Am I missing something

[Texas-Tech]

Why is all the focus on affordable health insurance instead on affordable health care. Seems to me we're on the wrong track.

[bb]

There's one misconception in either, "affordable"

[cehs]

The liberals are PUSHING this, and they have always missed the target.
They are either shooting at the wrong target, or are pointing away from the correct target.

[printer2]

Why is all the focus on affordable health insurance instead on affordable health care. Seems to me we're on the wrong track.

That is the part I do not get.

[Texas-Tech]

Of course if that were the objective then the liberals wouldn't have control over everyone.

[double bogey]

The objective is to take over the insurance industry.

[pdrake65]

The objective is to take over the insurance industry.

Another aquistition of the socialist agenda......:gah:

[acmanko]

The objective is to take over the insurance industry.

The sooner the better, in my opinion. In fact I think the President should Militarize Health Care, Induct all of the industry into the army and be done with it. The only thing worse than some one who makes their living off taxpayers money is Insurance workers, so they might as well be combined.


Then we could all get the health care Glenac is entitled to, and look at what its done to him

[double bogey]

So you believe if the government takes over the insurance industry it will be better?

[bootlen]

The sooner the better, in my opinion. In fact I think the President should Militarize Health Care, Induct all of the industry into the army and be done with it. The only thing worse than some one who makes their living off taxpayers money is Insurance workers, so they might as well be combined.


Then we could all get the health care Glenac is entitled to, and look at what its done to him

I think TX should come under the gummint.

[printer2]

So you believe if the government takes over the insurance industry it will be better?

Actually that would have been the right move all along rather than selling out to every interest group to get a deal. It would be simple to administrate, your premium comes off your check (or your employer paying for it) and as one line on your income tax form. Sort of like our Employment Insurance scheme up here.

No bloated insurance companies deciding if you qualify or not. Mind you that would put all those insurance employees out of work and also cut advertising contracts across the country. But then again they are just overhead coming off your premium and do not actually add value to your health care.

Or to keep the crybabies still working basic coverage could be a government responsibility and private insurance companies could squeeze you for extended benefits, upgraded hospital stays, dental, eyeglasses and the like.

[double bogey]

So we would get a bloated gov agency deciding if we got treatment or not with overpaid gov employees running it. I bet our government will take 3 times as many employees as the current ins. companys now have. I have no faith in our gov making this any better. This entire "fix" is to simply to grow government and buy votes. We could eliminate half of the uninsured by getting rid of the illegals. But no, we will insure them for free and I will get to pay for it.

[printer2]

So we would get a bloated gov agency deciding if we got treatment or not with overpaid gov employees running it. I bet our government will take 3 times as many employees as the current ins. companys now have. I have no faith in our gov making this any better. This entire "fix" is to simply to grow government and buy votes. We could eliminate half of the uninsured by getting rid of the illegals. But no, we will insure them for free and I will get to pay for it.

Take a look north. We do not have the government deciding what treatment we need (As your insurance companies do.) we leave that up to the doctors.

We do not pay for non-residents health care up here. Every Canadian has a health card that you show when you get care. I had to go for some tests and they had a list on the wall saying what non-residents have to pay to be treated.

It is really not that difficult. If us backwoods Canadians can do it I can not see why a bunch of sophisticated Americans can not.

[jmac00]

So we would get a bloated gov agency deciding if we got treatment or not with overpaid gov employees running it. I bet our government will take 3 times as many employees as the current ins. companys now have. I have no faith in our gov making this any better. This entire "fix" is to simply to grow government and buy votes. We could eliminate half of the uninsured by getting rid of the illegals. But no, we will insure them for free and I will get to pay for it.


it's all ready been estimated that it will take 1500 NEW GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to administer NObmaCare

Look, everyone believes health care needs some kind of reform. The problem is no one wants it rammed down our throats.

AND ONCE AGAIN, I WILL ASK:

anyone want to show me where in the Constitution it says the government can force me to buy any product or service from the federal Government simply because I'm a citizen of the United States. :patriot:

[timebuilder]

Why is all the focus on affordable health insurance instead on affordable health care. Seems to me we're on the wrong track.

