What do you think about the census?

[cehs]

I am beginning to have doubts about the PURPOSE of the census.
I hope they ONLY send me the papers, and not an interviewer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsDhkPym01k

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[geerair]

I am beginning to have doubts about the PURPOSE of the census.
I hope they ONLY send me the papers, and not an interviewer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsDhkPym01k

.I think it is a Commie/Socialist/Obama/Fascist/Islamic/Atheist/Nazi/Liberal/Bilderberger/Illuminati/UFO/Illegal immigrant/Healthcare reform/FEMA Camps/Roman Catholic Church conspiracy the likes of which we haven't seen since the fluoridation of our water began.

[Java Bob]

Heck I can;t remember what I put on the last one..:callpro:

[fixacr]

I think it is a Commie/Socialist/Obama/Fascist/Islamic/Atheist/Nazi/Liberal/Bilderberger/Illuminati/UFO/Illegal immigrant/Healthcare reform/FEMA Camps/Roman Catholic Church conspiracy the likes of which we haven't seen since the fluoridation of our water began.

I'm sure glad to know that I'm not the only one who uncovered the conspiracy

[acmanko]

I'm sure glad to know that I'm not the only one who uncovered the conspiracy

Yea, and it was started in the Constitution of the US back in the 1700's, before a lot of those organiizations were thought of.

Luckily for them, they had a set of Tarot Cards to foresee the future, along with the all seeing eye that the masons had in secret hiding

[glennac]

I think it is a Commie/Socialist/Obama/Fascist/Islamic/Atheist/Nazi/Liberal/Bilderberger/Illuminati/UFO/Illegal immigrant/Healthcare reform/FEMA Camps/Roman Catholic Church conspiracy the likes of which we haven't seen since the fluoridation of our water began.

Hey geer. How about answering a question? Are you a member of or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party or any of their many front organizations with the exception of the Democratic Party.:bump: Thank you, thank you very much.:)

[daytonafan]

I think it is a Commie/Socialist/Obama/Fascist/Islamic/Atheist/Nazi/Liberal/Bilderberger/Illuminati/UFO/Illegal immigrant/Healthcare reform/FEMA Camps/Roman Catholic Church conspiracy the likes of which we haven't seen since the fluoridation of our water began.


You forgot black heliocopters, tin foil, and Glenn Beck:gah:

[bornriding]

I think it is a Commie/Socialist/Obama/Fascist/Islamic/Atheist/Nazi/Liberal/Bilderberger/Illuminati/UFO/Illegal immigrant/Healthcare reform/FEMA Camps/Roman Catholic Church conspiracy the likes of which we haven't seen since the fluoridation of our water began.

Geer,
You mean that you DON'T mind giving census takers all your personal information??????????????
I definitely do....just consider the background of most of the census takers???? ( part-time job )

But, just for Geer, I AM A CONSPIRATOR THEORIST ( or how ever you put it ).
There is NOTHING the government has done or could do that would surprise me very much.
We didn't land on the moon
Obama isn't an American citizen
The government was involved in 9/11
The government knew about the bombing of Pearl Harbor...before it happened
Bill Clinton did inhale ( as well as had several Americans killed in his bids for governor & pres )
& last, but not least.............
The government DID kill Kennedy ( both of them )

PHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.......
Richard

[RoBoTeq]

It's nothing but a numbers game.:troll2:

My only fear is what our current government might be covertly using the numbers for.

I see on the news that unscrupulous con-artists are using the census as a way of gathering information on people about what they can steal from us. Next we will be hearing about rapists gaining access to homes posing as census takers. Unless a census taker looks like this, they ain't getting past my front door;
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http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4729392/2/istockphoto_4729392-sexy-secretary.jpg

[bootlen]

They're gonna get one answer from me...4.

[pdrake65]

I'm just gonna hide this decade. It's too scary out there! Give me a call when the revolution begins and we can end the B.S. :couchhide:

[jpsmith1cm]

They're gonna get one answer from me...4.

It was quite a fight to get them to accept that answer last time around.

I wound up threatening to go for a shotgun to get the last census taker to leave.

I might have to get it this time.

[cehs]

I plead a HILLARY...
"I just don't remember"!!!!

[jpsmith1cm]

I plead a HILLARY...
"I just don't remember"!!!!

My wife and I will play them back and forth if it comes to it.

She will say that I handle all that stuff, and I will say that she does.

[RoBoTeq]

If they do come a calling in person, depending on how busy I am at the moment, I might play with them a bit. I get a perverse pleasure out of making uninvited persons at my door feel real uncomfortable talking to me. From staring at them while blinking erratically to becoming irritated with unseen people, I just love seeing strangers get weirded out and come up with reasons to have to leave.

[glennac]

If they do come a calling in person, depending on how busy I am at the moment, I might play with them a bit. I get a perverse pleasure out of making uninvited persons at my door feel real uncomfortable talking to me. From staring at them while blinking erratically to becoming irritated with unseen people, I just love seeing strangers get weirded out and come up with reasons to have to leave.

I'm sure you wouldn't have to work at that.:bump: Thank you very much

[yellowirenut]

1 person
1 dog..final answer

If they do come knocking at my door i hope its an icy rain...put on my rain gear, step OUTSIDE..im not letting them near my door and we can have a conversation in the driveway..i may lead them casually off my property..a walk and talk and next thing they know they are back in the street. Gently remind them they where never invited on my property and there is one male and one dog at the residence. They are expecting ether cooperation or confrontations..not a walk and talk being led back to there car.

[Texas-Tech]

Supposedly they are equipped with GPS this time, why I don't understand. All I'm giving them is # of people living in the house, period.

[acmanko]

I just didn't know Patriotic Americans were so Anti-constitutional.

The census is mandated by the United States Constitution. Its part of who we are.

[John Markl]

I will give them the number of people in my home. Period.

If they want financials, the IRS has my tax returns.

[jerryd_2008]

... they ain't getting past my front door;
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FYI: Census takers aren't allowed to go past your front door.

[k-fridge]

They'd better not show up at my door unannounced. Watchcritter will not be amused.

[jpsmith1cm]

I just didn't know Patriotic Americans were so Anti-constitutional.

The census is mandated by the United States Constitution. Its part of who we are.

Where in the constitution is there a mandate for this?

Nobody is opposing the census, only the extra, intrusive questions.

The census is a count and nothing more.

[jerryd_2008]

...

You mean that you DON'T mind giving census takers all your personal information??????????????

I definitely do....just consider the background of most of the census takers???? ( part-time job )

...

From my special census days, I believe that the fine for divulging census data is like $250,000. That's pretty hard to come up with at about $10/hour. Any of you guys work for $10/hour? Also, some of the people I ran into were a retired minister (one of the best follow up census takers I ever saw), college professor's wives, computer system project manager, a brilliant woman who had published a large genealogy book on one side of her family, a pretty little thing that worked at the local TV station, a very smart wife of 35 years who was deathly afraid of dogs, etc. In other words, these were some of the smartest $10/hour people I have ever seen.

The point is that they are also people. Some of them really need this income. You ever go a year without any income, not even unemployment?

[jerryd_2008]

They'd better not show up at my door unannounced. Watchcritter will not be amused.

That's the only way they will show up. They don't call for an appointment. They'll come back at least 6 times too. Then they'll ask your neighbors to answer the questions for you. You get along with all your neighbors? How about Watchcritter?

[yellowirenut]

From my special census days, I believe that the fine for divulging census data is like $250,000. That's pretty hard to come up with at about $10/hour. Any of you guys work for $10/hour? Also, some of the people I ran into were a retired minister (one of the best follow up census takers I ever saw), college professor's wives, computer system project manager, a brilliant woman who had published a large genealogy book on one side of her family, a pretty little thing that worked at the local TV station, a very smart wife of 35 years who was deathly afraid of dogs, etc. In other words, these were some of the smartest $10/hour people I have ever seen.

The point is that they are also people. Some of them really need this income. You ever go a year without any income, not even unemployment?

crooks come in all shapes colors and income levels..smart enough to steal your idenity

[acmanko]

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Enshrining this invention in our Constitution marked a turning point in world history. Previously censuses had been used mainly to tax or confiscate property or to conscript youth into military service. The genius of the Founders was taking a tool of government and making it a tool of political empowerment for the governed over their government.

They accomplished that goal in 1790 and our country has every 10 years since then. And we’re about to continue that tradition in 2010. In 1954, Congress codified earlier census acts and all other statutes authorizing the decennial census as Title 13, U.S. Code. Title 13, U.S. Code, does not specify which subjects or questions are to be included in the decennial census. However, it does require the Census Bureau to notify Congress of general census subjects to be addressed 3 years before the decennial census and the actual questions to be asked 2 years before the decennial census.

Questions beyond a simple count are Constitutional

It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people because, on numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census. The Legal Tender Cases, Tex.1870; 12 Wall., U.S., 457, 536, 20 L.Ed. 287. In 1901, a District Court said the Constitution's census clause (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3) is not limited to a headcount of the population and "does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if 'necessary and proper,' for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated in the constitution, and in such case there could be no objection to acquiring this information through the same machinery by which the population is enumerated." United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886, 891 (S.D.N.Y.1901).

In 2000, another District Court agreed and found that it there is no constitutional limit on collecting additional data, when necessary for governance. That court also said responses to census questions are not a violation of a citizen's right to privacy or speech. Morales v. Daley, 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 809 and 816. (S.D. Tex. 2000). These decisions are consistent with the Supreme Court's recent description of the census as the "linchpin of the federal statistical system ... collecting data on the characteristics of individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country." Dept. of Commerce v. U.S. House of Representatives, 525 U.S. 316, 341 (1999).

[jpsmith1cm]

And how is it "necessary for governance" to know what ethnic group I identify myself wit or how many bathrooms my home has?

[bootlen]

That's the only way they will show up. They don't call for an appointment. They'll come back at least 6 times too. Then they'll ask your neighbors to answer the questions for you. You get along with all your neighbors? How about Watchcritter?

HAH! They'll get the same answers from my neighbors. ALL of them.

The federal gummint has ZERO need to have most of the info they seek. I don't care what good they claim they can do with the info, they are not entitled to it.

[bootlen]

From my special census days, I believe that the fine for divulging census data is like $250,000. That's pretty hard to come up with at about $10/hour. Any of you guys work for $10/hour? Also, some of the people I ran into were a retired minister (one of the best follow up census takers I ever saw), college professor's wives, computer system project manager, a brilliant woman who had published a large genealogy book on one side of her family, a pretty little thing that worked at the local TV station, a very smart wife of 35 years who was deathly afraid of dogs, etc. In other words, these were some of the smartest $10/hour people I have ever seen.

The point is that they are also people. Some of them really need this income. You ever go a year without any income, not even unemployment?

I'm sure you are trying to make a point here but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is.

[jpsmith1cm]

That's the only way they will show up. They don't call for an appointment. They'll come back at least 6 times too. Then they'll ask your neighbors to answer the questions for you. You get along with all your neighbors? How about Watchcritter?

Doesn't that disturb you?

It does me. Good thing my neighbors don't know a damn thing about me.

[bootlen]

From my special census days, I believe that the fine for divulging census data is like $250,000. That's pretty hard to come up with at about $10/hour. Any of you guys work for $10/hour? Also, some of the people I ran into were a retired minister (one of the best follow up census takers I ever saw), college professor's wives, computer system project manager, a brilliant woman who had published a large genealogy book on one side of her family, a pretty little thing that worked at the local TV station, a very smart wife of 35 years who was deathly afraid of dogs, etc. In other words, these were some of the smartest $10/hour people I have ever seen.

The point is that they are also people. Some of them really need this income. You ever go a year without any income, not even unemployment?

Ever hear of Bernie Madoff? he was a very upstanding citizen...until...well, you know the rest.

[yellowirenut]

. You get along with all your neighbors? How about Watchcritter?

Sounds like a threat.

[jerryd_2008]

crooks come in all shapes colors and income levels..smart enough to steal your idenity

Do you know that a census worker must be fingerprinted before being allowed to work? Had one lady working for me that got "let go" after the authorities ran her prints. Don't think that she'll do any more census work.

That said, would you go into an illegal, homeless, tent camp back off some abandoned railroad right-of-way and take the census? Had a guy and his wife that did that. I guess the key was when somebody said that it was OK since it was only Mona. And I guess he probably didn't have his tat of the naked lady covered up by his t-shirt. They also worked the carnivals when they were in town but you should have seen them work with their daughters doing the census together.

Just had a thought, what's it like to have a HVAC customer tell you to go away or maybe worse say nothing and eliminate you because you have a tat?

[bootlen]

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Enshrining this invention in our Constitution marked a turning point in world history. Previously censuses had been used mainly to tax or confiscate property or to conscript youth into military service. The genius of the Founders was taking a tool of government and making it a tool of political empowerment for the governed over their government.

They accomplished that goal in 1790 and our country has every 10 years since then. And we’re about to continue that tradition in 2010. In 1954, Congress codified earlier census acts and all other statutes authorizing the decennial census as Title 13, U.S. Code. Title 13, U.S. Code, does not specify which subjects or questions are to be included in the decennial census. However, it does require the Census Bureau to notify Congress of general census subjects to be addressed 3 years before the decennial census and the actual questions to be asked 2 years before the decennial census.

