Is it ok

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

i was working on a victory m# fs-rd-s7-ew reach in freezer today. I changed the capillary tube to the unit double feed half hourse power r404a refrigerant. the pressure to the high side was 150psig low side was 18psig the unit also have a regulator on it's suction line.
My is do you think the pressure is ok first of all on top of that the school had two thermometers in the box. Both were reading 35* but i had the top off the box for almost an hour do you think the pressure is bad or the thermometers are bad room temp was about 75*
the reason i asked this question is because usally when i do a capillary tube i see a little freezing up by the compressor i also only monitored the unit for about 30minutes needed to go home and the school was closing the kitchen please tell me if you think it sounds like a problem . i got there number and i'm going to call in the morning to just be sure any advice is goood please

[JKSERVICES]

You might be a little low on gas, depends on temp in box, usually like my head on a 404A box at 75 degree room temp probably going to be around 225. If you see ice forming on the suction line usually means its overcharged. Here is some info from victory on that unit. (could not find exact model #) http://www.victory-refrig.com/pdf/FS-FSA-EW.pdf

[Othoni]

I do a lot of refrigeration for NYC schools and dealt with victories and trauslens.....Did you take the cover off the evaporator coil and see if the fan was spinning????...With victory reach in freezers the evap coil has to reach a certain temperature before the fans kick on because there is a fan sensor on the coil (2 yellow wires) which is next to the defrost sensor (2 red wires)....Usually when the fan is running you should get 22pisg on your suction and around 200 on your high side....If the fan is running adjust your c.p.r valve and monitor your pressures...If you don't see a difference you most likely have to change your cpr valve or something else might be up but I can't tell you without additional information

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

The unit gave me afalse reading because I didnlt look inside the coil it was clogged with debri. I chemically clean the and realized that I didn't put enough gas in the unit. I add gas and the unit dropped to 17*. I hate recalls with a passion but it feels good to leave the costumer happy

[jpsmith1cm]

The unit gave me afalse reading because I didnlt look inside the coil it was clogged with debri. I chemically clean the and realized that I didn't put enough gas in the unit. I add gas and the unit dropped to 17*. I hate recalls with a passion but it feels good to leave the costumer happy

Advice for future work on cap tube units.

If you do anything with the charge, pull and weigh in amount listed on data plate.

This will save you a LOT of headaches with over/undercharged units.

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

My company don't supply us with scales. the first person who trained me taught me that way. you charge it and walk away

[VTP99]

My company don't supply us with scales. the first person who trained me taught me that way. you charge it and walk away

What no scale ? You got to be kidding right ? One of the first tools i bought was a scale. How can you do anything without one ? :anyone:

[uniservice]

Back in the day before scales, it was the touchy-feely, frost line method or a charging cylinder.

[jpsmith1cm]

My company don't supply us with scales. the first person who trained me taught me that way. you charge it and walk away

If you don't use a scale, how in the heck do you know how much gas to bill for?


Seriously, a good charging scale pays for itself very quickly.

[ride4life162]

[QUOTE=jpsmith1cm;6487592]If you don't use a scale, how in the heck do you know how much gas to bill for?


ha ha id look at the tag and see how much its supposed to hold and bill them for that

[VTP99]

[QUOTE=jpsmith1cm;6487592]If you don't use a scale, how in the heck do you know how much gas to bill for?


ha ha id look at the tag and see how much its supposed to hold and bill them for that

Sounds like a fool proof method to me. NOT !!!
Remote apps. should be a lot of fun. Do you guess there to ?

[KC_1sickEvo]

My company don't supply us with scales. the first person who trained me taught me that way. you charge it and walk away

Def not the right way. Like everyone else said " How do you know how much refrigerant to bill for" ??? Not all units have a ref weight tag to go by. Especially the really old reach-in's with the worn out model # tags on the inside lol.

[iceman777]

Ditto: a scale is worth its weight in gold when working on reach-ins and icemakers.