One famous economist has opined that the only way to make health services more affordable is to make it a cash market, with NO insurance. That would immediately get rid of the lawsuits and force the market to price its services so its consumers can pay for it.

It's an interesting idea.

[wgrr]

it's all ready been estimated that it will take 1500 NEW GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to administer NObmaCare

Look, everyone believes health care needs some kind of reform. The problem is no one wants it rammed down our throats.

AND ONCE AGAIN, I WILL ASK:

anyone want to show me where in the Constitution it says the government can force me to buy any product or service from the federal Government simply because I'm a citizen of the United States. :patriot:

It's there right above the part that says the SCOTUS shall have nine members to interpret the Constitutionality of cases that come before them. Right below it is the section that states that multinational corporations are people and since they can't speak vocally they are allowed to use money to "speak"

[frozensolid]

It is really not that difficult. If us backwoods Canadians can do it I can not see why a bunch of sophisticated Americans can not.

If you have been reading ARP very long, you should know "sophisticated" just does not fit.

[frozensolid]

AND ONCE AGAIN, I WILL ASK:

anyone want to show me where in the Constitution it says the government can force me to buy any product or service from the federal Government simply because I'm a citizen of the United States. :patriot:


Maybe I can help you out here jmac. Every time you get on a road or highway (DOT), every time you walk into a school (DOE), every time you get on an airplane (FAA), you are being forced to buy a govt. service. They are called taxes. I know you will think I am evil for saying this....But all taxes are not bad. :eek2:

[jmac00]

Maybe I can help you out here jmac. Every time you get on a road or highway (DOT), every time you walk into a school (DOE), every time you get on an airplane (FAA), you are being forced to buy a govt. service. They are called taxes. I know you will think I am evil for saying this....But all taxes are not bad. :eek2:


No, Going to school and using roads are NOT a products of the government, they are services of the state and local government and a tax is not a product either

NObamaCare is a direct product of the Government of the United States and NO WHERE in the constitution does it say I MUST buy any product of the government.

Unless the Congress passes a Amendment to the Constitution and it's ratified by a 2/3 majority, there is no law that says the government can force me to buy anything as a requirement of being a citizen. :patriot: someone show me the amendment........show me the law that say I MUST buy health care from the government :patriot:

[printer2]

If you have been reading ARP very long, you should know "sophisticated" just does not fit.

I picked my words carefully. I said sophisticated Americans, not that ARP members are very sophisticated. :patriot:

[Texas-Tech]

the big problem with the healthcare system here is letting insurance companies be the middle man in the process. If there were a more cash oriented system for everyday issues and some type of help for the serious care we wouldn't be in this mess. The doctors only charge the high fees because the insurance companies and medicare only pay a small % of the bill, so doctors have to raise the rates to try to get more of their money.

It's not by anyways perfect and needs to be dealt with but in a rational manor. All the Nobama plan is is control.

[jmac00]

this is why 80% of the middle class DOES NOT WANT NOBAMACARE:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703746604574461610985243066.html


Congressional forecasters in predicting costs. Start with Medicaid, the joint state-federal program for the poor. The House Ways and Means Committee estimated that its first-year costs would be $238 million. Instead it hit more than $1 billion, and costs have kept climbing.

Thanks in part to expansions promoted by California's Henry Waxman, a principal author of the current House bill, Medicaid now costs 37 times more than it did when it was launched—after adjusting for inflation. Its current cost is $251 billion, up 24.7% or $50 billion in fiscal 2009 alone, and that's before the health-care bill covers millions of new beneficiaries.


Medicare has a similar record. In 1965, Congressional budgeters said that it would cost $12 billion in 1990. Its actual cost that year was $90 billion. Whoops. The hospitalization program alone was supposed to cost $9 billion but wound up costing $67 billion. These aren't small forecasting errors.

YA, I want the government running the next health care plan. If you want the government running your health care, your a complete moron

:patriot::patriot: