off by JCI . I'm trusted to do seasonals and emergency service calls but no teardowns so far . It seems you just have to hit it right as an apprentice or your out of luck . Or just say I'll get the manual and just do it .
The step program left a bad taste with most people after they put in all that time. Alot of the records when moved from york got lost. Now I think they have a mile stone program or atleast they used too.

[txhvac]

Ok so maybe I was a little harsh in my response to his question but heres why . This site is set up to help other guys in the trenches .
It seems that every other post is a post with someone with their hand out looking for a manual for this that or the other piece of equpment .
Every maufacturer has a site and all the info needed can be found there if you take the time and energy to look. Yes some of them are harder than others but with patience and possibly some leg work you can get what you need . The info I have accumulated over my years in the trade was found using this method .
So why should I and others constantly spoon feed people who just put their hand out , do the research do the leg work and find the info yourself .
Anyone can put their hand out and ask for something but you will get far more respect from others if you look ,find and research things for yourself .

Not all the info. is on the websites. Certain bulletins & overhaul manuals you ain't gettin' on-line. Now is there stuff floatin' around the internet? Sure. But to direct someone to the manufacturers websites for ALL the info. you need wouldn't be true.

[klove]

Ok so maybe I was a little harsh in my response to his question but heres why . This site is set up to help other guys in the trenches .
It seems that every other post is a post with someone with their hand out looking for a manual for this that or the other piece of equpment .
Every maufacturer has a site and all the info needed can be found there if you take the time and energy to look. Yes some of them are harder than others but with patience and possibly some leg work you can get what you need .
The info I have accumulated over my years in the trade was found using this method .
So why should I and others constantly spoon feed people who just put their hand out , do the research do the leg work and find the info yourself .
Anyone can put their hand out and ask for something but you will get far more respect from others if you look ,find and research things for yourself .

There's not an issue with thinking that someone may be in over their head and suggesting that they get experienced help. That's just an opinion, and oftentimes a correct one around here. (I believe that I can safely say it wouldn't be a correct one in the case of pringlel, but you wouldn't necessarily know that, and that's understandable.) There's not a problem with pointing someone in the right direction for what they may not be aware exists and expecting them to do their own legwork. I, like you, never liked someone to use me for an encyclopedia because they were too lazy to put their own effort into it and wanted it handed to them. (Another thing that I believe that we can safely say is not the case with P.)

Those things are not what's at issue, from my viewpoint. What's at issue is that you called another man incompetent simply because he asked for a service manual. That would fly straight in the face of proper decorum even if it were true, which it's not. I don't think that it would do any good to go back over all the really good reasons for having a service manual that folks have pointed out in this thread, but there have been many, and, as Kevin Bacon said in "A Few Good Men", they are indisputable.

So it comes down to this: If you don't like sharing what you've accumulated over the years, why are you here at all? That's what this place is about - the sharing of info for the good of the industry and each other. We have to be careful sometimes, and sometimes we have to hope that folks are qualified to use what they are given, but overall, it's about helping folks that want help, and sharing what it's taken the you's and the me's of the world 30 or 40 years to learn and being willing to share it with the younger guys so that they don't have to reinvent the wheel. Let them learn from our successes and failures. If you feel like someone is asking to be spoonfed, you have the right to not respond. If you want to respond, and do so by immediately treating someone like they're incompetent and stupid when they've done nothing to deserve such treatment, I for one would just as soon you keep it to yourself.

If you truly feel that what you said was out of line, why don't you just say "Sorry", instead of trying to explain away something that won't go away without your making it do so?

[Healey Nut]

why don't you just say "Sorry",

Klove if you took the time to read my whole post you would have seen that I did apologize in advance to P if I offended him and his reply was he "was not in the least " offended and only after further consideration changed his mind .
So in answer to your question NO I wont apologize because I already did.
As to your second point as to why I am on here .
I will help or provide information to anyone who provides clear accurate information ie
Make , Model , Serial #
A clear description of the problem they are having and what they have personally tried as a fix, Not just " its broke how do I fix it and whos got a manual "
The need for the description is two fold . A- you can tell by what the tech writes as to weather they have tried to fix the problem and B- if the tech has some experience and if they know what the hell they are talking about .
I will re-itterate that I have recieved personal thank you messages from techs that I have helped on here . Yes I can be a little abrupt but my no frills tell it like it is approach to helping techs on here is the way it is and if some people are offended in the process then so be it . I certainly will not loose any sleep over it .
Like I said in the beginning " I call a spade a spade "

[klove]

"I apologize in advance for calling you incompetent".

