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[sodadude]

Has Boss ever considered opening a subject area pertaining to drunks and dopers in a spiritual recovery program?

Dude I have a major resentment right now that I seem to be unable to let go. Hopefully I will not drink over it.

I keep bouncing back and forth between anger, indignation and shame.

It would be nice for us addicted personalities to have a place to chat and read about healthy recovery ideas.

Your thoughts?

Bonus question. Who will be the first poster to tell me to take off my lace underwear? Heh, heh.

[Green Mountain]

I think that you are from Massachusetts!! And you know what they call people from Massachusetts. :)

How you been dude. The snow is pretty much off the mountain. We'll have to get together and do lunch pretty soon.

[len]

sodadude where in the hell have you been missed ya man,send me an email.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by benncool
I think that you are from Massachusetts!! And you know what they call people from Massachusetts. :)

How you been dude. The snow is pretty much off the mountain. We'll have to get together and do lunch pretty soon.

Cmon you know better than that. I am a native Vermonter just like you. Always remember that real Vermonters spread sh#t, they dont pack it!

We wont be doing Deacons Den anytime soon. Last I knew all the outside doors had been padlocked by the IRS for non payment!

[sodadude]

Originally posted by len
sodadude where in the hell have you been missed ya man,send me an email.

Will do man. We'll have to get up to speed on all the latest.

[R12rules]

Originally posted by sodadude
Has Boss ever considered opening a subject area pertaining to drunks and dopers in a spiritual recovery program?

It would be nice for us addicted personalities to have a place to chat and read about healthy recovery ideas.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts? I see it could work right here. If Don allowed us to meet on this site, we could make it work. Only problem would be interuptions by rabblerousers. It could work if people were allowed to post responces only if invited into the group. Otherwise it would be to view only. Save for the group members who could not only view, but also post and make responces.

Otherwise it would turn into a free for all and become very negative.

I await a reply from Don.

It would be an honor to participate in such a forum with y'all.

[mattm]

I've been both. Doper and drinker. Recovered. It's not easy since the temptation is everywhere.

[Diceman]

Go take off your lace.................
Aw what the hell, leave em on if it keeps ya from falling off the wagon, good luck, you can do it.
hvac guys can do anyting if they put their minds to it, otherwise you don't survive in this biz very long.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by sodadude
Has Boss ever considered opening a subject area pertaining to drunks and dopers in a spiritual recovery program?

Dude I have a major resentment right now that I seem to be unable to let go. Hopefully I will not drink over it.

I keep bouncing back and forth between anger, indignation and shame.

It would be nice for us addicted personalities to have a place to chat and read about healthy recovery ideas.

Your thoughts?



There are support groups like AA, NA, EA in just about every community. That would be a good place.

Get a book with the 12 step program and work it. Attend meetings for help.

Trying to solve these 'issues' alone is not possible. Because if it were, they would not be issues;)

On a BB, I don't think would be productive.

[condenseddave]

Might not hurt, but I'm not sure this is really the place for it. I can't see it being counter-productive, but, let's face it, when you need a meeting, you need a meeting.

[condenseddave]

Revealed what appears to be a useful site.
http://www.soberrecovery.com/links/messageboardsandchat.html
I'm gonna take a look at some of their links.

[R12rules]

Dave that's a really good link. A ton of stuff.

[R12rules]

I can see both sides of the arguement that this is not the place to hold such discussions. The flip side is; due to the inherant commaraderie of this community, there is more common ground amongst us than going to another site and starting from scratch.

There's already relationships begun here. We follow each other thru troubles as well as triumphs.

Geting into a small group would serve to reinforse what we already know about each other.
Feeling comfortable around someone is a begining towards opening up and sharing what deep down inside us hurts.


Whatever happens, happens.

[Don Sleeth]

So, are you saying a section that would be viewable by all, but only postable by members of a special group? I just want to understand what you are thinking about so I can think about it too.

don

[condenseddave]

I'm sorta wondering that myself. :confused:

Maybe it needs to be a "By request" section, so that you would have to ask for posting privileges in it, and they could be revoked if there is a problem??? It would cut down on the moderation needed in that area.

