Trane Compressors Junk? You decide!

[dchrbac]

Just serviced (3)trane 20 ton roof top packaged units. Manufactured in 2001. Each unit has (2) 3D Scroll compressors. These are not tandom compressors.
2 Units have bad second stage Compressors. The contactors arnt burnt and look clean. Phasing is correct. Coils are clean, Air flow (cfm) are correct etc. Both compressors are burnouts. Each unit has phase protectors which are wired correctly and voltage and phases are balanced. Circuits are fully charged. (weighed removed refrigerant).
Upon looking at the third unit, the first stage compressor is cutting in and out. Looking at the liquid line filter drier frosted up its not hard to figure out why.
Every compressor and drier still have to red paint crap Trane puts on the braized connections, so its obvious this is all original.
This is 3 year old equipment!! The owner wasn't very happy to find so many problems on basicly new units.
Today he had me go to another building he owns with 2 trane units and 1 Carrier. Trane units are manufactured in 99.
Almost same story. 1 unit has no charge in it. Charged with nitrogen. Condenser has huge split in the coils. The second unit has a dead short in the second stage compressor.
I dont think the owner will be buying anymore trane units.
Im not going to complain. Trane is gona make me rich with all this work!!! :) Heck i even found 3 cracked condenser fan blades out of 5 units.
The Carrier is a 91. Its still cranking. (scratching head)

[Dad]

Yeah, you are going to love installing warranty compressors. Don't they have 5 years on the paperwork?

Can you wait another 2 years?

:D

[dchrbac]

Nope. Trane only gave 1 year compressor warranty and 18 months on the heat exchangers.
Want more warranty? Gota pay more money!!

[bruiseandy]

Hmmm Tranes down and the blue oval is running balls out? Devils putting on his ice skates.

[Dad]

That's scary

[mdp]

Interesting phenomenon, we've had a recent rash of 3D burnouts ourselves. Lucky that we built in the 5 year optional warranty on the units. Same scenario though, correct voltage, phasing etc, one building has had 4 burnouts on sealed systems. Possibly manufacturing errors?

[Paul Pippin]

I have also seen a lot of the drier failures that you are talking about on their package units. Most of the driers usually stop up within the first month or two of operation. The other thing we have noticed is that we usually don't have drier problems until after the "INSIDE" condenser coil stops up with junk. I know that most of the driers are not rated for the size of compressor that they are on and I also feel that when the condensers get stopped up that we raise the temperature on the the system that we start breaking down the oil and this helps attribute to the drier problem.

[Dad]

Paul

Do you think the junk in the coil is just left over slag or manufacturing crap or do you think the compressor is spilling its guts early at start up?

[Paul Pippin]

From the driers I have taken apart it doesn't appear to be slag more like the carbon or oil soaked driers. I really think that the oil is breaking down and stopping the driers up. I know that the temperatures that I have seen when the coils were stopped up were excessive and I think that is part of the problem. Trane has said that the undersized drier is not a problem since the system was put together and nitrogen was used during the brazing process but I have some doubts about that. I know that when I change out the drier to one that is rated for the capacity of the compressor that I do not have that particular problem show up again. It may be that the velocity through the drier is just to great. Trane told me the only problem that would cause is a reduction in capacity. In Tennessee when you buy a 20 ton rtu we usually expect to get around 20 tons of cooling out of it I don't know about other places though...

[kool it man]

It would be nice if you could take digital pictures of the problems, ( like the goodman guy in hall of shame) just to get a better idea of the problem....:confused:

[Paul Pippin]

I will see if I can find any of the driers that haven't been sent back to trane. If I have any I will be glad to take pictures of them.

[Diceman]

Do they have economizers? Are they using Johnson controllers in em? There was a rash of problems with them chattering the compressors and contactors, causing burnouts.
About the year 2000 or so seems to be the date of these things. Carrier had em too, just changed a burned out 6 ton scroll compressor on a 12 ton RTU last week. Both contactors and OFM really smoked as well. Good thing I left the econo jump out plug in there:)
Will check it out more after it cools off in the fall.

