Racks RULE!!! Loops are *****EN!!!

[R12rules]

Hehehehe ....LOL .... my first real hard day's work for the new company.
Changed out a fifteen horse copeland, low temp.

I only burned myself half a dozen places. Didnt break nuthin' though. Nobody got hurt. :D

That was soooo cooool!!!


I got some literature to read tomorrow. I believe we have series 4000 comtrol. If that makes sense.


Love it, love it, love it!!!

[condenseddave]

MSC4000 Comtrol.


Nice.

Are you enjoying this, BTW? Should we send a psychiatric safari to Texas???????????????:p

[Senior Tech]

Somebody got to play today...whhhhhhhoooooooooooo hooooooooooooooo!!!

[bowman]

Loops suck...lol...Wait till you have a loop store with no valves at the cases and have to work on a case....Ohhh yea btw comtrol sucks too....Can you say eci/danfoss....eric

[icemeister]

It's great to see someone enthused about his work. The sharing of this excitement is yet another of the great benefits of this site.

I have a question about the term "loop" system. When did this nomenclature become popular? Back in the mid-eighties when I first got involved with what is considered a loop system we called them extended header systems. Prior to that we had some remote header setups and such but I had never heard the loop term until a few years ago.

But then, maybe it's just because I've out of the loop, so to speak. ;)

Not installing adequate isolation valves in a system from the git go is false economy in my book. A LL and SL shutoff on every case and evaporator in the store should be the norm. If they are included in the case specs and provided by the case mfr they're really not that much extra in the overall scheme of things.

It's rare to see isolation valves at condensers and reclaim coils these days too, that is unless Dave's already been there and burned 'em in. :D

[frozensolid]

I have always heard them called loops, why who knows?

If you think about it just about every system we deal with is a loop.

I have only ever dealt with one system that was not a loop, a Flash Freezer that used nitrogen as a consumable. Sprayed Nitro right on the bread down a conveyor. Tanker a day.

Don't worry R-12 someday you'll get to change a big compressor.

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by bowman
Loops suck...lol...Wait till you have a loop store with no valves at the cases and have to work on a case....Ohhh yea btw comtrol sucks too....Can you say eci/danfoss....eric

Or my personal favorite, the flooding TX valve, SOMEWHERE on the loop.:rolleyes::eek:

[R12rules]

Originally posted by condenseddave
MSC4000 Comtrol.


Nice.

Are you enjoying this, BTW? Should we send a psychiatric safari to Texas???????????????:p

Yeh, this is what controlls the A/C. Got to punch some buttons today. Nice indeed.

[R12rules]

Originally posted by bowman
Loops suck...lol...Wait till you have a loop store with no valves at the cases and have to work on a case....Ohhh yea btw comtrol sucks too....Can you say eci/danfoss....eric

These stores are just like that. No valves at the cases.


To me, going to all that trouble to pipe in a store and not also installing isolation valves .... it's like taking a shower and no using any soap!
It just makes for a dirty job!

[R12rules]

I wanna put a sign up in each dept that says; "Managers, Your Momma Dont Work Here!!! So You Must Clean Up After Your Customers YOURSELF!!!"

I walk the lines and see all sorts of product down in front of the airflow at the bottom of the cases. Dont these managers and clerks realise this is causing us to add defrosts to their cases so they stay clear?

And that is costing them boo-koo bucks in additional energy bills!


The way I see it, a store ought to be built and operated around one thing ..... the utility meter!

I see vault doors standing open with NOBODY INSIDE!!!
I see ff cases with product dropped down in the air stream.
I see product racks disrupting the case airstream and running it right out onto the floor!

It's almost like these guys think electricity is FREE or something!

[NedFlanders]

Or my personal favorite, the flooding TX valve, [i]SOMEWHERE on the loop.:rolleyes::eek: [/B]

yeah that's a good one. Or pumping down 1/2 the store to replace a valve.....brilliant!! save a few now ,pay ALOT later:p

[Freezeking2000]

The comtrol system is pretty good I use them every day here in Connecticut. They usally controll lighting, door frame heaters, compressors, condenser fan motors and all case solonoids...learn how it works well as you will be using it alot if you stay in the supermarket trade. We get major$$$$ here in Ct.

I am also glad to hear the excitement as it makes me remember back when i used to get that feeling when walking into a supermarket machine room. Today i just hope i dont see a load of oil on the floor or 22 systems in alarm when i walk in.

In 5 to 10 years you will know how I feel, the 100 hour weeks and endless nights de-iceing 20 doors of frozen or chasing down some big leak have taken their toll on me.

I am getting out and not going to do supermarket work anymore after next Tues as I have gotten another offer for something better for a 44 yr old tech.

