Debt Is Good

[trane]

Maybe we shouldn't be so worried that we borrow every dollar we spend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZAMked0

[JRINJAX]

Isn't it amazing how an Elitist person can blow off others with no explanation except "If you were as smart as I am, you would see it my way".
I have found that invariably, that when someone can not explain something in a simple/logical form, that they lack the intelligence to be able to do it.

A truly Elite intellectual will always explain his reasoning, just to prove that he is up to the task [as a matter of ego].

[ga-hvac-tech]

Isn't it amazing how an Elitist person can blow off others with no explanation except "If you were as smart as I am, you would see it my way".
I have found that invariably, that when someone can not explain something in a simple/logical form, that they lack the intelligence to be able to do it.

A truly Elite intellectual will always explain his reasoning, just to prove that he is up to the task [as a matter of ego].

Maybe there is an alternative purpose in the lack of an explanation...

In the investment world, this is called 'market making'... in plain English this is manipulating the market for one's personal gain... And do not for a minute think politicians do not understand VERY well how to do this.

[mtc2010]

Maybe we shouldn't be so worried that we borrow every dollar we spend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZAMked0


what year is that? looks like the late 80's/early 90's???


mtc
www.airheatnt.com (http://www.airheatnt.com)

[pageyjim]

Go back to Reagan-Bush and will find many saying that the debt was too small. Greenspan warned of paying debt off too fast under Clinton was dangerous

[geerair]

Old shoot em' in the face Cheney said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

[scrogdog]

Ah, but debt and deficit spending are two completely different things.

I don't think anyone expects that we'd pay for an aircraft carrier in cash.

And you don't get to perform "stimulus packages" without an excellent bond rating.

[geerair]

Ah, but debt and deficit spending are two completely different things.True but then deficit spending contributes to the debt; in fact becomes debt.

[hvacker]

Families and Nations become dysfunctional with too much debt.
Loss of confidence leads to fear.

It's sorta interesting in recent history, radio talkers were saying debt's ok when Bush was in office, but not now.
When it was Bush's debt, ok, BO's debt, not ok. Things that make you go HMMMMM......

[scrogdog]

Debt is not a problem for the fiscally responsible. While deficit always means debt, the reverse is not true; debt does not automatically mean you're in deficit.

Without debt, business can't grow. And neither can your stocks. :)

Raise your hands... who here paid cash for thier last service vehicle?

[hvacker]

Debt is not a problem for the fiscally responsible. While deficit always means debt, the reverse is not true; debt does not automatically mean you're in deficit.

Without debt, business can't grow. And neither can your stocks. :)

Raise your hands... who here paid cash for thier last service vehicle?

Sure, banks sell debt.
I did for the vehicle before the last one, but I had reasons.

[flange]

:eek2: debt properly managed is okay, and in many cases considered healthy. excess debt is bad though. for example, if you are stable right now, dont foresee any major changes etc, we are in a situation where things have crashed forcibly with both interest ratess and home prices being low. buying a home under these conditions is good...provided you can do it. back in the eighties home prices were high, and interest rates were were nuts, with my first mortgage being 18.5%. bad news. two years later refinancing that to twelve was good. its about ratios and growth. our economy is based upon growth at a certain rate. bowwowing allows you to use tomorrows money today. so long as it isnt abused its not terrible.

[jmac00]

if this is such a great idea, how come the bank gets all bent out of shape when I want to borrow a million dollars so I can retire.

It's the same thing the government is doing? The Government has no money, no savings and a pant load of debt and yet they continue to borrow (I mean print) money.

it's really pretty simple, stop spending what you don't have :cheers:

[pageyjim]

if this is such a great idea, how come the bank gets all bent out of shape when I want to borrow a million dollars so I can retire.

It's the same thing the government is doing? The Government has no money, no savings and a pant load of debt and yet they continue to borrow (I mean print) money.

it's really pretty simple, stop spending what you don't have :cheers:

Keynesian economic principle would be for the fed. to spend money now and make cuts as we grow out of it. By cutting spending now we would be repeating same mistake made in 1937.

[jmac00]

Keynesian economic principle would be for the fed. to spend money now and make cuts as we grow out of it. By cutting spending now we would be repeating same mistake made in 1937.

so your all FOR spending our way out of debt :eek2:

[pageyjim]

so your all FOR spending our way out of debt :eek2:

You don't learn from history do you?

[printer2]

You don't learn from history do you?

How will you spend your way out if no one will give you the money to spend?

[pageyjim]

How will you spend your way out if no one will give you the money to spend?

Our credit is good

[EugeneTheJeep]

I guess that makes reason number 12 to vote Democrat in November, We can borrow more and be wealthier:eek2:

[jmac00]

You don't learn from history do you?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[printer2]

Our credit is good

Is that why the Chinese send for your president to explain the state of their investment?

[pageyjim]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

How many times did you get shocked before you learned to shut off the power?

[pageyjim]

Is that why the Chinese send for your president to explain the state of their investment?

Cute post, catchy and all but it says nothing

[pageyjim]

Is that why the Chinese send for your president to explain the state of their investment?

You are from Canada why not explain to everyone why your economy and banking system is prob. in the best shape of any in the world?

[printer2]

You are from Canada why not explain to everyone why your economy and banking system is prob. in the best shape of any in the world?

We have a more conservative banking climate and are not as highly leveraged. When we had a Liberal government they reduced spending and borrowing and reduced the size of our debt. We have resources that the world needs and the people that hold our debt know that in the future we will have the cash flow to pay them back.

How is that for the short answer?

[pageyjim]

We have a more conservative banking climate and are not as highly leveraged. When we had a Liberal government they reduced spending and borrowing and reduced the size of our debt. We have resources that the world needs and the people that hold our debt know that in the future we will have the cash flow to pay them back.

How is that for the short answer?

Pretty good. You could add that you do not overspend on defense, better bank regulations in place And healthcare costs are less of a drag on the economy.

[pineyboy]

A child with a penny is wealthier than a man in debt.

[pageyjim]

A child with a penny is wealthier than a man in debt.

Are you eating at a Chinese restraunt?

[DeltaT]

Debt is bad given the option of having no debt, period.

Debt makes you a slave. It effects you life in ways that you can't imagine.

Debt is a trick pulled on people who want something for nothing. The people who borrow will always work for the people they borrowed from. On the other hand, the lender pretty much can sit back while all of this borrowers pay him his pay check. And his life is pretty much care free as long as he goes by the rules of lending.

And yes, I've paid cash for every single service van, and most of my cars, for my entire life.

Having said that, business debt can be looked at in a different way. Because large amounts of equipment, assets are needed to be in a business borrowing money wisely for short term and then long term investing can be wise...but still not as good as paying cash.

One question...what's the highest interest rate would someone here pay?

[jmac00]

How many times did you get shocked before you learned to shut off the power?

Great the tomato keeps typing

[jmac00]

Are you eating at a Chinese restraunt?

why? you run out of feed for your Camel

[pageyjim]

Debt is bad given the option of having no debt, period.

Debt makes you a slave. It effects you life in ways that you can't imagine.

Debt is a trick pulled on people who want something for nothing. The people who borrow will always work for the people they borrowed from. On the other hand, the lender pretty much can sit back while all of this borrowers pay him his pay check. And his life is pretty much care free as long as he goes by the rules of lending.

And yes, I've paid cash for every single service van, and most of my cars, for my entire life.

Having said that, business debt can be looked at in a different way. Because large amounts of equipment, assets are needed to be in a business borrowing money wisely for short term and then long term investing can be wise...but still not as good as paying cash.

One question...what's the highest interest rate would someone here pay?

Granted no debt is better than debt, that is not the question. The question is what do we do now? It's economics 101, the government needs to spend to stimulate the economy. Deflation would be a bigger danger than it is now if we cut to much to quickly. Go back to the Great Depression, we were coming out of it until pressures to cut spending in 1937. Which we did and lengthened the depression. Debt spending at this level should't continue forever, we would then be able to cut back afterwards.
But ignore economics and history and repeat your cute sayings and get ready for the worste.

[DeltaT]

If the government would get out of the way and let the ingenuity of the people of this country pratice our various trades and allow our inventivness flow again, all would take care of itself.

The Federal government only has two assigned jobs: to defend this country and to keep the playing field level in business.

The Federal government has not ever had business people who were successful at running any sort of free enterprise business and they are the last who should have any control over free enterprise other then keeping the playing field lever.

This is not the 30's and this is not the same reasons for a crashed economy. This is our own government breaking the back of the free enterprise system for their own benefit.


Funny, just last night I listened to a story about George McGovern, who sat in congress for many years making up laws for businesses to conform to. He retired and opened up a bed & breakfast and went out of business in two years, as the story goes, because he could not run his business profitabily because of all the government regulations.

[pageyjim]

Let's cut some spending. Cut the defense budget in half and make our allies pull their share. Plan withdrawls from Afghanistan and Iraq. Cut subsidies to industrial farms. That is prob a total of 500 billion

[jmac00]

Let's cut some spending. Cut the defense budget in half and make our allies pull their share. Plan withdrawls from Afghanistan and Iraq. Cut subsidies to industrial farms. That is prob a total of 500 billion

ya there ya go, as soon as you figure out how to do that, call your girl friend Hitlery Clintoon and tell her, she could use the help:anyone:

[pageyjim]

The unregulated free enterprise system is what caused this and it did in 1929 also. Here is something all libetarians should read





http://i.imgur.com/590Ev.png

[jmac00]

The unregulated free enterprise system is what caused this and it did in 1929 also. Here is something all libetarians should read





http://i.imgur.com/590Ev.png


the free enterprise system also brought us back to prosperity

[pageyjim]

the free enterprise system also brought us back to prosperity

Sure after regulations were put in place

[pageyjim]

ya there ya go, as soon as you figure out how to do that, call your girl friend Hitlery Clintoon and tell her, she could use the help:anyone:

She would have done more than anybody else towards that end

[jmac00]

She would have done more than anybody else towards that end

she would be much better at it if she learned how to "smoke a cigar"

[whec720]

If the big shots, such as Soros, wanted her; she would have been President. They thought BHO was a better choice, so he gets the nod. The movers and the shakers call the shots.

Even a piece of cow dung like Soros knows Hillary is a tard. She's smarter than Biden, but that is not saying much.

[pageyjim]

If the big shots, such as Soros, wanted her; she would have been President. They thought BHO was a better choice, so he gets the nod. The movers and the shakers call the shots.

Even a piece of cow dung like Soros knows Hillary is a tard. She's smarter than Biden, but that is not saying much.

Really the right wing republicans are responsible for Obama beating Hilary in my opinion. Dems in power thought she would have more divisive and an easier target so she got dumped in favor of Obama. Just my opinion nothing to back it up

[pineyboy]

Are you eating at a Chinese restraunt?

No I just seem that on a sign last week and thought this would be the only chance I would get to quote it.

[pageyjim]

No I just seem that on a sign last week and thought this would be the only chance I would get to quote it.

lol that's funnier than mine

[pageyjim]

If the government would get out of the way and let the ingenuity of the people of this country pratice our various trades and allow our inventivness flow again, all would take care of itself.

The Federal government only has two assigned jobs: to defend this country and to keep the playing field level in business.

The Federal government has not ever had business people who were successful at running any sort of free enterprise business and they are the last who should have any control over free enterprise other then keeping the playing field lever.

This is not the 30's and this is not the same reasons for a crashed economy. This is our own government breaking the back of the free enterprise system for their own benefit.


Funny, just last night I listened to a story about George McGovern, who sat in congress for many years making up laws for businesses to conform to. He retired and opened up a bed & breakfast and went out of business in two years, as the story goes, because he could not run his business profitabily because of all the government regulations.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-murder-and-the-meaning-life/201004/atheistic-liberals-are-smarter-funny-reason

[glennac]

Really the right wing republicans are responsible for Obama beating Hilary in my opinion. Dems in power thought she would have more divisive and an easier target so she got dumped in favor of Obama. Just my opinion nothing to back it up

Well page I think I got you figured out. You are one of Obama's chief dog washers and trying to beat out geer for the top position as head dog washer for the Obama regime in the HVAC trade. That is your are washing his dog when you aren't shinning his shoes figuratively that is. :) Thank you, thank you very much.

[pageyjim]

If the government would get out of the way and let the ingenuity of the people of this country pratice our various trades and allow our inventivness flow again, all would take care of itself.

The Federal government only has two assigned jobs: to defend this country and to keep the playing field level in business.

The Federal government has not ever had business people who were successful at running any sort of free enterprise business and they are the last who should have any control over free enterprise other then keeping the playing field lever.

This is not the 30's and this is not the same reasons for a crashed economy. This is our own government breaking the back of the free enterprise system for their own benefit.


Funny, just last night I listened to a story about George McGovern, who sat in congress for many years making up laws for businesses to conform to. He retired and opened up a bed & breakfast and went out of business in two years, as the story goes, because he could not run his business profitabily because of all the government regulations.


Government in the way huh? How about the internet, NASA, Continental railroad etc...

[wgrr]

You are from Canada why not explain to everyone why your economy and banking system is prob. in the best shape of any in the world?

I am not Canadian but it is a simple answer. Canada is able to pull out of the world wide economic crisis faster than the USA because Canada did not allow their banks to run wild with no regulation. With less of a burden to prop up their financial system they were able to concentrate their resources on creating jobs for the unemployed. Canada is not out of the woods yet, but they are well on their way to recovering.

[pageyjim]

I am not Canadian but it is a simple answer. Canada is able to pull out of the world wide economic crisis faster than the USA because Canada did not allow their banks to run wild with no regulation. With less of a burden to prop up their financial system they were able to concentrate their resources on creating jobs for the unemployed. Canada is not out of the woods yet, but they are well on their way to recovering.

Yes I agree

[wgrr]

The USA has been in debt every year since it was founded. I believe there was only one year that the US was not in debt. 1835 under Andrew Jackson.

Is debt good? It has been for this country; historically speaking that is.

[wgrr]

Yeah, didnt you read the following posts including mine?

Nope, I post as I read through a thread. I see that I reinforced your post. Is there a problem with that?

[pageyjim]

Nope, I post as I read through a thread. I see that I reinforced your post. Is there a problem with that?

No no no I'm sorry, I can see why you say that. I'll edit it lol

[glennac]

Government in the way huh? How about the internet, NASA, Continental railroad etc...

OK page, you have been all over this forum like a marathon runner spouting your praise for our Marxist alien President challenging facts and offering no proof for defense of the Marxists rulers in DC.

Most of the defenders of traditional free America have our profiles filled out with age, sex, location, interest, job, picture, but you have nothing. You feel free to argue with the wise elders of this forum with your radical socialist views but are afraid to say anything about yourself other than I know it all so I shouldn't have to even post a credible link to back any of my radical views.

Tells us about yourself it is only fair nearly all of the folks you are arguing with are open with their profile but you are afraid to reveal one fact about yourself. Where you born in this country? Why, where and how did you become a socialist with a desire to destroy the freedoms we have in our country.

I believe it should be a requirement to give your profile if you take on those of us who are not afraid to reveal ourselves. Especially if you ask us to trust your "knowledge" of world affairs. Inquiring minds want to know. Thank you, thank you very much

[hvacker]

the free enterprise system also brought us back to prosperity

WW2 brought us back. After WW2 the manufacturing base of most of the world was gone. A perfect storm for us to supply the world and it lasted 35 years. But other Nations caught up and many manufacturing companies chose to count their money than modernize.
When free enterprise becomes unbridled capitalism we will suffer for it.
I think the future will say, if things don't change, the shortest empire in history failed when business was allowed to globalize with out restraint.
Don't trust the guy that has his hand in your pocket.

[pageyjim]

OK page, you have been all over this forum like a marathon runner spouting your praise for our Marxist alien President challenging facts and offering no proof for defense of the Marxists rulers in DC.

Most of the defenders of traditional free America have our profiles filled out with age, sex, location, interest, job, picture, but you have nothing. You feel free to argue with the wise elders of this forum with your radical socialist views but are afraid to say anything about yourself other than I know it all so I shouldn't have to even post a credible link to back any of my radical views.

Tells us about yourself it is only fair nearly all of the folks you are arguing with are open with their profile but you are afraid to reveal one fact about yourself. Where you born in this country? Why, where and how did you become a socialist with a desire to destroy the freedoms we have in our country.

I believe it should be a requirement to give your profile if you take on those of us who are not afraid to reveal ourselves. Especially if you ask us to trust your "knowledge" of world affairs. Inquiring minds want to know. Thank you, thank you very much


lol I'll answere your questions later but first I find it typical you ignore my response that you quoted for some reason and didn't address the quote. That post was in response to your baseless and unreferenced claims that govn. is holding back the economy and free enterprise. So I posted a few quick things like the internet and the transcontinental railroad that were the biggest booms to the economy in their respective eras. And yes they wouldn't have happened without the government. Now this is common knowledge do I have to post references for these? If you really need it I will lol. Here is a post you might like.

http://i.imgur.com/590Ev.png


I actually just learned how to paste links so some might be missing because of that. And on the same note I don't know how to fill in my profile. (Your lowbrow jokes will be funny I'm sure.) But I'll get that done. Also why complain to me about that? Go to your wise allknowing "elders"
No I'm not afraid as a matter of fact, I have never just stood by ever hearing talk like this about a president any president in person. But you and your kind are filled with hate and sound very afraid. As you should be, for your warped little world is being challenged. Is it a requirement to be born in this country to be in this forum?
Until my profile is filled out view me as this; I am a gay male from Kenya here to subvert your little upside down world with truth. I enjoy walks on the beach and holding hands
Not that I wouldn't but where did I praise Pres. Obama?

[pageyjim]

http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/tripoli.html Read article 11 Why we are not a christian government

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Keynesianism.htm Keynesian economics

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201004/why-atheists-are-more-intelligent-the-religious You can argue his theory as to why but the study represented by the graph halfway down page says it all

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/04/15/tea-party-movement-confused-about-taxes-and-the-boston-tea-party/ Truth about Boston Tea Party and not related to tea party movement of today

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/internet-start.htm How the internet was developed by the US government

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=177 How the US govn helped build the transcontinental railroad

http://middle.usm.k12.wi.us/faculty/taft/unit5/westwebquest/transcontinental/index.htm How the transcontinental railroad helped build America

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1438/obama-repeating-mistake-1937 Repeat mistake of 1937

Luther Martin A Maryland representative wanted recognition that the US was to be a christian nation, but that was purposely voted down by the constitutional congress.Read near the bottom of pagehttp://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html


http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html How blue states fund red states

Here are a few links referencing some posts HAPPY GLENNAC?

[printer2]

Especially if you ask us to trust your "knowledge" of world affairs.

Who said we have to know anything about world affairs to post?

[glennac]

Who said we have to know anything about world affairs to post?

Never said or implied that. What galls me is someone posting here 24/7 defending the whole agenda of the commie Marxist Democrats running the show, posts in complete ambiguity with an attitude of supreme knowledge and authority without us knowing anything about this primadonna with such superior "in-site" and "knowledge".

In other words just who in the heck does she or he think he is?:anyone: Thank you, thank you very much

[printer2]

Never said or implied that. What galls me is someone posting here 24/7 defending the whole agenda of the commie Marxist Democrats running the show, posts in complete ambiguity with an attitude of supreme knowledge and authority without us knowing anything about this primadonna with such superior "in-site" and "knowledge".

In other words just who in the heck does she or he think he is?:anyone: Thank you, thank you very much

I kind of like a few more left wing types showing up. Allows me to move a little more to the right.

[pageyjim]

Never said or implied that. What galls me is someone posting here 24/7 defending the whole agenda of the commie Marxist Democrats running the show, posts in complete ambiguity with an attitude of supreme knowledge and authority without us knowing anything about this primadonna with such superior "in-site" and "knowledge".

In other words just who in the heck does she or he think he is?:anyone: Thank you, thank you very much

If I'm on a lot I'm recovering from surgery and have some time, if that's ok.
You speak your views and that's ok but nothing to counter it? Virtually every post is filled with slurs by you and many others.
Complete ambiguity? Lol let me be more clear then. Republicans never understand nuance do they?
Posts are backed up or are common knowledge or so I thought.
My posts respond in proportion in tone.
Everything I have posted is true and can be backed up. If it is opinion It is stated as such. Read links on previous posts

[pageyjim]

Glennac,
we got off on the wrong foot let's start over. I noticed you are a Mark Twain fan, so am I. I found these quotes especially interesting.
1)"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be- a christian"

2)"There is one notable thing about our Christianity:Bad,bloody,merciless,money-grabbing and predatory.The invention of hell measured by our Christianity of today,bad as it is,hypocritical as it is,empty and shallow as it is,neither the diety or his son is a Christian,or qualified for that moderately high place.Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilled."

3)His staunch support of labor unions where he spoke at union halls."Who are the oppressors? The few:the king, the capitalist, and a handful of other overseers. Who are the oppressed? The workers, that they make the bread the soft idle hands eat."

4) On Native Peoples "There are many humorus things in this world:Among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than other savages."

5)His work the War Prayer, a pacifist story used by VietNam protestors.

6)He was Vice President of the American Anti Imperialist League, opposing the annexation of the Phillipines.

7) And of course Huck Finn, Which was his thinly veiled satire-like commentary of life in the south.

He does have a way with words, but of course you knew that

All references can be easily found. Here is one with all of the above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain

[glennac]

If I'm on a lot I'm recovering from surgery and have some time, if that's ok................

Sorry to hear about your ailments. Heard that you had brain surgery and had half your brain removed the right half and have been operating on the left half ever since.:) Hope you get better. Thank you, thank you very much

[glennac]

http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/tripoli.html Read article 11 Why we are not a christian government

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Keynesianism.htm Keynesian economics

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201004/why-atheists-are-more-intelligent-the-religious You can argue his theory as to why but the study represented by the graph halfway down page says it all

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/04/15/tea-party-movement-confused-about-taxes-and-the-boston-tea-party/ Truth about Boston Tea Party and not related to tea party movement of today

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/internet-start.htm How the internet was developed by the US government

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=177 How the US govn helped build the transcontinental railroad

http://middle.usm.k12.wi.us/faculty/taft/unit5/westwebquest/transcontinental/index.htm How the transcontinental railroad helped build America

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1438/obama-repeating-mistake-1937 Repeat mistake of 1937

Luther Martin A Maryland representative wanted recognition that the US was to be a christian nation, but that was purposely voted down by the constitutional congress.Read near the bottom of pagehttp://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html


http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html How blue states fund red states

Here are a few links referencing some posts HAPPY GLENNAC?

Please spare us the left wing web sites and blogs. Most Americans like the America they grew up in and not some socialist welfare state your sites and Marxist President champion. Thank you very much

[glennac]

Glennac,
we got off on the wrong foot let's start over. I noticed you are a Mark Twain fan, so am I. I found these quotes especially interesting.
1)"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be- a christian"

2)"There is one notable thing about our Christianity:Bad,bloody,merciless,money-grabbing and predatory.The invention of hell measured by our Christianity of today,bad as it is,hypocritical as it is,empty and shallow as it is,neither the diety or his son is a Christian,or qualified for that moderately high place.Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilled."

3)His staunch support of labor unions where he spoke at union halls."Who are the oppressors? The few:the king, the capitalist, and a handful of other overseers. Who are the oppressed? The workers, that they make the bread the soft idle hands eat."

4) On Native Peoples "There are many humorus things in this world:Among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than other savages."

5)His work the War Prayer, a pacifist story used by VietNam protestors.

6)He was Vice President of the American Anti Imperialist League, opposing the annexation of the Phillipines.

7) And of course Huck Finn, Which was his thinly veiled satire-like commentary of life in the south.

He does have a way with words, but of course you knew that

All references can be easily found. Here is one with all of the above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain

Not particularly a fan of Mark Twain and less now with those commie type comments from him. Huckleberry Finn was a hard book to read because it rambled on thus it was hard to stay interested in it.

Liked other classics and books a lot better such as the Scarlet Letter, the Hardy Boys series, Civil War history books on great generals like General Forest, Longstreet, Lee, etc. and books on history in general. Don't care to read anti American books or articles. Thank you very much

[printer2]

Please spare us the left wing web sites and blogs. Most Americans like the America they grew up in and not some socialist welfare state your sites and Marxist President champion. Thank you very much

And to think you used to have a hard time with my post.

Boy, I almost makes me come off sounding like a republican. :tank:

[glennac]

And to think you used to have a hard time with my post.

Boy, I almost makes me come off sounding like a republican. :tank:

Well heck printer you were the only consistent liberal posting here for a while and then the far left showed up starting with geer and more followed. Naw I never crawled you to bad since I always considered you an honest liberal.

One who will debate fairly and argue the facts and not just spin, ignore and post falsehoods like several are doing now. So I never got upset with you just disagreed and sometimes agreed. Thank you, thank you very much

[pageyjim]

Not particularly a fan of Mark Twain and less now with those commie type comments from him. Huckleberry Finn was a hard book to read because it rambled on thus it was hard to stay interested in it.

Liked other classics and books a lot better such as the Scarlet Letter, the Hardy Boys series, Civil War history books on great generals like General Forest, Longstreet, Lee, etc. and books on history in general. Don't care to read anti American books or articles. Thank you very much

My favorite general was Sherman. I also like the Scarlet Letter, one of the earliest feminist works of literature in this country. Hester a strong female character living with her choices, and also as the protaganist. With the situation all the characters face, Hawthorne establishes the female as the triumphant one, something that was not done in general at that time. Ahead of his time in many ways.

[wgrr]

I kind of like a few more left wing types showing up. Allows me to move a little more to the right.

The right in this country have moved so far right I seriously doubt Ronald Reagan would be a viable candidate today.

Remember when he was President he was roundly criticized by the very far right of his party a number of times. The amnesty bill he signed into law. Pulling out of Beruit when he realized we were in the middle of a civil war. Refusing to send tens of thousands of troops to Central America. These things made people like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gingrich, et al... furious.

The right today is nominating candidates for higher office that are just nuts. Take Sharron Angle for example. Do you really think putting a nut job like her up against Ried was a good idea. It was the answer to Rieds prayers.

She gave an interview the other day to the Christian Broadcast Network and said, in a nutshell, she grants plenty of interviews and that she did not see any point in doing an interview where she would be asked tough questions because it would make her look bad and she wouldn't get any money from it in the form of campaign doations. She also stated her job, as a Senator, did not have anything to do with creating jobs in this country because it is not in the Constitution. I guess she glossed over the part about promoting the general welfare.

Whats up? Many Democrats wanted to see Ried defeated. By nominating Angle the Republicans have almost insured Ried will win in November. The Republican party would have done better if they had run a ham sandwich against Ried. At least it would have had a chance of winning.

Last I heard Angle and Ried are 50/50. When the Senate recesses Ried will go on the offensive and pound on Angle. He posted her old web site up with Angles true positions on it and she sued him for doing it. Truth is an absolute defense to slander and liable. Not to mention the fact that in most states public figures can't sue anyone for liable and slander. I guess she spoke with a lawyer and has now dropped her lawsuit. Angle has insulted and/or alienated the elderly, hispanics, Blacks, and about everyone except for the tea partiers. That gives Ried plenty of ammo.

I am not ragging on you printer, I just don't understand the Republican party today. You just gave me a chance to vent a little

[geerair]

The right in this country have moved so far right I seriously doubt Ronald Reagan would be a viable candidate today.

Remember when he was President he was roundly criticized by the very far right of his party a number of times. The amnesty bill he signed into law. Pulling out of Beruit when he realized we were in the middle of a civil war. Refusing to send tens of thousands of troops to Central America. These things made people like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gingrich, et al... furious.

The right today is nominating candidates for higher office that are just nuts. Take Sharron Angle for example. Do you really think putting a nut job like her up against Ried was a good idea. It was the answer to Rieds prayers.

She gave an interview the other day to the Christian Broadcast Network and said, in a nutshell, she grants plenty of interviews and that she did not see any point in doing an interview where she would be asked tough questions because it would make her look bad and she wouldn't get any money from it in the form of campaign doations. She also stated her job, as a Senator, did not have anything to do with creating jobs in this country because it is not in the Constitution. I guess she glossed over the part about promoting the general welfare.

Whats up? Many Democrats wanted to see Ried defeated. By nominating Angle the Republicans have almost insured Ried will win in November. The Republican party would have done better if they had run a ham sandwich against Ried. At least it would have had a chance of winning.

Last I heard Angle and Ried are 50/50. When the Senate recesses Ried will go on the offensive and pound on Angle. He posted her old web site up with Angles true positions on it and she sued him for doing it. Truth is an absolute defense to slander and liable. Not to mention the fact that in most states public figures can't sue anyone for liable and slander. I guess she spoke with a lawyer and has now dropped her lawsuit. Angle has insulted and/or alienated the elderly, hispanics, Blacks, and about everyone except for the tea partiers. That gives Ried plenty of ammo.

I am not ragging on you printer, I just don't understand the Republican party today. You just gave me a chance to vent a littleThat Angle person is a grade A nut job.

The Republican Party is reaping what they have sown.

[printer2]

The right in this country have moved so far right I seriously doubt Ronald Reagan would be a viable candidate today.

Remember when he was President he was roundly criticized by the very far right of his party a number of times. The amnesty bill he signed into law. Pulling out of Beruit when he realized we were in the middle of a civil war. Refusing to send tens of thousands of troops to Central America. These things made people like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gingrich, et al... furious.

The right today is nominating candidates for higher office that are just nuts. Take Sharron Angle for example. Do you really think putting a nut job like her up against Ried was a good idea. It was the answer to Rieds prayers.

She gave an interview the other day to the Christian Broadcast Network and said, in a nutshell, she grants plenty of interviews and that she did not see any point in doing an interview where she would be asked tough questions because it would make her look bad and she wouldn't get any money from it in the form of campaign doations. She also stated her job, as a Senator, did not have anything to do with creating jobs in this country because it is not in the Constitution. I guess she glossed over the part about promoting the general welfare.

Whats up? Many Democrats wanted to see Ried defeated. By nominating Angle the Republicans have almost insured Ried will win in November. The Republican party would have done better if they had run a ham sandwich against Ried. At least it would have had a chance of winning.

Last I heard Angle and Ried are 50/50. When the Senate recesses Ried will go on the offensive and pound on Angle. He posted her old web site up with Angles true positions on it and she sued him for doing it. Truth is an absolute defense to slander and liable. Not to mention the fact that in most states public figures can't sue anyone for liable and slander. I guess she spoke with a lawyer and has now dropped her lawsuit. Angle has insulted and/or alienated the elderly, hispanics, Blacks, and about everyone except for the tea partiers. That gives Ried plenty of ammo.

I am not ragging on you printer, I just don't understand the Republican party today. You just gave me a chance to vent a little

No problem, I understand. Both sides seemed to have decided to go further to the extreme and have forgotten about the average person.

[hvacker]

Many Conservative Republicans have become nothing more than play ground bullies.
For 60 days, MSNBC's Hardball have challenged any Republician congress person to be on the shaw and publically say Limpballs doesn't control them. So far, no takers.
What a bunch of chicken $hit$.

[glennac]

Many Conservative Republicans have become nothing more than play ground bullies.
For 60 days, MSNBC's Hardball have challenged any Republician congress person to be on the shaw and publically say Limpballs doesn't control them. So far, no takers.
What a bunch of chicken $hit$.

Your full of it hacker. No one even watches hardball. It has the lowest ratings and is nothing but a far left socialist propaganda site masquerading as a liberal news channel. What conservative would want to help those commie lovers out.:) Thank you, thank you very much

[DeltaT]

Watched the McGlugin (?) report tonight. Some guys were on shown on the program that apparently have common sense as to what's going on in America.

They say each and every American is now $47,000 in debt and getting deeper. And some happy things like if the Feds actually backed off of spending it would be a bizzion years before we were out of debt: China and some other countries are getting tired of supporting out spending spree and tons of other good news as that.

Then, of course, there was this Federal Employeed economist and one Democrate that was also featured that stated there is absolutly no debt problem and we should spend out time on other subjects.

[printer2]

PROSPECTS FOR GROWTH AND IMBALANCES BEYOND THE SHORT TERM

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/54/20/45652168.pdf

Basically the west has to reduce spending, China has to provide a safety net so its citizens would be more inclined to spend their money rather than save for the future.

Western countries would see their currencies decline in value along with their standard of living while developing countries catch up to ours.

All which is not surprising if you think in terms of world wide supply and demand. Basically the world is finding a new balance.

Came across a few facts.


China has twice as many university graduates as the United States, which used to be the world leader, according to statistics published for the first time.

In 2005, more students graduated from universities in the 19 WEI countries than in the 30 Member States of the OECD combined.