On the other hand, don, the good news is, there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of policing in this hypothetical area, I'm certain. One condition of having privileges to an area like that would have to be "watch your language", but other than that, it's not a volatile thing like ARP, or that wild Fireplace discussion.:p

[R12rules]

What Dave says here makes sense.

Originally posted by condenseddave
I'm sorta wondering that myself. :confused:

Maybe it needs to be a "By request" section, so that you would have to ask for posting privileges in it, and they could be revoked if there is a problem??? It would cut down on the moderation needed in that area.

On the other hand, Don, the good news is, there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of policing in this hypothetical area, I'm certain.

If the guys dont mind posting thoughts/ feelings which could be viewed by anyone, then this would work. Otherwise it would need to be an area where only the subscribers could view and or post inside of.

I believe the main value in hosting this type of discussion here on your site Don, the people who want this type of thing would already feel at home here. They are comfortable here. They are all known here.

I imagine the only fear or porblem would be someone coming along and posting something slandering or inflamatory towards another member of this group.

[Diceman]

Do you have to wear lace panites to be able to post in it?
I have to get some.
I don't wanna be left out.

[sodadude]

I have been clean and sober for 16 years. But the important thing is I have not had to pick up a drink today.

Two weeks ago I ran into a wall and have had a king sized resentment brewing for almost 2 weeks. I have been to meetings. I have read the Big Book. I have prayed for the people I am feeling resentful towards.

I guess when I suggested a discussion forum for people in recovery I was looking to institute one more avenue of help or a place to look for last second advice on dealing with a situation.

As we all know this site has been a great place for a great many of us to vent. And sometimes being an alcoholic it is better to write something down and move on as opposed to acting on these thoughts.

One of things the AA program teaches is we drunks are not that good at handling anger. Even justified anger. And I guess that is why I am so pissed off. It seems like everytime I feel an apology is owed to me, guess what, it aint ever gonna happen!

So once again I am going to have to humble myself and apologize for my part in this argument and once again not get the satisfaction of hearing someone else admit they were wrong.

Why do I always have to be the first one to reach out and mend a relationship?

Right now the answer is I have to, or I will drink, and if I drink I will die.

Sorry for the long post.

[Diceman]

You must know drinking does not solve anything, it only makes matters worse. Why should you hurt yourself because someone did you wrong? Like adding insult to injury isn't it?
Just have it out with them and be done with it, you will all be better off.
Good luck.

[R12rules]

Soda, I know how it feels. My Dad was a recovering A when he finally surendared his life to Christ. This was a bit late for him. He died six months later.

He could have had a great life. But his body was too far gone.

My Mother taught me to never drink when I am depressed. I have heeded her advice over the years. Even when horrendous events took place.


I can see some of my Dad in me. And I do not mean the good parts.
I really need to watch out or else I could fall into that same trap he was in.


It is all about making choices. Choices which will affect the rest of our lives. But not only our own life, but also the lives and well being of most of those around us.

[infwsdm]

Originally posted by sodadude

One of things the AA program teaches is we drunks are not that good at handling anger. Even justified anger. And I guess that is why I am so pissed off. It seems like everytime I feel an apology is owed to me, guess what, it aint ever gonna happen!



There is another book called "pulling your own strings"

This book will be the solution to your problem of resentment.

Others on the board can attest to that!

[Edited by infwsdm on 04-21-2004 at 11:27 PM]

[condenseddave]

Originally posted by Diceman
You must know drinking does not solve anything, it only makes matters worse. Why should you hurt yourself because someone did you wrong? Like adding insult to injury isn't it?
Just have it out with them and be done with it, you will all be better off.
Good luck.

If it were only that easy, there would be a 12 year row of dead bodies behind me...

