Get over it people!

[thermojohn]

Seems like a lot of time in here spent arguing over who is better to run our country. Sound like a bunch of children in here fighting a mute point. Face it, with all the facts, they both are liars.

Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.

The ball is already in momentum: A war started in a country based on lies about WMD. The lies to cover it up and sidestep the issue. Meanwhile more and more nations are losing respect for our once great nation. What about the soaring deficit? And all the other major problems our country is dealing with?

I don't see the situation improving as long as greed and dishonesty are the prerequisites for our polititians.

[JMP]

Originally posted by thermojohn
Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.



Our country is in great shape compared to other nations or should I say most. John Kerry wants the American people to think we are in bad shape so he can remedy it. Create a problem out of thin air then attempt to solve it with your agenda.

[bootlen]

Originally posted by thermojohn
Seems like a lot of time in here spent arguing over who is better to run our country. Sound like a bunch of children in here fighting a mute point. Face it, with all the facts, they both are liars.

Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.

The ball is already in momentum: A war started in a country based on lies about WMD. The lies to cover it up and sidestep the issue. Meanwhile more and more nations are losing respect for our once great nation. What about the soaring deficit? And all the other major problems our country is dealing with?

I don't see the situation improving as long as greed and dishonesty are the prerequisites for our polititians.



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It is obvious you either don't know the definition of "lie/liar" or you believe them.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by thermojohn
Seems like a lot of time in here spent arguing over who is better to run our country. Sound like a bunch of children in here fighting a mute point. Face it, with all the facts, they both are liars.

Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.

The ball is already in momentum: A war started in a country based on lies about WMD. The lies to cover it up and sidestep the issue. Meanwhile more and more nations are losing respect for our once great nation. What about the soaring deficit? And all the other major problems our country is dealing with?

I don't see the situation improving as long as greed and dishonesty are the prerequisites for our polititians.



get over yourself!! You're a typical dumb ass dumb****crat doom and gloom crybaby.

get your head out of your ass and take a look outside. The sun is shinning, the birds are chirping, and the grass is green.

[johnl45]

Originally posted by thermojohn
Seems like a lot of time in here spent arguing over who is better to run our country. Sound like a bunch of children in here fighting a mute point. Face it, with all the facts, they both are liars.
Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.
The ball is already in momentum: A war started in a country based on lies about WMD. The lies to cover it up and sidestep the issue. Meanwhile more and more nations are losing respect for our once great nation. What about the soaring deficit? And all the other major problems our country is dealing with?
I don't see the situation improving as long as greed and dishonesty are the prerequisites for our polititians.
Get ready for the name calling as this board is full of right-wing nut cases.

[bb]

Originally posted by thermojohn
Seems like a lot of time in here spent arguing over who is better to run our country. Sound like a bunch of children in here fighting a mute point. Face it, with all the facts, they both are liars.

Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.

The ball is already in momentum: A war started in a country based on lies about WMD. The lies to cover it up and sidestep the issue. Meanwhile more and more nations are losing respect for our once great nation. What about the soaring deficit? And all the other major problems our country is dealing with?

I don't see the situation improving as long as greed and dishonesty are the prerequisites for our polititians.



Why You ^&^&*& .. ONLY KIDDING ! :)


Lie or no Lie we had every right to go into Iraq as provided in the resolutions of the U.N. !

That's All .

[woods mech]

Yeah all you democrats are right "the Sky is Falling and only John Kerry can save us". Like he saved Rassman after knocking him off the back of his boat because he was running away.
John Kerry is using the same tactics Clinton used in 92. Make up all kinds of stories about how bad the economy is and how everyone is starving and how Kerry will magically fix everything and heal all the wounds that we dirty Americans have caused in the world. Demonize the president even tho the congress controls all the spending.
And oh by the way Kerry hasn't accomplished anything other than fake a lot of after action reports, get awarded bogus medals, demoralize our troops by giving aid and comfort to the viet cong, get elected to the senate, and marry two rich women. Yeah he'll make a great Commander in Chief. He makes Clinton look like honest Abe.