Questions beyond a simple count are Constitutional

It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people because, on numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census. The Legal Tender Cases, Tex.1870; 12 Wall., U.S., 457, 536, 20 L.Ed. 287. In 1901, a District Court said the Constitution's census clause (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3) is not limited to a headcount of the population and "does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if 'necessary and proper,' for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated in the constitution, and in such case there could be no objection to acquiring this information through the same machinery by which the population is enumerated." United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886, 891 (S.D.N.Y.1901).

In 2000, another District Court agreed and found that it there is no constitutional limit on collecting additional data, when necessary for governance. That court also said responses to census questions are not a violation of a citizen's right to privacy or speech. Morales v. Daley, 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 809 and 816. (S.D. Tex. 2000). These decisions are consistent with the Supreme Court's recent description of the census as the "linchpin of the federal statistical system ... collecting data on the characteristics of individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country." Dept. of Commerce v. U.S. House of Representatives, 525 U.S. 316, 341 (1999).

Yer 3rd grade reader is away again, I see.

What Art. 1, sec. 2 actually says is that the enumeration (counting) shall be completed in such a manner as they (the individual state) by law shall direct.

The feds have ZERO legal authorization to ask and expect any answer beyond how many in each household.

[acmanko]

Yer 3rd grade reader is away again, I see.

What Art. 1, sec. 2 actually says is that the enumeration (counting) shall be completed in such a manner as they (the individual state) by law shall direct.

The feds have ZERO legal authorization to ask and expect any answer beyond how many in each household.

The questions they are going to ask were approved under the Bush Administration , and you got what you asked for when you supported the Patriot Act.

Some folks are just plain ignorant of what they what when they want it.

watch the so called Tea Party bite you on the butt

[jerryd_2008]

... Good thing my neighbors don't know a damn thing about me.

You might be surprised. Worse yet appalled to have Mrs. Joe Six Pack or her little 14 year old brat (can't remember the exact age that they have to be) provide the "data".


Sounds like a threat.

You have one of those "You're close enough to shoot!" signs on the house too?

My point here guys is not to piss you off but to remind you that these are real people doing a job that maybe they really need. Many of these people are way over qualified and squeaky clean. If there are questions that you feel are inappropriate, why not decline to respond in a civil way. The census taker didn't create those questions. They have no authority to force you to answer.

I am not defending any specific question (don't even know what they are) but maybe you should ponder why some of the questions are asked before declining. Besides the obvious need to identify Congressional representation, each person included in the census brings a large amount of money, year after year, into the community from the Federal and probably state sources. Why do you think that fast growing towns/cities actually pay for special censuses in between the decade census? Anything from schools to hospitals to elder care to roads to ... It amounts to $1,000's per person counted.

Question: When you started your business did you take advantage of any of those demographics about population, income, ethnicity, etc. that small business owners feel is necessary in order to make a wise decision about investing and working in a specific location. Probably based on census work.

[acmanko]

Question: When you started your business did you take advantage of any of those demographics about population, income, ethnicity, etc. that small business owners feel is necessary in order to make a wise decision about investing and working in a specific location. Probably based on census work.

You just flew that right over their collective heads

[bootlen]

The questions they are going to ask were approved under the Bush Administration , and you got what you asked for when you supported the Patriot Act.

Some folks are just plain ignorant of what they what when they want it.

watch the so called Tea Party bite you on the butt

It changes nothing.

[bootlen]

why not decline to respond in a civil way. The census taker didn't create those questions. They have no authority to force you to answer.


And that I will. I'll politely tell them, "I understand they are just doing their job. However, I am required to respond to one question and one question only. I gladly will provide you with that information. Four. I also understand that you will be back with someone with a badge but the same answer will be provided at that time as well. I hope you have a very nice day. Good bye, now."

[jerryd_2008]

... I also understand that you will be back with someone with a badge but the same answer will be provided at that time as well. I hope you have a very nice day. Good bye, now."

I cannot speak to the 10 year census, but I have worked on at least 5 special censuses, several as a group leader in charge of census workers, and I never once saw anybody with a (police) badge go to a dwelling to collect census data. However, the census worker should be wearing an authentic US Census badge.

In fact, a census worker is not encouraged to report any suspicious activity. If somebody sticks a gun in your face or sets their dog on you, there may be other reasons for a police badge to appear since this constitutes an illegal act in most places I have lived.

[jpsmith1cm]

Question: When you started your business did you take advantage of any of those demographics about population, income, ethnicity, etc. that small business owners feel is necessary in order to make a wise decision about investing and working in a specific location. Probably based on census work.

You just flew that right over their collective heads

What business?

[jpsmith1cm]

You might be surprised. Worse yet appalled to have Mrs. Joe Six Pack or her little 14 year old brat (can't remember the exact age that they have to be) provide the "data".

I have lived here for just over a year.

They don't know anything about me. I'd be willing to bet that only a couple even know what I do for a living.

[Texas-Tech]

I don't plan on being mean or impolite, just not giving any additional info. We understand they're just doing their job{as song as they don't wear an Acorn T-shirt}

[RoBoTeq]

I don't plan on being mean or impolite, just not giving any additional info. We understand they're just doing their job{as song as they don't wear an Acorn T-shirt}
I think an Acorn tee shirt is a legitimate target for your avatar.

[glennac]

I think an Acorn tee shirt is a legitimate target for your avatar.

Maybe for your avatar too. Just kidding can't help it.:) got a bad sense of humor. Thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

Maybe for your avatar too. Just kidding can't help it.:) got a bad sense of humor. Thank you very much.
Now that I'm a short black man, I know you want to lyncy me.

[bootlen]

I cannot speak to the 10 year census, but I have worked on at least 5 special censuses, several as a group leader in charge of census workers, and I never once saw anybody with a (police) badge go to a dwelling to collect census data. However, the census worker should be wearing an authentic US Census badge.

In fact, a census worker is not encouraged to report any suspicious activity. If somebody sticks a gun in your face or sets their dog on you, there may be other reasons for a police badge to appear since this constitutes an illegal act in most places I have lived.

A name tag, to me, is not a badge. And I don't need a dog or a gun to answer a simple question.

[jerryd_2008]

A name tag, to me, is not a badge.

What do you provide HVAC customers as proof of who you are (assumes you live in a larger town and you didn't go to school with them or one or more of their relatives)?

How about the telephone, electric, gas, etc. guy? Any of them have a gold plated, $100 badge with a unique serial number? Then again, they don't sell any of these badges in the dime store, and most people accept their ID. And if you really don' t believe them, why not just call the local Census Office administrator and ask if this person is legitimate?


And I don't need a dog or a gun to answer a simple question.

I guess you aren't one that requires a nasty (kitty cat?) named, Watchcritter, who will not be amused at the census worker visitor. And you haven't posted the: "You are close enough to shoot!" sign - really, I have seen several of these right in town.

Being and old paperboy who had to collect in person, I have rarely met a dog that I can't size up or proceeded into an animal situation that wasn't healthy. That's not necessarily true of many census or other workers not accustomed to unannounced home visits. Owners that fail to contain their animals whether concealed in their yard or uncontrolled in their house when the door is opened and that animal ambushes a naive or unsuspecting visitor are irresponsible and probably subject to prosecution. And that's definitely not civil behavior.

[bootlen]

What do you provide HVAC customers as proof of who you are (assumes you live in a larger town and you didn't go to school with them or one or more of their relatives)?

How about the telephone, electric, gas, etc. guy? Any of them have a gold plated, $100 badge with a unique serial number? Then again, they don't sell any of these badges in the dime store, and most people accept their ID. And if you really don' t believe them, why not just call the local Census Office administrator and ask if this person is legitimate?



I guess you aren't one that requires a nasty (kitty cat?) named, Watchcritter, who will not be amused at the census worker visitor. And you haven't posted the: "You are close enough to shoot!" sign - really, I have seen several of these right in town.

Being and old paperboy who had to collect in person, I have rarely met a dog that I can't size up or proceeded into an animal situation that wasn't healthy. That's not necessarily true of many census or other workers not accustomed to unannounced home visits. Owners that fail to contain their animals whether concealed in their yard or uncontrolled in their house when the door is opened and that animal ambushes a naive or unsuspecting visitor are irresponsible and probably subject to prosecution. And that's definitely not civil behavior.

Are you of French descent?

[daytonafan]

Why don't the feds just call Google and get the info they need?:callpro:

[jerryd_2008]

Are you of French descent?

Wow! Don't know how to take that. Is that a description of my method of communications? A shot - like those damn "Frogs"? Or????? I'm confused.:eek2:

But. no. They tell me that I am Irish, both green and orange, Scottish (some guy sneaked into Northern Ireland and married a lady there) and English (had a relative that was the game keeper for Lord Mountbatten!). Did I pass?:angel:

PS: My wife has the French in her. Is that bad?:anyone:

[bootlen]

Wow! Don't know how to take that. Is that a description of my method of communications? A shot - like those damn "Frogs"? Or????? I'm confused.:eek2:

But. no. They tell me that I am Irish, both green and orange, Scottish (some guy sneaked into Northern Ireland and married a lady there) and English (had a relative that was the game keeper for Lord Mountbatten!). Did I pass?:angel:

PS: My wife has the French in her. Is that bad?:anyone:

Not like a UK'er to lay down. That's all.

[cehs]

Why don't the feds just call Google and get the info they need?:callpro:

THEY will just make up some numbers to suit their agenda anyway, so why do they need to invade MY home????

[RoBoTeq]

This is how President Obama is going to create jobs. He is going to have a bunch of people running around the country counting a bunch of other people. Sort of like the military having soldiers dig holes to create enough dirt to fill up another hole which then needs dirt dug up to fill.

[jerryd_2008]

THEY will just make up some numbers to suit their agenda anyway, so why do they need to invade MY home????

ARRRRGH!:eek2: I guess the better part of $100 cost to visit those that don't respond is just a make work program then.

[cehs]

jerryd_2008
Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cehs
THEY will just make up some numbers to suit their agenda anyway, so why do they need to invade MY home????

ARRRRGH! I guess the better part of $100 cost to visit those that don't respond is just a make work program then.

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They want to count all the illegals, dead people, and POTENTIAL voters so they can add more to the democrat representative districts....
It is so they can snoop into conservative lives and figure out how to remove more liberties for conservatives...

[Hugh B]

I recieved the long form for this current census in my mail. I read it over and decided it asked far too many personal questions. I ignored it. I recieved a follow up letter and ignored that as well.

Then they started calling me and we played the phone tag game for several weeks. I finally actually answered the phone and talked to them. I informed them that I do live at such and such address and told them how many people live in my home and that is all. They wanted the entire form full of information. I refused.

I then had a personal visit by a supervisor and we had a chat on my porch. About a fifteen minute chat. Again I refused to cooperate and was informed that I could be prosecuted. I still refused and told the lady that it was her move in this game that I refuse to play. That was 4 months ago and I have not heard from them since. I will still refuse to cooperate with their intrusive questions regardless of their threats. Turns out that I am not alone in my refusal to cooperate.

The questions on the form are beyond reasonable. Furthermore, I read that the census was put under Rolhm Immanual or whatever his name is, the guy who Obama has working directly for him in the White House. Immanual is in my opinion a Joseph Gobbels type.

It is not the individual census taker who I distrust with the information. I simply don't trust the federal government with the information. How many computers has the government lost or have been hacked into? Besides, what they ask is none of their business it's far too personal.

[acmanko]

There are compounds in West Texas that would accept you with open arms

[RoBoTeq]

Name, rank and SS#. That's all they need to know for a census.

[corny]

I cannot speak to the 10 year census, but I have worked on at least 5 special censuses, several as a group leader in charge of census workers, and I never once saw anybody with a (police) badge go to a dwelling to collect census data. However, the census worker should be wearing an authentic US Census badge.

In fact, a census worker is not encouraged to report any suspicious activity. If somebody sticks a gun in your face or sets their dog on you, there may be other reasons for a police badge to appear since this constitutes an illegal act in most places I have lived.

Lot of paranoid people here.....evidently with a lot to hide.....lol

Heres the form.....

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/langfiles/2010_Questionnaire_Info_Copy_6pg.pdf

Honest, hard working, christian, pasty white..... I aint got nothing to hide....

[jerryd_2008]

Lot of paranoid people here.....evidently with a lot to hide.....lol

Heres the form.....

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/langfiles/2010_Questionnaire_Info_Copy_6pg.pdf

Honest, hard working, christian, pasty white..... I aint got nothing to hide....

Not much different from the special census questionnaires I handled. Not sure that I would provide my phone number on the one I mailed back. I have seen some people get touchy about details regarding their children.

One thing to remember is that census details are not released for decades after the census. If you do genealogy, you should be aware that the 1930 Census was just released to the public. That pretty much insures that most adults are deceased - or at least it used to before we all started living so long and costing our kids and grandkids so much in Medicare, Social Security, lost inheritance, etc.

Oh, my. Look what just came in the mail today!

[bootlen]

Problem is, this is a Rahm census. Screw him.

[RoBoTeq]

Lot of paranoid people here.....evidently with a lot to hide.....lol

Heres the form.....

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/langfiles/2010_Questionnaire_Info_Copy_6pg.pdf

Honest, hard working, christian, pasty white..... I aint got nothing to hide....
How are we ever expected to become racially homogenous if our government continues to define us by race?

[ga-hvac-tech]

How are we ever expected to become racially homogenous if our government continues to define us by race?

Do you think the government WANTS us to be racially homogenous? It would appear to me that may not be the case...

As I understand it... we are supposed to be color-blind... If this is so, why is the government so detailed about color?

[RoBoTeq]

Do you think the government WANTS us to be racially homogenous? It would appear to me that may not be the case...

As I understand it... we are supposed to be color-blind... If this is so, why is the government so detailed about color?
The more we are divided, the better we can be controlled.

We are not just caucasian, negroid, Asian and Mongoloid any longer. Just look at the divisions in the catagories. Hell, they want to know the individual tribes for American Indian and indigenous Alaskans. I wonder what President Obama put down?

[ga-hvac-tech]

The more we are divided, the better we can be controlled.

We are not just caucasian, negroid, Asian and Mongoloid any longer. Just look at the divisions in the catagories. Hell, they want to know the individual tribes for American Indian and indigenous Alaskans. I wonder what President Obama put down?

Exempt... :oops:

[geerair]

Problem is, this is a Rahm census. Screw him.Myth.

[geerair]

You girls are certainly getting all wet and weepy about something that is completely benign.

Hell, I had to fill out the long form for the 2000 census. Other than a slight increase in internet junk-mail, my daily life remained unchanged.


You girls need to go to the 2010 census website and get informed. The "Frequently asked questions" should put all but the dedicated conspiracy buffs at ease.


Then again, you girls will believe any pass-along e-mail that shows up in your inbox and the wildest of rumors while ignoring easily obtained factual information.

[acmanko]

Its the Republican way. Say No. I bet their wives stay hot and bothered and are easy. Just think how nice it would be if they all left, then we could get a good count of them at the border

[coolwhip]

At least the republicans wives can be attractive...its a rarity among democrats.

[acmanko]

At least the republicans wives can be attractive...its a rarity among democrats.

True, but they usually wear the pants in the household

[bootlen]

Lot of paranoid people here.....evidently with a lot to hide.....lol

Heres the form.....

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/langfiles/2010_Questionnaire_Info_Copy_6pg.pdf

Honest, hard working, christian, pasty white..... I aint got nothing to hide....

Google "principle".

[bootlen]

Myth.

No myth. Census was placed under his purview.

[bootlen]

You girls are certainly getting all wet and weepy about something that is completely benign.

Hell, I had to fill out the long form for the 2000 census. Other than a slight increase in internet junk-mail, my daily life remained unchanged.


You girls need to go to the 2010 census website and get informed. The "Frequently asked questions" should put all but the dedicated conspiracy buffs at ease.


Then again, you girls will believe any pass-along e-mail that shows up in your inbox and the wildest of rumors while ignoring easily obtained factual information.

You, too. Google "principle". Especially since you have none.

[bootlen]

True, but they usually wear the pants in the household

Right-e-o...like Hillary.

[jerryd_2008]

... why is the government so detailed about color?

I think they are trying to get an estimate of the number of illegal aliens and Other Pacific Islanders we currently have in NW AR.:eek2:

[acmanko]

Inbreeding?

[jerryd_2008]

...

We are not just caucasian, negroid, Asian and Mongoloid any longer. Just look at the divisions in the catagories. Hell, they want to know the individual tribes for American Indian and indigenous Alaskans. I wonder what President Obama put down?

He can put down anything he wants. Census takers quit determining race in 1990, I believe.

As for all of those categories, I cannot honestly remember ever having a Mexican select the correct race like either White or American Indian - "I'm Hispanic" or "I'm Mexican". They truly do not understand the difference between race and ethnicity.

[RoBoTeq]

Myth.
No. He's a mythter. His unmarried daughter is a myth.

[glennac]

No. He's a mythter. His unmarried daughter is a myth.

The myth is that is dauther is still a virgin while unmarried. Thank you very much

[RoBoTeq]

You girls are certainly getting all wet and weepy about something that is completely benign.

Hell, I had to fill out the long form for the 2000 census. Other than a slight increase in internet junk-mail, my daily life remained unchanged.


You girls need to go to the 2010 census website and get informed. The "Frequently asked questions" should put all but the dedicated conspiracy buffs at ease.


Then again, you girls will believe any pass-along e-mail that shows up in your inbox and the wildest of rumors while ignoring easily obtained factual information.
You tell em momma! Dey be bad girls.

[RoBoTeq]

True, but they usually wear the pants in the household
Liberal Democrat women not only wear the pants, they have more prominent packages.

[RoBoTeq]

Inbreeding?
No. You?

[RoBoTeq]

He can put down anything he wants. Census takers quit determining race in 1990, I believe.

As for all of those categories, I cannot honestly remember ever having a Mexican select the correct race like either White or American Indian - "I'm Hispanic" or "I'm Mexican". They truly do not understand the difference between race and ethnicity.
Well, the form that someone linked to has a boatload of different races to choose from. Don't know about 1990, but the current regime wants to know all about your race. That would make sense since President Obama has been so intent on dividing us racially.

[RoBoTeq]

The myth is that is dauther is still a virgin while unmarried. Thank you very much
I'm gonna go with; "WHOOSH!"

[bootlen]

No. You?

Purely a rhetorical question, I'm sure.

:whistle:

[bb]

Liberal Democrat women not only wear the pants, they have more prominent packages.


They fight alot too. http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7029/gfight.gif

[geerair]

No myth. Census was placed under his purview.The Commerce Department has control of the census, not the Whitehouse.

[geerair]

You, too. Google "principle". Especially since you have none.Principle? What principle?

You afraid of a little information that is probably easily obtained on the internet?

You were okay with Bush tapping phone calls but answering a few benign questions wets your drawers?

Principle?

What principle?

[bootlen]

The Commerce Department has control of the census, not the Whitehouse.

You just may be spending too much time in Putnam. Try and keep up.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2009/02/09/white-house-census-power-grab-may-violate-the-constitution.html

[bootlen]

Principle?

What principle?

See?

[RoBoTeq]

The Commerce Department has control of the census, not the Whitehouse.
Seems our new fascist (small "f") president has, or at least wants to have, control of every aspect of our government.

[RoBoTeq]

Principle? What principle?

You afraid of a little information that is probably easily obtained on the internet?

You were okay with Bush tapping phone calls but answering a few benign questions wets your drawers?

Principle?

What principle?
Unless you were calling overseas to Muslim countries or to suspected Muslim terrorists, no one has been tapping your phone calls. A phone tapping program needs to be pretty needful or else we would be wasting a lot of time listening to some pretty boring stuff.

This census is gathering information on each and every American citizen, not just those suspected of doing something wrong. While the concept of fascism certainly does come in to play with the phone tapping, the census data is full blown Fascist.

[geerair]

You just may be spending too much time in Putnam. Try and keep up.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2009/02/09/white-house-census-power-grab-may-violate-the-constitution.htmlKeep up? Your link is a stale crust from March 2009, not to mention from a rightwingnut.

The Whitehouse has confirmed the chain of command of the 2010 census; the census will remain in the Commerce Department with the Census Director reporting to the Sec. of Commerce.

[geerair]

Unless you were calling overseas to Muslim countries or to suspected Muslim terrorists, no one has been tapping your phone calls. A phone tapping program needs to be pretty needful or else we would be wasting a lot of time listening to some pretty boring stuff.

This census is gathering information on each and every American citizen, not just those suspected of doing something wrong. While the concept of fascism certainly does come in to play with the phone tapping, the census data is full blown Fascist.A few innocuous questions in a constitutionally mandated program is full blown fascism?

Jeez, your poly-sci instructors must be proud.

[jerryd_2008]

The world runs on data. Your business runs on data. The US Government is the largest business in the world and needs data to administer and run itself effectively too. That said, if you think that any question is too invasive, refuse to answer and contact your Congressmen. But don't undermine the Census.

I find all the talk about Obama's ill use of the Census a bit bazaar. I don't think that he was even born around 1790 when our forefathers mandated the 1st Census. :eek2:

[bootlen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxSRhxf1OU

[jerryd_2008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxSRhxf1OU

I'm always impressed when people get passionate about their beliefs. This guy, on the other hand, looks stupid.

Just think about it, if people responded, the Census wouldn't have to run ads on the Super Bowl, TV, newspapers, yes, even letters to tell you that your letter is coming. Do you recall my number below for the cost to visit people who do not respond, close to $100 (I think the actual number I saw was $65)? Just think, if people responded, it would have cost only $.44 to send it to you and maybe the same to return it. Heck, that's a $64 savings!

[bootlen]

I'm always impressed when people get passionate about their beliefs. This guy, on the other hand, looks stupid.

Just think about it, if people responded, the Census wouldn't have to run ads on the Super Bowl, TV, newspapers, yes, even letters to tell you that your letter is coming. Do you recall my number below for the cost to visit people who do not respond, close to $100 (I think the actual number I saw was $65)? Just think, if people responded, it would have cost only $.44 to send it to you and maybe the same to return it. Heck, that's a $64 savings!

You sound like a Hawaiian woman in a fur store during a sale. "Oh, honey! Look how much money we saved on this fur! It's normally $1000 and I got it for $500!"

They couldn't just send the form?

I suppose in the lib mind, they could not.

[RoBoTeq]

A few innocuous questions in a constitutionally mandated program is full blown fascism?

Jeez, your poly-sci instructors must be proud.
You don't consider the way our government is going right now to be fascism? Do we not have a president who is only bothering to even address American citizens is for the purpose of getting Congressional leaders to do what he wants them to do? Is President Obama not telling Congress to have "faith" in him and to let him just do what he wants, despite the fact that nothing the president has yet done has had anywhere near the results he has promised? Can you think of any other national leaders who have asked the people to just "trust" them to make things better? I can, and they too were leftist Fascists.

[RoBoTeq]

The world runs on data. Your business runs on data. The US Government is the largest business in the world and needs data to administer and run itself effectively too. That said, if you think that any question is too invasive, refuse to answer and contact your Congressmen. But don't undermine the Census.

I find all the talk about Obama's ill use of the Census a bit bazaar. I don't think that he was even born around 1790 when our forefathers mandated the 1st Census. :eek2:
EXCUSE ME!!!?

The point here is that I don't want the government administering my life! The government has been running completely innefective ever since the New Deal programs that have socialized our country far beyond a reasonable manner for what the United States fought so hard to become as a nation.

This census is no where near what the 1st census was. This census is oppressively fascist in nature. No government of any free society needs anywhere near as much information on it's citizens as our government now requires. We are in serious danger of becoming subjects, just as our forefathers were under England.

[jmac00]

The world runs on data. Your business runs on data. The US Government is the largest business in the world and needs data to administer and run itself effectively too. That said, if you think that any question is too invasive, refuse to answer and contact your Congressmen. But don't undermine the Census.

I find all the talk about Obama's ill use of the Census a bit bazaar. I don't think that he was even born around 1790 when our forefathers mandated the 1st Census. :eek2:

No it's not. It's the biggest bureaucracy in the world. if it WAS a business it would be profitable. On top of that the government should be governing, NOT getting in everyone else's business

I'm sure all the illegal aliens are lining up and the census office just be sure they get counted. :rolleyes: :patriot:

[geerair]

You don't consider the way our government is going right now to be fascism? Do we not have a president who is only bothering to even address American citizens is for the purpose of getting Congressional leaders to do what he wants them to do? Is President Obama not telling Congress to have "faith" in him and to let him just do what he wants, despite the fact that nothing the president has yet done has had anywhere near the results he has promised? Can you think of any other national leaders who have asked the people to just "trust" them to make things better? I can, and they too were leftist Fascists.Now?????

Let's review:

Extensive use of signing statements

Doctrine of the "Unitary Executive"

Secret meetings with industry leaders

Mania for secrecy

Use of reconciliation to pass favored legislation

Unfettered use of "Recess Appointments"

Warrantless wire-tapping

Routinely escalating threat levels for political advantage

Rampant cronyism

Unbridled fearmongering

This is all Bush



Either you were asleep during this time or more likely you are motivated by pure partisan zealotry.



The trust thing? Laughable.

Your constant refrain during the Bush years was "You have to trust the president, he knows things we don't."

So to you the trust issue depends on which party occupies the Whitehouse.


Then we get to the subject that kicked off your whole ridiculously partisan rant, the census.

The questions in the 2010 census are the same as they were in 2000. Why aren't you raising the rise of fascism about the 2000 census? Why do a few innocuous questions make you wet your panties?

Could it be that your whine about the 2010 census has less to do with realistic concerns and is more about your pathetic need to play the partisan card?

The evidence would bear that out.

[geerair]

EXCUSE ME!!!?