[mattm]

I read something the other day that fit right into a problem my son was having. He had gotten into a little physical skirmish with a kid at school who is also on his little league team and they are friends. They both got detention and lost some recess privaliges and from the story I got from my son and the teacher the other kid started it. I told my son to appologies "Like you say "for his part" of the problem" The next day after school he told me that he told the other boy "I'm sorry for what happened the other day and hope we can get past it" The other kid was appologizing back. I know it's not always as easy as that.

Getting back to what I read..." If you want to have the last word in an argument, be the 1st to appologize"

This world is full of stubborn a*s people who think that the world revolves around them and if we let it put us in a gutter we are no better than they are.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by infwsdm



There is another book called "pulling your own strings"

This book will be the solution to your problem of resentment.

Others on the board can attest to that!

[Edited by infwsdm on 04-21-2004 at 11:27 PM]

Is that the actual title of the book? Sounds like it could be helpful.

Memo to Dice: Lace undies are optional, but it is required that they be removed before posting!

Maybe I should post a long boring synopsis of the whole scenario from start to finish and then everyone can have at it and critique. Maybe I am totally in the wrong. Maybe I feel like I handled the situation like a coward and now have to live with the shame.

It happened on Easter Sunday and I have not let it go yet.

[Diceman]

If it keeps ya from drinking, lets hear it.

[rob10]

Definitely. Laid down the booze and pills 14 years ago. Have never had the urge to pick them back up.

Anger, hate, jelousy, and all the other bad emotions not only kill you spiritually but also take a large toll on the body!!

[R12rules]

Dude, let er ripppppp ..... let it out.

[sodadude]

Basically it is a story that started about 5 years ago and has been festering ever since. When I can collect my thoughts I will try to post a condensed unbiased account of the goings on. After you read it, you will not be surprised that the Palestinians and Israelis have been fighting over a piece of land for over 2000 years.

I'm sure we all know someone that has had an argument with their neighbor over land boundries. It can actually get quite ugly.

Pretty surprising too seeing as we only "own" things while we are mere mortals on this Earth. As far as I know the Creator owns all.

[mattm]

I've had a problem with a hag about a boundry line at a rental for 11 years. She drives me F'n crazy sometimes with what she'll do to piss me off. But I just suck it in and treat her real nice and I think that steams her panties even more. "Don't get me wrong tho. I've exploded several times on her."

[sodadude]

5 years ago my wife and I bought a house at the end of a dead end road. We are the last house on the left. There is a beautiful wooded property that surrounds the side and rear of our house. I asked the realtor if that land could be built on. She said no because there was not enough road frontage to develop the property. That was my final decision in buying the house. If the property could not be developed I would have some of the privacy and peace and quiet I cherish.

Not long after buying the house, the land owner allowed the town to dump big ugly piles of road sand and salt left over from the winter roads. Apparently his land starts as soon as the paved town road ends. So I had these piles of sand pretty close to the entrance of my driveway and it blew a fair amount of sand into my driveway over the summer.

I grinned and beared it because I did not want to be fighting with my neighbor for the next 20 years. The landowner lives a couple of houses up the street from me and I am not the kind of guy that likes to make waves.

Shortly after that he dumped a large pile of creosote treated landscaping timbers that he had dug up from his yard. He proceeded to dump them right on his land next to the property line. Well it was quite an eyesore. And I had to tell my kids not to play on that side of the yard or on the timbers as they could be toxic. Namely getting a sliver or something. Also at the time I thought that it would be a great haven for insects.

Again I said nothing. What could I do? It is not my land and he has the right to do what he wants on his own property, I guess. So I let that go too.

Over the years I have seen wheelbarrows of dog crap dumped. Not to mention every kind of fill you can think of. Every once in awhile he would come down with his bulldozer and push everything over the embankment. It became obvious that he was slowly but surely building some kind of access road to his property.

I believe people have the right to access their property. And in the case of this land it would be for logging or recreational purposes. However, there is a couple of catches that have been upsetting to me and I am not quite sure how to handle it.

He recently became the town highway superintendant. With his bulldozing he is right at the start of filling in wetlands and a vernal pool. That irks me because it is against the law. My neighbor across the road is not happy either because he started the driveway right on the border of his property. My neighbor also does not like to make waves.

Shortly after that I find out the town is trying to pass a by law for people that want to develop their land but they do not have the required road frontage. Sounds like small down politics at their best trying to pull a couple of quick ones so that one of the town officials can have some special consideration. The only thing I can do about that one is to try and gather support to fight the change at the town meeting on May 3rd.

Even more recently he plopped a hugh travel trailer at the end of the road right next to the property line and now Ive got to look at that everyday. Plus they come down a lot to work and dub on the trailer. Translation: parking the camper next to my side yard took away a lot of my privacy.

I had a couple pieces of plywood and a few pieces of lumber stacked against a tree about one foot over the property line. When I came home from an Easter Sunday outing I discovered that the lumber had been stacked against the side of my shed. His wife was in the trailer at the time and I told her if we had anything on their property and it was bugging them to come tell me, I would remove it promptly and to not just throw the stuff against the shed.

She went home and told her husband I was yelling at her. Not true. I am a gentleman that yells at no woman. Ever.
He came down the road like a mad bull and right out in my yard he gave it to me both barrells. I was so unused to being verbally assaulted I had all I could do to pull myself together and reason with him.

He went on a rambling tirade about things I had to move off his property, such as a kids swingset and a small pile of split wood. When I put the swing up 5 years ago I told him it was going to be a little bit on his property and he said no problem because he never goes down in that area of the woods. He said my kids could not play ball at the end of the road anymore because it was his property. I said why dont you just tell them. They are sitting right there. He looked up at them and said to stay off his property. I just said unbelievable and walked away.

The fact that he just marched on my property, verbally assaulted me and the fact all I could do was fumble and bumble my way around some replies has left me feeling woefully inadequate as a man.

I have been to meetings. I have talked about my anger. I have prayed about it. Two weeks have passed and I am still reliving it in my head. I do not know if I am more mad at myself or him or both.

At any rate I was going to have some environmental people check out the vernal pool and the wetlands being filled in but I fear this will just escalate the tension and cause more problems. I have considered moving because I do not like even driving up and down my road anymore.

I know I can apologize for my part in any of the problem, but as far as reasoning with him or making him see the ways of his errors, well, I think that would be a waste of time.

I am usually a very happy person that gets along well with almost everyone in town. I have done Cub Scouts, coached youth basketball and I am running to get on the Recreation Committee to give more time back to the youth of this community.

Why oh why do I have to let this one event drag me down into the gutter? And Dice you are right. If I have a problem and drink over it, now I have 2 problems.

There you have it boys and girls. Blast away. I am not asking you to take sides. I am asking for your honest opinion and view on a real life situation.

BTW, print this and read it before you go to bed at night. I am sure it will help you all get to sleep! Sodadude

[condenseddave]

Make waves, f^ck it.

This guy is obviously violating some State and possibly Federal Environmental protection laws, so rat his ass out. Hell, I'd tell him I was gonna do it. I'd write letters with facts, photos, all kinds of proof, and I'd CC this sunuva*****.

I would make his life a living hell.

But, then, I would've busted his jaw after sending the children back inside, too.

You gotta do what you gotta do, especially when your kids are right there, though, so getting physical or speaking Dave-in-ese to this guy was not the brightest thing to do in that situation.

Quit beating yourself up.

Don't get mad, don't get even, but definitely even up the playing field.

Do his bosses in the town know what he's up to???

[condenseddave]

Use the EPA instead of get used by the EPA, for a change.:p

Make us all proud.

[rob10]

5 gallon can of gasoline and a few matches. Set his dung heep on fire. If you show them you are crazy, he will back off!! BTW, we do settle things this way in Louisiana!!

[sodadude]

Originally posted by condenseddave
But, then, I would've busted his jaw after sending the children back inside, too.


Therein lies my shame and woeful inadequacy. I was never taught by my Dad how to stand up for myself and how to defend myself in a fight. I have lost every physical fight I have ever been in and in all honesty I am a coward.

