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woods mech

08-18-2004, 07:50 PM

1st purple heart earned for a self inflicted wound when he threw a grenade to close and it ricocheted and a small piece of shrapnel lodged in his armwas a difficult operation involving forceps and a bandaid to patch him up.
2nd purple heart another self inflicted wound caused when Kerry threw a grenade in a mound of rice and was hit in the hip by flying rice.
3rd purple heart the hero JFK bumped his ass against the pilot house on his boat when it accelerated and he was thrown off balance.
Bronze Star earned when he was involved in a fire fight and threw a soldier of the back of the boat when he accelerated the boat too fast running away from the action and leaving the other swiftboats in the fire fight. Of course JFK the true hero lied on his after action report and made himself out to be a hero.
Silver Star earned when JFK opened fire on a family sampan killing the father and son. Then JFK lied on the after action report and said there were 5 VC in the boat firing at him.
JFK was such a hero he did it all within 4 months when most
every Swift boat vet served a minimum of 1 year in Vietnam.
What a hero compared to Bush who was a fighter jet pilot for 5 years and put his life on the line every time he flied.

infwsdm

08-18-2004, 07:57 PM

and now some people want to reward him, after he came back and betrayed his fellow soldiers and the country, with the presidency.

"they cut of arms, legs, and heads....ohh I didn't actually see these things happen........."

kerry-what a mess

motorboy1

08-19-2004, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by woods mech
1st purple heart earned for a self inflicted wound when he threw a grenade to close and it ricocheted and a small piece of shrapnel lodged in his armwas a difficult operation involving forceps and a bandaid to patch him up.
2nd purple heart another self inflicted wound caused when Kerry threw a grenade in a mound of rice and was hit in the hip by flying rice.
3rd purple heart the hero JFK bumped his ass against the pilot house on his boat when it accelerated and he was thrown off balance.
Bronze Star earned when he was involved in a fire fight and threw a soldier of the back of the boat when he accelerated the boat too fast running away from the action and leaving the other swiftboats in the fire fight. Of course JFK the true hero lied on his after action report and made himself out to be a hero.
Silver Star earned when JFK opened fire on a family sampan killing the father and son. Then JFK lied on the after action report and said there were 5 VC in the boat firing at him.
JFK was such a hero he did it all within 4 months when most
every Swift boat vet served a minimum of 1 year in Vietnam.
What a hero compared to Bush who was a fighter jet pilot for 5 years and put his life on the line every time he flied.

If you believe ANY of that bullsh!t, you're even stupider than you seem. Moron.

ozone drone

08-19-2004, 05:09 AM

This election I'll have to not vote. In protest of not seeing ANY candidate that I could get a good night's sleep knowing I voted for them.

Woody, you got TONS of good arguments against Kerry the Flake .... but, at least the guy was in the neighborhood of flying bullets, instead of belting back a few at a stateside O club during his one weekend a month.

Bush does have the nads to back up his convictions.
Hell, Bush DOES HAVE convictions!

You're 100% right that Kerry's convictions change with the latest poll. Not only does he talk out of both sides of his mouth, he talks out of his ass too.

Paintin W as a hero is for flyin his jet is a pretty far stretch.

When I see a democratic convention with all their little wacko splinter groups like "Lesbian Teachers for Overnight Education" and "Polish midgets for free everything" I wanna puke.

When I see W's group of advisors with all that testosterone and no brains, I wanna puke.

When the country comes up with a candidate....I might consider voting again.

Irascible

08-19-2004, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by motorboy1
If you believe ANY of that bullsh!t, you're even stupider than you seem. Moron.Check your facts. Kerry supplied Douglas Brinkley his journals and letters for the propagandist book "Tour of Duty". Kerry's personal war diary stated that he had not yet been under enemy fire nine days AFTER he later claimed to have been in order to get his first phony purple heart. It's a matter of public record from Kerry's own hand.

Furthermore, the actual doctor's who treated him have signed affidavits that the injuries Kerry received were nothing more than scratches and in some cases self-inflicted. Kerry has HUNDREDS of lawyers working for his campaign. Such affidavits would be an open and shut case in a slander suit if they were false. Swift Boat Vets for the Truth could be put out of business in dramatic fashion and the media could use it to give Republicans a black eye IF THEY WERE LYING! But they are not and no suit has been filed. As is typical of the oppressors of free thought (the Democratic Party), Kerry's lawyers instead threatened various media outlets with lawsuits if they ran the Swift Boat Vet's commercials. They and Kerry are COWARDS.

