Un-U.N. the U.S.!

[RoBoTeq]

Here we go again!
Obama has said that work to broaden economic sanctions in the U.N. Security Council is moving along quickly, but he hasn't given a specific timeline. China, one of five permanent members of the Security Council, has close economic ties to Iran and can block a resolution by itself.Three scary points about this statement;

1. President Obama's definition of "moving along quickly", especially when it is followed by; "hasn't given a specific timeline.

2. Relying on China, the most lying, deceiving country that has a major influence on the world.

3. Trusting that the U.N. will ever actually do what it says it will do.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_clinton_middle_east

At least we knew that President W Bush had the guts to bypass the U.N. and do what was best for the U.S. when the U.N. refused to do what it threatened to do. A threat not carried out means absolutely nothing, and Iran knows this. Iran is looking to start the official WWIII between Islam and non-Muslims worldwide. We may as well just get it going and put a stop to one sided terrorism.

[Tool-Slinger]

Iran is going nuclear, get used to it.

[RoBoTeq]

Iran is going nuclear, get used to it.
There is no way that Israel is going to let that happen. We could just give Israel 100% support and let them loose on Iran. That would still wind up having the same result for making WWIII official instead of it just being Islam attacking everyone else and calling it terrorism instead of acts of war.

[glennac]

There is no way that Israel is going to let that happen. We could just give Israel 100% support and let them loose on Iran. That would still wind up having the same result for making WWIII official instead of it just being Islam attacking everyone else and calling it terrorism instead of acts of war.

Hey the only reason we are in the quasi state of unofficial WWIII is Israel and its conduct and actions against the Palestinians including acts of terror in the 40s and 50s pissing off the Muslim world and contributing to the reawakening of radical Islam which has been dormant for at least 500 years or so. Like out to some horror movie. Thank you very much

[Tool-Slinger]

There is no way that Israel is going to let that happen. We could just give Israel 100% support and let them loose on Iran. That would still wind up having the same result for making WWIII official instead of it just being Islam attacking everyone else and calling it terrorism instead of acts of war.
I don't think isreal can stop it, nor do I think we will support them 100%. I do not understand why, but that is how it seems to be.

[RoBoTeq]

Hey the only reason we are in the quasi state of unofficial WWIII is Israel and its conduct and actions against the Palestinians including acts of terror in the 40s and 50s pissing off the Muslim world and contributing to the reawakening of radical Islam which has been dormant for at least 500 years or so. Like out to some horror movie. Thank you very much
You're worse then the leftist Commies who claim it is because the United States keeps manipulating countries like Iran and Iraq. At least they aren't being bigots about their stupid claims.

The culprits of Islamic aggressions are Muslims.....that's it. You can take your ignorant bigoted rants and shove them up the same butt hole that the leftists can shove their ignorant rants about the U.S. being responsible for Islamic terrorism. Refusing to put the blame squarely where it belongs just to promote your own personal bigotry toward a race of people is despicable. I am surprised you haven't found a way to blame Blacks for this. Then again, you will probably say that Blacks aren't intelligent enough.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't think isreal can stop it, nor do I think we will support them 100%. I do not understand why, but that is how it seems to be.
Israel can and will stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power. They pretty much have to. With Iran not even recognizing Israel as a country and the president of Iran making public statements that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth, there is no way that Israel is going to allow Iran to become a nuclear power. And yes, they can take out Iran's nuclear plants.

And yes, if and when Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. will support Israel 100%.

[wolfstrike]

"Un-U.N. the U.S.! " ..uh us?
:D

[ga-hvac-tech]

Scripture is quite clear that God favors those that favor Israel, and does not favor those that do not support Israel... Do you really want to be on the wrong side of God?

Hint: King David of Old Testament Biblical times said he would rather have 10,000 Phillistines after him than suffer the wrath of God... I think there is a lesson worth learning and heeding here.

[Tool-Slinger]

Israel can and will stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power. They pretty much have to. With Iran not even recognizing Israel as a country and the president of Iran making public statements that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth, there is no way that Israel is going to allow Iran to become a nuclear power. And yes, they can take out Iran's nuclear plants.