[dchrbac]

I agree with you guys, The driers look like they should be on a 5 ton system, not a 10. I installed new sporlan HH driers with a rated cap. for 10 tons
Having a problem with oil breakdown with dirty condenser coils..... trane needs to address this.
Anyone know what oil they are running in new R22 systems? 150?

Picturing it now..... Coils get dirty, head pressure goes up, oil breaks down, cloggs drier, raises head pressure even more, Compressor burns out, Units out of warranty, Customer pays big $$$$... Hmmm.....

I didn't install the units, so i could not offer the warranty. The owner said since he was buying Tranes, and they were supposed to be good units, he did not think he would need an extended warranty. At least not under 5 years.
Reguardless, they should have at least 5 years miminum on the compressor..
Just my opinion.
We did clean all the condenser coils. I recommended he make sure this was done more frequently.........

[dchrbac]

Do they have economizers?

Yes

Are they using Johnson controllers in em?

Nope, Normally chattering contactors will have burn't contacts. These were clean, looked almost new. Good point though. Thanks

[Freezeking2000]

My feeling is the Trane design is SH$T, the condenser coils get PLUGGED and cannt be easily washed. This leads to High discharge press and temps, burns the oil, pluggs the drier. leads to high superheat and a BURNOUT! The mfg should have changed the condenser design years ago since the dirty condensers on ALL TRANE cause mojor capacity issues!

[dchrbac]

Freeze....

I Noticed of some older tranes the condesers for stage 1 and 2 have spaces between them. Like 4-6 inches. What a pain to clean. These units dont have that design, but still plug easy. I agree, they stink.

[maintmankc]

I have 72 trane 3d-scrolls in 12 units on top of one building, we clean them religously because they are located right next to a railyard and we have lots of cottonwood in kansas city. I have lost one supplyfan motor and one exhaust fan motor. in my opinion they are awesome units.

[Freezeking2000]

I think i was having a bad Trane moment after cleaning those sandwich condensers causing hands to bleed!

They are no worse than the best whom ever that may be!

[hvacdoctor]

First off, all conditions could be perfect and still have problems. Just installed a Trane 75 ton with problems at start up. Found out a factory defect leak caused low pressure condition which inturn caused 3 compressors on the ciruit to fail. Trane sent a tech out on warranty to do work after 2 weeks of waiting for parts. They did do good job, but at my customers expense and tenants complaining about a brand new unit.

FYI to ALL BUY THE EXTENDED 5-Year COMPRESSOR WARRANTY. Also make sure you file and keep that warranty cliam paper they send out with the bill. It looks like a school cirtificate or similar. Recently had a warranty claim, gave model and serial # to trane, said unit did not have an extended warranty. Found the paper they sent, faxed it over and abra-cadabera hokus pokus we got a warranty claim. Trane some times forgets to log their warranties on equipment, so if the customer decides to use another company later on the customer gets the screw job. Anyone should get warranty with model and serial #'s

18 month heat exchanger warranty is bogus, minium these days is 5-year min.

Plus, the answer to your question, they don't make'm like they use to.

[dchrbac]

HVAC Doc

I can send you the Book on the unit. Says 18 months on heat exchanger. Want a copy?

[hvacker]

Remember almost ALL compressors fail due to something external to them. If you can cut the welds and open the can. You can determine a lot looking for the failure mode. Once I had winding failure that pointed to phase failure and tracing the supply voltage back through subpanels sure enough a loost wire lug way downstream. With this mant failures I would not look at equipment or manufactuere. My money would say externat to the equipment.

[smitty1968]

We have encountered the same problem with failing
compressors.
We started out using the drier Trane reccomended.
and within 6 months we had dead copmpressors.
The second trip we installed the correct size drier
for the tonage and have been doing just that for
2 years and not one failure since.
Trane has saved a boat load going to that POS
under sized drier. there is no way they will remedy this problem.