[surenuff]

You might be a little low on gas, depends on temp in box, usually like my head on a 404A box at 75 degree room temp probably going to be around 225. If you see ice forming on the suction line usually means its overcharged. Here is some info from victory on that unit. (could not find exact model #) http://www.victory-refrig.com/pdf/FS-FSA-EW.pdf

thanls for the link!!!! Now we will know how wide the doors should be. LOL

[Joe Harper]

My company don't supply us with scales. the first person who trained me taught me that way. you charge it and walk away

You should really look for a company that will invest some time and training for you. This one wont be around for a long time anyway.

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

The contract that my company have charges one set amout for each gas. So when we write our invoice we write full charge no matter what. but on walk ins we just guess a number. My only wants to make sure the 30 pounds are acounted for.

[pecmsg]

Who are you working for?

Its spring, you might want to begin looking around.

[VTP99]

The contract that my company have charges one set amout for each gas. So when we write our invoice we write full charge no matter what. but on walk ins we just guess a number. My only wants to make sure the 30 pounds are acounted for.

Very interesting
Just wondering do you have a lot of call backs ?

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

as of right know i have about 80 percent no call backs i'm trying to get that hundred. can you inform me on what is intresting please. i am ready to listen. every man craves wisdom.

[pecmsg]

as of right know i have about 80 percent no call backs i'm trying to get that hundred. can you inform me on what is intresting please. i am ready to listen. every man craves wisdom.

80% WOW we’ve got a supper tech. (if your going to hang around here and learn, grow a thick skin)

Now define call backs!

You have the post count. Apply for Professional Status.

PS: It takes time once you file. Don’t pi$$ off the membership committee there GRUPPY

[VTP99]

as of right know i have about 80 percent no call backs i'm trying to get that hundred. can you inform me on what is intresting please. i am ready to listen. every man craves wisdom.

What is interesting is the fact your boss provides you with no scale & he charges a flat rate for the refrigerant. Also what is interesting is you charge refrigeration equipment with refrigerant and have no idea how much your putting in. Vary Vary Interesting.

[pecmsg]

What is interesting is the fact your boss provides you with no scale & he charges a flat rate for the refrigerant. Also what is interesting is you charge refrigeration equipment with refrigerant and have no idea how much your putting in. Vary Vary Interesting.

Take it easy, myself included. We all learned someware.

[VTP99]

Take it easy, myself included. We all learned someware.

I hear ya pecmsg
I just can't believe his employer.

[pecmsg]

I hear ya pecmsg
I just can't believe his employer.

NYC has a lot of refrigeration company’s and I’m sure the same percentage of good and bad as every ware else.

[jpsmith1cm]

The contract that my company have charges one set amout for each gas. So when we write our invoice we write full charge no matter what. but on walk ins we just guess a number. My only wants to make sure the 30 pounds are acounted for.

I wonder what the EPA would say about this?

Not criticizing you, but your employer AND your customer.

I have a large grocery chain under contract, and they are pretty exacting in their refrigerant accounting practices.

This might be one of the reasons that they just won the EPA GreenChill award.



I agree that you will need to grow a thick skin around here to last very long. Service guys can be a rough bunch in person, add in the anonymity of the internet, and you get a bunch of armchair cowboys.

Make NO mistakes, though, there are a LOT of VERY smart individuals (present company excluded) that reply to posts here. Sometimes you have to sort through a bit of chaff to find the kernel of grain, though.

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

please don't get mad at me i'm treing to feed my family that's all. Hey like i tell the costumer i am just a messenger

[jpsmith1cm]

please don't get mad at me i'm treing to feed my family that's all. Hey like i tell the costumer i am just a messenger

Speaking for myself, I am in no way mad at you. Hell, I WAS you just a few short years ago.

I am just trying to point out ways that you can improve yourself. By improving yourself, you will make yourself more valuable to the contractor AND the customer.

If you are more valuable to your contractor and customer, then you will be paid better.