Care to argue with Kerry's own written words? Care to call me a moron too when the people who were literally on the same boat with him (save the two left wing shills), the many dozens who saw him day in and day out in his unit, as well as the doctor's who personally treated him all call him a fraud? It's ironic that someone with such blind support for a proven fraud would call someone else a moron.

bootlen

08-19-2004, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Irascible

Originally posted by motorboy1
If you believe ANY of that bullsh!t, you're even stupider than you seem. Moron.Check your facts. Kerry supplied Douglas Brinkley his journals and letters for the propagandist book "Tour of Duty". Kerry's personal war diary stated that he had not yet been under enemy fire nine days AFTER he later claimed to have been in order to get his first phony purple heart. It's a matter of public record from Kerry's own hand.

Furthermore, the actual doctor's who treated him have signed affidavits that the injuries Kerry received were nothing more than scratches and in some cases self-inflicted. Kerry has HUNDREDS of lawyers working for his campaign. Such affidavits would be an open and shut case in a slander suit if they were false. Swift Boat Vets for the Truth could be put out of business in dramatic fashion and the media could use it to give Republicans a black eye IF THEY WERE LYING! But they are not and no suit has been filed. As is typical of the oppressors of free thought (the Democratic Party), Kerry's lawyers instead threatened various media outlets with lawsuits if they ran the Swift Boat Vet's commercials. They and Kerry are COWARDS.

Care to argue with Kerry's own written words? Care to call me a moron too when the people who were literally on the same boat with him (save the two left wing shills), the many dozens who saw him day in and day out in his unit, as well as the doctor's who personally treated him all call him a fraud? It's ironic that someone with such blind support for a proven fraud would call someone else a moron.

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Hey motorboy!

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woods mech

08-19-2004, 01:51 PM

Your ignorance of facts and your reply does more to ridicule you than anything I could say.

W04

Ozone,
I agree that Bush isn't the perfect candidate but compared to Kerry he is the logical choice. Our election system is only set up to allow for a two party election so I cannot vote for a third party candidate and I cannot justify sitting this one out. Of course we know Bush will win our state so I guess if I sat this one out in protest it wouldn't influence the outcome anyway. I do share in your disgust of the lack of better candidates but I do believe Bush is a good man and not a hero for his reserve duty but he did put his neck on the line flying those jets and he did his duty. Kerry's conduct after he came home negated anything he did in the 4 months he was in vietnam and now thanks to the swiftvets we find out that his service was less than honorable in vietnam also. Kerry has not supported the military as a senator and has missed the majority of the votes so he has not served honorably as a senator either.

kim

08-19-2004, 04:30 PM

I just wish there would be ONE candidate in my lifetime that I could vote for. Every presidential election, I voted against somebody. My first choice has never won the primary.

rob10

08-19-2004, 06:57 PM

Not only would we have him in D.C. but the whole danged dumbocratic circus would show up. Dumbocrats have short term memory loss by not remembering the likes of lesbo Janet Reno. One reporter stated that Kerry's wife is a worse loon than Hitlary!!

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rob10

08-19-2004, 07:33 PM

Janet Reno,
the shaky underbelly of
the Department of Injustice.

Janet Reno shakes so bad, ...
the last time she tried to give a salute she lost an ear.
her manicurist uses body straps and curare.
her photo ops require ISO 1000 film.
her passport photo has three heads.
she trims her hedges with her finger nails.
they gave her three zip codes.
Q: Why does Janet Reno use a bidet?
A: The last time she tried to wipe her ass she needed a skin graft.

Knock, Knock.
Who's there?
Nobody, it was just Janet Reno trying to hold down the podium.

I hate to imagine what it's like standing next to Janet Reno at a urinal but if she ever tries to open a beer can, duck and cover.

Q: How many attorney generals does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Only one but you'll need a roll of duct tape and a guide wire.

If you have a problem with being related to apes, wait until you hear you're sharing a species with Janet Reno.