[lizrdlipz]

I have a great deal of experience with the Trane Voyagers using the 3-D scroll compressors, and know exactly what you are talking about with regards to these failing compressors. I have been priviledged with some interesting information regarding these units and their failures, and have personally replaced a large number of these compressors. Here is some insight:

1. The earlier scroll compressors used to be manufactured with "orbital bearings".
2. A little over five years ago a "Trane Factory Genius" changed the design from "bearings" to "bushings."
3. Those with "bushings" are failing.
4. The new replacement compressors ie.CSHA150K0B00 have bearings and should be fine.
5. For those customers who do not have the extended five year warranty, sorry.
6. For those of you who do, exercise your rights, use your warranty and make sure your local distributor sends them back to La Crosse.

[bjefferson]

Originally posted by bruiseandy
Hmmm Tranes down and the blue oval is running balls out? Devils putting on his ice skates.



My thoughts exactly!well said....

[dcsoh]

Does anyone have an idea why the Trane 3D Scroll compressors have a high failure rate when two or three compressors are connected in tandum? Especially the last one to come on line when the systems is calling for cooling?

[jayguy]

Does anyone have an idea why the Trane 3D Scroll compressors have a high failure rate when two or three compressors are connected in tandum? Especially the last one to come on line when the systems is calling for cooling?

i am not familiar with a "high failure" rate but the last compressor in the circuit is also the last to get any oil...so if you have any oil problems at all...compressor go bye-bye.

make sure those CCH's are working!

[dcsoh]

JAYGUY: Thanks for the reply. The Trane RTUs are SEHFC754NU77 Intellipaks. The company has 10 of these units on the roof and for the last four years have had 9 compressors go down. All but one have been the third compressor. The piping is original from the factory and that was my thought of lack of oil since it's the last compressor in the chain. The 3D Scrolls are linked together with a common oil line but the last compressor still may have an oil problem. We are having the compressor torn down in hopes to determine the exact cause of failure. Just was hunting the nwt to see if anyone else has had this problem with the RTU listed above.

[ChillerWisperer]

I've seen compressor failures on Intellipaks caused by poor BAS control when they are used in VAV configuration. In my opinion, VAV's and blower speed drives/IGV's are better suited to chilled water applications and have no place in a dx system that has only 3 or 4 stages of capacity control. By far, the most 3D scroll failures are in RAUC splits. I used to cringe at the installations I encountered when starting them up. I only had 2 different contractors who did two installs apiece that I actually allowed startup on when they said they were ready. I encountered everything from a residential contractor who thought the evap coils had restrictors in the distributors and didn't need TXV's to a 120 ton (2 x 60 ton, 4-15 ton scrolls per circuit) that had one single core 7/8 LL drier shell installed on each circuit with a 200 foot piping run.

I've also seen quite a few CG chillers that lost compressors from slugging due to oil overcharge. Fewest 3D scroll failures would be on the 25 to 50 ton Voyager III's, from what I've seen.

The 3D compressor is definitely more inherently prone to fail when compared to the orange pumpkin scrolls that preceded them. I've replaced a lot of the green 3D scrolls, but have only replaced one orange one and it was an electrical failure most probably due to a lightning strike.


The older compressors were a lot tougher, but I think at least 80 percent of 3D failures can be linked directly to poor installation and maintenance or bad control protocol. The orange pumpkin scrolls were just a lot more forgiving.

[drivewizard]

Just serviced (3)trane 20 ton roof top packaged units. Manufactured in 2001. Each unit has (2) 3D Scroll compressors. These are not tandom compressors.
2 Units have bad second stage Compressors. The contactors arnt burnt and look clean. Phasing is correct. Coils are clean, Air flow (cfm) are correct etc. Both compressors are burnouts. Each unit has phase protectors which are wired correctly and voltage and phases are balanced. Circuits are fully charged. (weighed removed refrigerant).
Upon looking at the third unit, the first stage compressor is cutting in and out. Looking at the liquid line filter drier frosted up its not hard to figure out why.
Every compressor and drier still have to red paint crap Trane puts on the braized connections, so its obvious this is all original.
This is 3 year old equipment!! The owner wasn't very happy to find so many problems on basicly new units. I am confused, is it 3 years old or 8 years old??Today he had me go to another building he owns with 2 trane units and 1 Carrier. Trane units are manufactured in 99.
Almost same story. 1 unit has no charge in it. Charged with nitrogen. Condenser has huge split in the coils. The second unit has a dead short in the second stage compressor.
I dont think the owner will be buying anymore trane units.
Im not going to complain. Trane is gona make me rich with all this work!!! :) Heck i even found 3 cracked condenser fan blades out of 5 units.
The Carrier is a 91. Its still cranking. (scratching head)

You are just now servicing these units? After 3 or 8 years, whichever it is.
Either way, its to long.
Every unit needs to be inspected at least several times a year.
Especially now that everything is made at the least cost possible.
I have seen a definite increase in the failure rate of everything, not just HVAC products. Printers, Cell phones, light bulbs, BBQ's, TV's, etc,etc.
I hate to say it, but, get used to it and be glad you are in the service field.

[jayguy]

JAYGUY: Thanks for the reply. The Trane RTUs are SEHFC754NU77 Intellipaks. The company has 10 of these units on the roof and for the last four years have had 9 compressors go down. All but one have been the third compressor. The piping is original from the factory and that was my thought of lack of oil since it's the last compressor in the chain. The 3D Scrolls are linked together with a common oil line but the last compressor still may have an oil problem. We are having the compressor torn down in hopes to determine the exact cause of failure. Just was hunting the nwt to see if anyone else has had this problem with the RTU listed above.

9 compressors in 10 units...are any of these compressors repeat failures or are they always a different compressor in a different unit/circuit?

as CW said, oil overcharge can kill a compressor. it causes EXTREME txv hunting and that last compressor has less oil to handle the liquid slugging.

crankcase heaters are VERY VERY important to be working.

[Tech Rob]

My experience is that Trane's 3-D Scrolls are pretty much bulletproof as long as the condenser is kept clean. High discharge temperatures inevitably lead to restrictions, leaks, and motor burnouts.

[marter]

ive just found one trane voyager date of mfg was in 94 with a bad compressor. i figured its lasted long enough

[MKnyc]

Yeah the driers weren't exactly helping those units. Coils have to be split apart on those units to properly clean them. Head pressure and subcooling would have indicated that. Saw quite a few like that.

[dcsoh]

Has anyone used either the Mitsubishi City Multi System or the Daikin VRVIII System to cool multiple server rooms in a commercial building? These units seem well suited for cooling multiple server rooms in the range of 200 sqft to 500 sqft. where one or two condensing units could suplly 10 to 15 evaporators.

[dd98724]

I've not heard of excessive compressor failures on Voyager IIs. Now, condenser coils are a different story. I've talked to a Trane tech in the Dayton OH area who said his office replaced 500 coils in a two year period.

[MKnyc]

The coil failures Trane suffered were no different than most manufacterers. Keep in mind Trane sells something like 85% of all commercial product. The coils had tube sheet leaks on the end and about 10-12 inches from the last sheet. Enviroirmental considerations of the ph of the local air and salt from sea air affected the NY metropolis considerably

[HVAC9900]

Never had more problems than normal with trane compressors,or actually any of tranes' products.
That logo has to go though.

[MKnyc]

Our uniforms are changing too. We're gonna wear little I.R. NASCAR logo's on our sleaves.

[phoenixfitter]

Coils get dirty clean em! The only failures we have had on them are dirty evap/cond coils for a while causing the Comp ratio to increase and hose them. Keep preaching PM to owners, cause they dont know why the 3 year old compressor tanks!

[froglips]

Does anyone know what serial numbers were affected by the sleeve vs bearing issue. We have Model CSHA093K0D00 and CSHA140K0D00' with the following serial numbers, and have started having Circuit 2 trips, which do not happen often enough to "be there when it happens", and while investigating the issue noticed the Bearing vs. Sleeve discussion.


CSHA093K0D00
03C07091
03C07094
03C07095
03C0824

CSHA140K0D00
03C11138
03C11139
03C11140
03C230155

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

[servicetrane]

trane has a problem with the filters become clogged very quickly dehydrators, compressors begin to cycle and that damages the motor,

[just_opinion]

trane has a problem with the filters become clogged very quickly dehydrators, compressors begin to cycle and that damages the motor,

That is not true. If the filter is clogged to trip the LPS 3 times in one cooling cycle, then this POS trane will shut the compressor off. The POS trane is stupid but not that dumb as you think.