[thermojohn]

Chill out, Oh Dude of Infinite Wisdom. Life is great! I have a very profitable air conditioning business, I love what I do for a living, I have a wonderful family, and am glad to be lucky enough to live in a free country. I'm also Republican by the way.

If one can't see the greed, egotism, and dishonesty in our American politics (Democrat or Republican), and the result of it, then who is it that has their head up their ass? You don't sometimes get embarrassed or ashamed about some of the things that the representatives of our country do? Or is it unpatriotic to think or admit it?

[hvacbear]

I love to hear people preach the doom and gloom we are about to face, and how America is going to hell in a hand basket with gasoline britches on. We are spiraling out of control and no one can do any thing about it. (Yes America is not perfect, but neither are you or I and we are America.)

Then they do not vote or do anything to make the place better (I am talking about members of my own family here so don’t get too overheated). They complain about everything yet are perfectly content to stay in America.

I have a good idea for the people who don’t like the way things are going.
1. Register to vote then you have some say even if it is only the lesser of two evils

2. Do something constructive to help someone else.
It is absolutely amazing how wonderful your wife will seem after. Someone who’s wife cheated on him while he was at war in Iraq for six months cried his eyes out in your house.
After you console someone who just lost a child to leukemia and their child’s last word were “Help me Daddy” all of a sudden the greed of politicians doesn’t seem so important. In general your life will seem much better

3. Join the armed forces and defend people’s right to have a stupid opinion, vote etc. See the reasons why we fight some wars. I personally don’t mind going to fight overseas it means my children will never have to see a tank roll down the street.

4. If any of the above doesn’t appeal to you, you are perfectly free to leave this country.
I would only suggest it on a trial basis. Because once you actually see how the rest of the world lives you will be back very quickly simply because we are the best in the world here in America.

For some reason everyone else in the world is trying to get here I guess it is to see how bad the corruption really is. I for one will not let America go down with out a fight I hope that you can say the same!

[woods mech]

I'm really tired of the direction this country is sliding and yes I am ashamed of our crooked politicians. Being a vet and in the military I feel it is a slap in the face that Kerry is even considered as presidential material considering his antiwar/antimilitary history. But this country has a history of slapping the vets in the face and then acting as tho they appreciate us when they need us. I am also a registered republican but I don't consider myself tied to the republican party because they are not representing their base (which is conservative) anymore. The democrats have totally slid into socialism and are no longer the party they once were under John F. Kennedy. So what to do? A third party vote is a waste considering the way the electoral system is set up. That how we got Clinton in office. I will vote the lesser of two evils and vote for Bush. He's not perfect but he's better than Kerry. At least he served honorably and didn't piss on his fellow vets and help the enemy. He was my governor and he is a good man not anything like he is portrayed by the leftist media. The single most important issue of this election is the war on terror. We have to win. There is no negotiating with terrorists. No such thing as a sensitive war. We don't need a president that will change his mind every time the political wind blows. Kerry has flip flopped so many times he has no credibility.

[bobby7388]

Originally posted by thermojohn
Seems like a lot of time in here spent arguing over who is better to run our country. Sound like a bunch of children in here fighting a mute point. Face it, with all the facts, they both are liars.

Our beloved country is in sad shape and it's going to get sadder no matter who of the two is in command.

The ball is already in momentum: A war started in a country based on lies about WMD. The lies to cover it up and sidestep the issue. Meanwhile more and more nations are losing respect for our once great nation. What about the soaring deficit? And all the other major problems our country is dealing with?

I don't see the situation improving as long as greed and dishonesty are the prerequisites for our polititians.