If you are paid better, then you can eat steak instead of hamburger casserole.

:anyone:

[surenuff]

Believe it or not, I still use a charging cyclinder for real small systems that are retrofit refrigerants.

[Joe Harper]

please don't get mad at me i'm treing to feed my family that's all. Hey like i tell the costumer i am just a messenger

Its all right dude, no one is mad at you. We are all out there everyday doing what we can to make that dollar. You will run into some individuals on here that take someones lack of knowledge as a reason to mess with you. Dont worry about it, they dont seem to last long on here. Most of us are more than happy to help you find the solutions to your refrigeration problems. Get you going in the right direction, doing the proper procedure and all kinds of things that will make your life easier. Best of all its free. Of course beware, you get what you pay for sometimes!

But like the other posters have stated. A scale or even charging cylinder will make life a lot easier for you.

[Phase Loss]

Its all right dude, no one is mad at you.


I for one have nothing to do with this thread, BUT I AM PISSED.

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

If you add two feet to your suction line is it ok to scale the same amount,
Of refrigerant in a self contained unit. Some of the units I work on are altered
A lot by these guy who know more than the people who designed the unit
And tested it. It 404 refrigerant they change it to 409 because they feel 409 have
Less restrictions. This is what I run into everyday never fail that is why I don't have a
Scale guys. These engifakes make my job h*rder with or with out a scale.

[Joe Harper]

Whatever these "engifakes" tell you, forget you ever heard.

404 and 409 use two different oils. You should scale the refrigerant, if for anything just to know how much you put in the system. That way you can make educated changes after the the unit has been raped and beaten.

[VTP99]

If you add two feet to your suction line is it ok to scale the same amount,
Of refrigerant in a self contained unit. Some of the units I work on are altered
A lot by these guy who know more than the people who designed the unit
And tested it. It 404 refrigerant they change it to 409 because they feel 409 have
Less restrictions. This is what I run into everyday never fail that is why I don't have a
Scale guys. These engifakes make my job h*rder with or with out a scale.

True,
Stay true to this site and you will get the correct answers. Lots of guys want to help you here. Most the techs here have there own tools I'm guessing. This does not happen over night. Think about getting your own tools slowly as you can. After all your in this for the long haul right ?;)

[Joe Harper]

You will never be done buying tools. Just as soon as you buy a new tool, another one will break, or run away and find a new home.

[VTP99]

You will never be done buying tools. Just as soon as you buy a new tool, another one will break, or run away and find a new home.

I hate when my tools grow legs:gah:

[76olds]

If you add two feet to your suction line is it ok to scale the same amount,
Of refrigerant in a self contained unit. Some of the units I work on are altered
A lot by these guy who know more than the people who designed the unit
And tested it. It 404 refrigerant they change it to 409 because they feel 409 have
Less restrictions. This is what I run into everyday never fail that is why I don't have a
Scale guys. These engifakes make my job h*rder with or with out a scale. Adding 2 feet to suction line use the nametag charge. If you add a larger drier then you add more (the drier box shows how much refrigerant it holds, figure out the difference and add to the charge). If you are using R409a in a R12 unit charge use about 80% of the nametag charge keeping in mind the drier correction. As far as the engifakes replacing R404a with R409a, I really don't know what to say on that one. R134a to R409a, seen that done and it works. But R404a wow. Like other's have said, using a scale makes thing so much easier. Good luck.

[TRUETOTHEGAME]

True,
Stay true to this site and you will get the correct answers. Lots of guys want to help you here. Most the techs here have there own tools I'm guessing. This does not happen over night. Think about getting your own tools slowly as you can. After all your in this for the long haul right ?;)

That is why I"m here so that I can stop eating chicken I want steak.

[jpsmith1cm]

That is why I"m here so that I can stop eating chicken I want steak.

THAT is the attitude to have.

:payattention:

[Phase Loss]

I want steak.

16oz Prime Rib, OUTBACK style...with 2 fully loaded baked potato's and a beer.