"Another Day at the Office"

[2hot2coolme]

Dontcha just love all that "Band-aid"

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Gotcha "Cased Coil" :)

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[i_got_ideas]

Is it just me or is that condenser 4 feet tall......when compared to the fence.


Great looking install. Nice metal work.


Just one thing, Where's the filter?

[BaldLoonie]

Now that is a nice improvement.

We put in a 2 ton 12 SEER R410a unit, about as big. When I saw the box in the back of the truck I thought they brought the wrong unit :)

[Dowadudda]

I don't do any residential replacement or install work, but I can recognise a great job still the same. Beutifull.

[mayguy]

Looks good! Was the same old Humid put back on? (Must be installed in back)

I hope that window isn't a bedroom window.

[infwsdm]

at least that unit is nice and quiet being under the window and all.

Mayguy-notice the humidifier on the left of the coil. follow the drain line.

nice job.

[2hot2coolme]

Itsa huge "heavy" unit, i can barely fit it in my truck.
Filter is inside furnace,Trane makes a nice adjustable filter rack. Funny thing was the husband did'nt want any extra air cleaner, but when the equipment was all already installed, the wife came down and asked: "Where's the electronic air cleaner" :rolleyes:

[Diceman]

Nice job.
Trane condensers are sooooo big it is scarey.

[infwsdm]

is that a filter drier on the liquid line at the evaporator?

[James 3528]

Originally posted by infwsdm
is that a filter drier on the liquid line at the evaporator?

Yep and it is a great place to put it. I do it all the time. They don't rust.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by James 3528

Originally posted by infwsdm
is that a filter drier on the liquid line at the evaporator?

Yep and it is a great place to put it. I do it all the time. They don't rust.

Trane has the filter drier built into the condensing unit, I was wondering why he added another.

[James 3528]

I have also mistakenly done that too. With no adverse effect.

[Steve Wiggins]

Yeah that is pretty work but aren't the 5 tonners supposed to have the return taken from both sides?

[2hot2coolme]

I'ts a 4 ton unit.
As far as the filter drier...some people i've talked to say the drier that comes with the unit is'nt that great, i always purge & pressure test with nitro, then pull a deep vac with 6cfm pump. sometimes i install drier on new complete install, sometimes i don't...depends on how i'm feeling that day :)
And yes...you need a wraparound return for a 5 ton or set furnace on box and pull return air from the bottom of the unit.

[Edited by 2hot2coolme on 05-15-2004 at 07:43 PM]

[teyota]

Why no B-vent for the flu. What part of the country are you in. Where I am at you are required to use B-vent material, and you must seal all joints with mastic or silver tape. Also required to use P-trap on condensate drain. It is a nice looking install though. Please don't take any questions as criticism. Also what year UMC book do your inspectors use.

[pro-hvac]

:confused: 4 Tons! Thats what the unit weights; right?

[Edited by pro-hvac on 05-16-2004 at 05:18 AM]

[pro-hvac]

:eek: Dam, my 6 cfm Robinair pump implodes aluminum coils!

[Edited by pro-hvac on 05-16-2004 at 05:32 AM]

[Diceman]

They don't use aluminum coils do they?
Ugh.

[dash]

Definate reduction of ESP,with the transition on the return duct.Nice looking job!

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by pro-hvac
:eek: Dam, my 6 cfm Robinair pump implodes aluminum coils!

[Edited by pro-hvac on 05-16-2004 at 05:32 AM]

:rolleyes:

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by Diceman
They don't use aluminum coils do they?
Ugh.

Spinefinned Baby! ;)

[ricm]

I deal in Trane, spinefin is good for heat transfer... but a horror to clean, especially if there are poplar trees in your area... I've had two unit's where I had to open them to fix another person's leak... and put in a filter drier... and seemed to be quite the restriction, as I didn't remove the old drier (older R-22 systems). Had to go back and cut out the lame drier that they install at factory. Yep, the 410a units are brige pylon tall... but who cares, if it's efficient and looks that good... eh?

[ricm]

Nuther Kwik Kwestion... are line sets, standard with most companies in the U.S.? I know that they are less restrictive in relationships to fittings... and cheaper... but more challenging to make look good in the final install... There is a balance there somewhere...

[grasshopper]

Very nice job.
Just a few questions....
1 do you not have clearance code issues with the electric meter? Here our condensers must leave 4 ft of clearance.
2 Are you not required top have flexable "canvas" connections(expansion joints) isolating your ductwork from the supply and return trunks?
3 (Already mentioned) was about the single wall vent pipe versus B-vent.
4 (already mentioned) was about the drains being tied together without traps and no vent.

I just wanted to repeat that it is a great looking job.

[arc8]

You mean the owners didn't mind that cond unit outside the window? The owners must not be picky.
Where I'm at, the LL drier doesn't rust.
What kind of pad is that? under the cond (it's not color coordinated).
I didn't see the high efficiency air filter (what's up the quality work).

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by arc8
You mean the owners didn't mind that cond unit outside the window? The owners must not be picky.
Where I'm at, the LL drier doesn't rust.
What kind of pad is that? under the cond (it's not color coordinated).
I didn't see the high efficiency air filter (what's up the quality work).


(1) Thouhgt about putting the condenser on the ROOF but my rope was too short.
(2) I'm color blind
(3) Why don't you go back to that customer and sell them a high efficiency air cleaner for me...last i heard was that they did'nt want one. (Quality? what's that?)

[mattm]

Looks great. Does that XL14i have the unloading scroll? How does that work? Or do they even offer it I heard they did.