That argument is as old as the nation is, time in again people complain about the state of affairs, yet this is the norm. Wars start, countries hate us, politician are crooked, the dificit is out of control.
Just go back in time and you'll see that the more things change the more they stay the same, nothing new here, and you'll not change anything so just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[woods mech]

There were no lies about WMD. Saddam had them and he used them before. He was actively seeking nuclear capabilities. We have found precursors to nerve agents in Iraq. There were no lies to cover it up. We were not mistaken to take Saddam out if we had conducted a more aggressive war in Iraq and not let the leftist media influence our decisions we wouldn't have the terrorist problem there we have now. The media has reported we have found stockpiles of insecticides in Iraq. Well duh... That is what nerve agent is. They just reported as insecticide to bolster the lie that were no WMDs. The only people lying and twisting the truth is the media.

[acmanko]

Sounds like Bush and his WMD's.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by thermojohn
I'm also Republican by the way.



Ohh, well then I take back all the dumb****crat insults:D

But you are wrong to say Bush or anyone but saddam lied about WMD.

And this is a great nation. Just because other governments (if you want to call them that) don't like us it doesn't mean we are wrong and need to acquiesce.

[sodadude]

Read the below quote several times over until it sinks in.
This quote was shamelessly lifted from quote bar:

"Through unity of action we can be a veritable colossus in support of peace. No one can defeat us unless we first defeat ourselves. Every one of us must be guided by this truth." - General Dwight Davi Eisenhower


Reread the last sentence. Every one of us.....

Memo to all liberals: The above quote IS HOW to defeat terrorism in the world. Get it?

[ozone drone]

Ike also warned about the threat of the Military/Industrial Complex taking over and guiding the nation. It must have been a notion that really concerned him.

[ozone drone]

Loving and appreciating the freedoms of this country is not the same thing as having to be a mindless yes man and rubber stamp agreeing with the policies of our government or the present administration. To you Love it or leave it
a-holes...UP Yours.

I paid for my right to criticize with 5 1/2 years of active military service. I have 2 sons on Active military at this minute. My father was too old for WWII so he built the ships and my mother was a Rosie the Riveter. I had 2 uncles in WWI. My Grandfather survived a minnie ball in the Civil War. and I have 2 Great Great granfathers who were Captains in the Revolutonary War.

They and myself served so that ANYONE whether they served or not can express their opinions.

F You very Much!

[bobby7388]

You don't have to be a "yes man" to see the fear in peolpe, the eneptness of some political parties trying to gather the people into a state of mass confusion.
The democrates are trying to make you believe that they can do it better in all aspects of what the nation needs, well I don't buy it.
Something is going to give, and what will that be? our security.
John Kerry does not come across as a strong and decisive leader.
He believes that the world will start liking us again if only he can become president, that they'll come to our aid and send troops to die in Iraq. Do you really believe that France, Germany and Russia really have the same thoughts as Kerry?

Kerry gives a timeline of withdrawl from Iraq, why not just hand them the keys right now? History will hold true that you cannot tell the otherside of your plans. He wants to be our Commander-in-Chief, yet tells the world of our plans to withdrawl openly, bad mistake. If politics are going to sway him on his decisions then I say no thanks.
Kerry is more dangerous for this nation than Bush ever can be.

Some dis-like Bush, some just plain out hate him, so they lean to the other party for reason usually unknown to them.
Vote as you wish, it's your right to endanger America.

[woods mech]

Yes ozone they have the freedom to say whatever they want but they also have a responsibility not to go out and mindlessly repeat lies and propaganda. Freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility. I served 6 yrs active and so far 3 yrs reserve time on a 6 yr hitch. My Dad was a WWII vet and retired from the Navy. So did my granddad. My uncle was a Masterchief with 30 yrs in the reserves. I know my family back in the Civil war was on the losing side. As far as being a vet or not when someone speaks about military issues and they have no experience in the military they make fools of themselves. I don't mind when people disagree with policies but when they repeat lies and propaganda fed to them from the left then I have a problem.
There were no lies about WMD just ask the Kurds or Iranians. Bush did serve honorably in the Air National Guard. Kerry negated whatever good he did in his four months in vietnam by returning home and lying about his fellow soldiers and assisting the viet cong in their propanganda war. He wants us to somehow look back at 4 months of service (which now we find out was all made up) and forget his last 35 yrs of dishonorable conduct.
I think not. Even if by some stretch of the imagination he was the war hero he is trying to portray. Just his last 35 years is enough to disqualify him in my book.