And yes, if and when Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. will support Israel 100%.
Iran has stuff hidden, I doubt anyone knows where. Much is underground, deep, and Bush denied selling isreal bunker-busters and long range help. That was another issue, isreal lacks range.

Obama would gleefully throw isreal under the bus to gain points from his is islamo-buddies, don't count on help from that idiot.

[ga-hvac-tech]

Iran has stuff hidden, I doubt anyone knows where. Much is underground, deep, and Bush denied selling isreal bunker-busters and long range help. That was another issue, isreal lacks range.

Obama would gleefully throw isreal under the bus to gain points from his is islamo-buddies, don't count on help from that idiot.

Not trying to slam you TS, but I think if the USA decided to have Israel do our 'dirty work', we would arrange the hardware.

If BHO did throw Israel under the bus, you can bet some of the most powerful bankers in the world would see to it Mr BHO (and his family) would have some unfortunate accidents... And I am sure BHO knows this quite well!

Messing with bankers is worse than playing with snakes... you WILL get bit.

[RoBoTeq]

Iran has stuff hidden, I doubt anyone knows where. Much is underground, deep, and Bush denied selling isreal bunker-busters and long range help. That was another issue, isreal lacks range.

Obama would gleefully throw isreal under the bus to gain points from his is islamo-buddies, don't count on help from that idiot.
The last thing President Obama needs right now is to piss off the dumbassed American Jews who voted his liberal fascist butt into office. If you haven't been paying attention, President Obama is losing faith from those who supported him "left" and other directions except for right.

[Tool-Slinger]

Not trying to slam you TS, but I think if the USA decided to have Israel do our 'dirty work', we would arrange the hardware.

If BHO did throw Israel under the bus, you can bet some of the most powerful bankers in the world would see to it Mr BHO (and his family) would have some unfortunate accidents... And I am sure BHO knows this quite well!

Messing with bankers is worse than playing with snakes... you WILL get bit.
I figure, according to what I read, it will take ground forces to stop iran nuke plans, not just slow them up. For starters. And Isreal ain't up to that.

Second, we deny selling 'bunker buster' bombs and long range stuff to isreal.. I do not understand why. They have had years to prepare, maybe they have some of their own solutions...

The UN is a proven joke. And barrack hussein is just playing footsie with these guys,... I figure Iran announces nukes at some point and nobody can stop them.

[RoBoTeq]

I figure, according to what I read, it will take ground forces to stop iran nuke plans, not just slow them up. For starters. And Isreal ain't up to that.

Second, we deny selling 'bunker buster' bombs and long range stuff to isreal.. I do not understand why. They have had years to prepare, maybe they have some of their own solutions...

The UN is a proven joke. And barrack hussein is just playing footsie with these guys,... I figure Iran announces nukes at some point and nobody can stop them.
Your understanding is innacurate. Iran is going to be the catalyst for WWIII and the U.S. is going to be the main country either directly or indirectly getting into it with Iran. The Islamic machine started back up about three decades ago and has been building steam ever since. There is going to be all out war. We are already in the beginnings of WWIII, the Third Islamic Takeover (TIT), we just have not yet defined it as such.

[Tool-Slinger]

The last thing President Obama needs right now is to piss off the dumbassed American Jews who voted his liberal fascist butt into office. If you haven't been paying attention, President Obama is losing faith from those who supported him "left" and other directions except for right.
A one term president can pee off anyone he wants. No minority of jews will steer this ship.

[Tool-Slinger]

Your understanding is innacurate. Iran is going to be the catalyst for WWIII and the U.S. is going to be the main country either directly or indirectly getting into it with Iran. The Islamic machine started back up about three decades ago and has been building steam ever since. There is going to be all out war. We are already in the beginnings of WWIII, the Third Islamic Takeover (TIT), we just have not yet defined it as such.
Okay, but you have turned the conversation into a theologic issue, not political. Not even military...


Yeah, it might be the end of the world..... are we through here yet?

Iran and nukes, just as natural as bread and butter.