The point here is that I don't want the government administering my life! The government has been running completely innefective ever since the New Deal programs that have socialized our country far beyond a reasonable manner for what the United States fought so hard to become as a nation. No, you just don't want to pay for it. You want a free ride. You want all the benefits of US citizenship but aren't willing to pay for those benefits.






This census is no where near what the 1st census was. This census is oppressively fascist in nature. No government of any free society needs anywhere near as much information on it's citizens as our government now requires. We are in serious danger of becoming subjects, just as our forefathers were under England.Jeez, I've heard less crying and wailing and hyperbole at the Junior League Spring Cotillion for Debutantes.

[RoBoTeq]

Now?????

Let's review:

Extensive use of signing statements

Doctrine of the "Unitary Executive"

Secret meetings with industry leaders

Mania for secrecy

Use of reconciliation to pass favored legislation

Unfettered use of "Recess Appointments"

Warrantless wire-tapping

Routinely escalating threat levels for political advantage

Rampant cronyism

Unbridled fearmongering

This is all Bush



Either you were asleep during this time or more likely you are motivated by pure partisan zealotry.



The trust thing? Laughable.

Your constant refrain during the Bush years was "You have to trust the president, he knows things we don't."

So to you the trust issue depends on which party occupies the Whitehouse.


Then we get to the subject that kicked off your whole ridiculously partisan rant, the census.

The questions in the 2010 census are the same as they were in 2000. Why aren't you raising the rise of fascism about the 2000 census? Why do a few innocuous questions make you wet your panties?

Could it be that your whine about the 2010 census has less to do with realistic concerns and is more about your pathetic need to play the partisan card?

The evidence would bear that out.
OK, I see that you are stuck in reverse gear. The term "now" means as of this moment onward. Please, do try to focus on "now" and stop looking in the rear view mirror. Now; can you answer my question as it was put to you or not?

[RoBoTeq]

No, you just don't want to pay for it. You want a free ride. You want all the benefits of US citizenship but aren't willing to pay for those benefits.
No, I don't like having to pay for it twice, with no control over how I pay for it for others through a government controlled program. No government program is ever without corruption that increases the cost and decreases the value of anything the government is in control of. Government programs are like business's with no bosses and an unlimited amount of capital.

Unfortunately, that capital comes from the working citizens of the U.S. and can run into problems being able to keep up with the needs of the ever growing government expenditure. Even those who want control over the masses while the masses must pay for others to control them can understand this if they just pull their collective heads from their collective bottoms.





Jeez, I've heard less crying and wailing and hyperbole at the Junior League Spring Cotillion for Debutantes. I have no doubt you belonged to such a group. However, no matter how many times you make derogatory comments that are completely false and without merit, no one but your own cheerleading squad pays much attention to such rhetoric or thinks much of you for doing so.

However, I still try to always be a good follower of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, so; I still love you, man :ghug:

[geerair]

OK, I see that you are stuck in reverse gear.No, you are stuck on partisanship.






The term "now" means as of this moment onward. Please, do try to focus on "now" and stop looking in the rear view mirror. Now; can you answer my question as it was put to you or not?Oh, I have no doubt that in your desperate search for Obama goodies, you came across some blithering idiot who insisted that Obama was Hitler and Mussolini rolled into one and that the Fourth Reich was imminent. It fit your narrative and even though you seem to have little understanding about what fascism actually is, you bleat fascism at every turn.

The fantasy you have snatched from uber partisan wingnuts is more about your ignorance of political systems and your rabid partisanship than it is about reality.

You emphasize "now" because of your partisanship and conveniently ignore the emphatically fascist actionsof the Bush administration because it doesn't fit your narrative.


Ignoring history only makes you look like a petty partisan tool and a failure at understanding history and politics.

[geerair]

No, I don't like having to pay for it twice, with no control over how I pay for it for others through a government controlled program. No government program is ever without corruption that increases the cost and decreases the value of anything the government is in control of. Government programs are like business's with no bosses and an unlimited amount of capital.

Unfortunately, that capital comes from the working citizens of the U.S. and can run into problems being able to keep up with the needs of the ever growing government expenditure. Even those who want control over the masses while the masses must pay for others to control them can understand this if they just pull their collective heads from their collective bottoms.Bravo, you have just recited the conservative talking points on government. Not a whole lot of critical thinking there but you earn an "A" for mindless presentation.



I have no doubt you belonged to such a group.My neice is a member.




However, no matter how many times you make derogatory comments that are completely false and without merit, no one but your own cheerleading squad pays much attention to such rhetoric or thinks much of you for doing so.You do.






However, I still try to always be a good follower of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, so; I still love you, man :ghug:Hmmmm........even Joseph and Mary fulfilled their census responsibilities.

[acmanko]

After 8 years of Bush and Cheney Fascism, why would anyone want to change horses in the middle of the river

[the mojo]

http://wonkette.com/388543/eighth-grader-owns-monica-conyers-in-debate


Ah yes comrade this is what you get with 40 years of idealism's.


But what the heck if maybe even you can grasp this in your very complicated mind, LMAO.


Be not deceived God is not mocked for what so ever man soeth that shall he also reap.

Have a nice day comrade.:patriot:

[RoBoTeq]

No, you are stuck on partisanship.
Am not.....

and you know better then to be this trite when it comes to me. I think you just like to try to arouse me:troll2:





Oh, I have no doubt that in your desperate search for Obama goodies, you came across some blithering idiot who insisted that Obama was Hitler and Mussolini rolled into one and that the Fourth Reich was imminent. It fit your narrative and even though you seem to have little understanding about what fascism actually is, you bleat fascism at every turn.

The fantasy you have snatched from uber partisan wingnuts is more about your ignorance of political systems and your rabid partisanship than it is about reality.

You emphasize "now" because of your partisanship and conveniently ignore the emphatically fascist actionsof the Bush administration because it doesn't fit your narrative.


Ignoring history only makes you look like a petty partisan tool and a failure at understanding history and politics.
It doesn't take much to understand where President Obama stands politically. A little look into history and we can see not only parallels but flat out repeated comments from our dear leader that were made by other liberal Fascists in the not so long ago past.

Not only Mussolini, and Hitler, but also Wilson and FDR were liberal Fascists of a sort. Not always a bad thing to use a little of, but when Fascism takes over a government, it becomes a Dictatorship. A Dictatorship is of course, the most refined form of government and the most perfect form of government. A Dictatorship could be really great under the right person. President Obama is not that person.

I emphasize "now" because that is the time we live in and "now" is the only time we can do anything about. We should learn from the past and not repeat things that were not good, "now". It doesn't matter what kind of leader did wrong in the past, we should not emulate the wrongs that those leaders did "now". President Obama is taking the fascist methods of past leaders, liberal, conservative and in between, and making all fascist wrongs from the past his method of operation.

[cehs]

Lot of paranoid people here.....evidently with a lot to hide.....lol

Heres the form.....

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/langfiles/2010_Questionnaire_Info_Copy_6pg.pdf

Honest, hard working, christian, pasty white..... I aint got nothing to hide....

The form you refer to is not that bad.
It would appear that it is the VISITING screener that will ask the tough questions that do NOT need to be asked.

Thanks for that link.

[acmanko]

Am not.....

and you know better then to be this trite when it comes to me. I think you just like to try to arouse me:troll2:
It doesn't take much to understand where President Obama stands politically. A little look into history and we can see not only parallels but flat out repeated comments from our dear leader that were made by other liberal Fascists in the not so long ago past.

Not only Mussolini, and Hitler, but also Wilson and FDR were liberal Fascists of a sort. Not always a bad thing to use a little of, but when Fascism takes over a government, it becomes a Dictatorship. A Dictatorship is of course, the most refined form of government and the most perfect form of government. A Dictatorship could be really great under the right person. President Obama is not that person.

I emphasize "now" because that is the time we live in and "now" is the only time we can do anything about. We should learn from the past and not repeat things that were not good, "now". It doesn't matter what kind of leader did wrong in the past, we should not emulate the wrongs that those leaders did "now". President Obama is taking the fascist methods of past leaders, liberal, conservative and in between, and making all fascist wrongs from the past his method of operation.

and resembles the new conservatives trying to usurp power from the GOP

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum,[7][8][9][10][11][12] although some scholars claim that fascism has been influenced by both the left and the right.[13][14]

Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] Fascists identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[16] Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, fascists claim that pluralism is a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[17][18] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] Fascism rejects and resists autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[21] Fascists consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[21]

Fascism presents itself as being an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[22] Fascism believes that economic classes are not capable of properly running a nation, and believes that a merit-based aristocracy of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[23] Fascism accuses liberalism as a bourgeois movement and Marxism as a proletarian movement for both having created anarchy through support of democracy, freemasonry, materialism, plutocracy, positivism, and rationalism.[24] Fascists oppose class conflict, blame capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuse communists of exploiting the concept.[25] Fascism supports a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[26][27]


Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum,[7][8][9][10][11][12] although some scholars claim that fascism has been influenced by both the left and the right.[13][14]

Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] Fascists identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[16] Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, fascists claim that pluralism is a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[17][18] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] Fascism rejects and resists autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[21] Fascists consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[21]

Fascism presents itself as being an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[22] Fascism believes that economic classes are not capable of properly running a nation, and believes that a merit-based aristocracy of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[23] Fascism accuses liberalism as a bourgeois movement and Marxism as a proletarian movement for both having created anarchy through support of democracy, freemasonry, materialism, plutocracy, positivism, and rationalism.[24] Fascists oppose class conflict, blame capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuse communists of exploiting the concept.[25] Fascism supports a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[26][27]

[johnl45]

Hey geer. How about answering a question? Are you a member of or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party or any of their many front organizations with the exception of the Democratic Party.:bump: Thank you, thank you very much.:)

I shopped at Wal Mart once so I guest I'm a communists.

[bootlen]

I shopped at Wal Mart once so I guest I'm a communists.

Had nothing to do with shopping at Wal-Mart...or any other store for that matter.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Am not.....

and you know better then to be this trite when it comes to me. I think you just like to try to arouse me:troll2:
It doesn't take much to understand where President Obama stands politically. A little look into history and we can see not only parallels but flat out repeated comments from our dear leader that were made by other liberal Fascists in the not so long ago past.

Not only Mussolini, and Hitler, but also Wilson and FDR were liberal Fascists of a sort. Not always a bad thing to use a little of, but when Fascism takes over a government, it becomes a Dictatorship. A Dictatorship is of course, the most refined form of government and the most perfect form of government. A Dictatorship could be really great under the right person. President Obama is not that person.

I emphasize "now" because that is the time we live in and "now" is the only time we can do anything about. We should learn from the past and not repeat things that were not good, "now". It doesn't matter what kind of leader did wrong in the past, we should not emulate the wrongs that those leaders did "now". President Obama is taking the fascist methods of past leaders, liberal, conservative and in between, and making all fascist wrongs from the past his method of operation.

Not sure if I want to know the rest of this story... :bump:

[geerair]

and resembles the new conservatives trying to usurp power from the GOP

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum,[7][8][9][10][11][12] although some scholars claim that fascism has been influenced by both the left and the right.[13][14]

Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] Fascists identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[16] Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, fascists claim that pluralism is a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[17][18] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] Fascism rejects and resists autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[21] Fascists consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[21]

Fascism presents itself as being an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[22] Fascism believes that economic classes are not capable of properly running a nation, and believes that a merit-based aristocracy of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[23] Fascism accuses liberalism as a bourgeois movement and Marxism as a proletarian movement for both having created anarchy through support of democracy, freemasonry, materialism, plutocracy, positivism, and rationalism.[24] Fascists oppose class conflict, blame capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuse communists of exploiting the concept.[25] Fascism supports a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[26][27]


Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum,[7][8][9][10][11][12] although some scholars claim that fascism has been influenced by both the left and the right.[13][14]

Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] Fascists identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[16] Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, fascists claim that pluralism is a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[17][18] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] Fascism rejects and resists autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[21] Fascists consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[21]

Fascism presents itself as being an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[22] Fascism believes that economic classes are not capable of properly running a nation, and believes that a merit-based aristocracy of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[23] Fascism accuses liberalism as a bourgeois movement and Marxism as a proletarian movement for both having created anarchy through support of democracy, freemasonry, materialism, plutocracy, positivism, and rationalism.[24] Fascists oppose class conflict, blame capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuse communists of exploiting the concept.[25] Fascism supports a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[26][27]Exactly.

Boyd has no clue as to the definition or hallmarks of fascism and is merely reciting the current fad of the wingnuts.

You gotta laugh about the wingnuts accusing Obama of not loving his country, of making the "Apology Tour", of seeking to destroy the U.S. while at the same time calling him a fascist.

Of course these dimbulbs are not aware that excessive nationalism is the main diagnostic of a fascist.

But then nobody said these people are intellectually consistent or even know what they are talking about.

[geerair]

It doesn't take much to understand where President Obama stands politically. A little look into history and we can see not only parallels but flat out repeated comments from our dear leader that were made by other liberal Fascists in the not so long ago past.