All Janet Reno needs is a good woman.
Q: What do Janet Reno and James Bond have in common?
A: They both like their drinks "shaken not stirred."
Knock, Knock.
Who's there?
Janet Reno's balls.
Women don't have balls.
Ok, Clinton's balls under new management.

If you doubt dog is man's best friend, try letting Janet Reno dry hump your leg.

Q: Why doesn't Janet Reno drink milk?
A: It turns to butter before it reaches her mouth.

If modern science can immobilize an atom, why can't they at least reduce Janet Reno to a mild shimmy?

Q: What is the difference between FDR and Bill Clinton?
A: Frank needed his Attorney General to shake his willie and Slick Willie can't stop his Attorney General from shaking.

You hostile bastards., you wouldn't think twice about stuffing a blind man's guide dog and putting roller skates on it but you want my willie on pike for laughing at a couple of gimps.

April 25, 2000 Byrum Web Site Webmaster: The Web Walker

rob10

08-19-2004, 07:46 PM

Saddam's son was on it

http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/hvac/115539_hillary_150.jpg

air1

08-19-2004, 08:23 PM

How can anyone who supports a person who used his fathers connections to avoid going to Vietnam, go awol, fail to report for a physical because he couldn't pass a drug test, had military records destroyed to cover up who knows what, have the audacity to criticize a person who volunteered to go to Vietnam when he didn't have to?

You guys are real hypocrites.

Your position is indefensible and demonstrates your lack of critical thinking and ignorance.

Bush and Cheeny are frauds who did not have courage to go to war themselves but dare to criticize a man who did.

One of the persons who supports Kerry is the guy who fell from the boat that Kerry went back to pick up. He happens to be a Republican. All of the other persons who criticize Kerry are strong Republican supporters. If they were non partizan then the might be credible. But they are not so you have to be skeptical of their statements.

bootlen

08-19-2004, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by air1
How can anyone who supports a person who used his fathers connections to avoid going to Vietnam, go awol, fail to report for a physical because he couldn't pass a drug test, had military records destroyed to cover up who knows what, have the audacity to criticize a person who volunteered to go to Vietnam when he didn't have to?

You guys are real hypocrites.

Your position is indefensible and demonstrates your lack of critical thinking and ignorance.

Bush and Cheeny are frauds who did not have courage to go to war themselves but dare to criticize a man who did.

One of the persons who supports Kerry is the guy who fell from the boat that Kerry went back to pick up. He happens to be a Republican. All of the other persons who criticize Kerry are strong Republican supporters. If they were non partizan then the might be credible. But they are not so you have to be skeptical of their statements.

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Okie-dokie, here's #4 for the oven. I didn't know there were so many who can't read.

duckman373

08-19-2004, 10:59 PM

infwsdm

08-19-2004, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by air1
How can anyone who supports a person who used his fathers connections to avoid going to Vietnam, go awol, fail to report for a physical because he couldn't pass a drug test, had military records destroyed to cover up who knows what, have the audacity to criticize a person who volunteered to go to Vietnam when he didn't have to?

You guys are real hypocrites.

Your position is indefensible and demonstrates your lack of critical thinking and ignorance.

Bush and Cheeny are frauds who did not have courage to go to war themselves but dare to criticize a man who did.

One of the persons who supports Kerry is the guy who fell from the boat that Kerry went back to pick up. He happens to be a Republican. All of the other persons who criticize Kerry are strong Republican supporters. If they were non partizan then the might be credible. But they are not so you have to be skeptical of their statements.

Bush didn't crticize kerry for going to vietnam, in fact Bush said "it was noble"

ya goofball.

talk about lack of critical thinking skills....you top the list on that one.

Irascible

08-20-2004, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by air1
All of the other persons who criticize Kerry are strong Republican supporters. If they were non partizan then the might be credible.Only one out of 23 of Kerry's fellow Officers in Charge support Kerry. So 97% of Kerry's fellow OIC's are strong Republican supporters, ay?

Over 250 swift boat vets are on record questioning Kerry. 13 support him. So 95% of swift boat vets in general are strong Republican supporters, ay?

The ENTIRE chain of command questions Kerry. So 100% of his superior officers are strong Republican supporters, ay?