[RoBoTeq]

Okay, but you have turned the conversation into a theologic issue, not political. Not even military...


Yeah, it might be the end of the world..... are we through here yet?

Iran and nukes, just as natural as bread and butter.
With so many countries in the world being political bound to a religion, Islam, and with these Islamic countries supporting terrorist military regimes, it is impossible to discuss world politics or war without discussing the theology that is driving those who have declared war on everyone in the world who is not like them.

I have not turned this conversation into a theological issue, world military and political issues today "are" a theological issue.

[RoBoTeq]

I figure, according to what I read, it will take ground forces to stop iran nuke plans, not just slow them up. For starters. And Isreal ain't up to that.

Second, we deny selling 'bunker buster' bombs and long range stuff to isreal.. I do not understand why. They have had years to prepare, maybe they have some of their own solutions...

The UN is a proven joke. And barrack hussein is just playing footsie with these guys,... I figure Iran announces nukes at some point and nobody can stop them.
I read the news today, oh boy...."Beatles"

Here we go;
"Iran is moving toward a military dictatorship," she said. "That is our view."This is a statement from Hillary Clinton. The U.S. is preparing to be able to seek the support from the U.N. to attack Iran and overthrow the government there.
The U.S. is focused on gaining international support for sanctions "that will be particularly aimed at those enterprises controlled by the Revolutionary Guard, which we believe is in effect supplanting the government of Iran," she said.My best guess is that the U.N. will stall over doing anything substantial and the U.S. will not defy the U.N. as the W Bush administration did. This will result in Israel taking matters into it's own hands.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_clinton_mideast

Once Israel attacks Iran's nuclear plants, all hell will break loose worldwide. Islamic nations will then be given the excuse they need to declare war on Israel, which the U.S. will protect. Then it will be a matter of countries choosing sides. There will be massive Muslim revolts in every country in the world. Islam will be attacking every country from the inside as well as out.

Despite the massive amount of civilian deaths this war will cause, it still may have the silver lining of bringing Americans together to defy the current Socialists trying to destroy our country.

[RoBoTeq]

A one term president can pee off anyone he wants. No minority of jews will steer this ship.
President Obama would welcome a war right now. I don't believe the U.S. has ever voted in a different president during a war. That old adage of not "changing horses in the middle of the river" applies.

As for a minority of Jews steering this ship; read your history tool, the minority of Jews have been steering world events for 6,000 years, ever since the progenerators of the Hebrews, Israelites and Jews were ousted from Eden and let mingle with the rest of mankind.

[whec720]

Two things are most likely going to happen. First, Iran officially declares they have military nuclear capabilities. Second, like it or not, our moron of a president, squeaks into a second term. Iran and Israel, rattle sabres at one another, as both sides know, the Holy Land gets blown to $hit if they decide to follow through all the way. Neither side really wants that. Lastly, the world will continue to hear both sides b!tch and moan how who is the bigger victim in their sick little holy war, so they can continue to justify their pathetic actions. That about sum it up?

[RoBoTeq]

Two things are most likely going to happen. First, Iran officially declares they have military nuclear capabilities. Second, like it or not, our moron of a president, squeaks into a second term. Iran and Israel, rattle sabres at one another, as both sides know, the Holy Land gets blown to $hit if they decide to follow through all the way. Neither side really wants that. Lastly, the world will continue hear both sides b!tch and moan how who is the bigger victim in their sick little holy war, so they can continue to justify their pathetic actions. That about sum it up?
I certainly hope you are more correct then I am, but I don't have much faith in it happening that way.

The Islamic nations have lit the fire under the kettle several decades ago and the kettle is coming to a boil. I do not see anything happening that is even remotely looking like those who lit the fire are doing anything to take the heat off. No, I think I may see a World at War in my lifetime. This time, it's going to be fought on the soil of every country.

[ga-hvac-tech]

A one term president can pee off anyone he wants. No minority of jews will steer this ship.

If that small minority are the guys that run the largest banks in the world, you can bet your toolbag they WILL tell ANY president what to do... and the president WILL do it.

[whec720]

I certainly hope you are more correct then I am, but I don't have much faith in it happening that way.