As the original post stated that "the 2nd stage compressor died"

Because these POS trane use orifices and inter-twin evaporator coil.
If the building is needing ONLY 1st to cool and it run on 1st stage for hours.

What happend to the freon on the 2nd circuit? It will migrate to its evaporator coil full of liquid. What happen when the 2nd stage compressor comes on for the first time?

It vibrates like hell and its discharge line shakes as it pumps liquid. Its bearings are scorned due to liquid is built up between. All the metal shavings stravel to the drier and clogged it up.

So that is why I keep calling these unit POS and other idiots like Airmachanical, Texas Tech, Joe Harper, and Beachtech and more keep defending it like POS trane is the greatest thing in the world.

The simple reason I call it a POS is that:
It is expensive compare to others
It called itself something like Intellpak (or some Sort). But in fact it is a dumb as the people who built it and defend it. WHAT THE F**CK IS "cool fail" ??? Can someone explain to me the heck it is where I have to GUESS the problem - It could be HPS, LPS, Contractor aux relay, Breaker aux switch or compressor's overload. What the F***K. Heck customers buy a 4-digits $$$$ cost board that is named INTEL-sh*t and it cannot tell me a bad point like Carrier, Lennox or even York can. Then heck I can use a $5 relay and does the same sh*t.

I don't mind at all if Goodman is a cheap and some consider a poor-design unit. But at least it is not claiming itself Intel this Intel that and sell the at the expensive price. Goodman sell more equipment than other competitor. But I have not seen Goodman name its units with fancy names and lying-brag of its best design, etc..

The cost of the POS trane is the same with the cost of the Lennox L series (L series may cost 1% more). But one look at the Lennox and the POS trane, people can tell who has 100% more intelligence.

Just simply go thru these posts page by page and you can see who has more problems. POS trane is the leading cadidate of complaining. Go ahead and check it out in the residential forum, commercial forum and Pro forum.

So I don't have to claim trane is a POS trane. The people signed up to this web site say it all about POS trane.

[jayguy]

...other idiots like Airmachanical, Texas Tech, Joe Harper, and Beachtech and more keep defending it like POS trane is the greatest thing in the world...

i am offended that you did not mention my name! :LOL:



...
The simple reason I call it a POS is that:
It is expensive compare to others
yup! and after following around a bunch of numbskulls fixing their installs and yet trane still pays for the warranty (when they shouldn't)...i am surprised that it is not more expensive.

It called itself something like Intellpak (or some Sort). But in fact it is a dumb as the people who built it and defend it. WHAT THE F**CK IS "cool fail" ??? Can someone explain to me the heck it is where I have to GUESS the problem - It could be HPS, LPS, Contractor aux relay, Breaker aux switch or compressor's overload. What the F***K. Heck customers buy a 4-digits $$$$ cost board that is named INTEL-sh*t and it cannot tell me a bad point like Carrier, Lennox or even York can.
you are confusing the smaller Precendent and Voyager units with the Intellipak.

Then heck I can use a $5 relay and does the same sh*t.
so do you add those relays to each unit?

do you feel better now? i hope so. i don't even get that mad at any particular brand :gah: ...and i think that it says that i am supposed to in my contract!

[duke of earl]

Wow someone really hates Trane don't they? Truth is that "Made in America" just means made on our soil but have ya been in the manufacturing plants? Not much American labor to speak of, more foreigners that can't speak English. I rest my case. Eventually the customers will get fed up with paying premium prices for problematic equipment. I blame a lot of the problems on sales people and engineers who buy into the value engineered systems of today. Selling systems that are underdesigned for their applications is common and a major cause of failure. I agree that Trane has some issues but so does everyone else. If everyone built great products, we would be primarily PM techs so I don't get too worked up over the poor quality. I make oppurtunity to field enhance these systems to make em better and believe me these oppurtunities keep me very busy.