WOW! Kerry sure was unlucky. Half the country leans to the left and half to the right. Yet Kerry magically got better than 95% Republican shills all around him in Vietnam. Or perhaps the truth is that those vets are no different than the rest of the country in terms of political orientation. It's just that Kerry disgusts them so much that they're willing to let go of party politics and do what's right.

The 13 that support Kerry are certainly doing what's right for them. They get to travel all over the country and stay in luxury hotels courtesy of the DNC. Yeah... they're certainly unbiased. :rolleyes:

ozone drone

08-20-2004, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Irascible

The ENTIRE chain of command questions Kerry. So 100% of his superior officers are strong Republican supporters, ay?

WOW! Kerry sure was unlucky. Half the country leans to the left and half to the right. Yet Kerry magically got better than 95% Republican shills all around him in Vietnam. Or perhaps the truth is that those vets are no different than the rest of the country in terms of political orientation. It's just that Kerry disgusts them so much that they're willing to let go of party politics and do what's right.

The 13 that support Kerry are certainly doing what's right for them. They get to travel all over the country and stay in luxury hotels courtesy of the DNC. Yeah... they're certainly unbiased. :rolleyes: [/B]

Career military officers don't tend to be feel good liberals
I hardly think it would be a fifty fifty liberal/conservative split with that demographic.

As for the enlisted guys who got out of the Navy....all middle aged males ...again hardly a liberal demographic.

democratic/liberal types are women and school teachers

veterans tend to be very conservative.

air1

08-20-2004, 02:16 PM

How do you guys feel about Bush's service record?

woods mech

08-20-2004, 02:55 PM

Air1,
Bush served out his committment and did what he was supposed to do. Flying fighter jets is not easy nor is it safe. Also Bush didn't lie about and dishonor the men serving and dying in vietnam to further his political career as Kerry did. Bush never claimed to be a hero as Kerry has falsely claimed to be either. So I feel pretty good about Bush's service in the military and as commander in chief.

air1

08-20-2004, 03:46 PM

So you are OK with the fact that he used his daddy's influence to avoid going to Vietnam. Or that he was awol. Also, Officers that served with him are on record saying that they were ordered to destroy record of his service or lack there of.

Flying a fighter jet might be more dangerous that driving a car, but who wouldn't like to operate a machine that can go twice the speed of sound. No real act of courage there as far as I'm concerned. I would give my left nut to fly one of those for a living.

During the time he was in the national guard he failed to show up for a physical and lost his flight privileges. It is rumored tat he was a cocaine addict and a alcoholic at the time and didn't want to take a drug test.

Bush is lying about his military record. Whenever he is asked about his service he will only say he fulfilled his requirements. Meaning he received a honorable discharge. While that may be technically correct he won't provide details because he is hiding something. Lying by omission.

infwsdm

08-20-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by air1
How do you guys feel about Bush's service record?

Dosen't matter.

kerry's dosen't matter either besides the fact that he betrayed everyone in uniform and the country by the bull**** he spewed when he came back

bootlen

08-20-2004, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by air1
So you are OK with the fact that he used his daddy's influence to avoid going to Vietnam. Or that he was awol. Also, Officers that served with him are on record saying that they were ordered to destroy record of his service or lack there of.

Flying a fighter jet might be more dangerous that driving a car, but who wouldn't like to operate a machine that can go twice the speed of sound. No real act of courage there as far as I'm concerned. I would give my left nut to fly one of those for a living.

During the time he was in the national guard he failed to show up for a physical and lost his flight privileges. It is rumored tat he was a cocaine addict and a alcoholic at the time and didn't want to take a drug test.

Bush is lying about his military record. Whenever he is asked about his service he will only say he fulfilled his requirements. Meaning he received a honorable discharge. While that may be technically correct he won't provide details because he is hiding something. Lying by omission.

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OD, you're gonna have to learn to live with facts.

"Daddy's influence"...That has been investigated and found to be false.

"...that he was AWOL." He was never AWOL. The missing records had been stored in a warehouse and incorrectly catalogued, I believe in Denver, before a computer equipment changeover and were recently discovered by an Air Force clerk.

"...give my left nut..." Keep it. You apparently don't have the intellect to handle something complicated as a tricycle so a jet is out of the question.

"...lost his flight privileges." Actually, he asked to be removed from flying status. I don't recall his reason but it was legit. It's all a matter of record.