Not wanting my boys to go through this same path in life I picked up the phone and called some places that teach self defense. One guy who was very nice said that it would be a great thing for me and my 10 year old to take classes together. That after a year, you would feel completely different about yourself. Your sons self confidence and self esteem would rise highly. And he said so would mine.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by condenseddave
Do his bosses in the town know what he's up to???

Dave, what you have to understand is this guy is a Native to the town. I have been here 12 years.

He is like the Pied Piper in the town. He is very well liked and pretty much has quite a following.

Without having first hand knowledge I can pretty much tell you he has everyone at the Town Hall pretty much under his thumb. He is charismatic when he has to be.

So you see I have to make a choice. It is not so much taking him on(although that is part of it) as it will probably become taking on a whole group in town.

I can definitely see it escalating.

On the other hand how can I take a stand if I do not know how to physically defend myself? Right now that is the only thing holding me back.

[Collin]

Originally posted by sodadude
has left me feeling woefully inadequate as a man.




Bull****.
I admire you for keeping your cool, especially around your children.
Now is the time to teach the kids how the world works. Take pictures of the crap he has dumped and explain you are working through the system to make it right.
I hope you win!!

[mattm]

It would have been hard to hold back but you did the right thing. Kicking his a*s wouldn't have helped even though he deserves it. Go about it legally. He can't dump that stuff anywhere he wants. Get the pictures, do research, find what he is legally allowed to do and what he's not. He can't just turn a piece of land into a dump where people and children live. Have you thought of building a privacy fence? Realators will tell you anything.

A smart man can kick a violent mans a*s any day and never have to make a fist.

I know what you're feeling cause this lady that's always on me does stuff that would amaze you. She's on every commitee in town and calls every city enforcement agency she can think of over pidlly sh*t. She's lived there since the 60's and thinks she owns the street.

Maybe he'll give you a good price for your house for access if you decide to move.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by mattm

Maybe he'll give you a good price for your house for access if you decide to move.

Matt, how ironic you should mention that. His wife wanted to buy this house at the same time we did. But they had other priorities at the time.

I have buddies at work that think this plopping of stuff at the end of the road IS actually a ploy to get us to sell our home.

Yes they could have a free for all after buying this property. They would have direct access.

[Dowadudda]

cmon, my god, quit being a wus. What do you care he has the town under his thumb. What the hell does that matter. If he is a dick, I'll bet other people agree. And the fact he started barking in your yard. I mean, dude, it aint about what your dad did or didn't do for you. Just fricken do it.

Pictures, letters, police reports about all this going on. Take em to court.

And another thing. Your children are watching every move you make. Good job not to raise a fist during this front yard confrontation, but you must teach your children not to back down to this sort of thing either.

I will tell you what i did last summer. One of our neigbors is a dick. I mean this dude is a real jack. His dog comes over ****s in my yard. His kids walk through my yard. I had enough and called him up. His drunk but comes barreling out of the house. The whole block watcing including my kids. I egged him on till he threw his best punch. Then kicked him in the nuts and called the police for assault. I had about ten eye witnesses and my actions were in self defense. I also put a restraining order on him and his wife and now they are selling their home.

People like that never win when challenged. Never.

[len]

sodadude,send me your address,my wifes brother would love too have a talk with him,his name is vincent,and seeing that you are a brother coke man,i'd be more than happy to send him down your way,i might even assist,piece of **** neighbors are sometimes worst than family.gather up your fellow workers at coke have a hughe party,lots of noise see if he gives you any **** then.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by len
sodadude,send me your address,my wifes brother would love too have a talk with him,his name is vincent,and seeing that you are a brother coke man,i'd be more than happy to send him down your way,i might even assist,piece of **** neighbors are sometimes worst than family.gather up your fellow workers at coke have a hughe party,lots of noise see if he gives you any **** then.

Hey Len. Damn it all I lost your email address. I dont think Boss likes us handing them out in our posts. How can I get yours? Mike

[sodadude]

"Forgive your enemies. Nothing pisses them off more than that."