[just_opinion]

I call trane POS in my opinion. Other has to stick his nose in to advocate trane, which is fine and dandy. Hey it is free country.
BUT when I ask him/her to tell evryone the goods, he/she has nothing to say.
SO I deliver my opinion on POS trane, they have nothing to say except "Oh ! he/she is a trane hater"

I don't hate POS trane. The key word is hate. Trane equipment is as bad design as Carrier light commercial units. But I don't call Carrier POS. Nor I call Goodman POS. Hey! Customer pays for what he get. As long as the seller don't over-exagerate to the point of lying.

I just simply don't like them call tehmselves best whereas they are not . And the people who know very little about the equipment, keep parates about it. They even advocate it. AND HAD NOTHING TO BACK IT U.

But to me, it is fine for a technician to advocate the equipment you serve/sell. Then advocate it and TELS US the goods it has.

Example:
If you are a Chevy dealer, then of course you say Chevy is best. I understand and have no problem.
But if someone asks you about the flaws on the Chevy that everyone is experiencing, you say like "Chevy is good" and pull your pants up and ran away ????

It is just an example my Chevy lovers.

I am Lennox dealer and trane dealer for 30 years. So I know them and sell them all. I have never once tell my customers trane is POS in front of their face. I don't care what they buy. I PRESENT, THEY CHOOSE

If one says "this equipment is better then the other", then let us know what is good/better then other?

Don't just say "trane is better", then has nothing to say.

When I say trane is POS, then I deliver the bads. AND I did.

A boxer claims he is the best. But he backs out all challenge -- WTF ??

[timebuilder]

Just serviced (3)trane 20 ton roof top packaged units. Manufactured in 2001. Each unit has (2) 3D Scroll compressors. These are not tandom compressors.
2 Units have bad second stage Compressors. The contactors arnt burnt and look clean. Phasing is correct. Coils are clean, Air flow (cfm) are correct etc. Both compressors are burnouts. Each unit has phase protectors which are wired correctly and voltage and phases are balanced. Circuits are fully charged. (weighed removed refrigerant).
Upon looking at the third unit, the first stage compressor is cutting in and out. Looking at the liquid line filter drier frosted up its not hard to figure out why.
Every compressor and drier still have to red paint crap Trane puts on the braized connections, so its obvious this is all original.
This is 3 year old equipment!! The owner wasn't very happy to find so many problems on basicly new units.
Today he had me go to another building he owns with 2 trane units and 1 Carrier. Trane units are manufactured in 99.
Almost same story. 1 unit has no charge in it. Charged with nitrogen. Condenser has huge split in the coils. The second unit has a dead short in the second stage compressor.
I dont think the owner will be buying anymore trane units.
Im not going to complain. Trane is gona make me rich with all this work!!! :) Heck i even found 3 cracked condenser fan blades out of 5 units.
The Carrier is a 91. Its still cranking. (scratching head)


I would not dance the "dance of joy" yet, Balki.

I have serviced and maintained a couple of hundred of these units, and you know how many compressors I have replaced on them?




Two.



Yep.

So, IMHO, there is something else going on there, probably a lack of maintenance. So, whomever you are replacing was not doing what needs to be done. For example, if you get both stages in and running, look at condenser delta T. You can probably throw some brats on the fan guards and cook 'em up right there on the roof.


Now, the older Carrier's with Bristol and Tecumseh compressors....that's some low hanging fruit for ya. :angel:

[Paul Bee]

Most failed compressors are a result of a problem not the cause. I agree with timebuilder if you didn't install these units and PM them every 90 days you have no idea what ABUSE/NEGLECT these units have been subjected to. There are too many variables in this world to be an HVAC brand bigot. If it is made by man it can break! Quality these days is the result of computer programs and robotic manufacturing plants. To be competitive these companies "have to have" a certain level of quality, it is just good business sense. So to say one brand is better than the other is an exercise in futility. Besides bad mouthing anything is very "UNPROFESSIONAL". A BRAND, ANOTHER COMPANY, ANOTHER TECHNICIAN. Does anybody know how to take the high road anymore?

[tylerjking]

anyone ever try a city compressor by trane? Ive put two in... actually 5 thats howmany compressors it took to fix two compressor problems in two diffrent units and they wouldnt stand behind their units at all just like anything with trane
.