The Islamic nations have lit the fire under the kettle several decades ago and the kettle is coming to a boil. I do not see anything happening that is even remotely looking like those who lit the fire are doing anything to take the heat off. No, I think I may see a World at War in my lifetime. This time, it's going to be fought on the soil of every country.

Well, if your right, then the Muslims will reduce the Dome Of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque to dust. They don't want to destroy Israel. They just want to govern it again like the did before in that 1000 year stretch. This is a political war, as they see something to gain. Don't buy into their "we will die for Alah" BS. Muslims want the status quo, which is complete control of Israel.

[printer2]

Iran will not use a nuke even if it had it. Basically it wants to use it as leverage and as a shield. 'Don't invade my country otherwise I will blow up Israel.' If it actually did use it then there would be no deterrence from everyone turning Iran into a parking lot.

[tombeaux]

People , it's very simply indirect future crisis management with plauseable deniability predicated to bring about stronger control of the sheeple majority . LISTEN CLOSELY here is wisdom,,,To bring about the willfull surrender of the American peoples constitution, all which must be done is to A: piss them off and B: scare them to death or C: do both . This alone will get them to sway your way.:patriot: I am not a fanatic but a freethinking American veteran.:patriot:

[whec720]

Iran will not use a nuke even if it had it. Basically it wants to use it as leverage and as a shield. 'Don't invade my country otherwise I will blow up Israel.' If it actually did use it then there would be no deterrence from everyone turning Iran into a parking lot.

There is more to it than that, printer. You might not be big on religion, but that does not mean others in the the world aren't. Muslims want Israel back. Iran can use this basic fact, in hopes that it will unite them (fellow Muslims) against the West, the main protector of the Jews who control Israel.

[RoBoTeq]

Well, if your right, then the Muslims will reduce the Dome Of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque to dust. They don't want to destroy Israel. They just want to govern it again like the did before in that 1000 year stretch. This is a political war, as they see something to gain. Don't buy into their "we will die for Alah" BS. Muslims want the status quo, which is complete control of Israel.
You are not understanding the reason for being a nuclear power. Israel has nukes, and so Iran will not make a move against Israel for fear of being nuked. Once Iran has nukes, it is a stalemate. At that point, Iran can wage a traditional attack against Israel knowing that Israel is not going to use their nukes for fear that Iran will use theirs. Hell, with as small an area that Israel takes up, nuking Israel is going to take out parts of several Islamic countries.

Since the Dome of the Rock is built on top of Solomons Temple, neither side wants to do harm to that structure. That alone will not stop Muslims from taking over Israel. They can just construct another memorial to Islam on top of the rubble and never again have to worry about Jews or Christians having the desire to excavate the Temple beneath.

[whec720]

People , it's very simply indirect future crisis management with plauseable deniability predicated to bring about stronger control of the sheeple majority . LISTEN CLOSELY here is wisdom,,,To bring about the willfull surrender of the American peoples constitution, all which must be done is to A: piss them off and B: scare them to death or C: do both . This alone will get them to sway your way.:patriot: I am not a fanatic but a freethinking American veteran.:patriot:

Not everything is about controlling America, especially this problem. I'd have to say I disagree with your statement. America is a small fraction of the West. Islam's target is much larger than what you are projecting.
BTW, off subject, congratulations to the Saints. 40 years is a long wait. We are still waiting for ours here in Buffalo. By the time it happens for us, the conflict between the Muslims and Jews will be resolved....lol:LOL:

[printer2]

There is more to it than that, printer. You might not be big on religion, but that does not mean others in the the world aren't. Muslims want Israel back. Iran can use this basic fact, in hopes that it will unite them (fellow Muslims) against the West, the main protector of the Jews who control Israel.

Yeah I know. Just wanted to keep it short so I can get some other things done today.

[whec720]

You are not understanding the reason for being a nuclear power. Israel has nukes, and so Iran will not make a move against Israel for fear of being nuked. Once Iran has nukes, it is a stalemate. At that point, Iran can wage a traditional attack against Israel knowing that Israel is not going to use their nukes for fear that Iran will use theirs. Hell, with as small an area that Israel takes up, nuking Israel is going to take out parts of several Islamic countries.

Since the Dome of the Rock is built on top of Solomons Temple, neither side wants to do harm to that structure. That alone will not stop Muslims from taking over Israel. They can just construct another memorial to Islam on top of the rubble and never again have to worry about Jews or Christians having the desire to excavate the Temple beneath.

Robo, go back and read my posts. We are basically saying the same thing. Must you be in a continual spin mode?

[printer2]

Robo, go back and read my posts. We are basically saying the same thing. Must you be in a continual spin mode?

Spin mode.... which reminds me, got to go do more laundry.

[whec720]

Yeah I know. Just wanted to keep it short so I can get some other things done today.

Been a while for me to be here,back at ARP. How did your bathroom go? You done yet?

[JRINJAX]

Iran will not use a nuke even if it had it. Basically it wants to use it as leverage and as a shield. 'Don't invade my country otherwise I will blow up Israel.' If it actually did use it then there would be no deterrence from everyone turning Iran into a parking lot.

The same was said during WW2 about Hitler not being willing to exterminate the Jews, "Chambelain style".

I think that Iran will use it's first two nukes on Israel and Washinton, "Pearl Harbor" style. They feel they will get plenty of help once the US is on the ropes after the loss of Washington.

[printer2]

Been a while for me to be here,back at ARP. How did your bathroom go? You done yet?

95% of it. Have to redo the caulking, used one that was color matched to the grout but it came out pastie and did not want to stick to areas. Picked up a different manufacturer's and have to strip the other out now. Aside for painting some trim work, and I want to replace the medicine cabinet shelves with oak, pretty much done.

[Tool-Slinger]

I think Iran is the only major shiite nation, all the rest being sunni, if I am not mistaken. At this point Iran is alone with one possible exception being syria. I would hope that the other nations would sit out any conflict. But as you point out, if isreal gets involved that is much less likely. Far better if we take them out than israel.

I guess we just have to trust it to obama/hillary and the UN,... that is why I am so pessimistic. I know she is over there trying to stir up support for some really heavy sanctions, may be more going on behind closed doors, but the UN has proven to be about useless in the past.

[printer2]

I think Iran is the only major shiite nation, all the rest being sunni, if I am not mistaken. At this point Iran is alone with one possible exception being syria. I would hope that the other nations would sit out any conflict. But as you point out, if isreal gets involved that is much less likely. Far better if we take them out than israel.

I guess we just have to trust it to obama/hillary and the UN,... that is why I am so pessimistic. I know she is over there trying to stir up support for some really heavy sanctions, may be more going on behind closed doors, but the UN has proven to be about useless in the past.

There is no love lost between Iran (shiite) and the surrounding nations. Iraq is a mixed bag because of the split population, Syria and Iran probably causes most of the state sponsored trouble in the region. Boy the Europeans sure made a mess when they divided up the world. Mind you borders have changed over time and many people have occupied the same space at one time or another, to put it politely the region is rich in history.

The surrounding governments would like a nice quiet existence, skimming money and making themselves rich. The general population think this sucks and they turn to the main power brokers in the region to help them oppose their governments. Iran, who sponsors HAMAS, Hizballah along with groups in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda who will support anyone as long as it move the population to a strict religious flavor.

It would be hard for any country to come out on top bombing Iran because it would be seen by the public in the area as a West backed aggression. That is why the UN stamp of approval is so important to get. It is the world taking action rather than the US, even though it would be the US doing the deed anyway. China is the holdout, they really do not care if the world goes to hell in a hand basket as long as it does not effect what happens in their borders.

[RoBoTeq]

Robo, go back and read my posts. We are basically saying the same thing. Must you be in a continual spin mode?
Ummm, most likely...probably...

[printer2]

Ummm, most likely...probably...

Oh great.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100214/us/politics_us_russia_arms_iran

[JRINJAX]

Oh great.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100214/us/politics_us_russia_arms_iran

The main reason that Russia has not sold Iran the new missle batteries is that if the US helps Israel on a strike against their Nuke sites it will be as embarrassing as the Syria reactor strike's failure of the Russian SAM system.