"...drug addict..." You said yourself it was rumored. Is that what you base your important decisions on...rumors? No wonder you're a lib.

"...lying about his military record." Wouldn't do any good to lie (as Kerry is discovering). It's a matter of record. Records indicate he served as required without turning his back on his comrades (unlike Kerry).

Now, go crawl back in the oven. You're only half-baked.

BTW, I spent 2-1/2 years in SEA and I have NO qualms whatsoever about W's service. I sure as hell had a problem with Slick Willie. And I have a hell of a problem with Scary Kerry.

[Edited by bootlen on 08-20-2004 at 04:35 PM]

ozone drone

08-20-2004, 04:52 PM

Bootlen...you're responding to air one....not OD...I gotta enough enemies I earned myself without takin it for somebody else.

bootlen

08-20-2004, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by ozone drone
Bootlen...you're responding to air one....not OD...I gotta enough enemies I earned myself without takin it for somebody else.

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OD, please forgive. My bad. You can come back out of the oven. Air1, go to your oven.:D

bobby7388

08-20-2004, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by air1
How do you guys feel about Bush's service record?

In comparison to what?
Kerry is running solely on his abstract and confusing "Tour of Duty", Bush did not.
Kerry opened this can of worms and then wonders why it isn't working for him.
Why won't Kerry release his military records pertaining to his time in Vietnam? one has to wonder.

ozone drone

08-20-2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by ozone drone
Bootlen...you're responding to air one....not OD...I gotta enough enemies I earned myself without takin it for somebody else.

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OD, please forgive. My bad. You can come back out of the oven. Air1, go to your oven.:D

I don't know booty...I'm kinda half baked...gettin to like it in here.

It's almost as warm and fuzzy as a good democratic social program.

bootlen

08-20-2004, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by ozone drone

Originally posted by bootlen

Originally posted by ozone drone
Bootlen...you're responding to air one....not OD...I gotta enough enemies I earned myself without takin it for somebody else.

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OD, please forgive. My bad. You can come back out of the oven. Air1, go to your oven.:D

I don't know booty...I'm kinda half baked...gettin to like it in here.

It's almost as warm and fuzzy as a good democratic social program.

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I hear you, I do!

Irascible

08-20-2004, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by ozone drone
Career military officers don't tend to be feel good liberals. I hardly think it would be a fifty fifty liberal/conservative split with that demographic.Of course not. But neither are they anything close to 95% Republican shills. That's equally as absurd. And the majority are not career military.

Most of these people have been out of the military for decades. Few of these people have a thing to gain and all have a lot to lose. When better than 90% of the media votes Democrat, they knew they were going to be put through the ringer. A FEW would go through that because they're hardcore Republicans - just like 13 hardcore libs did for Kerry. But the other two hundred and something? They're motivated by principle. I know it's hard to believe anything political could be motivated by principle, but it's true. Find a good conservative therapist if you need further help with the concept. ;)

bootlen

08-20-2004, 10:05 PM

Ira. When you talk about "principle" to a dem, you have to explain what it means each time you discuss it. They tend to forget its definition between conversations.

Irascible

08-20-2004, 10:14 PM

Come now bootlen. I would argue that some Democrats are masters of the English language. How else could they twist the meaning of its words so masterfully? ;)

ozone drone

08-20-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Irascible
Come now bootlen. I would argue that some Democrats are masters of the English language. How else could they twist the meaning of its words so masterfully? ;)

My logic may seem convoluted, but you can rest assured I'll express it concisely......ummm...concise convolutions???

Uh Ira what's the name of that therapist?

bootlen

08-20-2004, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Irascible
Come now bootlen. I would argue that some Democrats are masters of the English language. How else could they twist the meaning of its words so masterfully? ;)

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One of the only words (and concept for that matter) they haven't mastered is "principle".

Others are "truth", "propriety", "duty", "commitment", "honesty", and the like.

spike

08-21-2004, 12:15 AM

Statement by Navy Veteran Van Odell, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

in Rebuttal to Michael Dobbs, Washington Post, August 19, 2004

A courageous, soft spoken man of the Midwest, Larry Thurlow has a heart bigger than the great plains and a commitment to truth and honesty that is boundless. He is under attack, because John Kerry is feeling the heat of truth at the hands of this honest man and others like him.