I have decided to go the route of digital pictures with a telephoto lense. One neighbor(also an ally) is an older man that is handy with the camera. We are both going to the Planning Board meeting Wednesday night to challenge the changing of the by laws concerning road frontage requirements for the developing of property.

I am hoping to get a picture of the town dumptruck dumping road salt and sand. One conservation guy said that is a no no if it is going into wetlands.

I have lots to investigate. In the meantime I will keep smiling and go about my business.

[Edited by sodadude on 04-26-2004 at 07:29 PM]

[Diceman]

Don't think you are a coward just because you ain't a big, obnoxious, disrecpectful slob of a human being like your a-hole neighbor. You are what you are, it's the reason your wife and kids love you. You have more friends than he does, oh, he may have people that act like his friends for reasons even they don't understand, but in the long run, you are better off being like you are than he is.
A real hero works hard for his family, supports them, is there for them instead of at the bar with his buddies, volunteers to coach and etc...........and that is YOU.
Does that make sense? I hope so, good luck, in the end you can win the war even if he seems to be winning the smaller battles. Anyway, best agency to call is DER, state office, they kick ass on matters like that.
Good luck.......

If all that fails, get drunk and shoot his dog.........:) Just kidding, hang in there.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by Diceman
You are what you are, it's the reason your wife and kids love you.

Dice, you have no idea how much your post just helped me and opened up my eyes.

I'll be honest with you. His wife instigated a huge part of this argument by lying to her husband that I yelled at her.
That one false statement was what lit his fuse.
She has always been somewhat of a pot stirrer.

BTW-How the hell did you know he has dogs!!!!Heh, heh.

[itsamine]

You are a better man than he will ever be. You did a good job not hitting him. Report his ass to the DEP. Invite them to have a look with out telling him. Run this ahole into the ground. Just because he has "everybody in the town under his thumb" doesn't mean he has the govt. there too. Then when **** hits thefan you'll see how many friends he really has.

If that doesn't work just feed his dog x-lax:D

[len]

sodadude i think ive got your email address somewhere,i'll send one too you.

[Diceman]

Originally posted by sodadude

BTW-How the hell did you know he has dogs!!!!Heh, heh. [/B]
Some things I just know, I don't know why I know, I just know. Know what I mean?

Something from the bible,
"The meek shall inherit the earth."
But they left out..."After all the crazy bastards kill themselves off."

[spotts]

when I lived in town. His dog slept in a little doggy bed in his bedroom. Every time he would leave I would feed his dog a can of refried beans. Bet he wondered what made that little bastard fart like that! "I don't know Mr. Vet..... I only feed him Iams!~ Ya shoulda heard him last night!"

[R12rules]

Originally posted by Diceman
Something from the bible,
"The meek shall inherit the earth."
But they left out..."After all the crazy bastards kill themselves off."

Dice, your something else .....

[condenseddave]

I think that the guy sounds EXTREMELY "Pwhipped", and does whatever she tells him to do.:D

What a homo loser.:p

[sodadude]

Originally posted by condenseddave
Revealed what appears to be a useful site.
http://www.soberrecovery.com/links/messageboardsandchat.html
I'm gonna take a look at some of their links.

Dave that turned out to be a great link. Thanks much for passing it on. Mike

[condenseddave]

Glad it helped.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by infwsdm
[QUOTE]
There is another book called "pulling your own strings"

This book will be the solution to your problem of resentment.

Others on the board can attest to that!

[Edited by infwsdm on 04-21-2004 at 11:27 PM]

Just finished reading the book and I feel it was like a tremendous help. I took the book out from the library and felt kind of rushed. I may end up buying the book and reading it a second time, it was that good.

Also, my son and I are going to start taking karate lessons together in another 2 weeks.

Maybe the combination of the two items will help me to start feeling better about myself.

Thanks for the suggestion on the book, but I gotta tell you learning to become assertive is going to take some courage and a lot of hard practice.

[len]

dude ive lost your email address,but good for you keep up the good fight,keep in mind he who turns the other cheek gets hit with the other fist,hey BOSS can i give sodadude my email address?