[NedFlanders]

Originally posted by Freezeking2000 I am getting out and not going to do supermarket work anymore after next Tues as I have gotten another offer for something better for a 44 yr old tech. [/B]


that's great...someday I will follow in your footsteps....I swear,after I pay off the new truck,and the new trailer I want to get,and my house gets remodeled,and I got 100,000 in the bank.:D

I know guys that leave, then they for some cooky reason . They miss all this midnight drama...it's like a disease...a crazy disease.Or maybe it's just the $$$:D

[R12rules]

Originally posted by NedFlanders


Originally posted by Freezeking2000 I am getting out and not going to do supermarket work anymore after next Tues as I have gotten another offer for something better for a 44 yr old tech.


that's great...someday I will follow in your footsteps....I swear,after I pay off the new truck,and the new trailer I want to get,and my house gets remodeled,and I got 100,000 in the bank.:D

I know guys that leave, then they for some cooky reason . They miss all this midnight drama...it's like a disease...a crazy disease.Or maybe it's just the $$$:D

[/B]

I was told top pay here at this outfit is like 22 an hour. Is that about right for this area?

[NedFlanders]

I was told top pay here at this outfit is like 22 an hour. Is that about right for this area? [/B]

You'd have to check around...I know Texas has different costs of living and pay scales then where I'm at in So. Cal.

[bryan l]

Oh the doors being left open and product in the air stream is a piss off to EVERY supermarket guy (or gal). Its a never ending fight. And it does not matter how much you tell them they dont learn. EVER!!! But it gives us work so it cannot be all that bad ;)

Supermarket work seperates the men from the boys in my opinion. Im not saying anything about inteligence (there are allot of stupid fridge guys as well as every other aspect) but its the pressure and the requirement to make a solid well thought out, educated call on problems in a short period of time (usually) and there is usually quite a bit of $ in product on the line if you screw it up. Im glad you enjoy it, now the best thing you can do is learn as much as possable on how NOT to get the 2am call backs that wake your co-worker up for something stupid you forgot to look at, do, or not do. :)

[taylortech]

Freezeking Just curious where your going? I also live in CT. I gotta hand it to you supermarket guys there isnt much that could get my sorry a$5 out of bed in the middle of the night.

[Freezeking2000]

Taylortech I dont know how long you have been at taylor, but i used to know some of the guys there when you sold scottsman ice equip. I am going to a small Refrigeration Service Co. in Danbury Ct called Berkshire Refrigeration Service co. and i can say i will miss the big racks and such, but i will not miss the demands put on me in the supermarket world. How is Taylor to work for? is the pay good?

[taylortech]

Been there about 10 yrs. Im making 27hr but the medical bites. Plenty of O.T. I like the fact that they just give me my calls , go in once a week and pick up parts and if the calls get done nobody says boo to me. Good luck with the new gig. ( I sure do miss those ice machines, never understood why they dropped scottsman)

[Dowadudda]

R12,

I was the same way. I have always liked supermarket work. I just enjoy the rush, at 2 am, you walk in and make it happen.

I am not an old guy, but so far in all my experiences in this trade as a service tech and to a lesser degree a contractor, I have done bigger hvac, small hvac, light refrigeration and supermarkets. Rack work is just something that some guys dig and dig their whole life.

And if you dig refrigeration and dig grocery rack work, there is always plenty of opportunity to make good money. One year I did like 97 grand take home. It was awesome.

When I first went on my own, you can not imagine how tough it really was. I'd go in to look at a small walk in say at a resturaunt and I would charge the going rate and was there for like two hours. I would write the bill and see what the amounts were and I would be like. "how the hell am I ever going to make it".

In grocery work, I knew alot of the numbers that my company did, and it is demanded in grocery work. Stepping down from it, stepping out of it as my own business, the small numbers alone shocked me to hell. It was truly a rude awakening.

R12, Godspeed my man.

[R12rules]

Originally posted by Dowadudda
R12,

I was the same way. I have always liked supermarket work. I just enjoy the rush, at 2 am, you walk in and make it happen.
R12, Godspeed my man.


Thank you Dow.

[CityHvac]

it's great you found a place to land.....and like it. Thanks again for your help with the little town(?) in Texas.
I always thought that everything was bigger in Texas...if so what happened to Westbrook?

[Freezeking2000]

Hey R-12 you see more racks today?

Taylortec we should hook up someday in the next few months to shoot the s##t. The medical is a very hard thing for cantractors to eat it is like 900 to 1100 a month for a family i just got my cobra paperwork.......wow!

I do not know if you would ever want to make a move, but the opportunity may arise where i will need an experienced tech like you if you are interested. Just starting out for now so we will see how it goes with the 5 of us!