The Kerry Campaign is attacking the truthfulness of this man and the Bronze Star he so richly deserves for his actions on March 13, 1969. I was there. I saw what happened.

The mine's detonation lifted PCF-3 completely out of the water just yards ahead of me. All boats commenced suppression fire in case enemy small arms fire ensued. None did.

All boats came to the aid of PCF-3, except one: John Kerry's boat. Kerry fled.

Larry Thurlow piloted his boat straight toward the mine-damaged PCF-3 from which thick, black smoke billowed. He jumped aboard and personally led damage control operations that saved the boat and rescue operations that saved the lives of badly wounded men. Larry's leadership was in the highest traditions of the naval service. His leadership allowed the other men and boats of the mission to exit the river safely. This single act of meritorious service -- the chief requirement of the Bronze Star -- should be honored, not ridiculed, by the Kerry campaign and its allies in the mainstream media.

To reiterate, only one enemy weapon was deployed that day -- the command-detonated submerged mine that disabled PCF-3.

Larry Thurlow's citation contained references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire," because that was the language chosen by John Kerry who penned the spot report on the action that day. There was no "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" received that day. John Kerry's report was fiction -- a hoax on the entire chain of command. Larry Thurlow's heroism and meritorious service, however, is real.

To me Larry is one of the heroes of our country. He is a man who served his country when called and who returned home to be a productive citizen. Larry and men like him are the strong backbone of our society. I am proud to have served with him.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

woods mech

08-21-2004, 12:39 AM

First off Air1 you need to get your facts straight Reservists cannot go AWOL as we do not accrue Leave AWOL is Absent without leave. You liberals have no idea how stupid you make yourselves look. Bush was not UA either he had pemission of his command. Being counted as UA happens all the time to reservists even if you show up for the drills. All it takes is one numbskull to screw your paperwork up and you have to go back and straighten it out. I got counted UA one time by the reserve center when I was on AT and had orders. Another thing I am CBVET coordinator for my detachment so I have around 30 guys to take care of and make sure they finish the CBVET program. When I took over many guys didn't even have anything in their service records I had to start from scratch and rebuild their records. I can see how records from 35 years ago on Bush could get lost. Don't get caught up in the liberal hype. Most of the people putting Bush down for his service have never served in the boy scouts much less the military so they don't know what they are talking about. If you've never served and don't understand the process do yourself a favor and don't be so quick to pass judgement on Bush for screw ups that he may have had nothing to do with.

johnl45

08-24-2004, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by woods mech
First off Air1 you need to get your facts straight Reservists cannot go AWOL as we do not accrue Leave AWOL is Absent without leave. You liberals have no idea how stupid you make yourselves look. Bush was not UA either he had pemission of his command. Being counted as UA happens all the time to reservists even if you show up for the drills. All it takes is one numbskull to screw your paperwork up and you have to go back and straighten it out. I got counted UA one time by the reserve center when I was on AT and had orders. Another thing I am CBVET coordinator for my detachment so I have around 30 guys to take care of and make sure they finish the CBVET program. When I took over many guys didn't even have anything in their service records I had to start from scratch and rebuild their records. I can see how records from 35 years ago on Bush could get lost. Don't get caught up in the liberal hype. Most of the people putting Bush down for his service have never served in the boy scouts much less the military so they don't know what they are talking about. If you've never served and don't understand the process do yourself a favor and don't be so quick to pass judgement on Bush for screw ups that he may have had nothing to do with. You should start a new campaign "The Bull**** Veterans to give Bush a record" he definitely qualifies as a numbskull.

infwsdm

08-24-2004, 08:47 PM

No johnny boy, YOU qualify as a numb skull.

hvac r us 2

08-24-2004, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by rob10
the likes of lesbo Janet Reno.

[Edited by rob10 on 08-19-2004 at 07:05 PM]

Your throwing around the word lesbo like it's a bad thing! :D

rob10

08-25-2004, 06:21 AM

Ugly as homemade soap! :D

bootlen

08-25-2004, 07:45 AM

There's a report out now that in his personal journal from whence he wrote his unfindable book of lies, there is a journal entry dated 9 days AFTER his submission for the 1st Purple Heart (awarded for wounds suffered under enemy fire), that he, as of that journal date, had not yet come under enemy fire.