What a great guy.................

[heavymetaldad]

:couchhide:
Can I take off my blind fold now?

[york56]

:ghug:This is bringing a tear to my eye.

[klove]

I'm done here


:deadhorse: :yes::spitball:

[jayguy]

I'm done here


:deadhorse: :yes::spitball:

awwwwww! but it was just getting fun!:munching:

[triggerhappy]

Anyone have have a tear down manual?

Hey,

Have you got that machine apart yet?

I would be interested what has it locked up.

Picture if possible please.

[heavymetaldad]

Duh! It is broke!

[pringlel]

Hey,

Have you got that machine apart yet?

I would be interested what has it locked up.

Picture if possible please.

I will send some pictures, it locked up.

[triggerhappy]

Duh! It is broke!

Did you get the email this weekend.

If not check your spam box and or I will resend.

[triggerhappy]

I will send some pictures, it locked up.

Yeah, that does not look to good.

[pringlel]

Did you get the email this weekend.

If not check your spam box and or I will resend.

I did and do appreciate your efforts. Also it was good to learn about Gmail having the ability to receive large files. I may change me email here to Gmail.

[heavymetaldad]

Did you get the email this weekend.

If not check your spam box and or I will resend.

Yes, thank you.

[heavymetaldad]

So what am I looking at. Thrust went, and the wheel tore into the labyrinth? (or whatever Train calls them) or did someone shim the wheel a little too much? (haven't opened one of those yet) Lucky the blades are intact.

[triggerhappy]

I guess that we will know for sure the deeper he gets in, but my guess would be it sarted with the brg.

[acjourneyman]

Looks like loss of thrust but it also looks like that nut is not factory,is it possible that it was machined to big.

[Chiller Guy]

The edges of the impeller blades look worn indicating liquid impingment. It looks like the metal was worn off the blades and deposited on the outer ring of the impeller. Were the impeller and labyrinth seal fused together on the impeller nose? They look fairly clean. What was actually locking it up, bearings or fused metal? The nut looks factory. If you need an Imp, seals, bearings, (maybe motor overhaul)etc on a 30 yr old machine it may be time to move up to something newer
Camera comes in handy, huh?

[TAC Service]

I have more labor hours in reading this thread than Pringlel had in the overhaul.

[pringlel]

The edges of the impeller blades look worn indicating liquid impingment. It looks like the metal was worn off the blades and deposited on the outer ring of the impeller. Were the impeller and labyrinth seal fused together on the impeller nose? They look fairly clean. What was actually locking it up, bearings or fused metal? The nut looks factory. If you need an Imp, seals, bearings, (maybe motor overhaul)etc on a 30 yr old machine it may be time to move up to something newer
Camera comes in handy, huh?
The picture is deceiving What looks like waffer thin metal actually wipes off

[klove]

Kinda' dog is that, P? Them's some serious ears.....

[pringlel]

Kinda' dog is that, P? Them's some serious ears.....

He is a Decker Rat Terrier, who came from Eli Brown http://imageevent.com/bluegrassratterriers
He has been a joy :)

[heavymetaldad]

That is an interesting looking pooch, Pringle. How old?

[pringlel]

That is an interesting looking pooch, Pringle. How old?

He is about 6 -7 months in the picture , Now about 14 months.
He loves to watch TV :)

[87lt1monte]

I have a Rat Terrier, but what is a decker rat terrier? I live in maryland as well, what part of maryland is this chiller in? I posted a pic of my rat as well, i was told he was pure bred. Im not 100% sure if he is or not. You a 602 brother?

[Healey Nut]

:hijacked::pileon:Anyone wanna see my hamster

[87lt1monte]

haha !!! too funny! not trying to offend you by calling you *******. *******!

[pringlel]

I have a Rat Terrier, but what is a decker rat terrier? I live in maryland as well, what part of maryland is this chiller in? I posted a pic of my rat as well, i was told he was pure bred. Im not 100% sure if he is or not. You a 602 brother?
I am a 602 Stepbrother LU 486 :) I do a decent amount of work around Baltimore .
Decker Rat terriers where almost lost a few people hunted down the bloodlines and started actively breeding them. They are also known as Giant rat terriers
Milton Decker and others are many others have breed and kept this magnificent
blood line alive. Sorry as you can tell I like my dog Very smart easy to train and doesnt bark much,and very low maintenance. He truly is my kind of dog.
I am sure your little guy is equally special to you :)

[pringlel]

haha !!! too funny! not trying to offend you by calling you *******. *******!
I am sorry....... but thats actually pretty funny :cheers:

[allchlrstech]

check your email, I sent you the ctv-sg-1 cvhb/a servce guide.
sorry it took so long.