[Edited by mattm on 06-12-2004 at 02:55 PM]

[2hot2coolme]

The XL16i is the new 2 stage condenser with unloader, have'nt put one in yet, pretty expensive.

[2hot2coolme]

Sorry for re-posting but...this was one of my favorites, there was some nice memories on this one. Camera took a sh*t and I have'nt had a chance to fix it, or bothered to buy a new one.

[ricm]

XL14 is now the minimum here... only installed on R410a system in my town thus far... but can see it will catch up as the industry standard by next summer.

[cliebold]

looks like a carrier coil....doesn't look like a Trane (color). Looks like a casement window, bet it doesn't open far now.

[-80guru]

Not a criticism, just a comment, not just for this but all the basemant and mech room jobs. You should have a minimum 3" pad to set your furnaces on, wether your jurisdiction requires it or not. I would never set a furnace directly on the floor.

[heinee]

This job looks nice. Unfortunately I would fire an installer that put a system in like this. The filter rack should be outside the furnace, drain trap, dual return air boots or bottom return per Trane. The only other problem I see is that the manual D on the surrounding duct is poor. The TEL is very high on the fittings you Have chosen for the install. Looks good though!

[James 3528]

Hello heinee

As a rule we don't tear apart other peoples installs in this area.

[2hot2coolme]

Thanks heinee...you ass! :D :D


Now take your head outta your heinee!! DORK

[amickracing]

Some things I might have done differently, nothing too major though.

I agree about setting the furnace up off of the floor, but NO ONE does that, and they think I'm nuts for mentioning it.

And to add to Hinie's comments... changeouts are about as far from a perfect world as you can get (aside from adding heat to a home that doesn't have duct). Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

[me&eye]

Please Boss add a new category on "Forum jump" for Heinee.

Let's see what should it be called ?

[James 3528]

Originally posted by me&eye
Please Boss add a new category on "Forum jump" for Heinee.

Let's see what should it be called ?



This is something else we don't do here. Never say please, ask for a new category or address Boss in public.

[heinee]

Easy! It wasn't my intention to offend anyone. I was just being honest. i do realize that on retrofits it is not always easy to make it perfect. It just seemed that a few key fundamentals and standard practices were missed. It is clear that this installation was done with pride, and that is nice to see.

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by heinee
Easy! It wasn't my intention to offend anyone. I was just being honest. i do realize that on retrofits it is not always easy to make it perfect. It just seemed that a few key fundamentals and standard practices were missed. It is clear that this installation was done with pride, and that is nice to see.

Dude, your goofy comment was that you would "Fire" an installer if he did the installation like that...:rolleyes:
As far as a filter rack on the outside, says who? Trane/AS have the adjustable racks inside...big deal.
Trap not necessary on an upflow system.
Wraparound return or bottom return not needed on 4ton system, 5 ton yes, this is a 4. (Per Trane?)
Manual D on surrounding ducts? How do you see this?

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by 2hot2coolme
Gotcha "Cased Coil" :)


It's ABOUT time! :D

Does that unit pull so much electricity that it requires its own meter base? :D

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by amickracing
I agree about setting the furnace up off of the floor, but NO ONE does that, and they think I'm nuts for mentioning it.

I guess I need to post some more of my pictures then. ;)

[Knight97]

2hot: Are there no straight sides on the return air transition? Also, is it vented correctly? not to beat you up there, but darn near most installs need bvent. Of course it's switching to pvc with these freaking gas prices. By the way, electric heat is cheaper now ain't it? At least in my part of the woods. Me thinks anyways.

heinee: what fittings have high tel? put turning vanes in boot? greater length on return trans? what would you have put in? the firing thing was a bit over the top, but heh, i got a kick out of it. I think i just learned to laugh at everything now.

We need a 3' path to electric, gas meter.

All furnace manufactures inside cabinet filter arrangement sucks.

Looks nice. I really want to know the things you can't see from the pictures though.

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by jultzya

Originally posted by amickracing
I agree about setting the furnace up off of the floor, but NO ONE does that, and they think I'm nuts for mentioning it.

I guess I need to post some more of my pictures then. ;)


OK, I'll admit that I did learn at least one thing, (actually 2 things from you Jultzya) (Jultzya???... what the hell is that your last name???) :)

I now set my furnaces on either rubber feet or them fancy plastic "furnace feet"

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by Knight97
2hot: Are there no straight sides on the return air transition? Also, is it vented correctly? not to beat you up there, but darn near most installs need bvent. Of course it's switching to pvc with these freaking gas prices. By the way, electric heat is cheaper now ain't it? At least in my part of the woods. Me thinks anyways.

heinee: what fittings have high tel? put turning vanes in boot? greater length on return trans? what would you have put in? the firing thing was a bit over the top, but heh, i got a kick out of it. I think i just learned to laugh at everything now.

We need a 3' path to electric, gas meter.

All furnace manufactures inside cabinet filter arrangement sucks.

Looks nice. I really want to know the things you can't see from the pictures though.

Not quite sure what you mean on straight sides on the return air transition.??

I've noticed a lot of guys here mentioning the B-vent on equipment. I can see where that makes sense, but for some reason, 24ga flue pipe is ok here.
We have to use B-vent when terminating with chimney, but before that, rigid 24ga 4" pipe is fine.
I will not argue :D

[heinee]

knight97... The firing comment was a little over the top. Interior corners on a radial 90 degree elbow cause higher TEL's then if they had been radial. Smooth turns are great for increased static pressures and volume. Unfortunately the industry has gotten lazy today. Manufacturing custom radius fittings can change a systems dynamics greatly. The most important of these can be fixed during a replacement. Distribution is the key to installed efficiency.