The US has enough Growlers/Prowlers to do an EA over all/most of Iran's SAM sites and Iran's airborne assets would not last but a few minutes into the attack. The Growler has lowband jamming that the SAM batteries use for trying to detect the semi-stealth bombers. Even with their testing on the Serb downed F117 the Russians still can't see the true-stealth F-22s and the B2Bs.

[printer2]

The main reason that Russia has not sold Iran the new missle batteries is that if the US helps Israel on a strike against their Nuke sites it will be as embarrassing as the Syria reactor strike's failure of the Russian SAM system.

The US has enough Growlers/Prowlers to do an EA over all/most of Iran's SAM sites and Iran's airborne assets would not last but a few minutes into the attack. The Growler has lowband jamming that the SAM batteries use for trying to detect the semi-stealth bombers. Even with their testing on the Serb downed F117 the Russians still can't see the true-stealth F-22s and the B2Bs.

The missiles would not stop the US but it would make it mighty tough for Israel. The US might be able to get through but it is not like you can sneak up on them. They know exactly where you are heading.

[RoBoTeq]

The missiles would not stop the US but it would make it mighty tough for Israel. The US might be able to get through but it is not like you can sneak up on them. They know exactly where you are heading.
Nobody is going to do a massive strike on Israel because Israel has nukes. What good would it do to win a war with Israel only to have your own country destroyed in turn by Israels' nukes?

[printer2]

Nobody is going to do a massive strike on Israel because Israel has nukes. What good would it do to win a war with Israel only to have your own country destroyed in turn by Israels' nukes?

The missile we are talking about are a defensive weapon. They make an effective shield against conventional aircraft, as far as I know Israel does not have any stealth aircraft to go up against them. Because of it Israel would think twice about blowing up the nuclear installations. Along with being buried that pretty much leaves one option.

[glennac]

You're worse then the leftist Commies who claim it is because the United States keeps manipulating countries like Iran and Iraq. At least they aren't being bigots about their stupid claims.

The culprits of Islamic aggressions are Muslims.....that's it. You can take your ignorant bigoted rants and shove them up the same butt hole that the leftists can shove their ignorant rants about the U.S. being responsible for Islamic terrorism. Refusing to put the blame squarely where it belongs just to promote your own personal bigotry toward a race of people is despicable. I am surprised you haven't found a way to blame Blacks for this. Then again, you will probably say that Blacks aren't intelligent enough.

You are full of BS robo. You yourself have admitted to me that you were aware of the Jewish terror gangs active in the 40's and 50's in the Holy Land like the Stern gang.

They assassinated British and UN officers and officials. The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel (the British HQ) in Jerusalem killing 96 British officers, officials and staff along with collapsing the hotel. They played fast and loose with the rules of warfare in there quest to retake the Holy Land. That started the whole mess and that is the truth. Deny it.

Now you call me a bigot because I don't support Israel like you do. Look who is talking. You don't leave a stone unturned to attack the RCC over past sins up to 2000 years ago which doesn't personally brother me but I had a couple of good buddies I served with in Nam from NYC and they were both squared away anti commies and were Catholic. I would never attack their religion based on ancient history. I don't go beyond my birth to bring up wrongdoings.

And what about all the good Catholic patriots on this forum? You are hitting them also. You call me a bigot. Maybe I was a little prejudiced in my younger days. I have a few Black friends from work (we don't talk politics). You all have a misconception of me. While I am a conservative and a right winger I am not prejudiced. Don't have any Jewish friends, don't know any.