[triggerhappy]

:hijacked::pileon:Anyone wanna see my hamster
As a matter of fact......I would like to see your hamster!!!!!

[pringlel]

check your email, I sent you the ctv-sg-1 cvhb/a servce guide.
sorry it took so long.
Its starting to feel like Christmas, Thank you sir:cheers:

[jayguy]

As a matter of fact......I would like to see your hamster!!!!!

NO! NO! NO! he needs to keep his hamster in his pants.

or i could be mean...:det:

[Chiller Guy]

Putting all the critters aside for a moment, does anyone know what was actually seized on this machine?

[pringlel]

Putting all the critters aside for a moment, does anyone know what was actually seized on this machine?

Not yet its been moving pretty slow this is where i am at presently. Hopefully I can spend some time there is week :)

[klove]

Putting all the critters aside for a moment, does anyone know what was actually seized on this machine?

You can't just put 'em aside - dogs are people too, ya' know!! :D

[klove]

Not yet its been moving pretty slow this is where i am at presently. Hopefully I can spend some time there is week :)

There's your problem in that first pic - all that writin' on one side of the impeller threw the thing out of balance and wore out the bottom of the bearing......

[slb8101]

Putting all the critters aside for a moment, does anyone know what was actually seized on this machine?Just looking at the pictures I would have an eddy current test performed. It looks likes moisture and rust is what locked your machine.

[Chiller Guy]

Pringle,

Have you tried putting a spanner wrench on the impeller nut and spinning the shaft? Should go easy once you overpower the mass of the rotor, shaft and impellers. Starting to look like the motor bearings may be full of plateing or rust. Could they have gotten "washed out" from the liquid this thing was moving?

Klove.

Don't know about dogs being people, but some people are dogs! I dated some of them in my younger days.

[Healey Nut]

Well I have studied in depth all the inputed data and photographic evidence , and after many hrs of detailed microscopic analysis of the photos I then had to call upon my vast experience of having been deep inside many a PCV and have come to the following conclusion ..............


Its F&%@*!D:anyone:

But Klove could have something with the writing theory ???????????????????

[heavymetaldad]

:hijacked::pileon:Anyone wanna see my hamster

ha ha ha you laff!
True story............cooling tower fan hand grenaded. We were able to locate a replacement out of state, had it air freighted into O'Hare. I was told it was coming in at X o'clock, at terminal yz. Get that prop!.
Went to the airport early, met the receiving dude at the shipping company, reviewed what I was waiting for, and tlod him i'm gonna wait in the shade in the buggy. Checked every 15 minutes for shipment. Shift change, or lunch, whatever, the guy I met was gone, and a new dude came up to the truck, told me the shipment's here, pull up to overhead door abc.
I was in the back of the truck rearranging the junk when my partner burst out laughing.Turning to see what's up, a thousand beady little eye balls were staring at me thru vent holes in the crate they were attempting to load into the buggy. Turns out they mistook me for some one else, and was trying to give a crate full of ferrets.
I've always wondered what the black market would bear on 500 ferrets.

[york56]

:hijacked::pileon:Anyone wanna see my hamster

You know those hamsters can do some funny thing to those machines :munching:

[CumulusMech]

There's not an issue with thinking that someone may be in over their head and suggesting that they get experienced help. That's just an opinion, and oftentimes a correct one around here. (I believe that I can safely say it wouldn't be a correct one in the case of pringlel, but you wouldn't necessarily know that, and that's understandable.) There's not a problem with pointing someone in the right direction for what they may not be aware exists and expecting them to do their own legwork. I, like you, never liked someone to use me for an encyclopedia because they were too lazy to put their own effort into it and wanted it handed to them. (Another thing that I believe that we can safely say is not the case with P.)