[sodadude]

Originally posted by len
dude ive lost your email address,but good for you keep up the good fight,keep in mind he who turns the other cheek gets hit with the other fist,hey BOSS can i give sodadude my email address?

Yeah dude you are right. Maybe my new theme song should be "No More Mister Nice Guy."

I think I will try to talk my boss into letting me go to Rhode Island a couple of days and watch the "master" in action.

Might be a good chance for me to pick up a couple of good pointers in the refrigeration world.

Then everything will be smoooooooooooooooth.

Have you ever done refer work at a McDonalds??????

[len]

yep not a lot though,the y contract some of that mcds,and b.k. work out,but if they are in a jam the kid gets the nod from the bullpen:D

[sodadude]

Originally posted by sodadude
Originally posted by mattm

Maybe he'll give you a good price for your house for access if you decide to move.

Matt, how ironic you should mention that. His wife wanted to buy this house at the same time we did. But they had other priorities at the time.

I have buddies at work that think this plopping of stuff at the end of the road IS actually a ploy to get us to sell our home.

Yes they could have a free for all after buying this property. They would have direct access.

You still post on this site? Last week I came home from work and my wife told me the neighbors wife came down and knocked on the door. She goes oh god, what now? The neighbors wife says I heard you are moving. When you sell your house could you tell me first? Dont use a realtor and pass the savings on to me! You were right the whole time.

Her balls must be made of brass and 5" around.

[len]

soda dude good to see that you are posting again.as for your problem,i can introduce wifes brother to this piece of **** for you,and it will be real quick ass whippen trust me,and if need be he will kick the **** out of his wife for you to,he has no problem doing this stuff its his bread and butter if you get my drift.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by len
soda dude good to see that you are posting again.as for your problem,i can introduce wifes brother to this piece of **** for you,and it will be real quick ass whippen trust me,and if need be he will kick the **** out of his wife for you to,he has no problem doing this stuff its his bread and butter if you get my drift.

Thanks Len, I appreciate that. If I decide to move and sell my home, the price will be very steep.

I wished you could see what these two evil ones did to my
older neighbors down the road.

There was a beautiful stand of white pine trees separating the older couple and the obnoxious neighbors fathers property.

They cut all the trees down. And right on the property line they made a driveway and plopped another travel trailer right next to the guys house!

The old guy had done some nice work on his house and had a glass enclosed room built on the end of his house. Now when he looks out all he sees is the trailer and all the other crap in the backyard.

I feel bad for him, I really do.

The BIGGEST PROBLEM with all this BS is this guy is LOWERING everyones PROPERTY VALUES.

No one is going to want to buy a house, look out the window and see all this guys crap.

[sodadude]

Originally posted by sodadude
Originally posted by mattm

Maybe he'll give you a good price for your house for access if you decide to move.

Matt, how ironic you should mention that. His wife wanted to buy this house at the same time we did. But they had other priorities at the time.

I have buddies at work that think this plopping of stuff at the end of the road IS actually a ploy to get us to sell our home.

Yes they could have a free for all after buying this property. They would have direct access.

Over two years have gone by since the "blowout" and to be truthful the neighbor has done very little dumping at the end of the road.

Check this out. After all this BS his wife called the other night and asked if we want to buy the piece of land at the end of the road!!

I told the wife we would have to hire an attorney and someone from the DEP to do a land accessment for contamination.

You see if we buy the land these dinks in all likelihood will finally be out of my life, I just dont want to get burned with any cleaning up costs.

Anyone have any thoughts about how I should get the land checked out if we decide to buy it?

[R12rules]

Hey Mike, long time, no post.

I found this old thread just a few moments ago. Once I got past what Ed wrote about wearing lace panties ... I was able to get back into my seat and read some more :D


A lot has happened here to this forum since Don made the reply to us.
Maybe someone "in the know" will help us set up the forum to "vent without reprocussions".
A forum "by invitation only".

Guests could read but not post. Only people posting would be invited members who are already members of this HVAC forum and we know who each other is, ALREADY.

Time to take this to the next level.