What gives you the right to launch a personal attack on me robo. Calling me an ignorant bigot. I presume you know that is a violation of the rules. I have never called you any names in my memory and none recently that is for sure. So what gives here? Have I attacked you? Or you just feel that you have the right to attack me at will for no reason? I would like to know. Thank you very much

[JRINJAX]

The missiles would not stop the US but it would make it mighty tough for Israel. The US might be able to get through but it is not like you can sneak up on them. They know exactly where you are heading.They would only realize that an EA was happening but they would not be able to use their communications, sensors or radar guided ground defenses due to the ALQ-99/ALQ218[V]2 Jamming. If they could find enough willing pilots, they could send up air assets with little/no effect since they could not find the enemy and would be eliminated quickly. The EA platform due to it's antenna design/Incans would not be jamming itself and would be passing on it's clear picture of the battlefield target situational awareness to the other US aircraft over its Incans network communications.

BTW the EA-18G also carries the HARMs unlike the EA-6B Prowler that was unarmed.

[RoBoTeq]

You are full of BS robo. You yourself have admitted to me that you were aware of the Jewish terror gangs active in the 40's and 50's in the Holy Land like the Stern gang.

They assassinated British and UN officers and officials. The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel (the British HQ) in Jerusalem killing 96 British officers, officials and staff along with collapsing the hotel. They played fast and loose with the rules of warfare in there quest to retake the Holy Land. That started the whole mess and that is the truth. Deny it.

Now you call me a bigot because I don't support Israel like you do. Look who is talking. You don't leave a stone unturned to attack the RCC over past sins up to 2000 years ago which doesn't personally brother me but I had a couple of good buddies I served with in Nam from NYC and they were both squared away anti commies and were Catholic. I would never attack their religion based on ancient history. I don't go beyond my birth to bring up wrongdoings.

And what about all the good Catholic patriots on this forum? You are hitting them also. You call me a bigot. Maybe I was a little prejudiced in my younger days. I have a few Black friends from work (we don't talk politics). You all have a misconception of me. While I am a conservative and a right winger I am not prejudiced. Don't have any Jewish friends, don't know any.

What gives you the right to launch a personal attack on me robo. Calling me an ignorant bigot. I presume you know that is a violation of the rules. I have never called you any names in my memory and none recently that is for sure. So what gives here? Have I attacked you? Or you just feel that you have the right to attack me at will for no reason? I would like to know. Thank you very much

:troll2:BIG IT!:troll2:

[ga-hvac-tech]

They would only realize that an EA was happening but they would not be able to use their communications, sensors or radar guided ground defenses due to the ALQ-99/ALQ218[V]2 Jamming. If they could find enough willing pilots, they could send up air assets with little/no effect since they could not find the enemy and would be eliminated quickly. The EA platform due to it's antenna design/Incans would not be jamming itself and would be passing on it's clear picture of the battlefield target situational awareness to the other US aircraft over its Incans network communications.

BTW the EA-18G also carries the HARMs unlike the EA-6B Prowler that was unarmed.

Getting in a 'pissing match' with the USA is like signing one's death warrant... Just not a wise thing to do. By the time a weapons system is public knowledge, the USA already has a new one that works better.

I think the loudmouths in third world nations know this... they are trying to gain advantage through fear mongering. If the US citizens really knew how powerful we really are, they would not be afraid of anyone.

[RoBoTeq]

Hey the only reason we are in the quasi state of unofficial WWIII is Israel and its conduct and actions against the Palestinians including acts of terror in the 40s and 50s pissing off the Muslim world and contributing to the reawakening of radical Islam which has been dormant for at least 500 years or so. Like out to some horror movie. Thank you very much
Where in the world do you come up with Islamic nations have been dormant for 500 years? Do you have any clue what went on with the Ottoman Empire during WWI? The Ottoman Empire was not completely defeated until 1923. This is just 25 years before Palestine is turned into Israel by the British in 1948. Yes, the Israeli's were brutal toward the Palestinians after Palestinian uprisings. But Islam has not been dorment for long since it's inception in the 7th century. During lower aggressive times, Muslims have infiltrated countries world wide, waiting to rise again to take over more of the world.

How dare you blame anyone else for what Muslims are doing. That is just despicable. Especially to take sides with Muslims over the race that is responsible for the developement of Christianity and for producing Jesus Christ Himself.