Not only Mussolini, and Hitler, but also Wilson and FDR were liberal Fascists of a sort. Not always a bad thing to use a little of, but when Fascism takes over a government, it becomes a Dictatorship. A Dictatorship is of course, the most refined form of government and the most perfect form of government. A Dictatorship could be really great under the right person. President Obama is not that person.Breathtaking lack of political understanding.


I emphasize "now" because that is the time we live in and "now" is the only time we can do anything about. We should learn from the past and not repeat things that were not good, "now". It doesn't matter what kind of leader did wrong in the past, we should not emulate the wrongs that those leaders did "now". President Obama is taking the fascist methods of past leaders, liberal, conservative and in between, and making all fascist wrongs from the past his method of operation.Leaving aside your lack of understanding of fascism and its symptoms and your insistence that Obama is, in your fevered imagination, a fascist, you seemed to have no problem with Bush's overt fascistic actions and indeed cheered and defended these actions.


It is only now that there is a new political party in charge that fascism, in your mind, has become a bad thing.

That is the worst kind of partisanship, complete with lockstep, mindless recitations of slogans which confirm that equally mindless but vocal ideologues and pundits are pulling your strings.

[RoBoTeq]

Bravo, you have just recited the conservative talking points on government. Not a whole lot of critical thinking there but you earn an "A" for mindless presentation.You are absolutetly correct. Since this is such a mindless line of thought, why can't those who lean too far to the left understand the value of these words? At least I am glad to see that you and I still agree that too much government control over our lives and taking from those who work to give to those who do not even try are just wrong minded values.



My neice is a member.
"i" before "e", except after "c", or when it sounds like an "a", as in "neigbor" and "weigh", or if it is a proper noun, a foreign word or......oh for crying out loud, you spelled niece wrong!



You do.You are correct. I can't help it that I love you so much:troll2:






Hmmmm........even Joseph and Mary fulfilled their census responsibilities.
As I intend to do because I see the value in our government having a head count of American citizens. There is just no need for all of the racial and other questions. We are all American citizens. We do not need to be divided into segments of the whole of citizenry of the United States. I don't care what race, color, religion, creed or national origin my fellow Americans are, do you? This is a question, I am looking for an answer. I know you don't like answering questions, but my feelings will be hurt yet again if you ignore my question as you so often do.

[acmanko]

I think information on race , creed and any other demographic is important if for no other reason than to crunch numbers

[jerryd_2008]

...

This census is no where near what the 1st census was. This census is oppressively fascist in nature. No government of any free society needs anywhere near as much information on it's citizens as our government now requires. We are in serious danger of becoming subjects, just as our forefathers were under England.

Maybe we should answer the original Census questions then:

Questions Asked on the 1790 Census

* Name of the head of each household.
* How many free white males age 16 and older.
* How many free white males under age 16.
* How many free white females.
* How many of all other free persons.
* How many slaves.

Have all of you guys provided counts for your bonded servants and slaves too? My, my, wouldn't those questions go over BIG!:eek2:

[RoBoTeq]

After 8 years of Bush and Cheney Fascism, why would anyone want to change horses in the middle of the river
Define fascism. Granted, I also understand that certain aspects of the Bush administrations actions were fascist. Just like every other form of social and governmental method of operation, fascism in moderation according to the circumstances is a good tool to use. Especially in times of crisis, such as war, a certain amount of fascism being implemented can really help keep citizens safer and give our government a better opportunity to resolve the crisis issue.

Unprovoked by Americans, the U.S. was attacked during the Bush administration. In response to a crisis, a certain amount of fascist moves were made by our government.

In contrast, under the Kennedy administration, the president created an alleged crisis in order to implement fascist government programs such as promoting bomb shelters and having citizens drill weekly as air raid sirens blare across the nation. Even without a crisis, the Kennedy administration created a sense of fear in the minds of American citizens so that the government could implement fascist programs. Remember the Peace Corp? "What can you do for your country"? Required physical education programs? All of these are fascist programs.

Fascism is basically forcing actions for the purpose of preparedness for unknown crisis's or going into action without a plan in order to create a crisis. Terrorism is a fascist idea that leftists like the Weather Underground, the Black Panther Party etc. used to create attention for a crisis that only became believed as a crisis "after" the terrorist acts were blamed on manufactured issues.

Fascism is not a liberal or a conservative attitude. Fascism is not a racial thing. Fascism is putting into action that which the result of has not been planned out.

[RoBoTeq]

The form you refer to is not that bad.
It would appear that it is the VISITING screener that will ask the tough questions that do NOT need to be asked.

Thanks for that link.
Questions 2-3-4-7-8-9 and 10 are not needed and should not be required for a census.

[glennac]

.........................
It is only now that there is a new political party in charge that fascism, in your mind, has become a bad thing........


Yeah geer I don't think Obama is a fascist. So I agree with you. He is a communist, raised and nurtured to be one and he has fulfilled his tutors wildest dreams and now he is busy trying to destroy our country apparently with your support also. Thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't know nor care where you copied this definition from, but it is not completely accurate and is without a doubt full of leftist propoganda that is just not true.


and resembles the new conservatives trying to usurp power from the GOP

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4]Accurate.
Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6]Untrue. If corporatist perspectives and values are the drive for fascism, then why is it that the only time that corporate entities have control over the politics and economy of a country is when all business is nationalized?
Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum,[7][8][9][10][11][12] although some scholars claim that fascism has been influenced by both the left and the right.[13][14]True; leftist scholars do attempt to blame fascism on conservatives. This does not wash in the reality of history though. While Hitler is considered a conservative Fascist by leftists because they define Hitler's fascism as being the opposite of Communism, this is just not true. Both Communism and Hitler's particular brand of Fascism were both leftist ideals of Utopian governments under Socialism. The main difference between Hitler's Fascism and Communism was that Hitler did not include all races into his Socialistic attitude while Communism "claimed" to. During this same time period, FDR was formulating his own brand of leftist Fascism in the United States. The entire New Deal was a fascist concept in which much of what FDR implemented was tossed out for being too Socialist. No, Fascism is not a left or right thing, nor is it a race thing either. Fascism is a government control of the people thing.


Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] True. A good example of this is again with FDR's paramilitary designed The Civilian Conservation Corps and National Recovery Administration with it's Blue Eagle badges forcing Americans to only do commerce with government sanctioned Blue Eagle members;
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Those who defied the Blue Eagle requirements were subjected to jail sentencing, public beatings and other forms of violence against them. Alsom the U.S. Mail system was allowed to refuse sending any literature that in any way did not show full support for FDR's implemented programs.
Fascists identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[16] True. This is why Democratic regimes have created crisis situations if there is not already a real crisis ever since the end of WWII.
Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] Not only rejecting individualism, but in a Fascist regime, the state becomes the religion of the people by requiring the people to have faith in the state rather then having individual faith in a spiritual being.
In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, fascists claim that pluralism is a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[17][18] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[19] True. The individual's right to choose how they work, what they work at, what they can own, what kind of health care they deem neccesary for them etc. is taken away because the individual is not considered intelligent enough to know what is good for them, whereas a group of elitists do know what is good for the masses and will provide only what they deem to be needed. [quote] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] True, as was noted by FDR's control of the U.S. Mail in not allowing anything that criticized or even did not support FDR's programs to be allowed to exist. Just as President Obama has tried to suppress radio stations in his short time in office.
Fascism rejects and resists autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[21] Fascists consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[21] True. During the 20th Century, when our government was under the control of a Democrat leader, racism has always been promoted in either a negative or positive attitude. The Democrat Party is the party that created Jim Crowe and Affirmative Action, both programs which emphatically state that leftists do not consider Americans who of of the Negro race or of other Americans of color to be equally intelligent or socially equal to Americans of Anglo heritage. This is still apparent in the comments of Democrat leaders such as Harry Reid and Joe Biden commenting on our current president.

Fascism presents itself as being an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[22] Fascism believes that economic classes are not capable of properly running a nation, and believes that a merit-based aristocracy of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation's forces of production and securing the nation's independence.[23] Those who support fascist ways may believe this rhetoric, but history has so far proven that a Fascist government will not and can not survive economically.
Fascism accuses liberalism as a bourgeois movement and Marxism as a proletarian movement for both having created anarchy through support of democracy, freemasonry, materialism, plutocracy, positivism, and rationalism.[24] Completely false. Since most Fascist governments have been leftist governments leaning on Socialist factions of Marxism, this would indicate that leftists are accusing themselves of these things. The idea that Fascism is a conservative concept is simply a false accusation that leftists use to distract from their fascist methods. Fascism practiced by conservatives is always compared by leftists to Hitler's unique brand of fascism and Fascism practiced by leftists is called Progressivist.
Fascists oppose class conflict, blame capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuse communists of exploiting the concept.[25] Fascism supports a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[26][27] Not completely true. While Communistic Socialism and Capitalism utilize each others conceptual methods, Fascism simply changes the definition of what ever the singular leader of a Fascist regime wants that definition to be. Fascism is a singularly complete control of all thought and methodology. The fascist leader will alter history to suit the needs of the fascist propoganda as well as redefine ideals such as Capitalism and Socialism to make it appear that relatively free Capitalistic countries as well as Communistic countries are deemed to be failures due to the very Socialism and Capitalism that the Fascist uses to their own advantage. Fascism is truly an attitude of the wagging the dog.

No, fascism is not a dirty word, nor is it always a bad thing to employ. The worst cases of fascism used in the world have all been used by leftist thinking organizations who incorporate Socialism into Fascism under the guise of protectionism.

[RoBoTeq]

Exactly.
So exact, that not only did mancow copy and paste twice, but geer quoted the duplicated excerpt:troll2:

Boyd has no clue as to the definition or hallmarks of fascism and is merely reciting the current fad of the wingnuts. This must be true, because my buddy and future wife has said so. I just don't understand why someone else's cut and paste is not a mere reciting and my typing out what I have learned as an individual thought of mine is:eek2:


You gotta laugh about the wingnuts accusing Obama of not loving his country, of making the "Apology Tour", of seeking to destroy the U.S. while at the same time calling him a fascist. You are correct again geer. If we don't laugh, we would surely be very sad indeed.


Of course these dimbulbs are not aware that excessive nationalism is the main diagnostic of a fascist.

But then nobody said these people are intellectually consistent or even know what they are talking about.
I can feel your frustration geer. You must really be at your wits end to be calling those who don't agree with your cut and pastes; wingnuts and dimbulbs. I really don't see how you can stand to even try to tell us how we should be thinking.

[RoBoTeq]

Breathtaking lack of political understanding. I just love taking your breath away, big boy :ghug:


Leaving aside your lack of understanding of fascism and its symptoms and your insistence that Obama is, in your fevered imagination, a fascist, you seemed to have no problem with Bush's overt fascistic actions and indeed cheered and defended these actions.
I am so sorry that you missed all of the posts I made stating that President Bush did indeed employ fascist actions during his administration. I really must do a better job in posting in a way that you can understand.


It is only now that there is a new political party in charge that fascism, in your mind, has become a bad thing. Once again, my sincerest apologies for not having typed in a manner that you are able to comprehend when I posted that I do not consider fascism to always be a bad thing.


That is the worst kind of partisanship, complete with lockstep, mindless recitations of slogans which confirm that equally mindless but vocal ideologues and pundits are pulling your strings.
You are absolutely correct. I really do need to figure out a way to post my views so that those such as yourself will be able to understand them. I am thinking that if I use some sort of coloring program so that my posts look like they were written in crayon, maybe you will be able to understand what I type better. What do you think?

[RoBoTeq]

I think information on race , creed and any other demographic is important if for no other reason than to crunch numbers
Crunch numbers for what? Do you think there are reasons for treating Americans differently based on their race?

[RoBoTeq]

Maybe we should answer the original Census questions then:

Questions Asked on the 1790 Census

* Name of the head of each household.
* How many free white males age 16 and older.
* How many free white males under age 16.
* How many free white females.
* How many of all other free persons.
* How many slaves.

Have all of you guys provided counts for your bonded servants and slaves too? My, my, wouldn't those questions go over BIG!:eek2:
This was relavent when slavery was legal. Do you promote treating Americans differently based on race? Do you own slaves or have bonded servants? Actually, that census would be a lot better then the one we have.

[RoBoTeq]

Yeah geer I don't think Obama is a fascist. So I agree with you. He is a communist, raised and nurtured to be one and he has fulfilled his tutors wildest dreams and now he is busy trying to destroy our country apparently with your support also. Thank you very much.
Communism employs fascism as a tool of operation. The only reason that Hitler was a Fascist and not a Communist is because he was a racist. Other then racism, there is little difference between the leftist Socialist attitude of WWII Communists and leftist Socialist Hitler Fascists.

[Hugh B]

Crunch numbers for what? Do you think there are reasons for treating Americans differently based on their race?

Our government is actually promoting racisim by focusing on the numbers. I am not racist as I don't count people by their color like the government does. I try not to pay any particular attention unlike the government which keeps bringing race back to my attention.

[glennac]

Communism employs fascism as a tool of operation. The only reason that Hitler was a Fascist and not a Communist is because he was a racist. Other then racism, there is little difference between the leftist Socialist attitude of WWII Communists and leftist Socialist Hitler Fascists.

Well I see we have an honest difference of opinion here. You see communism believes that everything belongs to the state. Your job your apartment (no houses except for the commie elite). In WWII Germany factories were not taken over by the state.

War time demands were made on the private industry just like in the US but there was no government confiscation of private property. Granted on the political and social scene there was complete control by the Nazi Party but you still had economic freedom ja, verstehen? Thank you, thank you very much

[acmanko]

Crunch numbers for what? Do you think there are reasons for treating Americans differently based on their race?

yeah, I think Americans should be treated differently based on race and income. I think whites should have the same protections as any other color and I believe people with higher incomes should not have to support people with lower incomes

[jerryd_2008]

.... I believe people with higher incomes should not have to support people with lower incomes

But I'm confused. Don't less than 50% of us pay income taxes? Doesn't everybody get the earned income credit?:angel:

[jerryd_2008]

... Do you own slaves or have bonded servants? ...

No, but my Massa let me buy my freedom back in early 2009 for a very reasonable price because he was having cash flow problems and there was that little know stimulus section that covered 99.5% of the cost.:argue::eek2:

Excuse me, you guys are making me tired.:couch:

[RoBoTeq]

Our government is actually promoting racisim by focusing on the numbers. I am not racist as I don't count people by their color like the government does. I try not to pay any particular attention unlike the government which keeps bringing race back to my attention.
This is exactly my point as to why I am offended by some of the questions on this so called census. The Obama regime has done more to divide us racially then we have accomplished diminishing the racial divide in the U.S. over the past half century.

[RoBoTeq]

Well I see we have an honest difference of opinion here. You see communism believes that everything belongs to the state. Your job your apartment (no houses except for the commie elite). In WWII Germany factories were not taken over by the state.

War time demands were made on the private industry just like in the US but there was no government confiscation of private property. Granted on the political and social scene there was complete control by the Nazi Party but you still had economic freedom ja, verstehen? Thank you, thank you very much
You are correct Glenn. However, just what is the difference of the government owning all business or the government having complete control over every aspect of business's owned by citizens who must adhere to what the government dictates or be imprisoned or executed?

To distance themselves from the Russian Communists, who allowed Jews and other races to work within the government, Nazi Germany made several distinctions between Hitler's Fascism and Communism. The bottom line is that even though Hitler claimed a disdain for Socialism, his brand of Fascism mirrored Socialism in every aspect except the acceptance of other then Germans of a certain physical appearance.

Leftists of the time used Hitler's method of diferentiation to declare that Hitler was a sworn enemy of Communism, and Communism was a leftist attitude, therefore Hitler must be the opposite of leftist which is conservative. That is not accurate though. Hitler's regime was just as leftist as Russia's Communism, aside from the racial concerns.

You best believe that had Hitler won the war that business's would have been nationalized soon after.

[RoBoTeq]

yeah, I think Americans should be treated differently based on race and income. I think whites should have the same protections as any other color and I believe people with higher incomes should not have to support people with lower incomes
Then you agree that there is no reason to differentiate us by race.

[RoBoTeq]

No, but my Massa let me buy my freedom back in early 2009 for a very reasonable price because he was having cash flow problems and there was that little know stimulus section that covered 99.5% of the cost.:argue::eek2:

Excuse me, you guys are making me tired.:couch:
I'm actually one of the few on this site who could sort of say that I was somewhat owned by another member of this site, at least for a few months:eek2:

While working in Cayman, I was completely owing to another member here who could have had me thrown out of the country at any time. I could not have worked for anyone else without this members permission. All's good though. I was treated extremely well by my massa.

[geerair]

You are absolutetly correct. Since this is such a mindless line of thought, why can't those who lean too far to the left understand the value of these words? At least I am glad to see that you and I still agree that too much government control over our lives and taking from those who work to give to those who do not even try are just wrong minded values.Your words have tremendous value. They indicate a lack of critical thinking and confirm the rote nature of your posts.




"i" before "e", except after "c", or when it sounds like an "a", as in "neigbor" and "weigh", or if it is a proper noun, a foreign word or......oh for crying out loud, you spelled niece wrong!Oh dear, I'm mortal afterall.



You are correct. I can't help it that I love you so much:troll2:I'm blessed.







As I intend to do because I see the value in our government having a head count of American citizens. There is just no need for all of the racial and other questions. We are all American citizens. We do not need to be divided into segments of the whole of citizenry of the United States. I don't care what race, color, religion, creed or national origin my fellow Americans are, do you?Care in what sense? Care that they are enumerated and represented and accurate information about them is gathered for the sake of better understanding of who we are as a nation and how best we can serve our fellow man?

Or are you merely using a hyperbolic rant to cover your lack of concern for people of a different color than you?

Or is it that you are just ignorant of the importance of the census questions? In this case I would direct you to the Census 2010 website to correct the misunderstanding you have about the census.

Or is it that you are just desperate to fill out your narrative and find the census an easy target?




BTW-The census does not ask about religion.









This is a question, I am looking for an answer. I know you don't like answering questions, but my feelings will be hurt yet again if you ignore my question as you so often do.Oh my, I am devastated that you feel I haven't answered your questions. I have asked you to list these questions before with no reply from you. I will ask again; list these unanswered questions and I will do my best to answer them.

[geerair]

Yeah geer I don't think Obama is a fascist. So I agree with you. You are correct and it is good to see that you can think critically and refuse to follow the latest political fad.

[geerair]

So exact, that not only did mancow copy and paste twice, but geer quoted the duplicated excerpt:troll2:Do you find fault with quoting? Perhaps it is too close to reality for you?



This must be true, because my buddy and future wife has said so.I salute her acute sense of perception.



I just don't understand why someone else's cut and paste is not a mere reciting and my typing out what I have learned as an individual thought of mine is:eek2:One is providing a definitive, accepted definition

You are merely aping the latest anti-Obama fad.




You are correct again geer. Of course.



If we don't laugh, we would surely be very sad indeed.Especially if we couldn't laugh at the inconsistency and outright ignorance of the wingnut. And to see you endorsing and reciting the wingnut's latest fad is indeed side-splitting.





I can feel your frustration geer.Unlike your buddy and future wife, your sense of perception is rather inert.






You must really be at your wits end to be calling those who don't agree with your cut and pastes; [B]wingnuts and dimbulbs.No, people who don't agree with me are uninformed.

People who refuse to think critically and simply parrot the latest political fads are wingnuts and dimbulbs.




I really don't see how you can stand to even try to tell us how we should be thinking.It is a bit of slumming, but as a caring person, I try to bring light and truth to even the most politically and socially inept.

[geerair]

I just love taking your breath away, big boy :ghug:And so often.


I am so sorry that you missed all of the posts I made stating that President Bush did indeed employ fascist actions during his administration.Yes, you are aping the latest wingnut fad of throwing Bush under the bus.

Too bad you spent the eight years of the Bush administration cheering, endorsing and rationalizing Bush.

This would indicate a political view that is based on nothing more than expediency and extreme partisanship.

Your hypocrisy is biblical in scope and hilarious in execution.




I really must do a better job in posting in a way that you can understand. Perhaps consistency would be a a postive step for your posts.




Once again, my sincerest apologies for not having typed in a manner that you are able to comprehend when I posted that I do not consider fascism to always be a bad thing.Think nothing of it dear sir, we are experts at deciphering the screeds of those who are afflicted with barren minds.



You are absolutely correct. I really do need to figure out a way to post my views so that those such as yourself will be able to understand them.Why, you needn't rend your garments in frustration. Your inability to articulate any thought more complex than "See Spot Run" is probably just intellectual atrophy which a few remedial courses might relieve.







I am thinking that if I use some sort of coloring program so that my posts look like they were written in crayon, maybe you will be able to understand what I type better. What do you think?Excellent suggestion!!!!

Just because you are cursed with an articulation deficit in one medium of communication does not mean you are inept in all.

Often children are only able to express themselves fully through pictorial avenues using simple colored markers. This method might represent your best hope of making any sense at all.

[daytonafan]

Geer, while I certainly understand your point about partisanship, I have read this entire thread with utter amazement. If there is anyone on ARP who tows the party line it is you. While others on here seem to drift left or right, you remain entrenched in leftist ideology. Don't get me wrong, that is perfectly fine. I prefer someone who sticks to thier guns to someone who follows the herd.

However, isn't it a little arrogant (not to mention dishonest) to accuse ROBO of using rightwingnut talking points when all you do is puke the latest mainstream media Obama defense strategy?

I listened to you blather on and on about Bush for years and you were pretty consistent. However, your boy Barrack has done and said some questionable things and you remain silent.

I guess everything is OK as long as you stay true to that damn donkey.

[corny]

They are going to cook the books anyway..... so I would just fill out the form in order to spare the country the dollars that are going to be wasted by having to send some hayseed out the house to collect it.

Of course..americans love government waste.....gives us something to complain about.....lol

[glennac]

Geer, while I certainly understand your point about partisanship, I have read this entire thread with utter amazement. If there is anyone on ARP who tows the party line it is you. While others on here seem to drift left or right, you remain entrenched in leftist ideology. Don't get me wrong, that is perfectly fine. I prefer someone who sticks to thier guns to someone who follows the herd.

However, isn't it a little arrogant (not to mention dishonest) to accuse ROBO of using rightwingnut talking points when all you do is puke the latest mainstream media Obama defense strategy?

I listened to you blather on and on about Bush for years and you were pretty consistent. However, your boy Barrack has done and said some questionable things and you remain silent.


I guess everything is OK as long as you stay true to that damn donkey.


Well said and thought out daytona. You have posted an excellent summary of geer and his postings on this forum. You analysis is right on and it is like you said dishonest for geer to criticize robo for spouting a the "party line" on a few subjects when all geer has ever done 100% of the time is to spout the most radical Democratic positions without waver and with never one exception.

No truer robotic spokesman for the socialist party line has ever been seen. Geer is truly unique. He needs to be buried in "Red Square". Good job for so elegantly highlighting this for us. Thank you, thank you very much

[acmanko]

I posted the same thing twice because my wirless connection was lost, but the page was saved. so I inerrently pasted the same link twice.
I made a mistake , once.

[RoBoTeq]

Geer, while I certainly understand your point about partisanship, I have read this entire thread with utter amazement. If there is anyone on ARP who tows the party line it is you. While others on here seem to drift left or right, you remain entrenched in leftist ideology. Don't get me wrong, that is perfectly fine. I prefer someone who sticks to thier guns to someone who follows the herd.

However, isn't it a little arrogant (not to mention dishonest) to accuse ROBO of using rightwingnut talking points when all you do is puke the latest mainstream media Obama defense strategy?

I listened to you blather on and on about Bush for years and you were pretty consistent. However, your boy Barrack has done and said some questionable things and you remain silent.

I guess everything is OK as long as you stay true to that damn donkey.
I doubt that geer is loyal to the Democratic party or anything other then a perverse entertaining of himself. I posted what I posted for geer to respond to to show in a condensed version that no matter what, geer is just a troll who posts in a manner designed only to frustrate others in the attempt to get others angered. I don't anger. Well, at least when I anger, I don't continue communication.

Geer does not answer questions and only posts contradictions to the thoughts of others with no support whatsoever. Geer also delve into name calling and catagorizing with leftist bumper sticker slogans that are meant to detract from the subject at hand because geer either has no clue as to what is being discussed, he/she just wants to disrupt the conversation with contradictions, or, he/she knows there is no defense from the leftists on the subject, so he/she just tries to discourage the discussion at all.

[RoBoTeq]

I posted the same thing twice because my wirless connection was lost, but the page was saved. so I inerrently pasted the same link twice.
I made a mistake , once.
Your mistake was understandable and acceptable. By posting your mistake, geer proved that he/she did not really read your post, but rather just used your post as a catalyst to attack me and call me unwarranted names.

[ga-hvac-tech]

I doubt that geer is loyal to the Democratic party or anything other then a perverse entertaining of himself. I posted what I posted for geer to respond to to show in a condensed version that no matter what, geer is just a troll who posts in a manner designed only to frustrate others in the attempt to get others angered. I don't anger. Well, at least when I anger, I don't continue communication.

Geer does not answer questions and only posts contradictions to the thoughts of others with no support whatsoever. Geer also delve into name calling and categorizing with leftist bumper sticker slogans that are meant to detract from the subject at hand because geer either has no clue as to what is being discussed, he/she just wants to disrupt the conversation with contradictions, or, he/she knows there is no defense from the leftists on the subject, so he/she just tries to discourage the discussion at all.

IM (maybe not so) HO, Robo pretty well nailed it here...

[glennac]

This was relavent when slavery was legal. Do you promote treating Americans differently based on race? Do you own slaves or have bonded servants? Actually, that census would be a lot better then the one we have.

I agree robo that the census would be more correct with the old questioner. You see we still have slavery around the world and including in the US. Every devout Muslim who is married has at least one slave and if he has daughters he has more of course along with additional wives since many have several.

By any reasonable definition the wife of a devout Muslim is his slave with only limited rights no more than the slave in the South before the civil war. Thank you, thank you very much.

[bb]

just filled mine out.

How many - 2

Any Others - None




P.S. Don't lick the envelope or they will have your dna. :eek2:

[RoBoTeq]

just filled mine out.

How many - 2

Any Others - None




P.S. Don't lick the envelope or they will have your dna. :eek2:
Good tip. I'll have my cat lick the envelope for mine. That should help the cause.

[bootlen]

Good tip. I'll have my cat lick the envelope for mine. That should help the cause.

Be sure he has recently licked his butt.

[geerair]

Geer, while I certainly understand your point about partisanship, I have read this entire thread with utter amazement. If there is anyone on ARP who tows the party line it is you. While others on here seem to drift left or right, you remain entrenched in leftist ideology. Don't get me wrong, that is perfectly fine. I prefer someone who sticks to thier guns to someone who follows the herd.

However, isn't it a little arrogant (not to mention dishonest) to accuse ROBO of using rightwingnut talking points when all you do is puke the latest mainstream media Obama defense strategy?You seem to be having grave difficulty distinguishing reality from talking points.

I think the great Steve Colbert said it best: "Reality has a well known liberal bias."


I listened to you blather on and on about Bush for years and you were pretty consistent. However, your boy Barrack has done and said some questionable things and you remain silent.When Obama invades a nation using false selling points, leaves another country in a mess, fails to provide leadership during a natural disaster, and overall acts like an immature schoolboy, I'll speak up.

As it is, my complaint with Obama is that he is not liberal enough and has treated Republican legislators as if they actually had the best interests of the country in mind.


I guess everything is OK as long as you stay true to that damn donkey.I prefer horses.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Be sure he has recently licked his butt.

This is kinda tacky:

When I was traveling back and forth while my Dad was in the Hospital in Texas... TSA at the airports started this thingy where they 'sniff' you and your bags with a gadget...

I decided to mess with them; I went to the restroom and scratched 'those parts'... It screwed up their gadgets... They looked at me funny... I said... (in a quiet and humble voice) "Oh, excuse me, I just went to the restroom... could that have messed up the gadget?"... they just sent me through the line...

The last laugh was definitely on them...

[geerair]

I doubt that geer is loyal to the Democratic party or anything other then a perverse entertaining of himself.I have no particular loyalty to any political party. I vote the man, not the party.

Entertainment is just a joyous emergent property of my interactions here, not an end.



I posted what I posted for geer to respond to to show in a condensed version that no matter what, geer is just a troll who posts in a manner designed only to frustrate others in the attempt to get others angered. I don't anger. Well, at least when I anger, I don't continue communication.

Geer does not answer questions and only posts contradictions to the thoughts of others with no support whatsoever.Ah, now we see the standard Robo Rant. It usually makes it appearance when Robo is uber frustrated and has no intellectual firepower with which to respond.





Geer also delve into name calling and catagorizing with leftist bumper sticker slogans that are meant to detract from the subject at hand because geer either has no clue as to what is being discussed, he/she just wants to disrupt the conversation with contradictions, or, he/she knows there is no defense from the leftists on the subject, so he/she just tries to discourage the discussion at all.Name calling? Identifying and classification is more like it. I use only the most rigorous scientific methodology to insure accuracy. Linnaeus would be proud.

[glennac]

As it is, my complaint with Obama is that he is not liberal enough and has treated Republican legislators as if they actually had the best interests of the country in mind..........

I guess this confirms our opinion on geer. He is to the left of Obama. Didn't realize that you could move to the left of a socialist commie. Thank you, thank you very much

[geerair]

This is kinda tacky:

When I was traveling back and forth while my Dad was in the Hospital in Texas... TSA at the airports started this thingy where they 'sniff' you and your bags with a gadget...

I decided to mess with them; I went to the restroom and scratched 'those parts'... It screwed up their gadgets... They looked at me funny... I said... (in a quiet and humble voice) "Oh, excuse me, I just went to the restroom... could that have messed up the gadget?"... they just sent me through the line...

The last laugh was definitely on them...Jeez, you ever heard of personal hygiene?

[geerair]

I guess this confirms our opinion on geer. He is to the left of Obama. Didn't realize that you could move to the left of a socialist commie. Thank you, thank you very muchDidn't know you could move to the right of the John Birch society.

[glennac]

Didn't know you could move to the right of the John Birch society.

Not a member but that doesn't brother me:). Actually on some issues I am definitly to right of them. Thank you, thank you very much

[daytonafan]

You seem to be having grave difficulty distinguishing reality from talking points.

I think the great Steve Colbert said it best: "Reality has a well known liberal bias."


Ahhh, so there is only one logical and intelligent viewpoint and it belongs to the leftists

I think Colonel Sanders said it best when he said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."

P.S. Obama acted like an immature school boy when he chastised another branch of government because they upheld the rule of law and made a ruling that he didn't agree with.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Seems to me 'the chicken is coming home to roost' with Obummer... Seems he is having a difficult time with everything on his plate...

I heard a news headline today (Tuesday) that the house of reps would try to approve the healthcare bill without a formal vote... I just do not understand what part of the public saying 'we do NOT want it' the liberals do not understand...

I have a friend at church that leads an Alanon group... he said the latest buzz phrase at Alanon is: "The word NO is a complete sentence'... I think that pretty well communicates what the public wants!

[RoBoTeq]

I guess this confirms our opinion on geer. He is to the left of Obama. Didn't realize that you could move to the left of a socialist commie. Thank you, thank you very much
You forgot fascist:troll2:

Also, the only part of President Obama geer would be left of would be that which dangles between the president's legs. Just about any of the other leftists here could be the president's right one.

[XFILES]

I just fill out the forms why do they want to know what race I'm what's up with that

[Joe Harper]

So they can put you in the proper voting district. It says so on thier website.

[geerair]

Ahhh, so there is only one logical and intelligent viewpoint and it belongs to the leftistsOn this board........Hell yeah.

Considering the primary information source for the dimbulbs here is pass-along e-mails and you tube there is little douby where reality resides.



I think Colonel Sanders said it best when he said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."I never liked his chicken drunk or sober.


P.S. Obama acted like an immature school boy when he chastised another branch of government because they upheld the rule of law and made a ruling that he didn't agree with.Obama's response seemed quite proper given that the ruling okayed corporate bribery of politicians..

[geerair]

You forgot fascist:troll2:

Also, the only part of President Obama geer would be left of would be that which dangles between the president's legs. Just about any of the other leftists here could be the president's right one.It's always about male genitalia with you.


Your closet must be stifiling by now.

[everythingair]

The requirements for racial information also do not make sense to me for a country that is allegedly trying to get past racial seperation. Racial profiling has historically been a liberal minded concept mostly perpetuated by Democrats.

Jim Crowe laws were originated and perpetuated by the Democratic Party Redeemer government after the civil war. This was the Democrats way of promoting segregation of Black Americans while claiming that they were equal but seperate. The Davis Bacon Act was designed to keep Black Americans, who were not allowed in labor unions, from being able to work on Federally funded jobs. President Wilson's National Recovery Act, the NRA, was the major focus of FDR's New Deal, was so discriminatory against Black Americans that it was dubbed the "Negro Removal Act," "Negroes Robbed Again," "Negro Run Around,".

So now, we have a Democrat run government that is again pushing for racial differences to be flaunted. Have we learned nothing from the past?

[acmanko]

AS long as people look white , brown, black or yellow, their will be a need for statistics regarding demographics.

Thats just the way it is. Live it with or change it.

The only way to change it is if the population was entirely made up of mixed racial marriages. And that is not going to happen

Thats just the way it is.

[jerryd_2008]

Heck I can;t remember what I put on the last one..:callpro:

Maybe in 72 years some relative doing their genealogy search will wonder what you put on this one.:eek2:

[glennac]

AS long as people look white , brown, black or yellow, their will be a need for statistics regarding demographics.

Thats just the way it is. Live it with or change it.

The only way to change it is if the population was entirely made up of mixed racial marriages. And that is not going to happen

Thats just the way it is.

Well we can't choose our color but we can choose how we act and ace you don't seem to be acting your heritage there.:eek2: Thank you, thank you very much.:)

[ga-hvac-tech]

AS long as people look white , brown, black or yellow, their will be a need for statistics regarding demographics.

Thats just the way it is. Live it with or change it.

The only way to change it is if the population was entirely made up of mixed racial marriages. And that is not going to happen

Thats just the way it is.

Ace, the law says that we are to not discriminate over race...

It does not say we cannot fuss over it... just that we cannot discriminate over it...

Where would you draw the line between fussing and discriminating?

[daytonafan]

Obama's response seemed quite proper given that the ruling okayed corporate bribery of politicians..


Yep, better get the bribery out of politics. Obama, what a guy:angel:

[RoBoTeq]

AS long as people look white , brown, black or yellow, their will be a need for statistics regarding demographics.

Thats just the way it is. Live it with or change it.

The only way to change it is if the population was entirely made up of mixed racial marriages. And that is not going to happen

Thats just the way it is.
In society, that may be the way it is. This has, however, no place in government unless government leaders are using our race against us in some way by dividing us into different catagories.

Discussing and acting on racial differences on a social level is simple a racial thing. Dividing us by race for political purposes is racist.

[acmanko]

just cause people want to be represented by people of their own color, creed or whatever does not mean anyone is discriminated against.

I suggest you have your daughters and sons marry someone of a different race. That will get the gene pool all mixed up and then the racial card can be left out of the deck.

I will go one step further.
Glen ,your offspring needs to marry someone from southeast asia.
John,aka ga hvac tech, your kids can marry into an east african family and of course Robo's kin should marry a good catholic.

[ga-hvac-tech]

just cause people want to be represented by people of their own color, creed or whatever does not mean anyone is discriminated against.

I suggest you have your daughters and sons marry someone of a different race. That will get the gene pool all mixed up and then the racial card can be left out of the deck.

I will go one step further.
Glen ,your offspring needs to marry someone from southeast asia.
John,aka ga hvac tech, your kids can marry into an east african family and of course Robo's kin should marry a good catholic.

Who kids marry is their choice... I would suggest strongly to think twice if I thought one was making a poor choice... but it is their life.

[RoBoTeq]

Well we can't choose our color but we can choose how we act and ace you don't seem to be acting your heritage there.:eek2: Thank you, thank you very much.:)
So, are we all preprogrammed according to our racial dna as to how we are supposed to be acting? That would fall under eugenics, which is a very leftist way of thinking of humans.

Let me ask you something Glenn; If you were drowning and a hand reached into the water and started pulling you to safety, whould it matter what color that hand was?

[glennac]

just cause people want to be represented by people of their own color, creed or whatever does not mean anyone is discriminated against.

I suggest you have your daughters and sons marry someone of a different race. That will get the gene pool all mixed up and then the racial card can be left out of the deck.

I will go one step further.
Glen ,your offspring needs to marry someone from southeast asia.
John,aka ga hvac tech, your kids can marry into an east african family and of course Robo's kin should marry a good catholic.

You are really "stirring the pot" there ace. I shall refrain from a rant here but lets just say birds of a feather flock togehter and that is in spite of the fact that they all can fly and sing (with different sounds though) just like there are many types of English Eubonics, Mexican accent, etc. I shall let it go at that. :.02:

You mean you wouldn't be upset if a "guess who's comming to dinner" comment was made by your daugther?:eek: We all get along much better with those from our own culture, heritage, race, etc.:payattention: Thank you, thank you very much.:)

[glennac]

So, are we all preprogrammed according to our racial dna as to how we are supposed to be acting? That would fall under eugenics, which is a very leftist way of thinking of humans.

Let me ask you something Glenn; If you were drowning and a hand reached into the water and started pulling you to safety, whould it matter what color that hand was?

Why robo why do you ask? Of course it wouldn't matter. We were talking about who we would want our kids to marry not rather or not we should try and save our fellow man regardless of color. Thank you, thank you very much

[Joe Harper]

You are really "stirring the pot" there ace. I shall refrain from a rant here but lets just say birds of a feather flock togehter and that is in spite of the fact that they all can fly and sing (with different sounds though) just like there are many types of English Eubonics, Mexican accent, etc. I shall let it go at that. :.02:

You mean you wouldn't be upset if a "guess who's comming to dinner" comment was made by your daugther?:eek: We all get along much better with those from our own culture, heritage, race, etc.:payattention: Thank you, thank you very much.:)

Im comming to dinner...

85862

Our 10 Year anniversary was last month.

[bootlen]

just cause people want to be represented by people of their own color, creed or whatever does not mean anyone is discriminated against.

I suggest you have your daughters and sons marry someone of a different race. That will get the gene pool all mixed up and then the racial card can be left out of the deck.

I will go one step further.
Glen ,your offspring needs to marry someone from southeast asia.
John,aka ga hvac tech, your kids can marry into an east african family and of course Robo's kin should marry a good catholic.

And by the same token, AC's kids should marry Americans.

[RoBoTeq]

just cause people want to be represented by people of their own color, creed or whatever does not mean anyone is discriminated against.

I suggest you have your daughters and sons marry someone of a different race. That will get the gene pool all mixed up and then the racial card can be left out of the deck.