There are over 160 cities in China with population over one million.

http://www.oecd.org/home/0,2987,en_2649_201185_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

US urban areas over 1 million, - 37.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_areas

[pageyjim]

[QUOTE=printer2

Basically the west has to reduce spending,


In the long term yes but now is not the time. Basic Keynsian economics which is by far the most accepted theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

[printer2]

[QUOTE=printer2

Basically the west has to reduce spending,


In the long term yes but now is not the time. Basic Keynsian economics which is by far the most accepted theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Keynsian economics says that the government should tax a little more during good time and hold back some of the surplus. Then when there is a downturn they stimulate the economy to reduce the effect (As China has done).

Keynsian did not say that you should run deficits in good times and then borrow to get you out of a hole in the bad times. The borrow and stimulate idea is the result of western governments not squirreling away some nuts for the winter that always comes. I doubt Keynsian would have approved.

[pageyjim]

[QUOTE=pageyjim;7231902]

Keynsian economics says that the government should tax a little more during good time and hold back some of the surplus. Then when there is a downturn they stimulate the economy to reduce the effect (As China has done).

Keynsian did not say that you should run deficits in good times and then borrow to get you out of a hole in the bad times. The borrow and stimulate idea is the result of western governments not squirreling away some nuts for the winter that always comes. I doubt Keynsian would have approved.

I am just saying from where we were now. I agree we made things worste from what was done through 2000-2008

[glennac]

I am just saying from where we were now. I agree we made things worste from what was done through 2000-2008


My my and here I thought that you were an Obama worshiper. It's not like you haven't been defending the whole commie slant of the Democratic Party on this forum lately.:) Thank you very much

[pageyjim]

[quote=pageyjim;7232402]


My my and here I thought that you were an Obama worshiper. It's not like you haven't been defending the whole commie slant of the Democratic Party on this forum lately.:) Thank you very much

You are so clueless. Not an original thought ever crosses your mind does it?

Remember what Mark Twain says "Who are the oppressors? The few the King, the capitalist and a handful of other overseers and superintendents. Who are the oppressed? The many;the nations of the earth;the valuable personages;the workers;they that make the bread that the soft-handed idle eat."

Why not have a quote from Karl Marx or Mao?

[glennac]

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You are so clueless. Not an original thought ever crosses your mind does it?

Remember what Mark Twain says "Who are the oppressors? The few the King, the capitalist and a handful of other overseers and superintendents. Who are the oppressed? The many;the nations of the earth;the valuable personages;the workers;they that make the bread that the soft-handed idle eat."

Why not have a quote from Karl Marx or Mao?

You are the one who needs to get a grip. You go ahead and quote your heroes, Mark Twain, Karl Marx, Mao, Trotsky, Che Guevara, etc. They aren't mine. I like Thomas Jefferson, Gen Robert E Lee, Ronald Regan, etc. these are my heroes. Thank you, thank you very much

[pageyjim]

[quote=pageyjim;7232912]

You are the one who needs to get a grip. You go ahead and quote your heroes, Mark Twain, Karl Marx, Mao, Trotsky, Che Guevara, etc. They aren't mine. I like Thomas Jefferson, Gen Robert E Lee, Ronald Regan, etc. these are my heroes. Thank you, thank you very much

Good now I'll follow with some Thomas Jefferson thoughts and quotes. I'll burst that bubble too. I'm tired of you wingnuts stealing progressive thinkers legacies.

[DeltaT]

[QUOTE=pageyjim;7231902]

Keynsian economics says that the government should tax a little more during good time and hold back some of the surplus. Then when there is a downturn they stimulate the economy to reduce the effect (As China has done).

Keynsian did not say that you should run deficits in good times and then borrow to get you out of a hole in the bad times. The borrow and stimulate idea is the result of western governments not squirreling away some nuts for the winter that always comes. I doubt Keynsian would have approved.

Keynsian is actually a Jewish term meaning Squirrel with nuts or Squirrel nuts or something like that! Things tend to get lost in translation.

[pageyjim]

[quote=pageyjim;7232912]

You are the one who needs to get a grip. You go ahead and quote your heroes, Mark Twain, Karl Marx, Mao, Trotsky, Che Guevara, etc. They aren't mine. I like Thomas Jefferson, Gen Robert E Lee, Ronald Regan, etc. these are my heroes. Thank you, thank you very much
Dear GlennAC, You can keep Lee and Reagan. Stop trying to hijack progressive thinkers, leave them to the progressives.
Thomas Jefferson quotes

1) "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
2)" History,I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
3) "In every country and every age the priest has been hostile to Liberty"
4) "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
5)'It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there 20 Gods or no God"
6)"It is more dangerous that even a guilty person should be punished without the forms of law than that he should escape."
7)'Question with boldness even the existance of God:Because, if there be one,he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."