[ozone drone]

I'm not a Kerry supporter. I've said in two other threads/postings that I'll have to sit this election out because I cannot in good conscience choose either candidate.
Some have expressed the opinion that by not voting, it negates my right to complain or criticize. If not voting makes me a loser in some people's opinion ...oh well.

Kim finds him/herself in nearly the same boat and has decided to use McCain's endorsement of Bush as a good enough reason to vote for Bush , because he trusts McCain's character enough to follow him. It's really not Bush so much that I'm leery of. It's the Cheyney,Rumsfeld,Wolfowitz
Rice crowd whispering in his ear that nauseates me.

When a candidate shows up that I can leave the voting booth without feeling like I just left a whorehouse, then you can bet I'll use that right that so many have sacrificed so much to give us. Until that time, I have the right to choose not to vote without giving up my right to criticize (not blame everyone who did vote, but bemoan the direction the politicians are taking the country) I'll still vote for State, County offices...I still have a choice when it comes to who my local dog catcher will be.

[rob10]

You may not like Bush but a vote for him will help keep the scum out of office who promote gay lifestyle and abortion. Think about it for a second. The dumbocrat machine is made up totally of mental cases who have no business running our business.

[Edited by rob10 on 08-22-2004 at 12:04 PM]

[johnl45]

Originally posted by rob10
You may not like Bush but a vote for him will help keep the scum out of office who promote gay lifestyle and abortion. Think about it for a second. The dumbocrat machine is made up totally of mental cases who have no business running our business.

[Edited by rob10 on 08-22-2004 at 12:04 PM]
You see that's the problem, you think your right and everyone else is wrong. To you narrow-minded right-wingers the whole thing is about abortion and gays. The guy could be a liar and a crook and you’d still support him because of his position on cultural issues. You have the right to believe whatever you want but that’s not good enough for you self-righteous people who think anyone with a different view is somehow inferior.

[rob10]

Someone who promotes the murder of innocent children is a smart thing to do???? NOT in this lifetime or the next!!!! Backing someone who caters to the degenerates of society?? NO WAY!!! Maybe the germans and french need him. We DON"T!! This idiot has the less than the brain cells of a slug to want OUR election to be overseen by the UN!! BAWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! And Edwards typifies what is wrong with our civil judicial system. SCUM SUCKING LAWYERS!!

All the above would be a valid point against voting for the dumbocrats.

[Edited by rob10 on 08-22-2004 at 03:00 PM]

[hvacbear]

I would thaink that Germany and France supporting a candidate would be enough to make anyone not vote for him.:)

[bb]

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by rob10
You may not like Bush but a vote for him will help keep the scum out of office who promote gay lifestyle and abortion. Think about it for a second. The dumbocrat machine is made up totally of mental cases who have no business running our business.

[Edited by rob10 on 08-22-2004 at 12:04 PM]
You see that's the problem, you think your right and everyone else is wrong. To you narrow-minded right-wingers the whole thing is about abortion and gays. The guy could be a liar and a crook and you’d still support him because of his position on cultural issues. You have the right to believe whatever you want but that’s not good enough for you self-righteous people who think anyone with a different view is somehow inferior.


Are You Gay or an Abortion doctor?

[drcustom]

MOOT, M-O-O-T point

[hvacbear]

Originally posted by ozone drone
I'm not a Kerry supporter. I've said in two other threads/postings that I'll have to sit this election out because I cannot in good conscience choose either candidate.
Some have expressed the opinion that by not voting, it negates my right to complain or criticize. If not voting makes me a loser in some people's opinion ...oh well.