I will go one step further.
Glen ,your offspring needs to marry someone from southeast asia.
John,aka ga hvac tech, your kids can marry into an east african family and of course Robo's kin should marry a good catholic.
I have dated women of other races and married a Russian Jew. My biological father's family were all Irish Catholic. My son actually prefers Latino women. My point here is that race should only matter to the individual on a social level and not be of interest at all to our government on a political level.

Every leftist program ever put into law was designed to show that our leftist leaders believe strongly that there is a difference in us racially and that depending on our race, we should be treated differently. This attitude is racist, not racial.

[glennac]

Im comming to dinner...

85862

Our 10 Year anniversary was last month.

Well let me just say that I'm glad for you Joe. I hope things continue to work out for you. I just personally wouldn't feel at home with someone other than a Southern gal from the same background, religion, upbringing, race etc. as mine. That is just how I grew up and I'm not changing now. Thank you, thank you very much

[glennac]

And by the same token, AC's kids should marry Americans.

That's great boots. And also make sure that they are all conservative Republicans and WASPs. Thank you very much

[acmanko]

Well let me just say that I'm glad you Joe. I hope things continue to work out for you. I just personally wouldn't feel at home with someone other than a Southern gal from the same background, religion, upbringing, race etc. as mine. That is just how I grew up and I'm not changing now. Thank you, thank you very much

Glen, you know damn good and well that your breed went extinct a few years back:rolleyes::eek:

[glennac]

Glen, you know damn good and well that your breed went extinct a few years back:rolleyes::eek:

Owe you one ace. Payback is hell.:) Thank you vey much

[RoBoTeq]

You are really "stirring the pot" there ace. I shall refrain from a rant here but lets just say birds of a feather flock togehter and that is in spite of the fact that they all can fly and sing (with different sounds though) just like there are many types of English Eubonics, Mexican accent, etc. I shall let it go at that. :.02:

You mean you wouldn't be upset if a "guess who's comming to dinner" comment was made by your daugther?:eek: We all get along much better with those from our own culture, heritage, race, etc.:payattention: Thank you, thank you very much.:)
Good thing you don't really speak for "all" of us Glenn. There are several of us here on h-talk who are married to spouses or have significant others who do not represent our own race, color, religion or creed.

Tolerance does not seem to be foremost in your attitude there buddy.

[glennac]

Good thing you don't really speak for "all" of us Glenn. There are several of us here on h-talk who are married to spouses or have significant others who do not represent our own race, color, religion or creed.

Tolerance does not seem to be foremost in your attitude there buddy.

I guess this is what you would call a 'pile on" there robo. I think we have already gone over this issue and expressed our beliefs in a cordial manner but if you want to blast me for it then have at it. This is how I have been brought up and as I have expressed I bear on ill will toward those who believe or practice different.

We were jousting each other a little and in a nice way expressing our beliefs. I would hope I would be given the same courtesy here. Thank you, thank you very much

[Joe Harper]

http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/imagesthe-20jeffersons.jpg

[RoBoTeq]

Why robo why do you ask? Of course it wouldn't matter. We were talking about who we would want our kids to marry not rather or not we should try and save our fellow man regardless of color. Thank you, thank you very much
I truly don't understand this Glenn. You say that someone is a fellow man if your life depends on them, yet you would not want someone outside of what you believe to be your race marrying into your family? If you really think about that for a moment, it just doesn't make sense. Now, I have never been attracted to women of other races for the most part, but I know many who are or who just don't discriminate about race one way or the other when it comes to who they are attracted to. My not preferring dark skinned women is really no different then my preferring strawberry blond females over platinum blond ones, even if they are naturals. Race is a social preference, but should never be mandated to be discriminitory.

Just what race is even an original race? Germans are far from ever being able to claim anything pure about Germans as a race. Germans, like most other Europeans, came from Celts. Celts came from Indo-European peoples who became Indian in the east toward Asia and European to the west in Europe. Basically, we are all a bunch of mutts.

[RoBoTeq]

Im comming to dinner...

85862

Our 10 Year anniversary was last month.
Congrats Joe and wife. You need to keep your wife close to you in that snow. Hell, you lose your clothes and no one would be able to tell you from the snow:troll2:

You guys look perfect together.

[RoBoTeq]

Well let me just say that I'm glad for you Joe. I hope things continue to work out for you. I just personally wouldn't feel at home with someone other than a Southern gal from the same background, religion, upbringing, race etc. as mine. That is just how I grew up and I'm not changing now. Thank you, thank you very much
That is fine, if that's what you prefer Glenn. However, there is also absolutely nothing out of nature for men and women of different races getting together. Think about it Glenn; if race made us different other then superficially in looks, we would not be able to procreate with one another. We are all the same as far as being a species.

[RoBoTeq]

Glen, you know damn good and well that your breed went extinct a few years back:rolleyes::eek:
Yea, like during the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event (http://hvac-talk.com/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Tertiary_extinction_event).

[bootlen]

That is fine, if that's what you prefer Glenn. However, there is also absolutely nothing out of nature for men and women of different races getting together. Think about it Glenn; if race made us different other then superficially in looks, we would not be able to procreate with one another. We are all the same as far as being a species.

Yup. Scripture speaks of only one race.

[RoBoTeq]

I guess this is what you would call a 'pile on" there robo. I think we have already gone over this issue and expressed our beliefs in a cordial manner but if you want to blast me for it then have at it. This is how I have been brought up and as I have expressed I bear on ill will toward those who believe or practice different.

We were jousting each other a little and in a nice way expressing our beliefs. I would hope I would be given the same courtesy here. Thank you, thank you very much
I give everyone the courtesy of not judging them wrongly for who they choose to love and build their lives with. Will you extend that same courtesy to the rest of us who don't believe we should have racial seperation unless we individually prefer it?

[glennac]

I truly don't understand this Glenn. You say that someone is a fellow man if your life depends on them, yet you would not want someone outside of what you believe to be your race marrying into your family? If you really think about that for a moment, it just doesn't make sense. Now, I have never been attracted to women of other races for the most part, but I know many who are or who just don't discriminate about race one way or the other when it comes to who they are attracted to. My not preferring dark skinned women is really no different then my preferring strawberry blond females over platinum blond ones, even if they are naturals. Race is a social preference, but should never be mandated to be discriminitory.

Just what race is even an original race? Germans are far from ever being able to claim anything pure about Germans as a race. Germans, like most other Europeans, came from Celts. Celts came from Indo-European peoples who became Indian in the east toward Asia and European to the west in Europe. Basically, we are all a bunch of mutts.

Well apparently we don't have much to dispute here. I never said that I was against someone from choosing who they want to marry or not just that I would prefer my kids marry within there own kind. Now you say you prefer White strawberry blond women over others and that is OK. I just extend my wishes to kids. Oh well each to his own views. Thank you, thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

Yup. Scripture speaks of only one race.
One of the areas that science agrees with scripture. There is really only one race; the human race.

[RoBoTeq]

Well apparently we don't have much to dispute here. I never said that I was against someone from choosing who they want to marry or not just that I would prefer my kids marry within there own kind. Now you say you prefer White strawberry blond women over others and that is OK. I just extend my wishes to kids. Oh well each to his own views. Thank you, thank you very much.
Now that we got this straight, we don't really have a dispute other then our preferences, which is perfectly fine.

[glennac]

I give everyone the courtesy of not judging them wrongly for who they choose to love and build their lives with. Will you extend that same courtesy to the rest of us who don't believe we should have racial seperation unless we individually prefer it?

When did I express different? You said I was intolerant because of my personal preferences. I have not criticize you or anyone else for theirs. I only ask for the same courtesy. Thank you, thank you very much

[ga-hvac-tech]

How about lets get back on subject...

I got my form today... I got the short one.

So how many of you really marked race: Other--Human? :bump:

[RoBoTeq]

When did I express different? You said I was intolerant because of my personal preferences. I have not criticize you or anyone else for theirs. I only ask for the same courtesy. Thank you, thank you very much
Ahh, I just know how you are about that German heritage thing:troll2:

You do know that even if the Aryan's were a real people, that they were most likely mongols or some Asian mix, don't you? And Adolf Hitler was a pansy, leftist vegan who wanted to rule the world to compensate for his physical shortage.

[RoBoTeq]

How about lets get back on subject...

I got my form today... I got the short one.

So how many of you really marked race: Other--Human? :bump:
I haven't received the form yet, but I like the idea of marking race as being human. I will do that.

[sline-dawg]

The line about sex...Male or Female... I wrote Rarely....:oops:

[RoBoTeq]

The line about sex...Male or Female... I wrote Rarely....:oops:
With my name, I can write "yes" and they might have to wonder.

[acmanko]

I got mine last week, the short form, 10 questions for me, 7 for my wife.

I'm white and proud of it . So I let them know about it.

My wife was pissed because she had to be white and Panamanian. She was naturalized during the Reagan years and states emphatically that she is a US citizen.

[everythingair]

I have not yet seen the form. Is there no place to specify exactly what race or racial mix you are? The term "white" implies anglo and a Panamanian is certainly not an anglo.

If my recollection is valid, I seem to recall that many of the South American peoples are a mix of indigenous indian and African slave who were introduced during the Dutch, French and Spanish empire building eras. At what point does a mix of peoples become its' own race?

[acmanko]

I have not yet seen the form. Is there no place to specify exactly what race or racial mix you are? The term "white" implies anglo and a Panamanian is certainly not an anglo.

If my recollection is valid, I seem to recall that many of the South American peoples are a mix of indigenous indian and African slave who were introduced during the Dutch, French and Spanish empire building eras. At what point does a mix of peoples become its' own race?

well, they are considered La Raza. Its like you said a mix of indigenous and european. My wife has red hair , green eyes and fair skin and can trace her lineage to poland and spain.

Thats not what she is complaining about. She is a US citizen first and foremost

[truthseeker]

Did you notice the census form asks everything but the citizenship status?


http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/11/no-question-birthplace-asked-census/


The Sole and Express Purpose of the Census


http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/03/13/the-sole-and-express-purpose-of-the-census/

BIG GOV is asking lots of personal questions - without the authority to demand answers. The US Constitution requires a head count within a geographic location, not a program of socio-economic surveys. What's the big deal? When was the last time someone in the government voluntarily used any information to help you? The Constitution was crafted to limit the power of government and maximize individual freedom. It is up to vigilant responsible citizens to enforce that concept of enumerated powers.

X people live at this address. All other questions will not be answered due to conflicts with my deeply held religious convictions, which the SCOTUS has affirmed I am not legally bound to disclose or abandon.

[bb]

Did you notice the census form asks everything but the citizenship status?


http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/11/no-question-birthplace-asked-census/




That proves that this admin doesn't want to know citizenship so that they can redraw district lines to ensure their power in future elections. In other words, illegals are considered 'of legal status'.

[ga-hvac-tech]

That proves that this admin doesn't want to know citizenship so that they can redraw district lines to ensure their power in future elections. In other words, illegals are considered 'of legal status'.
The census would be kinda useless if they did not count all the folks... And we all know that 'no illegal folks' will return the forms. So it is kinda academic that they do not ask... even thought IMO it is wrong.

[acmanko]

That proves that this admin doesn't want to know citizenship so that they can redraw district lines to ensure their power in future elections. In other words, illegals are considered 'of legal status'.

all the questions on this census were submitted by the Bush Administration.
Study up before you comment, please

[glennac]

well, they are considered La Raza. Its like you said a mix of indigenous and european. My wife has red hair , green eyes and fair skin and can trace her lineage to poland and spain.

Thats not what she is complaining about. She is a US citizen first and foremost

Yeah but what about your citizenship ace? Are you a loyal American or have you ever been a member of one of those commie front organizations . You know like on the list of 500 organizations that the late great J Edgar Hoover made up of subversive organizations.:) Shame those days are gone.

Used to watch I led three lives" on TV back in the mid 50's those were the days. "I Led Three Lives lasted 117 episodes. Philbrick narrated each episode and served as a technical consultant — and all scripts were approved by J. Edgar Hoover (http://hvac-talk.com/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover) and the FBI." Showed how they hunted down the subversives before the Democrats took over and abolished the "House of Un American Activities Committee" Oh well gone with the wind. Thank you, thank you very much

[acmanko]

Yeah but what about your citizenship ace? Are you a loyal American or have you ever been a member of one of those commie front organizations . You know like on the list of 500 organizations that the late great J Edgar Hoover made up of subversive organizations.:) Shame those days are gone.

Used to watch I led three lives" on TV back in the mid 50's those were the days. "I Led Three Lives lasted 117 episodes. Philbrick narrated each episode and served as a technical consultant — and all scripts were approved by J. Edgar Hoover (http://hvac-talk.com/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover) and the FBI." Showed how they hunted down the subversives before the Democrats took over and abolished the "House of Un American Activities Committee" Oh well gone with the wind. Thank you, thank you very much
Yea, I'm a loyal red blooded American , Glen. After its all said and done, we are probably a lot alike

[glennac]

Yea, I'm a loyal red blooded American , Glen. After its all said and done, we are probably a lot alike

Good then stop supporting the other side and come on over the "right" side so to speak.:patriot: Your a good man ace below all that agitating you do. Thank you very much