Those things are not what's at issue, from my viewpoint. What's at issue is that you called another man incompetent simply because he asked for a service manual. That would fly straight in the face of proper decorum even if it were true, which it's not. I don't think that it would do any good to go back over all the really good reasons for having a service manual that folks have pointed out in this thread, but there have been many, and, as Kevin Bacon said in "A Few Good Men", they are indisputable.

So it comes down to this: If you don't like sharing what you've accumulated over the years, why are you here at all? That's what this place is about - the sharing of info for the good of the industry and each other. We have to be careful sometimes, and sometimes we have to hope that folks are qualified to use what they are given, but overall, it's about helping folks that want help, and sharing what it's taken the you's and the me's of the world 30 or 40 years to learn and being willing to share it with the younger guys so that they don't have to reinvent the wheel. Let them learn from our successes and failures. If you feel like someone is asking to be spoonfed, you have the right to not respond. If you want to respond, and do so by immediately treating someone like they're incompetent and stupid when they've done nothing to deserve such treatment, I for one would just as soon you keep it to yourself.

If you truly feel that what you said was out of line, why don't you just say "Sorry", instead of trying to explain away something that won't go away without your making it do so?

bingo

[pringlel]

Not looking real good for the bearing, Have a few pictures.

[triggerhappy]

Not looking real good for the bearing, Have a few pictures.

Once the machine has been fed enough oil and reset enough times the babbit smears into the oil galleries and you have oil pres. again you have a real problem.

I have seen shafts cut down 1\2 deep and the machine keeps spinning.

[Chiller Guy]

Considering the age and other issues, how does the customer feel about a new machine? Or maybe a newer used machine?

On a positive note - The thrust face dosen't appear too bad off (ha). Have you pulled the other bearing yet?

Based on what you have reported and what I am seeing, I am going to go with oil dilution!

[cperk]

Not looking real good for the bearing, Have a few pictures.

Crazy question, was oil supply gally on outer race installed in the correct position, on last rebuild? Does it have dowel pin? I guess surely it does to keep outer race from spinning. Sorry I don't have a teardown of this machine either.

[jayguy]

Not looking real good for the bearing, Have a few pictures.

OHHHH! and he wipes the bearing! this chiller is toast!

well maybe.

how deep are the labrynth seal grooves? do they wipe off? mic that journal yet?

[pringlel]

Crazy question, was oil supply gally on outer race installed in the correct position, on last rebuild? Does it have dowel pin? I guess surely it does to keep outer race from spinning. Sorry I don't have a teardown of this machine either.

The oil ports on the bearings where at 3 and 9 o clock, The bearing is bolted in preventing it from moving.

[pringlel]

OHHHH! and he wipes the bearing! this chiller is toast!

well maybe.

how deep are the labrynth seal grooves? do they wipe off? mic that journal yet?

Jay I may not get a chance to check it , looks like we are submitting a price to rebuild it with new seals. A motor company is coming out to check the shaft out. It was all stop work even before i got the bearing out, but my hearing is starting to fail the older i get :whistle:

[cperk]

The oil ports on the bearings where at 3 and 9 o clock, The bearing is bolted in preventing it from moving.

O.K. good pic.

[dave50]

Nice pics man. I've got a couple of grinders that I try to work on once in a while. Neat little machines. Tried to get info from local trane got me a 17 page manual on how to change the oil and crap. Good stuff.
I know it's a dead horse and i'm new but the way this thread started off was crappy. I'm new to the chiller world(2 1/2) years with JCI, with 8 years in the trade before that, and 8 years in the car bussiness before that. I've always tried to go out of my way to help a guy with the hope that if I need something that he'll be there for me. There was always that guy though that when you ask for help you get that kind of answer. I've always thought of that as a generation thing. I don't know just me. Sorry to butt in.

[dave50]

oops

[Chet1508]

allchlrstech,

Can you or anyone else on this site, please send me a copy of the service manual for a PVC chiller. My email is in my profile

Thank you, Chet





check your email, I sent you the ctv-sg-1 cvhb/a servce guide.
sorry it took so long.

[Trane_Dude]

Sindwinders can be a little tricky to teardown and put back together properly. In my early days at Trane I tore down quite a few, but I had the advantage of working with someone who knew what they were doing. If you have never torn down a sidewinder I would advise not doing so.

If it is truly locked up than likely the machine has encountered a major bearing failure and has major impeller/rotor damage. Fixing a sidewinder with these problems would be cost-prohibitive given the age ofthe machine.

Edit: Got lost on the thread length. Good luck now that you're in it :)