Kim finds him/herself in nearly the same boat and has decided to use McCain's endorsement of Bush as a good enough reason to vote for Bush , because he trusts McCain's character enough to follow him. It's really not Bush so much that I'm leery of. It's the Cheyney,Rumsfeld,Wolfowitz
Rice crowd whispering in his ear that nauseates me.

When a candidate shows up that I can leave the voting booth without feeling like I just left a whorehouse, then you can bet I'll use that right that so many have sacrificed so much to give us. Until that time, I have the right to choose not to vote without giving up my right to criticize (not blame everyone who did vote, but bemoan the direction the politicians are taking the country) I'll still vote for State, County offices...I still have a choice when it comes to who my local dog catcher will be.

If you were on a ship that was headed in one of two directions both not being desireable the worst you could do is sit down and not steer. Picking the lesser of two evils is not a cop out.
However....

I do support your right to do nothing if you so choose.

That is what makes America great we allow people reasonable personal freedoms. You and I have paid for these rights and we should excercize them even if we offend each other.

[ozone drone]

[i]Originally posted by hvacbear

If you were on a ship that was headed in one of two directions both not being desireable the worst you could do is sit down and not steer. Picking the lesser of two evils is not a cop out.
However....

I do support your right to do nothing if you so choose.

That is what makes America great we allow people reasonable personal freedoms. You and I have paid for these rights and we should excercize them even if we offend each other. [/B]

That's a good analogy Bear. In that light, not choosing between the two looks stupid. Is it any wonder in this system we have where any candidate's entire life is disected
and examined under a microscope ,that nobody with half a brain would want to open themselves up to that kind of scrutiny?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by johnl45

Originally posted by rob10
You may not like Bush but a vote for him will help keep the scum out of office who promote gay lifestyle and abortion. Think about it for a second. The dumbocrat machine is made up totally of mental cases who have no business running our business.

[Edited by rob10 on 08-22-2004 at 12:04 PM]
You see that's the problem, you think your right and everyone else is wrong. To you narrow-minded right-wingers the whole thing is about abortion and gays. The guy could be a liar and a crook and you’d still support him because of his position on cultural issues. You have the right to believe whatever you want but that’s not good enough for you self-righteous people who think anyone with a different view is somehow inferior.

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I voted for Carter because of his supposed character. Turns out I was wrong about him, too.

I considered Clinton in his first bid but his platform changed my mind. By the end of his first term, I was sure I'd made a correct decision in eventually voting for Bush, Sr. I could not believe it when we put the idiot back in a 2nd term. Clinton had NO character...zip, nil, zero. Now, we are faced with another face-off between one who much character and one who hasn't a clue about the definition of character. This is an easy choice for me...W. He has more integrity in his pinky nail than Clinton and Kerry have added together. And even that ain't sayin' much.

[woods mech]

OZONE,
I understand your frustration with this election. However I don't agree with sitting out the election that only hurts the country in the long run. I do not agree with all of Bush's policies but I think he is a better person than Kerry. Kerry is a liar and a waffle and hasn't done a good job in the senate. He missed 2/3 of all the votes and when he did show up to vote he voted against the military and for leftist issues. Just what he did in 1971 when he came back from Vietnam is enough to disqualify him in my book.

W04

[ozone drone]

Originally posted by woods mech
OZONE,
I understand your frustration with this election. However I don't agree with sitting out the election that only hurts the country in the long run. I do not agree with all of Bush's policies but I think he is a better person than Kerry. Kerry is a liar and a waffle and hasn't done a good job in the senate. He missed 2/3 of all the votes and when he did show up to vote he voted against the military and for leftist issues. Just what he did in 1971 when he came back from Vietnam is enough to disqualify him in my book.

W04

You're right Woody,.....Kerry is a feather in the winds of the polls. And the Vietnam stuff does suck...A friend of mine earned his medals and purple hearts walkin point with a recon platoon. An rpgkilled the 2 guys right behind him and took out a big chunk of his right shoulder. I might use Kim's logic "If McCain can support him ..that shows somethin.