[glennac]

Where in the world do you come up with Islamic nations have been dormant for 500 years? Do you have any clue what went on with the Ottoman Empire during WWI? The Ottoman Empire was not completely defeated until 1923. This is just 25 years before Palestine is turned into Israel by the British in 1948. Yes, the Israeli's were brutal toward the Palestinians after Palestinian uprisings. But Islam has not been dorment for long since it's inception in the 7th century. During lower aggressive times, Muslims have infiltrated countries world wide, waiting to rise again to take over more of the world.

How dare you blame anyone else for what Muslims are doing. That is just despicable. Especially to take sides with Muslims over the race that is responsible for the developement of Christianity and for producing Jesus Christ Himself.

I have never taken the Muslim side for anything. They are the destroyers of civilization and champions of slavery for all women and all men who aren't Muslim. I never blamed Israel for what the Muslims are doing but for awakening their radicalism again.

WWI was WWI it was not about the Muslims per say. Turkey was allied with the Axis Powers and fought against the British and were cruel and barbaric to British POWs and also committed genocide against the Armenians who were for the most part White. There was no jihad against the West by the Muslims in WWI.

After the Muslim Army was defeated at the gates of Vienna in 1683 by German and Austrian knights they have been relatively quite. So I should have said for 300 years instead of 500. Now at least we are debating the subject instead of slanderous name calling. Thank you very much.

[RoBoTeq]

I have never taken the Muslim side for anything. They are the destroyers of civilization and champions of slavery for all women and all men who aren't Muslim. I never blamed Israel for what the Muslims are doing but for awakening their radicalism again.

WWI was WWI it was not about the Muslims per say. Turkey was allied with the Axis Powers and fought against the British and were cruel and barbaric to British POWs and also committed genocide against the Armenians who were for the most part White. There was no jihad against the West by the Muslims in WWI.

After the Muslim Army was defeated at the gates of Vienna in 1683 by German and Austrian knights they have been relatively quite. So I should have said for 300 years instead of 500. Now at least we are debating the subject instead of slanderous name calling. Thank you very much.
During WWI, Germany befriended many Islamic factions to fight against the French and it's allies. Hitler was directly in cahoots with Muslims in WWII, even catering to the Muslims to stop exhiling Jews and to slaughter them;

1936 CE: Increased Jewish immigration into Judea was stimulated by the Nazis. Mufti Muhammad Husseini traveled to Berlin and convinced Hitler to murder Jews rather then exile them. The Holocaust is the result.

1939 CE: World War II. Six million Jews are slaughtered with Islamic assistance.

1941 CE: British and Russian forces invaded Iran and Reza Shah was forced to abdicate in favor of his son Mohammad Reza Shah in Iran.

1946 CE: Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria were granted independence from Britain and France.

1947 CE: Pakistan fought a civil war with India to form a state comprising Muslims.

1948 CE: State of Israel is created as a result of the Holocaust. Arab armies attack the new nation but are defeated.

[bootlen]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/31/world/charles-m-lichenstein-75-american-envoy-at-the-un.html?pagewanted=1

"Charles Lichenstein's provocative remarks came on Sept. 19, 1983, at a meeting of the United Nations committee overseeing relations with its host country.

"On Sept. 1, Soviet fighter jets shot down a Korean airliner that had strayed over Soviet territory, killing all 269 on board, including an American congressman.

"In response, the legislatures of New York and New Jersey voted to ban Soviet aircraft from landing in their states.

"The United States, which opposed the legislation, offered the Soviet Union landing rights at a military base so its foreign minister, Andrei A. Gromyko, could fly in for the General Assembly meeting.

"But the Soviets refused. When the United Nations committee met to review the situation, the Soviet delegate, Igor I. Yakovlev, said the ban on landing 'raises the question of whether the United Nations should be in the United States.'

"A furious Mr. Lichenstein replied that if member states felt 'they are not being treated with the hostly consideration that is their due,' they should consider 'removing themselves and this organization from the soil of the United States.'

" 'We will put no impediment in your way,' he continued, 'The members of the U.S. mission to the United Nations will be down at the dockside waving you a fond farewell as you sail off into the sunset.' "


Ya just gotta love a guy who'll tell 'em to eat cabbage.