[jayguy]

anyone ever try a city compressor by trane? Ive put two in... actually 5 thats howmany compressors it took to fix two compressor problems in two diffrent units and they wouldnt stand behind their units at all just like anything with trane
.

here we go again. what's a 'city compressor'?

[AiResearch]

ya what is a city comp by trane?

all the american compressors are good. (brazil too)

system related problems cause failures.

[tylerjking]

city compressor is a remanufactured compressor by trane. they are extremely cheap compared to new almost 1/2 the price. but i think they only fix what was wrong instead of doing a full rebuild. we havent had good luck with them.. one took them sending three sets of heads before they would send a new compressor to fix internal problems. another was shorted before even installing it.

[tylerjking]

nothing to do with system related problems

[tylerjking]

Anyone ever hear of a scroll compressor single phasing tripping the internal overload and showing winding grounded out. when i went to replace it winding ohmed out fine and compressor runs perfectly.Been running for a week now now problems. I checked the second stage on the original call and that compressor ohmed out fine so its not my meter.

[y7turbo]

city compressor is a remanufactured compressor by trane. .

NO.

City compressor is a company that rebuilds compressors, they have nothing to do with Trane or any brand they sell.

http://www.citycompressor.com/home.html

[tylerjking]

the parts guys at trane told me trane owns them....going by past experiences they're probably wrong

[jayguy]

many parts houses (including trane) sell REBUILT compressors...so just because it came from a trane parts house doesn't mean that it was rebuilt/remanufactured by trane.

there are 3 types of compressors...

1. BRAND NEW compressors. last year the casting was a land rover frame. this year it was melted down and now it is a compressor. these are usually reserved for brand new equipment

2. REBUILT compressors. this is a compressor where the oil pump was the only bad part (according to the rebuilder) so it got a new oil pump and new paint...out the door at half the price of a REMANUFACTURED compressor. maybe it was just a FEW of the connecting rods that were really bent...the others weren't that bad...new paint...out the door.

3. REMANUFACTURED compressors. this is a compressor where the casting was kept (what's to go wrong with a casting?) and the guts are completely new...maybe the crank is kept...maybe not. but basically, all new.


what do you buy? i have installed REBUILT and REMANUFACTURED compressors. the REBUILT ones work but look like crap. i have to use the old CCH and terminal box covers, etc. maybe the REBUILT ones will last 6 years where the REMANUFACTURED ones would last 15 years...who would notice the difference?



i would know.

[cperk]

I call trane POS in my opinion. Other has to stick his nose in to advocate trane, which is fine and dandy. Hey it is free country.
BUT when I ask him/her to tell evryone the goods, he/she has nothing to say.
SO I deliver my opinion on POS trane, they have nothing to say except "Oh ! he/she is a trane hater"

I don't hate POS trane. The key word is hate. Trane equipment is as bad design as Carrier light commercial units. But I don't call Carrier POS. Nor I call Goodman POS. Hey! Customer pays for what he get. As long as the seller don't over-exagerate to the point of lying.

I just simply don't like them call tehmselves best whereas they are not . And the people who know very little about the equipment, keep parates about it. They even advocate it. AND HAD NOTHING TO BACK IT U.

But to me, it is fine for a technician to advocate the equipment you serve/sell. Then advocate it and TELS US the goods it has.

Example:
If you are a Chevy dealer, then of course you say Chevy is best. I understand and have no problem.
But if someone asks you about the flaws on the Chevy that everyone is experiencing, you say like "Chevy is good" and pull your pants up and ran away ????

It is just an example my Chevy lovers.

I am Lennox dealer and trane dealer for 30 years. So I know them and sell them all. I have never once tell my customers trane is POS in front of their face. I don't care what they buy. I PRESENT, THEY CHOOSE

If one says "this equipment is better then the other", then let us know what is good/better then other?

Don't just say "trane is better", then has nothing to say.

When I say trane is POS, then I deliver the bads. AND I did.

A boxer claims he is the best. But he backs out all challenge -- WTF ??

Lennox has a commercial line? HEY are you the guy with big mustache in the Lennox ads?