Hmmmmmm.

arc8

08-25-2004, 08:22 AM

wow!
with all this information about Bush and Kerry, it's obvious who to vote for.

now, if i'm a thinking person, i would vote for Bush.
unless i just hate Bush and not think at all and be closed minded, then i would vote for Kerry.
or unless i just happen to be a numb skull, then i would vote for Kerry.
but, if on the other hand, i'm able to reason with my God given brain, at least a 10% usage, i would vote for Bush.
but wait, if i hate something or someone, i should vote opposite of that. but if i did, i would be an idiot, seeing that i wouldn't be using my brain.

But bless God for giving me a mind to think! i will vote for Bush/Cheney for liberty and conscience sake.

kim

08-25-2004, 01:23 PM

The thing that gets me on this whole thing: One man can't get those medals by himself. He must be wounded in combat to get a purple heart. Dr. verifies the wound. Report verifies the action. The bronze star must be recommended.

We all know somebody is lying here. I want to hear from the person that recommended Kerry for his star and the commanding officer that approved it.
If a dr. pulled a splinter out of Kerry's arm, he would not know if the wound was received in combat. My uncle got a purple heart when he was hit by srap metal from a nearby mine. The real wound was from his helmet being knocked off his head, but it drew blood. He carried the soldier hit by the mine back to the med-evac chopper.

bootlen

08-25-2004, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by kim
The thing that gets me on this whole thing: One man can't get those medals by himself. He must be wounded in combat to get a purple heart. Dr. verifies the wound. Report verifies the action. The bronze star must be recommended.

We all know somebody is lying here. I want to hear from the person that recommended Kerry for his star and the commanding officer that approved it.
If a dr. pulled a splinter out of Kerry's arm, he would not know if the wound was received in combat. My uncle got a purple heart when he was hit by srap metal from a nearby mine. The real wound was from his helmet being knocked off his head, but it drew blood. He carried the soldier hit by the mine back to the med-evac chopper.

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Most likely scenario: Wound was real but not inflicted by enemy action. Report by Kerry was falsified, as would be indicated by Kerry's own journal entry.

Bronze Star has nothing to do with PH...totally separate events. Bronze Star could possibly be legit...probably is. PH's are the ones in question.

But just because a guy is legitimately awarded a medal for heroism, it does not make him a man of integrity. Most heroism is a result of action without forethought. I believe Kerry does most things without thinking. :D

woods mech

08-25-2004, 02:53 PM

When they do the investigation they look at the after action reports. The thing is Kerry was an officer and put in the request for the medals and also was the one who wrote the after action reports it just so happens that he embellished the after action reports to make himself look good. Normally people don't put in requests for medals but a lot of that kind of thing happened in vietnam. Officers would go out on patrol and their buddies would put them in for a medal. A lot of times they would get medals for things that they had nothing to do with. Richard Marcinko wrote about it in his book about vietnam. Another vet wrote about also but I can't remember his name I read his book tho. The doctor that saw Kerry for his first injury was on the radio the other day and said it was a superficial wound. A piece of shrapnel about the size of a rose thorn. It was pulled out and a band aid was put on it. He learned later that day by talking with the members of his crew that it was self inflicted. Kerry had quite a reputation for wanting to be like JFK and had plans back then to run for president. It's not that much of a stretch to believe he lied on his after action reports and thereby got undeserved madals. Just because he went to vietnam does not make him a hero and his conduct after vietnam and up until the present proves he is no hero.

kim

08-25-2004, 05:53 PM

My line of thinking:
If somebody lied before, they might be lying now. I don't trust spokesmen from either side of this issue. They all have their adgenda. Kerry got medals and threw them away. He did not want them so they might as well have never existed.

Far be it from me to detract from a man that served his country. He could have died over there. I was too young, but know several people who came back. I can still remember my aunt crying when my cousin went. I do not think a few months in harms way makes Kerry a better leader than Bush.
Like my cousin says: "They were both officers in the military. Bush probably had a better officers club to relax in. Kerry probably had better pot to smoke. So it is even." He did say there were several soldiers that got carried away. Would not give anymore details. By no means does that mean that all soldiers in Nam were sadistic killers. I do know a guy with a "Gook Ear". He was crazy before he went though.

Time to get on with the real issues: education, economy, terrorism, etc.